Turkey a new player in Afghanistan

StarTrooper

MPA (400+ posts)

Turkey Awaiting Decision from U.S., NATO to Take Control of Afghanistan Airport​

Turkey is awaiting a decision from the U.S. and NATO to take control of Afghanistan's airport in its capital Kabul.

Turkish Defense Minister Hulusi Akar said Friday negotiations were taking place with the U.S. over the country's proposal to secure Kabul's Hamid Karzai International Airport following the total departure of U.S. troops and NATO forces from Afghanistan, according to the Associated Press.

Turkey has more than 500 troops stationed in Afghanistan and is already involved in the airport's operations.

"The airport must be open and operate. If the airport doesn't work, embassies will pull out, and in such a situation, Afghanistan would become an isolated state," said Akar.

If a decision on the airport's protection is not reached, it will remain under control of the U.S.' Resolute Support Mission and could complicate U.S. plans to fully pull out of Afghanistan.

For more reporting from the Associated Press, see below.

General Dostum message from Turkey

 
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StarTrooper

MPA (400+ posts)
Battle lines becoming clear on Ethnic grounds

Pakistan to support Talibans & Pushtuns

Iran to support Hazaras & Tajiks

Turkey to support Uzbeks & Turkmen

Three Muslim powers will collide in Afghanistan
 

StarTrooper

MPA (400+ posts)
Lol, time to talk about Russia, the old player. Smh.
Russia does not have any ethnic links to Afghanistan while Turkey have ethnic links Turkmen & Uzbeks of Afghanistan are Turks and they are also looking towards Turkey for support since last 15 years Turkey is actively establishing its proxies in the conflict zones
 

maximuswarrior

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Battle lines becoming clear on Ethnic grounds

Pakistan to support Talibans & Pushtuns

Iran to support Hazaras & Tajiks

Turkey to support Uzbeks & Turkmen

Three Muslim powers will collide in Afghanistan

The Iranians and Turks aren't crazy. The Iranians have already established channels with the Taliban. Even long before US/NATO withdrawal. This is not the 80s anymore where the Iranians will support just one side against another. The Taliban frequently visit Iran. India used to be a thorn in Pakistan Iran relations. Ever since Iran booted out India from Chabahar Indian Iranian relations aren't what they used to be. Today Iran is working with China and has become a vital part of OBOR. In fact, Chinese want to interconnect CPEC with Iran.

The Turks will collaborate with Pakistan. That is not even a question mark. The situation in Afghanistan is favorable for Pakistan. Pakistan should immediately invite Russian, Chinese, Turkish and Iranian officials to discuss Afghanistan. Our goals are all the same today. We want peace in Afghanistan and we want trade between the region. Whether Taliban form a unity government or opt for complete control is not a question. The question is for Pakistan, Iran, Russia and China to be on the same page with regards to Afghanistan. After two decades the chances are very bright.
 
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hkniazi

Minister (2k+ posts)
even when ottomans were there, Pakistan was never part of it.
he was in a better position.
 

StarTrooper

MPA (400+ posts)
The Iranians and Turks aren't crazy. The Iranians have already established channels with the Taliban. Even long before US/NATO withdrawal. This is not the 80s anymore where the Iranians will support just one side against another. The Taliban frequently visit Iran.

The Turks will collaborate with Pakistan. The situation in Afghanistan is favorable for Pakistan. Pakistan should immediately invite Russian, Chinese and Iranian officials to discuss Afghanistan. Our goals are all the same today. We want peace in Afghanistan and we want trade between the region.

In your dreams, Iranian will never let Sunni religious Talibans to take over Afghanistan

nor Turkey under Erodgan will let Pashtun Talibans to dominate Turk region of Northern Afghanistan.

Turkey under Erodgan invaded syria to protect ethnic turks even interfering in Iraq in some turk majority towns .

PanTurkism is rising under Erodgan world have seen it in Azerbaijan Armenia war
 

maximuswarrior

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
In your dreams, Iranian will never let Sunni religious Talibans to take over Afghanistan

nor Turkey under Erodgan will let Pashtun Talibans to dominate Turk region of Northern Afghanistan.

Turkey under Erodgan invaded syria to protect ethnic turks even interfering in Iraq in some turk majority towns .

PanTurkism is rising under Erodgan world have seen it in Azerbaijan Armenia war

You are in living in a different universe buddy. Time to wake up.

What makes you think Erdogan is going to execute his personal agenda when the US/NATO machinery couldn't achieve their objectives in 20 years? Stop fabricating conspiracies.

Besides, Pakistan and Turkey are 100% on the same page with regards to Afghanistan. Let's entertain your theory for a second. Even if Turkey decided to support certain factions, do you really think this is possible without Pak support? US/NATO was for 20 years dependent on Pakistani supply routes and intel assistance. Just let that sink in for a minute.
 
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maximuswarrior

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Erdowan want destruction of Turkey in a useless adventure he is dreaming in Afghanistan!

BS conspiracies spread by enemies. Don't believe in such propaganda. Anyone who is well versed in this conflict understands that such propaganda is meant to divert attention.

You will hear so much BS in the months ahead. Let's understand one thing very clearly. Our enemies had to leave Afghanistan due to China containment, but they would have stayed another two decades if they could. They are now going to employ other methods to sow confusion and bloodshed. We have to remain vigilant and sharp to see through propaganda.
 

StarTrooper

MPA (400+ posts)
You are in living in a different universe buddy. Time to wake up.

What makes you think Erdogan is going to execute his personal agenda when the US/NATO machinery couldn't achieve their objectives in 20 years? Stop fabricating conspiracies.

Besides, Pakistan and Turkey are 100% on the same page with regards to Afghanistan.

US achieved all its objectives . Al Qaida finished in Afghanistan. USA later on created Afghan Army gradually pulled out its own troops and Afghan Army was given the rule . For last 5 years just 2500- 3500 American soldiers are in Afghanistan. Now they have left too now it is a time to know American created Afghan Army stands to the challenge or fails only time will tell

Turkey is not eying to capture Afghanistan it is only want a rule in Turk areas of Afghanistan where they will be welcomed by the locals
 
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StarTrooper

MPA (400+ posts)
Erdowan want destruction of Turkey in a useless adventure he is dreaming in Afghanistan!
If Turkey interfer in Northern Afghanistan especially in Turk regions of Uzbeks & Turkemen Locals will welcome it with open arms. Locals will prefer to be ruled by Turkey than by Talibans or any other central government of Afghanistan
 

maximuswarrior

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
US achieved all its objectives . Al Qaida finished in Afghanistan. USA later on created Afghan Army gradually pulled out its own troops and Afghan Army was given the rule . For last 5 years just 2500- 3500 American soldiers are in Afghanistan. Now they have left too now it is a time to know American created Afghan Army stands to the challenge or fails only time will tell

Turkey is eying to capture Afghanistan it is only want a rule in Turk areas of Afghanistan where they will be welcomed by the locals

- AQ isn't finished. It still exists and it is resurgent. Even the Americans acknowledge this.
- Afghan army is incapable of fighting against the Taliban, AQ and other militant groups. The Taliban are already capturing massive amounts of Afghan districts as we speak. This is whilst US forces are still evacuating. What can ANA do? Nothing. The Americans don't even trust that Afghan forces would be able to hold onto American equipment. The Americans had to destroy and scrap military equipment. What Afghan force are you talking about? The one that is laying arms and defecting without a fight?
- Afghan factions don't even get along among themselves. You cannot hold elections in Afghanistan without various factions accusing each other. There is no unity. It is a failure and that is also one of the reasons the Americans had to give up.
- Turkey is not capable of moving a leaf without regional actors LOL Like I said, US/NATO combined couldn't achieve any success in two decades. None of their goals were achieved. Victors don't leave quietly.