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PkRevolution

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
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Dan Qayyum, Editor PKKH


I remember meeting a young Pakistan Army captain early last year in Rawalpindi as he recovered from bullet wounds to his thigh. He was shot at during close combat while clearing a small town in South Waziristan. The man who opened fire on this soldier from close range may have represented the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan, but the soldier had no doubts on who he held responsible.
‘We are very clear on who the real enemy is’, he told me. ‘Its the Americans in Afghanistan’.


The above assesment, blunt as it may be, echoes the sentiments of not just the man on the street but those in khaki too.
Pakistan has lost over 3000 soldiers, paramilitary forces and intelligence officials in combat and in targetted bombings since the occupation of Afghanistan began a decade ago. This is aside from over 30,000 civilian deaths resulting from terrorist acts in the last ten years, and a further 2,000 civilian deaths in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and FATA resulting from the CIA’s drone programme.


Last friday two suicide bombers blew themselves up near a paramilitary academy in a town called Shabqadar, near Mohmand Agency in the tribal areas. Nearly 90 paramilitary recruits lost their lives in the attack that was claimed by the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan as revenge for the US raid that reportedly killed Osama Bin Laden earlier this month in Abbotabad.


The US may have got rid of its old bogey in Bin Laden, but it is Pakistan and Pakistanis that will bear the brunt of the anger of Takfeeri terrorists such as the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan.


‘We know their supply lines come through Afghanistan. We know how we’ve been betrayed in the past by them (Americans) and still today’, said the Captain in reference to the US vacating its checkposts in Afghanistan’s Paktika province on the eve of Pakistan launching its military operation against the TTP in South Waziristan in October 2009. Paktika borders South Waziristan on one side, and the US vacating its posts provided an escape route for senior TTP leadership as Pakistani forces closed in from the other three sides.




Ofcourse this isn’t the only incident which confirms the belief within Pakistan’s armed forces that the time has come to stand up to the US. The killing of three Pakistani soldiers last year by a US gunship helicopter which resulted in Pakistan blocking NATO’s supply lines, the 6 week standoff over CIA contractor Raymond Davis’s arrest in Lahore this year, as well as the unilateral raid to kill Osama Bin Laden in which the US used stealth helicopters to illegally enter Pakistani territory while American F-18 jets stood by for possible military confrontation with the Pakistan Air Force, have forced Pakistan’s military planners to publicly call for formally ending the cooperation with the US in the ‘war on terror’.
Far from being a knee-jerk response, this appears to be a calculated shift in Pakistan’s military planning – one which sees the American presence in Afghanistan as the major cause for Pakistan’s deteriorating security situation as well as economic meltdown.

The US is increasingly seen within Pakistan as a bigger threat than Pakistan’s arch-rival India. Pakistan’s Air Chief said recently that the country had never felt the need to keep its radars on the western border in a heightened state of alert – as they are on the eastern border – until the May 1st raid by US special forces. Orders to engage have now been issued to PAF if there is a repeat.

The problem for Pakistan’s military isn’t just the US response to its tactical policy shift – but also the opposition from certain political figures and government officials. These officials are in power thanks to intense negotiations carried out by representatives of the American and British governments with ex President Parvez Musharraf – allowing some of the most corrupt and incompetent figures in Pakistan’s political history to come to power.


The ‘aid’ myth


Then there’s the myth of ‘billions of dollars of aid’, without which we’re told Pakistan cannot survive. The figure most commonly thrown around is around the 20 billion mark – roughly one third of the economic losses Pakistan has taken in the last decade thanks to its partnership with US in occupying Afghanistan.
To put this figure into perspective, Pakistan has suffered approximately $60 billion in economic, human losses, structural damages to roads and bridges, deployed more than 147,800 troops conducting combat operations in the tribal areas along the Afghan border. The armed forces have lost more than 3,200 soldiers, with another 6,400 injured. They sustain an average of 10 casualties each day. Added to this are the approximately 30,000 Pakistani civilians killed by suicide bombers and terrorism.


A big chunk of that ‘20 billion’ is the $7.5 billion Kerry-Lugar bill, which is meant to provide $1.5 billion a year for 5 years. It is this particular legislation which is being used to bash Pakistan with, by the US media commentators and political figures.


A major part of this $7.5 billion figure was to be spent on expanding US presence in Pakistan, increasing the number of staffers to over a thousand, paying their salaries and housing them, construction of embassies and consulates, and paying security contractors such as Raymond Davis who was found not only guilty of killing two Pakistani citizens but in contact with a number of banned terrorist organisations that the CIA is suspected of supporting in Pakistan. Even then, the total net spend under this legislation almost two years after it was announced, is barely over $200m – a cheap price to pay for the political mileage Americans have been able to extract from the ‘announcement’ of this package two years ago – with US political figures and media mouthing off about the ‘aid’ demanding that the Obama administration cuts all aid to Pakistan since Osama Bin Laden was allegedly being protected by the Pakistani state.
Winds of change are blowing in Rawalpindi.


On Friday, the head of Pakistan’s premier Intelligence Agency, the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) Ahmed Shuja Pasha addressed the parliament. The ISI which has already halted intelligence sharing with the CIA, quite rightly took the lion’s share of the blame for the undetected US raid that killed Osama Bin Laden in Abbotabad. While the briefing by Pasha was designed to apologize for the intelligence lapse that led to the US raid, it carried a strong message both for the political elite of this country as well as for the Americans.


“We know the names and faces of those in our midst who are on the payroll of the CIA. We have all the details and they can consider themselves warned”, Pasha is reported to have told parliamentarians during the marathon session.
“The fear that we cannot live without America has taken away our self respect. Are we to live in humiliation out of the US fear forever?”, he thundered amid applause and thumping of desks.


Responding to statements emanating from New Delhi that India can also carry out strikes inside Pakistan, Gen Pasha said any attack from the east would invite a befitting response.


He said a contingency plan was in place and targets inside India had already been identified. “We have also carried out rehearsal for it,” he told the joint session.
“We are at a point in our history,” he said, according to two parliamentarians, “where we have to decide whether to stand up to America now or have [following] generations come to deride us.”


Pakistan’s citizens and its armed forces seem to be on the same page with regards to the future direction Pakistan should take with its relations with US. The ball is now firmly in the court of Pakistan’s lawmakers and corrupt political elite.

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M Ali Khan

Minister (2k+ posts)
The PKKH boys are all flashy with their youthful outlook, edgy graphics, posh accents, and nice suits and all but they are really living in a world of denial and delusion. I dont take PKKH seriously anymore (just like that joker Zaid Hamid and stooge Ahmed Quraishi no matter how much they come on leftist conspiracy central channel called Russia Today RT) because they really mess up their facts and conveniently ignore Pakistan's real enemy: the one that hides in Aabpara that cannot even control its own lower ranked officers!

Oh bhai meray, ISI is as much responsible for this mess (by supporting and protecting various Taliban and AlQaeda leaders as well as stopping any legal action from taking place against known terror captives and quietly releasing them) as America is.

The fact that they mention Afghanistan helping out TTP is obvious because the Afghan Taliban (or 'good Taliban) and TTP ('bad taliban') are ALLIES AND FRIENDS in this chaotic war. Both the Afghan Taliban and TTP rely on each other for intelligence, material support, shelter, weapons, militiamen, tactics, etc. Difference is Afghan Taliban focus on Afghanistan while the mostly local TTP focus on Pakistan.

Both these factions have killed at least 100,000 people (Afghans and Pakistanis) as a result of their raids, attacks, bombings and what not. So its obvious that while USA is not to be trusted, Pakistan is NOT fighting against these remnants of ISI's failed 'strategic depth' doctrine that has ruined two countries since 1990s.

Nateeja? Humari zillat poori dunya mein!
 

PkRevolution

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
After Pasha ISI Chief's speech in Parliament there is no need any more to go deep in such discussions. TTP is supported by Raw, Mosad and CIA this is fact. After caught of Raymond Davis it is confirmed.

All Pakistani brothers understand the need of time and stand unite.
 
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sysman8

Councller (250+ posts)
no no!! brothers are busy to fight with each other on languages, qaumiats and political parties.
 

Imranpak

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Pakistan's enemies are both internal and external who support the Zionists and kill their own people for $$$$$! We can't label an entire group as being traitors, this is the difficult part that we have to seperate individuals!
 

usm100

Minister (2k+ posts)
Hahaha you want to believe these blood suckers? For them the talibans were an asset. Same like all the other "assets" in pakistan. They gave these groups our hard earned money. And now they are killing us. Even right now they are telling us Haqani network is our "asset" and i am sure haqanis will ditch them once they get in power.
Come on get rid of the mess created by these suckers. To heck with the army and to heck with there "assets".
Lets beat there arses so they get into senses. Ok if 3000 army guys died. Was there an inquiry to why we got into a mess where 3000 army guys were killed. Why there was no written agreements. If two people make commitment they do it in writing and we are talking about countries. This is the mess of army and no one else. And they should take the heat. Offcourse the enemies will take advantage. But unless you admit your faults and promise of not repeating them then we will always be messed up.
After Pasha ISI Chief's speech in Parliament there is no need any more to go deep in such discussions. TTP is supported by Raw, Mosad and CIA this is fact. After caught of Raymond Davis it is confirmed.

All Pakistani brothers understand the need of time and stand unite.
 

usm100

Minister (2k+ posts)
Nation will be united if we know the truth and the army does not trust its own country man. But yes they do trust americans like our brave general was talking to his mother the american voicroy. To heck with this crap situation. The only way the country will be united is when truth comes infront of us.
the whole nation is unite but not the leadership who fear their billions and assets will be lost.
 

usm100

Minister (2k+ posts)
Brothers are not busy in fights. we have been thrown into fights. every one is taking advantage of this nation and we are sleeping. Things can get better only if we accept the faults and do not repeat them.

no no!! brothers are busy to fight with each other on languages, qaumiats and political parties.
 

jahanzaibi

Senator (1k+ posts)
First why they are the enemies of Pakistan.. ?? what agenda they have it is very clear that they are the enemies of Islam and they are attacking two
most valuable nations of Islam.

1- Afghanistan. because of mujahadeen
2-Pakistan because of atomic power + Mujahadeen

A very simple question ..

If there are two states one Muslim and other Non-Muslim.
what should be the role of Muslim state in the light of Muhammad (SAW) and Sahaba (R.A) actions
 

PkRevolution

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Hahaha you want to believe these blood suckers? For them the talibans were an asset. Same like all the other "assets" in pakistan. They gave these groups our hard earned money. And now they are killing us. Even right now they are telling us Haqani network is our "asset" and i am sure haqanis will ditch them once they get in power.
Come on get rid of the mess created by these suckers. To heck with the army and to heck with there "assets".
Lets beat there arses so they get into senses. Ok if 3000 army guys died. Was there an inquiry to why we got into a mess where 3000 army guys were killed. Why there was no written agreements. If two people make commitment they do it in writing and we are talking about countries. This is the mess of army and no one else. And they should take the heat. Offcourse the enemies will take advantage. But unless you admit your faults and promise of not repeating them then we will always be messed up.

Do not try to divide nation in this critical time. Save your critics for later when storm is over. Pakistan Army needs us now and we will not leave them alone.

Sure many questions are open and must be answered but at proper time.

Pakistans enemies want exactly now to push pakistani nation against their own Army and ISI. We will fail all such attempts.
 

usm100

Minister (2k+ posts)
If we will not make the changes needed today then you think pakistan will be there tomorow? All the world is asking the same questions. Look at the world.. look at there leaders what they are asking. See the pressure mounting on us. You think we can take that pressure with out changing the attitude of army. NO WAY. They are still trying to play with the nation as well as the world.
Clean your house as soon as you can , make the nation understand what happened and let us know what will happen to avoid all such rubbish in the future. Thats when the nation will get united. NO OTHER WAY . DID the army even appologize for there behaviour? Did they put musharaf accountable for all the agreements he made with america?
Why not? cause they are holy cow? Why cant the general be accountable? We have to make this change in pakistan. WHO EVER MAKES MISTAKE THE NATION WANTS THEM TO PAY. thats it and thats the only way to move forward. And trust me army does not need us, they need the bloody dollars.
Do not try to divide nation in this critical time. Save your critics for later when storm is over. Pakistan Army needs us now and we will not leave them alone.

Sure many questions are open and must be answered but at proper time.

Pakistans enemies want exactly now to push pakistani nation against their own Army and ISI. We will fail all such attempts.
 

usm100

Minister (2k+ posts)
Few questions for you to make your story more elaborate.
1- The enemies of islam created mujahideen by themself. Gave them billions of dollars to get powerful, gave them military hardware. So i guess the Enemies of islam are crazy sick people who are supporting there enemies? is that what you are telling us?
2- The most valuable nation in your eyes pakistan is getting billions in aids, no country comes to your rescue when ever you need the money. If they have to destroy pakistan they dont need to send army but to ask the world to stop trading with us and with in a year pakistan will be bankrupt. And who will pay 500 billion a year to army at that time?
So you are telling us the enemies of islam are still supporting pakistan even though they want to destroy pakistan?
3- Afghanistan kept fighting with pakistan before russian occupation and through russian occupation. They dont recognize the border they say its deorand line and they ask for taking it back from pakistan. Even your favourite talibans did not recognize the internation borders. So why do the two so close muslim nations are fighting with each other for land??
I have many more questions but if some one wants to close the eyes then you cannot see the reality. There is nothing like islamic block or circle and there is no enemy of islam its just there interests. They have interest in oil so they are sitting in every major oil porducing nation. And they are not taking that oil from those countires for your kind information. Kindly google and check out yourself which countries export oil to america.
America is worst we all know , they do every thing to safe guard there interest. But every country in this world also does that. Muslim nations fight with each other. These are all just states and countries there is no more islamic block thing. Open your eyes to reality

First why they are the enemies of Pakistan.. ?? what agenda they have it is very clear that they are the enemies of Islam and they are attacking two
most valuable nations of Islam.

1- Afghanistan. because of mujahadeen
2-Pakistan because of atomic power + Mujahadeen

A very simple question ..

If there are two states one Muslim and other Non-Muslim.
what should be the role of Muslim state in the light of Muhammad (SAW) and Sahaba (R.A) actions
 

usm100

Minister (2k+ posts)
Who told you its a fact? can we have some knowledge cause we are not aware of any such fact. Where did this fact came from? who told us? what is the on ground evidance.
After Pasha ISI Chief's speech in Parliament there is no need any more to go deep in such discussions. TTP is supported by Raw, Mosad and CIA this is fact. After caught of Raymond Davis it is confirmed.

All Pakistani brothers understand the need of time and stand unite.
 

PkRevolution

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
First why they are the enemies of Pakistan.. ?? what agenda they have it is very clear that they are the enemies of Islam and they are attacking two
most valuable nations of Islam.

1- Afghanistan. because of mujahadeen
2-Pakistan because of atomic power + Mujahadeen

A very simple question ..

If there are two states one Muslim and other Non-Muslim.
what should be the role of Muslim state in the light of Muhammad (SAW) and Sahaba (R.A) actions

If the non muslim attacks muslim state than definitly Jihad is answer.
 

usm100

Minister (2k+ posts)
Exactly Very true
The PKKH boys are all flashy with their youthful outlook, edgy graphics, posh accents, and nice suits and all but they are really living in a world of denial and delusion. I dont take PKKH seriously anymore (just like that joker Zaid Hamid and stooge Ahmed Quraishi no matter how much they come on leftist conspiracy central channel called Russia Today RT) because they really mess up their facts and conveniently ignore Pakistan's real enemy: the one that hides in Aabpara that cannot even control its own lower ranked officers!

Oh bhai meray, ISI is as much responsible for this mess (by supporting and protecting various Taliban and AlQaeda leaders as well as stopping any legal action from taking place against known terror captives and quietly releasing them) as America is.

The fact that they mention Afghanistan helping out TTP is obvious because the Afghan Taliban (or 'good Taliban) and TTP ('bad taliban') are ALLIES AND FRIENDS in this chaotic war. Both the Afghan Taliban and TTP rely on each other for intelligence, material support, shelter, weapons, militiamen, tactics, etc. Difference is Afghan Taliban focus on Afghanistan while the mostly local TTP focus on Pakistan.

Both these factions have killed at least 100,000 people (Afghans and Pakistanis) as a result of their raids, attacks, bombings and what not. So its obvious that while USA is not to be trusted, Pakistan is NOT fighting against these remnants of ISI's failed 'strategic depth' doctrine that has ruined two countries since 1990s.

Nateeja? Humari zillat poori dunya mein!
 

jahanzaibi

Senator (1k+ posts)
No, my question was not this... "If the non muslim attacks muslim state"
there is no state of war.. there are two nation one muslim and second non-muslim what should muslim state do.
what we learn from the life of Muhammad(SAW) and sahaba(R.A)


If the non muslim attacks muslim state than definitly Jihad is answer.
 

PkRevolution

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
No, my question was not this... "If the non muslim attacks muslim state"
there is no state of war.. there are two nation one muslim and second non-muslim what should muslim state do.
what we learn from the life of Muhammad(SAW) and sahaba(R.A)

If there is no state of war then we muslims should make ourselves an example for non muslims as Sahaba Raziallah Talah Anhu did. There deeds were invitation for non muslims to come to right path.