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naeem498

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Senior-level Ukrainian officers have been studying in the US state of Kansas, thousands of miles from Russia's invasion and the battlefields of Donbas.

Outside the Fort Leavenworth army base, wheat fields are starting to turn. Wide, open prairie land, with softly rolling hills, stretches for miles, and the sky is huge.

This quintessentially Kansas landscape has become the backdrop for generations of international soldiers, who head to the US base to receive strategic training.
Ukraine's deputy interior minister, Anton Herashchenko, has remarked on its similarities to the landscape of Donbas, in the country's heavily-contested east.

Pentagon spokesman John Kirby says the same: "That part of Ukraine is a bit like Kansas, so it's a little bit flatter, it's a little bit more open," he told media during a press briefing.

Fort Leavenworth has proved to be a valuable training ground for dozens of Ukrainian soldiers over the past several decades, who spend a year studying at the base's US Army Command and General Staff College.

Today, experts say, the knowledge they gain there is helping Ukrainians mount a fierce defence of their country - in part because of the contrast between the flexibility of American military coursework and the rigid Soviet-style education given to Russian soldiers.

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Kansas fields (right) share similarities with the Donbas region terrain in Ukraine
Inside classrooms, chairs are arranged neatly, and look like the kind one would find on campuses across the country, but unlike elsewhere, an electronic sign, a "secure light", can sometimes be seen blinking. It is marked in bold letters ,"secure" and "non-secure".

When information is classified, a light blinks on, with a red background, reminding people that the information can be shared only with those who have clearance.

As of today, more than 8,000 international officers have trained at the base in Kansas, including some of Ukraine's top generals. They include Oleksiy Nozdrachov, the Ukrainian Armed Forces' chief of coordination centre in Kyiv, and Mykhailo Vitaliyovych Zabrodskyi, a military commander who has fought in Donbas.

For Ukrainian students at Leavenworth, lessons are being put into practice back home. A Ukrainian student, a lieutenant colonel, left during the spring semester to join the war.
"He's in the fight," said Jim Fain, the director of the International Military Student Division at the college. "He's actually been promoted."

Ukrainian officers started coming to Fort Leavenworth in the early 1990s, after their nation became independent. Back then, they studied alongside Russian officers. Then, in 1999, the Russians stopped showing up, about the same time that Hungary, Poland and the Czech Republic joined Nato.


Mr Fain attributes Russia's decision not to send soldiers to Leavenworth to increasing tensions over Nato.

This year, the programme for international students has a $7m budget (£5.8m). The officers are chosen by their home countries. About half are funded by their home government, and the others are supported by grants provided by the US State Department to foreign governments.

Since the start of the war in Ukraine, international training for the Ukrainian troops has been stepped up. Some of them have gone to the UK for driving lessons for armoured vehicles. Others are in Poland, learning how operate weapons systems provided by the US. But their numbers at Leavenworth have remained consistent with years in the past, Mr Fain said.

The training they receive at Fort Leavenworth focuses on war theory, ethics and other aspects of the modern military, in sharp contrast to the Soviet-style training that has been used in Russia, according to experts.

"Soviet education was all about subordination, and it discouraged independent thinking," said Vitaly Chernetsky, a professor at the University of Kansas in Lawrence. "At Leavenworth, the emphasis is on an analytical approach. It creates military specialists who are true intellectuals".

Professors at Leavenworth describe the Soviet model of military training as rigid and authoritarian. One of them, Mahir Ibrahimov, 66, knows first-hand: He studied at a Soviet military school in the 1970s.

Soviet instructors "would stand next to you until you learned," he said - and if you didn't, "they would just hit the desk," he added, making a hard, swiping motion with his arm. "Sometimes you would be hit".

Man standing in uniform outside


Lauri Teppo is at Fort Leavenworth all the way from Estonia.Ukraine faces a war today in which its defence is outnumbered and outgunned - Russian forces are said to be ten times larger in cities in the Donbas, where heavy fighting continues for control of the region.

But the Ukrainans' advantage is that they can think independently on the battlefield, according to Matt Hofmann, a graduate of the Leavenworth programme who worked with Ukrainian officers in Afghanistan.

"The Russians are still trying to fight a linear battle with tanks on line, and sticking very much to their doctrine," he said. "They can't handle the chaos that the Ukrainians are sending out".

 
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disgusted

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
The US is going to fight Russia till the last blood of Ukranian soldiers. Boots on ground in previous wars were both problematic and expensive. Who is going to ask how many died?
 

samkhan

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
کراۓ کی فوج ہے. ڈالر دے کر آپ انہیں ہائر کر سکتے ہیں
 

Rocky Khurasani

Senator (1k+ posts)
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Senior-level Ukrainian officers have been studying in the US state of Kansas, thousands of miles from Russia's invasion and the battlefields of Donbas.

Outside the Fort Leavenworth army base, wheat fields are starting to turn. Wide, open prairie land, with softly rolling hills, stretches for miles, and the sky is huge.

This quintessentially Kansas landscape has become the backdrop for generations of international soldiers, who head to the US base to receive strategic training.
Ukraine's deputy interior minister, Anton Herashchenko, has remarked on its similarities to the landscape of Donbas, in the country's heavily-contested east.

Pentagon spokesman John Kirby says the same: "That part of Ukraine is a bit like Kansas, so it's a little bit flatter, it's a little bit more open," he told media during a press briefing.

Fort Leavenworth has proved to be a valuable training ground for dozens of Ukrainian soldiers over the past several decades, who spend a year studying at the base's US Army Command and General Staff College.

Today, experts say, the knowledge they gain there is helping Ukrainians mount a fierce defence of their country - in part because of the contrast between the flexibility of American military coursework and the rigid Soviet-style education given to Russian soldiers.

Photo of fields


Kansas fields (right) share similarities with the Donbas region terrain in Ukraine
Inside classrooms, chairs are arranged neatly, and look like the kind one would find on campuses across the country, but unlike elsewhere, an electronic sign, a "secure light", can sometimes be seen blinking. It is marked in bold letters ,"secure" and "non-secure".

When information is classified, a light blinks on, with a red background, reminding people that the information can be shared only with those who have clearance.

As of today, more than 8,000 international officers have trained at the base in Kansas, including some of Ukraine's top generals. They include Oleksiy Nozdrachov, the Ukrainian Armed Forces' chief of coordination centre in Kyiv, and Mykhailo Vitaliyovych Zabrodskyi, a military commander who has fought in Donbas.

For Ukrainian students at Leavenworth, lessons are being put into practice back home. A Ukrainian student, a lieutenant colonel, left during the spring semester to join the war.
"He's in the fight," said Jim Fain, the director of the International Military Student Division at the college. "He's actually been promoted."

Ukrainian officers started coming to Fort Leavenworth in the early 1990s, after their nation became independent. Back then, they studied alongside Russian officers. Then, in 1999, the Russians stopped showing up, about the same time that Hungary, Poland and the Czech Republic joined Nato.


Mr Fain attributes Russia's decision not to send soldiers to Leavenworth to increasing tensions over Nato.

This year, the programme for international students has a $7m budget (£5.8m). The officers are chosen by their home countries. About half are funded by their home government, and the others are supported by grants provided by the US State Department to foreign governments.

Since the start of the war in Ukraine, international training for the Ukrainian troops has been stepped up. Some of them have gone to the UK for driving lessons for armoured vehicles. Others are in Poland, learning how operate weapons systems provided by the US. But their numbers at Leavenworth have remained consistent with years in the past, Mr Fain said.

The training they receive at Fort Leavenworth focuses on war theory, ethics and other aspects of the modern military, in sharp contrast to the Soviet-style training that has been used in Russia, according to experts.

"Soviet education was all about subordination, and it discouraged independent thinking," said Vitaly Chernetsky, a professor at the University of Kansas in Lawrence. "At Leavenworth, the emphasis is on an analytical approach. It creates military specialists who are true intellectuals".

Professors at Leavenworth describe the Soviet model of military training as rigid and authoritarian. One of them, Mahir Ibrahimov, 66, knows first-hand: He studied at a Soviet military school in the 1970s.

Soviet instructors "would stand next to you until you learned," he said - and if you didn't, "they would just hit the desk," he added, making a hard, swiping motion with his arm. "Sometimes you would be hit".

Man standing in uniform outside


Lauri Teppo is at Fort Leavenworth all the way from Estonia.Ukraine faces a war today in which its defence is outnumbered and outgunned - Russian forces are said to be ten times larger in cities in the Donbas, where heavy fighting continues for control of the region.

But the Ukrainans' advantage is that they can think independently on the battlefield, according to Matt Hofmann, a graduate of the Leavenworth programme who worked with Ukrainian officers in Afghanistan.

"The Russians are still trying to fight a linear battle with tanks on line, and sticking very much to their doctrine," he said. "They can't handle the chaos that the Ukrainians are sending out".

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Yaar baqi cheezain choro, laiken hamian yeh Angreezon ke samne hath bandh ke khare hone ke kiya bemari hai. Kia bande ke puttar ban ke confidence ke saath nahin khare ho sakte. Woh Gora bhi tou pose kar raha hai. Pakistani uss ke samne kisi primary school ka bacha lag raha hai.
Ghulam ibn Ghulam ibn Ghulam.
 
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Rocky Khurasani

Senator (1k+ posts)
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Hamian yeh Angreezon ke samne hath bandh ke khare hone ke kiya bemari hai. Kia bande ke puttar ban ke confidence ke saath nahin khare ho sakte. Yeah Gora foji Estonia ka hai, aur yeah aik chota sa mulk hai europe ka, nuclear power ka tou soocho he na, usse dekho aur hamare jawan ko check karo. Pakistani uss ke samne kisi primary school ka bacha lag raha hai.
Ghulam ibn Ghulam ibn Ghulam.

Just listen to the words of this wise man and you might have your answer:


 

Londoner/Lahori

Minister (2k+ posts)
Under two martial laws in the past, Pakistan has participated in American wars in Afghanistan, before November 29th , there will be another full on martial law in Pakistan, and Pakistan will participate in Ukrain, boots on the ground, now we know the reason behind regime change.
 

Rocky Khurasani

Senator (1k+ posts)
Spot on!

Humari Foj, pakistani awam k ilawa har Kissi k saamnay haath bandh k hi kharri hoti ha. Inn beghairato ko sirif apni awam pe hi badmashi karni aati hai
You are right, but this also applies to other Pakistanis too. just lack of confidence. However, we are far better than Hindus. Woh tou lait jate hain, just because keh unn ka rang gora hai.
 

Nazimshah

Senator (1k+ posts)
You are right, but this also applies to other Pakistanis too. just lack of confidence. However, we are far better than Hindus. Woh tou lait jate hain, just because keh unn ka rang gora hai.
Hindus people full of superiority complex and will go to lowest level to be accepted by white. But at the other their government showing some attitude and cleverly hide the ugly site of India. But in Pakistan people have attitude and spine to stand up but the corrupt politicians, judges and army will bow down to the master.
 

Rocky Khurasani

Senator (1k+ posts)
Hindus people full of superiority complex and will go to lowest level to be accepted by white. But at the other their government showing some attitude and cleverly hide the ugly site of India. But in Pakistan people have attitude and spine to stand up but the corrupt politicians, judges and army will bow down to the master.
I imagine you wanted to say, "Inferiority complex"..
 

zain786

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
پُتر ایہو جیاں پوسٹاں نہ شئیر کرو عوام ایناں کُنجراں تے تپی بیٹھی اے
 

Kavalier

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
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They are all the same, these guys are absolutely obsessed with their masters and not from today, it goes back to the Britsih Raaj and afterwards, they Colonial masters created a country for serving their interests in this region. Captured its FOUJ who was their servant from day 1, in fact the first couple of chiefs were even British who made sure that the slave mentality is engraved firmly.
I mean look at Kiyani and that bastard Pasha, you can see from Pasha's face how awed he is from his masters whom he served for so many years. Just check his level that for Raymond Davis, he sit himself in the court to get the decision of their liking, he went himself to the village of the boys murdered and himself brought all relatives within hours t make the deal. This is slavery of the highest level and what he got in return, a minor position in a think tank, not that he is too smart, but to get all the sensitive information about Pakistan out of him. TRAITORS of the highest level.
 

Kavalier

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Hindus people full of superiority complex and will go to lowest level to be accepted by white. But at the other their government showing some attitude and cleverly hide the ugly site of India. But in Pakistan people have attitude and spine to stand up but the corrupt politicians, judges and army will bow down to the master.

Come on, it is totally the opposite. Hindus are all over the world, mostly doing good jobs and are also in leading positions, though famous are only the tech companies like google, yahoo etc. On the other hand, Paksitanis are fully awed by GORAS, very few getting up the hierarchy and starting from our highest official till the taxi drivers, all are in complex. I have witnessed it myself many a time.
 

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