In our society it has become a fashion to label anyone as "Gustakhay Rasool". The question is that a person who recites Kalima, accepts the prophet as "Rasool", how he can be termed as "Gustakhay Rasool". This is really unfair in the way that either those who label such a person of such a attribute are ignorants or the person himself who recites Kalima does not in fact knows the meaning of those words which he utters from mouth.How a person is qualified to be a "Gustakhay Rasool". (Please no discussion of "Khatmay Nubwat", that is not the question here).
patriot
Minister (2k+ posts)
A muslim can not be "Gustakhay Rasool".
It is just a label which mullahs give to a person who does not
think as they do.
A person who does not believe in fairy tales about prophets of God is labeled as gustakhay Rasool.
On the other hand those who believe in Quran as the final word of God,think
that people who say that the prophet of God married a six year old,are insulting both Prophet and God almighty.
It is just a label which mullahs give to a person who does not
think as they do.
A person who does not believe in fairy tales about prophets of God is labeled as gustakhay Rasool.
On the other hand those who believe in Quran as the final word of God,think
that people who say that the prophet of God married a six year old,are insulting both Prophet and God almighty.
I do not think that anyone who claims to be a muslims and really believes in quran can be a gustakhe rasool in sense of being deliberately disrespectful to the prophet. It is foolishness of anyone who claims to be a muslim yet calls any muslim by silly names. The quran does not allow this instead it tells us to be respectful towards each other.
In the sense that we are not bothered to study, understand and implement the message the prophet brought, we are all guilty to some extent, some more than others.
I think education can solve these problems but it will take time because it is a very time consuming exercise and very demanding process. Regardless we should remain hopeful and do whatever we can to change things for the better.
In the sense that we are not bothered to study, understand and implement the message the prophet brought, we are all guilty to some extent, some more than others.
I think education can solve these problems but it will take time because it is a very time consuming exercise and very demanding process. Regardless we should remain hopeful and do whatever we can to change things for the better.
@Patriot,
Dear, once again I commend your grasp of the post. Let us wait how
some one else just bombard the thread with lot of stuff: I am horrified to
know that people in my country just as a fashion label other as
"GR". Even if someone quote Quranic Aya which is against their own
creed, immediately they label such person as "GR". thanks.
Dear, once again I commend your grasp of the post. Let us wait how
some one else just bombard the thread with lot of stuff: I am horrified to
know that people in my country just as a fashion label other as
"GR". Even if someone quote Quranic Aya which is against their own
creed, immediately they label such person as "GR". thanks.
dukelondon
Senator (1k+ posts)
Thanks for shedding light on a very important topic that is haunting Islam atleast in Pakistan. The easiest way to kill someone is to label them "Gustaakh-e-Rasool" and then get them killed.
karachiwala
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
who will be the judge here where people are waiting with open knives against the ulema???
SaadKnight
Senator (1k+ posts)
Mujhay bara afsos hota jab hai yeh khayalat parh kar mere dil mein khayal aata hai k, Qayamat Nazdeek hai aur hum logon ka iman kamzor.
swing
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
@baba deena
baat lambi hai agar tou wakee samjna chhatay hoo tou kisi real ALIM k pass jao aur agar sirf mayree tarha batay kernay ka shooq hai tou phir muj jaisay INTERNET ALIM b kafee lambi behas ker saktay hain iss baat per .
(agar tumhara BAAP tum say kahay kay bayta yeh yeh kaam ker do tou tum kahoo ABU GEE bayta tou mai app ka hee hon magar mai yeh yeh KAAM nahe karo ga tou kia hayal hai k uss surat mai tum nay koee GUSTAHI kee? and remember k woh still tumhara abu hee hai aur tum uss ko still father he mano gayy so kia haya hai yah koe gustahi ka pehloo hai k nahe?)
GUSTAHI sirf yeh nahe hai k hum NAUZ BILLAH unn ki shan k hillaf koe ALFAAZ keH dey GUSTAHI yeh b hai k unho nay apni ummat k leye jo piaghamaat deye hain woh hum pora karay warna tou mayray bhai ALLAH kay rasool ki gustahi kernay wala tou mayrya hayal say daira islam say hee bahir hoo jata hai aur jo daira islam say bahir hoo jaye usay gustaah nahe kehtay kuch aur kehtay hain)
(SO according to my statement just think about it are we gustahay rasool?)
baat lambi hai agar tou wakee samjna chhatay hoo tou kisi real ALIM k pass jao aur agar sirf mayree tarha batay kernay ka shooq hai tou phir muj jaisay INTERNET ALIM b kafee lambi behas ker saktay hain iss baat per .
(agar tumhara BAAP tum say kahay kay bayta yeh yeh kaam ker do tou tum kahoo ABU GEE bayta tou mai app ka hee hon magar mai yeh yeh KAAM nahe karo ga tou kia hayal hai k uss surat mai tum nay koee GUSTAHI kee? and remember k woh still tumhara abu hee hai aur tum uss ko still father he mano gayy so kia haya hai yah koe gustahi ka pehloo hai k nahe?)
GUSTAHI sirf yeh nahe hai k hum NAUZ BILLAH unn ki shan k hillaf koe ALFAAZ keH dey GUSTAHI yeh b hai k unho nay apni ummat k leye jo piaghamaat deye hain woh hum pora karay warna tou mayray bhai ALLAH kay rasool ki gustahi kernay wala tou mayrya hayal say daira islam say hee bahir hoo jata hai aur jo daira islam say bahir hoo jaye usay gustaah nahe kehtay kuch aur kehtay hain)
(SO according to my statement just think about it are we gustahay rasool?)
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Malik495
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Forum men kuch liberal kisam k log jo khud ko sirf iss liye badkismat kahty hen k wo kisi musalmaan k ghar paida ho gaye lakin shariah k kisi bhi pahlu se ittefaq nahi kartay.. chahay wo Toheen-e-risaalat ho ya hijab ya hudood k mutalik koi shiq ho.. usay jiddat pasandiyat aur made in drawing room walay islam men dhaalnay ki sar tor koshish krtay hen.. toheen-e-risaalat ka kanoon hi in logon k liye sab se bara debatable issue hay.. kion k hamaray mulk men sirf yehi kanoon to ghalat istemal hota hay aur to jasay sab kanoon completely insaaf k mutabik laago hoty hen.. hamaray mulk pakistan men shayad hi koi aisa kanoon ho jo 100% sahi tor pe laago hota ho chahay wo murder rape chori ransom property k jhagray, violance, aur jo bhi jurm iss dais men hain un sab k laws kia bilkul 100% durust use hoty hen? mera jawab 100% nafi men hy k nahi .. Khuda ki kasam aaj bhi pakistani jailon men hazaron bay gunah apnay na kiye jurm ki saza bhugat rahay hain..lakin koi moderate koi drawing room aalim in qawaneen par aur iss issue pr likhna ya ahtajaj krna nahi chahta kion inn se un k rooh ki taskeen nahi hoti.. aa jaa kr in logon ko sirf toheen-e-risalat aur doosray islami laws pr tanqeed krni aati hay aur kuch nahi..
baba deena ji iss mulk men islam aur ulema pr tanqeed k ilawa aur buhat se issues hain jinhain condemn krnay ka hr kisi ko haq haasil hay lakin akhir islam ko hi nuqta-e-tanqeed kion banaya jaata hay....?
baba deena ji iss mulk men islam aur ulema pr tanqeed k ilawa aur buhat se issues hain jinhain condemn krnay ka hr kisi ko haq haasil hay lakin akhir islam ko hi nuqta-e-tanqeed kion banaya jaata hay....?
karachiwala
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Jazakallah very well said. I agree with you that people are treating this as if this is the only thing wrong with the society. I am quite amazed that people who are trying to be judge have may be an iota of knowledge but would like to discuss the universe.
mt_dilber
MPA (400+ posts)
Hamm sabb gustakhe rasool ke murtaqib hain....apne apne garebaan main jhankain to pata chalay........Jis ummat kay liye AAP (SAWW) ne intni museebatain uthain, itna kuch qurbaan kiya...ajj wo ummat deen ko taraqi ki rah main rukawat samajhti hai......apnay Nabi (saww) ki batai hui baton kay bajay ''International Media'' kay tabsaron per ziada bharosa karti hai.........iss tarha.....hamm sabb ghustakh hain........oh God forgive us. :(
Why r u confusing the thread or has confused the thread: you mean that:
a) everyone who does not act on the message/messages of Allah given by
Rasool is G="GR",
Whereas read my post again what I have asked? In a society particularly like Pakistan
a person is being declared GR if:
a) says that Rasool is Bashar;
b) says that he does not know unseen;
c) quotes Alamnashra's one verse.
d) objects to certain poetry like "bar do jooli meri, type"
Mine question still is there, that a Kalma reciter, how he can
be a GR? Please bear in mind that your explanation takes a person
near to "Zalim" as per Quran. not "Gustakh".
swing
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
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Do not be personal. Give you arguments, if you have any, in a logical way.
Knowledge Seeker
Senator (1k+ posts)
Salman Rushdie and anyone who follows his footsteps regardless of his claim of being Kalma Reciter.
Salman Rushdie belongs to "in our society(Pakistan)". Moreover read this:
""God, Satan, Paradise, and Hell all vanished one day in my fifteenth year, when I quite abruptly lost my faith
. [...]and afterwards, to prove my new-found atheism, I bought myself a rather tasteless ham sandwich,
and so partook for the first time of the forbidden flesh of the swine. No thunderbolt arrived to strike
me down. [...] From that day to this I have thought of myself as a wholly secular person."
http://atheism.about.com/library/quotes/bl_q_SRushdie.htm
Do you have any clue, what is about my post?
Knowledge Seeker
Senator (1k+ posts)
Did I mention only Salman Rushdie in my post?? Let me repeat my complete post so this time you could not ignore the remaining part. " Salman Rushdie and anyone who follows his footsteps regardless of his claim of being Kalma Reciter.". Now think about it and let me know if you still don't know the existence of those type of people in our society(Pakistan)??? Next time don't be in hurry and concentrate on complete sentence before replying to any post.
Do you believe that Salman Rushdi is not Gustakh e Rasul (pbuh)?
Don't show your frustration as it is too early for you to behave like this.
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@mhwaqar
Dear mhwaqar, I hope you do not belong to any particular firqa but in that case you should have exposed all of them alike. Because I can assure you all of them are very similar.
However if you belong to any sect then I advise you to read about mullahs of your own sects and you will get the picture.
It is for this reason you are better off sticking to the original sources of islam and not run after people because people do make mistakes.
I do not take anyone's any mistake as gustaakhi because I do not know their motivation or purpose. A gustaakh can only be the one who does any gustaakhi and he means it.
I don't like what sectarian mullahs do but I do not believe they mean any disrespect to Allah and rasool. I take them as silly people who lack knowledge regarding things here and there yet condemn others and cause unnecessary disputes and troubles in ummah.
regards and all the best.
Dear mhwaqar, I hope you do not belong to any particular firqa but in that case you should have exposed all of them alike. Because I can assure you all of them are very similar.
However if you belong to any sect then I advise you to read about mullahs of your own sects and you will get the picture.
It is for this reason you are better off sticking to the original sources of islam and not run after people because people do make mistakes.
I do not take anyone's any mistake as gustaakhi because I do not know their motivation or purpose. A gustaakh can only be the one who does any gustaakhi and he means it.
I don't like what sectarian mullahs do but I do not believe they mean any disrespect to Allah and rasool. I take them as silly people who lack knowledge regarding things here and there yet condemn others and cause unnecessary disputes and troubles in ummah.
regards and all the best.
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Abdul Allah
Minister (2k+ posts)
Munafikeen -e- Maka were GR or not?
I would say that if anyone has these type of differences, he cannot be called a Gustakh... these differences are there for centuries and are yet to be solved and will go on for centuries... ppl read and come to a conclusion, if someone agrees with them its good let them be... if some one reaches a different conclusion after a research then too its fine... these differences have to be resolved with intellect not by calling names like GR to anyone... even ulemas of same sects have different opinions about certain issues... I guess muslims shall be more open minded....
