There is no Imam Mahdi (A.S.) (Na-Auoozubillah) - Javed Ahmad GHAMIDI The King of LIARS

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anees1980

MPA (400+ posts)
rana14801 said:
how can u verify or say with all the might that books u have and refering r true and SAHEE and has not been altered to make us GUMRAH and to serve their purpose. plz go to some other sect specially books held by AHL E HADEES ulmaa and confirm that what ever u r quoting is correct. u will surely see the difference. i know books of hadees avail now and many other books i had read have such material which is totally against the teachings of our holly book QURAAN . to my mind any hadees conflicting with the basic principals laid in Quraan by Allah the Almighty, can not be assumed as correct. it is a very sensitive matter. my request to brothers is plz do not get offended because our Ulmaa has told us diffrent but try to research ur self and find the truth.may Allah help us. aameen. u will be surprised that sahee siah satta books referred and certified by various Ulmaa's have been changed at some stage by evil people to serve their evil designs.
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Please give some proof that Sahih Hadith have been changed.
 
messam

messam

MPA (400+ posts)
Re: There is no Imam Mahdi (A.S.) - Javed Ahmad GHAMIDI The Best of SCHOLORS

indigo said:
stick to the facts loser....
Even Qadiyanis n Ahmadis dont like Ghamidi.......
pathetic explanation......
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What kin dof KID you are kid...

Did you even read my answer.. You never did, else you would have answered my questions and you would have not Replied as you replied.. Saying me looser won't make me looser.. It was not about winning or loosing it was about the facts..

Dear Sweet kid..post was not about Ghamidi (Show me the single instance where I mentioned his name, if you are feeling sleepy go to bead or ask Aunty jee for a glass of milk), the post was not even about Qadiyanis liking or disliking of Ghamidi (You have a real good research on liking and disliking of qadiyanis.. good work..).. That post and my reply, and PATHETIC EXPLANATION was all about ALLAMA IQBAL and true meaning of his poetry, and your poor interpretation of his Poetry..

Open up read again.. Awaiting your replies. O yeahh take your time.. Secondly I am not loosing or winning a battle, neither fighting , I am putting in the facts and would like to be proved incorrect so that i can revisit my aqaid.. Your help will be highly appreciated..
 
messam

messam

MPA (400+ posts)
indigo said:
Tell you a useless fact....

You know Imran Khan did not support women protection bill,
http://tribune.com.pk/story/292734/pti-and-the-media/



Ghamidi objected that the bill provided no major relief to women. Imran KHAN had a similiar position....
Funny thing is people like you will soon call Imran Khan a Qadiyani or Ahmadi ... because he Understand Iqbal just like Ghamidi... not like Zaid Hamid or anything...
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O yaar tum kiss tarah k banday ho... Imran khan kahan say aa gaya beech mein... .. Ussi topic pay raho... mere jawab tau daitay jao... dil q dukhatay ho...

Na Gul Khile Hain, Na Unse Mile, Na May Pee Hai​
Ajeeb Rang Mein Ab Ke Bahaar Guzari Hai

Woh Baat Saare Fasaane Mein Jiska Zikr Na Tha
woh baat..................................

QAdiyanio pay research bohat hai tumhari... Kabi tum Women bill lay aatay ho... Chalo beta batao aap kon c classs mein parhtay ho ???
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c4cheema

c4cheema

MPA (400+ posts)
4.GIF


faust6 said:
Allama Iqbal, Maulana Ubaidullah Sindhi AND I think Ibn e Khuldun also did not believe on Mahdi AND Esa's arrival. abb inn ko bhi galian do gay ???? Pakistan kee qom mulla keee baat par andha aitmaad karti hai aur QURAN ko almost completely ignore kar daity hai... agar kisi alim ka mukhtalif view hai tu bhai reasons kee base par ho sakta hai .... kia galian dainay walon ko Allah nay diloun ka haal jannay kee quwwat bakhsh dee hai jo kisi humble scholar kee niyat ka bhi batanay lagtay hain.????

Khuda ka khouf karo yar saray !!!!!!!
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You did not read Iqbal .... kindly read full
Mahdi-e-Barhaq Before quoting nonsense

 
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H.Abbas

Citizen
Please find some knowledge, instead of ignorance. Go hit the books, and read the Quran, don't tell people I heard that its in the Quran, go read the Hadith, and check why Hadith is characterized quite often as weak in relation to ideas that Quran never stated, and Prophet could not had said that which is not found in the Quran. The meaning of ending all Prophet-hood with Muhammad pbuh, meant no more theological leadership will arise in the Muslim Ummah. Again try to learn, before going about declaring the only rational man, who can be called a scholar. Don't learn religion from Mullah's or self declared sheikhs, and Allamas.
 
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faust6

Citizen
diloun ka haal jantay hain log aur dosron ko liar, kafir, deceiver, etc boltay hai????? kisi ko ghalat kaho magar neyat par shak na karooo...Kia Allah nay wahi kar dee hai aap logoun par kay ghamidi deen ka dushman hai ??????????? . ikhtelaf karnay kee tameez bhi seekh lo yaro.. Hazrat Mohammad (SAW) rahmat thay magar yeh mullahs nay hamari qom ko badtameez bana dia hai .. guftagoo karnay ka saleeka hee naheen... afsoos hota hai afsoos ....
 
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adnan_younus

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
every one has his own interpretation of quran and sunnah...... dont poke yr nose in each others interpretation
khanaman said:
The Quran tells you to offer Salat, the Sunnah teaches you how to do it. One is the law and the other is the process to follow the law. Therefore, the Sunnah and Hadeeth always support the Quran and should always be seen and read in conjunction with the Quran.
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Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
A person is not born with phd in his hands and life experiences depend on interaction between people and things within the environment one finds oneself in at any moment in time.

It is over all picture that is important.

Mullahism was always destructive for humanity and the whole fight reported in the quran was always between mullahs of a nation and the prophets.

If one does not learn from the quran this much then one has not read the quran to understand it.

Islam is deen not mazhab. Mullahs are those people who take islam as mazhab and bother not with rest of islam which is real purpose Allah sent so many prophets.

Shias and sunnies are by and large mazhabi musalman. If majority of so called followers of islam were of deeni mindset it is not possible that islam would not be ruling the world today. Mullahs are enemies of islam from within and they always had links with outside enemies of islam.

Even today even america is funding mullahs because they know mazhab islam is in their favour.

Anyone defending mazhab and mullahs is therefore not working for Allah and his rasool for the good of humanity but for their enemies. So anyone who sincerely believes islam is solution for the problems of humanity in the world must leave mullahs alone and must get to know the quran oneself and see what the real sunnah of the prophets was.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AAirKoFXgw&feature=related
 
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Dark-Spirit

Dark-Spirit

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Temojin said:
Allama Iqbal didn't believe in Imam Mahdi????? Are you serious? Mate, you don't know anything then. Ibn e Khuldun was a historian of lesser credibility as in his muqaddimah, he has clearly stated that he has quoted all that he had heard without verifying it. Sindhi was no freedom fighter as well, lets not pull more history into it or there would be chapters of what he actually did to Muslims.



Good one mate. The reason behind negating Imam's A.S existence is to negate the reason for jihad as ghamdi clearly said that there were requirements and status of jihad that was analysed by Muhammad pbuh and after visaal, who has the authority to ascertain the same reasons and status. This happens when a person starts using more of intellect and relies on it than being humble and seeking guidance from Allah.
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Sorry Sir as I do hold you and your views in respect on most of the issues but over here I think you have slightly transgressed to term the father of modern Social Sciences Ibn Khaldun as less reliable and credible. If you want to assess his credibility then do have a look on the views of the likes of Arnold Joseph Toynbee (d.1975) and many other contemporary scholars of social sciences who never used less than superlatives to praise that giant of a scholar of pre-modern era. The accuracy of historical accounts through the pens of Muslim scribes have always been an appalling prospect which was vehemently proscribed by this same giant but Mukaddimah I believe is more and less deals with the Philosophy of Historical accounts of the known world rather than the systematic discourse of those events in an encyclopaedic format.

Coming back to Dr. Iqbal then it also looks plausible at least to his speculative reasoning that Imam Mahdis concept is borrowed from the Megan mythology as per his lectures of Reconstruction are concerned. However in his intuitive thought which is mainly presented in the form of his poetry then yes of course the concept of a last saviour for Muslim Ummah and for rest of the mankind is immanent and cant be ignored. Overall to me Iqbal seemed to be a confused visionary on these issues according to my humble assessment.

As far as Maulana Ubaid Ullah Sindhis assertion is concerned then Im not aware of his works and hence will not comment on it. Suffice is to state here that though a vast majority of Muslim scholars do seems to have consensus on the issue of Mahdis arrival in End Times but some of the strong voices also have dissenting notes which cant be brushed aside.
 
Dark-Spirit

Dark-Spirit

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Dark-Spirit said:
Sorry Sir as I do hold you and your views in respect on most of the issues but over here I think you have slightly transgressed to term the father of modern Social Sciences Ibn Khaldun as less reliable and credible. If you want to assess his credibility then do have a look on the views of the likes of Arnold Joseph Toynbee (d.1975) and many other contemporary scholars of social sciences who never used less than superlatives to praise that giant of a scholar of pre-modern era. The accuracy of historical accounts through the pens of Muslim scribes have always been an appalling prospect which was vehemently proscribed by this same giant but Mukaddimah I believe is more and less deals with the Philosophy of Historical accounts of the known world rather than the systematic discourse of those events in an encyclopaedic format.

Coming back to Dr. Iqbal then it also looks plausible at least to his speculative reasoning that Imam Mahdi’s concept is borrowed from the Megan mythology as per his lectures of Reconstruction are concerned. However in his intuitive thought which is mainly presented in the form of his poetry then yes of course the concept of a last saviour for Muslim Ummah and for rest of the mankind is immanent and can’t be ignored. Overall to me Iqbal seemed to be a confused visionary on these issues according to my humble assessment.

As far as Maulana Ubaid Ullah Sindhi’s assertion is concerned then I’m not aware of his works and hence will not comment on it. Suffice is to state here that though a vast majority of Muslim scholars do seems to have consensus on the issue of Mahdi’s arrival in End Times but some of the strong voices also have dissenting notes which can’t be brushed aside.
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* Correction for the underlined phrase which was meant to be Magian (Instead of Megan) which means the Priestly class of Zoroastrianism of ancient Persia.
 
atensari

atensari

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adnan_apml said:
dont poke in others beliefs.. dont try to prove shias praying ways are wrong and wahabis praying ways are wrong or saying salah salam before prayes is wrong... every one has his own interpretation and only Allah knows who is right
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Right, and this proves Hadeeth is next source of information other then Quran Majeed.
 
atensari

atensari

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adnan_apml said:
of course it is.... but dont point otehrs on their interpretation..
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I agree with you.This argument began when some one asked "Is Mahdi mentioned in Quran". My question was "how to offer two rakaths of salat mentioned in Quran". Denying Hadeeth absolutely and preferring one hadeeth over other are two different issues.
 
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