"US can win war without Pakistan" - US Defence Secretary Robert Gates

gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Re: US can win war without Pakistan - Robert Gates

Americans are confused. Look at the statement by Hillary Clinton, just came in Dawn. Gates and Clinton seems to have total disconnect [hilar][hilar][hilar]


WASHINGTON: Pakistan must be a part of the Afghan peace process, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told Congress on Thursday while announcing that senior Afghan, Pakistani and American officials would meet next week for further talks on this issue.
But the outgoing Defence Secretary Robert Gates said that success was possible in the war in Afghanistan even if Pakistan failed to fully cooperate in countering militants along its border.
In an interview to the AFP news agency, Mr Gates said that some positive steps by Pakistan were needed but as long as the picture stays mixed like that, that we can be successful.
In her opening remarks before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Secretary Clinton disclosed that the United States had also included Iran in the peace process.
US Special Representative Marc Grossman was leading an active diplomatic effort to build support for a political solution to the Afghan war, she said.
What we call the Core Group Afghanistan, Pakistan and the United States has met twice and will convene again next week, Mrs Clinton said, without saying where this group would meet.
But diplomatic sources told Dawn that the meeting would be held in Kabul on June 27 and Mr Grossman would lead the US delegation.
Reports in the US and international media suggest that senior American officials have already had several meetings with senior Taliban officials in Germany and other places. Pakistan also participated in these meetings. Pakistan must be part of this process, said Secretary Clinton, indirectly confirming Pakistan`s participation.
The US, she said, was also engaging other countries in the region around a common vision of an independent, stable Afghanistan and a region free of Al Qaeda.
The talks with those nations, she said, were also progressing smoothly. We believe we`ve made progress with all of the neighbours, including India, Russia, and even Iran.
Secretary Clinton noted that last Friday the UN Security Council voted unanimously to support reconciliation by splitting its sanctions on Al Qaeda and the Taliban into two separate lists.
This, she said, opened the door for the insurgents to abandon the terrorists and choose a different path.
We welcome these steps, and for the United States the key diplomatic priority and indeed a lynchpin of this entire effort is closing the gap between Kabul and Islamabad.
Secretary Clinton recalled that earlier this month, Pakistan and Afghanistan launched a joint peace commission and held substantive talks at the highest levels.
Also, very significant, was the full implementation on June 12th of the Transit Trade Agreement, which will create new economic opportunity on both sides of the Durand Line and lay the foundation for a broader vision of regional economic integration and cooperation, she said.
Secretary Clinton said that she recently visited Pakistan, and had, as we say in diplo-speak, very candid discussions with its leaders.
The United States has clear expectations for this relationship, and as President Obama said last night, the United States will never tolerate a safe haven for those who kill Americans, she said.
We are looking to Pakistan to take concrete actions on the goals we share: Defeating violent extremism, which has also taken so many innocent Pakistani lives; ending the conflict in Afghanistan; and securing a stable, democratic, prosperous future.
 

atensari

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Re: US can win war without Pakistan - Robert Gates

بسم اللہ، دیر کس بات کی ہے، پاکستان کی جان چھوڑو اپنی جنگ خود لڑو
 

Star Gazer

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: US can win war without Pakistan - Robert Gates

Living in peace is my wish, I do not know what is your choice. Kashmir and Junagarh are not same for practical purposes. The so called pre-empted Jihadist attack created the Kashmir problem in 1948, otherwise a different solution could have emerged through peaceful means. Probably Pakistan wanted to copy the way Sardar Patel used force in getting the princely states which had territorial connectivity to Dominion of India . I do not want to speculate on the past.

The division of India and Pakistan is based on religion and territorial connectivity. If Junagarh or Hyderabad (Deccan) would have become Pakistan, then they would have met the same fate of East Bengal now Bangadesh. The only difference would have been they would have become part of India. I am just talking about reality. (Remember Goa of Portugal and Puduchery of French colony).

I have nothing to do with Pakistan interests except for best wishes. What I wrote is in the context of Indian interests in containing terrorism in the region which include Pakistan.

You pick and choose what ever you want and yet believe that you are right! strange ! in one sentence you have stated that mr Patel did something and THAT was right but to immitate that is wrong because it was not an indian doing it.
Thanks for your best wishes for Pakistan but you know it is hard to believe that in the light of your conviniently self serving analysis which choses not to be honest. If you really want to be friends then you really need to correct the wrongs for the slate to be clean.
 

sngilani

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Google is not all truth. Google is created by people like you distorting history. You Indians claim that the Instrument of Accession was signed by Mahrajah Hari Singh on 26th October 1947, in which the Mahrajah agreed to accede to India in return for military assistance to put down the popular rebellion against him, seen at that time as an invasion by tribesmen from neighbouring Pakistan. The details of the accession were worked out between the Kashmiri Prime Minister, MC Mahajan and the Indian official, VP Menon, in Dehli. However, there are serious doubts about the signing of the document.

Alastair Lamb (in his book, Kashmir - A disputed legacy 1846-1990) points out that the Instrument of Accession could not have been signed by the Mahrajah on 26th October as he was travelling by road to Jammu (a distance of over 350 Km). There is no evidence to suggest that a meeting or communication of any kind took place on 26th October 1947. In fact it was on 27th October 1947 that the Mahrajah was informed by his MC Mahajan and VP Menon (who had flown into Srinagar), the the Instrument of Accession had already been negotiated in Dehli. The Mahrajah did not in fact sign the Instrument of Accession, if at all, until 27th October 1947.

This sheds doubts on the actions of the Indian regime. Some Indian troops had already arrived and secured Srinagar airfield during the middle of October 1947. On 26th October 1947, a further massive airlift brought thousands of Indian troops to Kashmir - BEFORE the signing of the Accession. Therefore, this situation begs the question: would the Mahrajah have signed the Instrument of Accession had the Indian troops not been on Kashmiri soil?
 

crankthskunk

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Google is not all truth. Google is created by people like you distorting history. You Indians claim that the Instrument of Accession was signed by Mahrajah Hari Singh on 26th October 1947, in which the Mahrajah agreed to accede to India in return for military assistance to put down the popular rebellion against him, seen at that time as an invasion by tribesmen from neighbouring Pakistan. The details of the accession were worked out between the Kashmiri Prime Minister, MC Mahajan and the Indian official, VP Menon, in Dehli. However, there are serious doubts about the signing of the document.

Alastair Lamb (in his book, Kashmir - A disputed legacy 1846-1990) points out that the Instrument of Accession could not have been signed by the Mahrajah on 26th October as he was travelling by road to Jammu (a distance of over 350 Km). There is no evidence to suggest that a meeting or communication of any kind took place on 26th October 1947. In fact it was on 27th October 1947 that the Mahrajah was informed by his MC Mahajan and VP Menon (who had flown into Srinagar), the the Instrument of Accession had already been negotiated in Dehli. The Mahrajah did not in fact sign the Instrument of Accession, if at all, until 27th October 1947.

This sheds doubts on the actions of the Indian regime. Some Indian troops had already arrived and secured Srinagar airfield during the middle of October 1947. On 26th October 1947, a further massive airlift brought thousands of Indian troops to Kashmir - BEFORE the signing of the Accession. Therefore, this situation begs the question: would the Mahrajah have signed the Instrument of Accession had the Indian troops not been on Kashmiri soil?

This is a well known fact, a hoax in which British were involved as well. Indians never produce that letter in any serious forums for their claims, everyone knows that the world had been lied to. Signing back dated document make it illegal when it is as crucial the matter as independence of millions of people.
 

saliaz

MPA (400+ posts)
dear friends,

I have been working with Endians for a while now and have learnt about them so i could understand them and sharing my experience. I must admit we have FEW things in common, but there are certain things in Endians where we cannot defeat them. And that is absence of self-respect and ego, i can prove it with real time example which most of you have already witnessed.

No matter how you ask them to stay away or humiliate them they wont listen. you can even abuse them or kick their @$$3$ but in return you will only find a sweet smile on their face.

Take an example on this forum we have ridicule endians many times but poor endians are so obssessed with us they cant stop themself and stay away from this forum. Poor B***Ds dont understand if we wish to discuss issues with international community, and most of us are already doing, will join those forums. This forum is perticulalry for pakistani siasat and to discuss our issues but Endians wont listen.

Now come to Endians well wisher and their concerns around regional security.

e.g. our friend '[MENTION=12476]only_truths[/MENTION]' pretend to be a very logical, rational, realistic and seems to have answer for everything and probably consider himself an endian IDOl, but if you see his statements which contradicts with his claims of 'well wisher'.

I would only put simple question to support this discussion that if and only if pakistan stop supply route to afghanistan how long NATO foraces can last in Afghanistan?

Secondly, how long Endians forces in the form of more then fifteen embassies (So called construction) companies would last when Yankees would leave Afghanistan leaving endians on our mercy?

Thirdly, what about Endians internal burning issues and sepration movements instead they would only blame us for instability in region but wont stop fuelling baluchistan but never accept it. Yes, if we are invovle in Kashmir we admit openly unlike indian jokers.

Take a look: http://www.indiastudychannel.com/resources/98744-The-burning-issue-India-Separation.aspx


Lets see if our Endian friends on this forum show some self respect ... any one up for a bet on it?
 

FlyHigh

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: US can win war without Pakistan - Robert Gates

US is winning with minimal support from across the border of sheltering strategic and good assets. The phased troop withdrawal is an indication of this. It is in Pakistan's interest to help US to clear out all the non-state actors from both sides of the border, as otherwise it will be only Pakistan which will be fighting these strategic assets once US leave.

India is not fighting a proxy war in Afghanistan. India has age old relationship even before the birth of Pakistan with Afghanistan. India as enemy no.1 or Kashmir as "Kore" issue is the brainchild of "Krore" commanders (quote: http://tribune.com.pk/story/191642/towards-greater-accountability/) to milk tax payers money from Govt. of Pakistan.

Let us accept LOC and live in peace. Border is just a line, let people mingle together and be happy instead of fighting.

I hope and pray US lives us alone and get their own A__ burnt just like India's Father in law USSR got its *** kicked.
 

gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Re: US can win war without Pakistan - Robert Gates

I do not understand why is every body on Siasat talking about US winning or losing 'war' in Afghanistan.

This is NOT a WAR. This is invasion by crusaders (Bush's own words), and terror due to our nukes. Afghanistan never declared war with the US and neither has Pakistan. So by logic it is NOT a war.

The terrorist actions whether directly by troops or thru suicide bombers or drone, has killed over perhaps 70,000 people including Af-Pak. US just came in with all might on behest of Free Mason and Israel to haul away or neutralize our nukes.

And proven to be slave of Dajjal. Because dajjal is growing and being readied by Allah for a big test of Muslims. he is being brought up in a Church in Bermuda and will be ready in few years to spring into actions when Allah gives him the go-ahead.

All the disasters, flood, quake, and tornado is just tester symptom of Dajjal.
All Muslims should read every Friday the entire surah Kahaf or AT LEAST the first 10 ayahs.

I am off for an hour or so to do Asr then the Surah kahaf


Salam
 

only_truths

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: US can win war without Pakistan - Robert Gates

I hope and pray US lives us alone and get their own A__ burnt just like India's Father in law USSR got its *** kicked.

When ever people you use ***** in their posts, it means they have no arguments or want to vent out bad words.

BTW India's Fahther-in-law is Gokuldas Makhanji not Russia. If you could kick out Russia what is stopping in kicking out India from Kashmir in the last 63 years?
 

FlyHigh

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: US can win war without Pakistan - Robert Gates

When ever people you use ***** in their posts, it means they have no arguments or want to vent out bad words.

BTW India's Fahther-in-law is Gokuldas Makhanji not Russia. If you could kick out Russia what is stopping in kicking out India from Kashmir in the last 63 years?

I not venting out bad words, just telling you what happened to USSR in Afghanistan. There is No if in kicking the USSR's A__ out of Afghanistan with Pakistans help, and there is No If without our help Uncle Sam will meet the same fate. They are fixing to run, i.e the white Europeans.How many army personels do yo guys have in Kashmir?
 

gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Re: US can win war without Pakistan - Robert Gates

I do not understand why is every body on Siasat talking about US winning or losing 'war' in Afghanistan.

This is NOT a WAR. This is invasion by crusaders (Bush's own words), and terror due to our nukes. Afghanistan never declared war with the US and neither has Pakistan. So by logic it is NOT a war.

The terrorist actions whether directly by troops or thru suicide bombers or drone, has killed over perhaps 70,000 people including Af-Pak. US just came in with all might on behest of Free Mason and Israel to haul away or neutralize our nukes.

And proven to be slave of Dajjal. Because dajjal is growing and being readied by Allah for a big test of Muslims. he is being brought up in a Church in Bermuda and will be ready in few years to spring into actions when Allah gives him the go-ahead.

All the disasters, flood, quake, and tornado is just tester symptom of Dajjal.
All Muslims should read every Friday the entire surah Kahaf or AT LEAST the first 10 ayahs.

I am off for an hour or so to do Asr then the Surah kahaf


Salam


This Kahaf is very long surah, but DID it.

does anybody know what is dajjal in Arabic?
 

casper

MPA (400+ posts)
Re: US can win war without Pakistan - Robert Gates

America already lost the crusade coming to khorasan, 90% of afgahnistan is under taliban control.

last i heard 500,000 troops india has in Kashmir, whats wrong even they have to wear nappies.
You indians I'm afraid are stupid. Why don't you let the Kashmir people be independent, don't give em to Pakistan.
The only reason why usa looking after you is to counter china.
Its simple no dispute of Kashmir = free major trade development in the area.

India you really think u gonna be the next superpower, all that needs to be done is your internal insurgencies need to be exploited and your fu...ked. , u will break up because your big in size its gonna be easy. So its in your interest to resolve the matter now, because over time we are not gonna forget your medaling in Baluchistan. And wen the ameicans move out of here 2014 or before with a broken back, its gonna your turn, with the help of china we could split u into 500 pieces bitchh, so the balls in your court.


Your options

1) resolve Kashmir and make a prosperous region

2) get bummed by china

3) get bummed by Pakistan and china [hilar]


i would strongly advise option 1) (bigsmile)
(and bummed means not bombed, but take it from the back)


russia got bummed so bad by us, that there heads still up there assss so far, they wanna be our friends now ;)
 
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qamar_zaman

Councller (250+ posts)
what and why did they waited for so many years go ahead and leave this territary as soon as they can so that we live peacefully
 

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