The Cloak of Nationalism is the Burial Shroud of Islam?

aneeskhan

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Re: The disease of nationalism, especially for alimohsan52

Nationalism is important in the modern world.
you are limited to Pakistani nationalism or beyond that which is current tassubism which is chasing Pakistan as a big monster.
Just give benefits of nationalism,may people of Pakistan get benfitted ,last night 18 innocent poor Dhobi,s from punjab killed by same who believe Linguistic and ethnicity is important.What was their jurm ke punjabi ghar mein allah ne paida kiya uss ke bad woh tu irrespective har eik ka **** saaf kar rahe the Masoom.
 

Vitamin_C

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: The disease of nationalism, especially for alimohsan52

you are limited to Pakistani nationalism or beyond that which is current tassubism which is chasing Pakistan as a big monster.
Just give benefits of nationalism,may people of Pakistan get benfitted ,last night 18 innocent poor Dhobi,s from punjab killed by same who believe Linguistic and ethnicity is important.What was their jurm ke punjabi ghar mein allah ne paida kiya uss ke bad woh tu irrespective har eik ka **** saaf kar rahe the Masoom.

I support Nationalism similar to what you see in Iran, Turkey, USA, UAE...
Where there is standardization, everyone goes to the same school system, everywhere in village and in the biggest cities there is same standard of roads and infrastructure, police system, development, so it doesn't feel like your traveling to a different country when you move from Panjgur to Lahore. Only a fix percentage is taken from each province and spent on standardization. It is very complicated and we are very far from it.

I watched IKs 2nd part of Talats last Interview, in which he hinted that in future we can have a Pakistan with no borders with Afghanistan and other central Asian states, which will be similar to USA, if you go to USA you will see similar standards of roads and police in each state whether rich or poor, but very small differences because of laws. For this first we will have to unite our 4 provinces it will take alot of Nation building but it doesn't take much time. Next time you go to UAE, visit Fujairah, ras al khaimah, umm ul quwain, Abu dhabi, Dubai, Sharjah, Ajman... All 7 emirates have very good roads, there are no electricity poles as the electricity lines are underground inside cities, but if you are in Al-ain and you look into Braimi (Oman) from the border you can see the difference, the roads, the electricity and telephone polls the buildings etc...
 

Altaf Lutfi

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: The disease of nationalism, especially for alimohsan52

yehi kharaabi hai....Maulana ne bism-e-Allah hi ulti kar di. khair ka paighaam hai magar ooper ek jumla jo nationalism ko beemari qaraar deta hai aur nationalists ko mareez ! Allah k banday, takabbur aur tamaskhur k oonchay singhasan se aap khair ka paighaam kis andaaz mein pesh kartay hu. Rasul-Allah S.A.W is tarah mareezun ko theek kartay thay ? Pakistaniyun ko leboratory k choohay samajh kar har koi apnay tajurbat karta hai. baat itni si hai k aakhir kaar Allah ka paighaam hi ghaalib hoga magar hum sab tu abhi kal musalman huay hain, seekhnay k amal mein hain aur jab tak hum musalmaani k munaasib darjay tak nai pahunch jatay, nationalism ko ek binding force k taur par barqaraar rakhna hamari zaroorat hai. Aisa na hu k jab roohaniyyat k aala maqaam tak pahunchein tu wajoodi etbaar se maadoom hu chukay hun. Maulana ! apnay wajood ko kharabiyun se pak karna aur islami aqdaar se bhar dena ek tadreeji amal hai, soft ware badalnay ka amal nai hai.j log sanjeedagi se is amal mein shareek hain, un ka mazaaq udana aur khud ko koi aur hi makhlooq samajh lena qaabil-e-sataish naheen.
 

alimohsan52

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: The disease of nationalism, especially for alimohsan52

Yes, I am a sick nationalist, i think it is an honourable title
 

alimohsan52

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: The disease of nationalism, especially for alimohsan52

I am a proud Muslim and a proud Pakistani, the symbol of Pakistaniat is Mohammad Ali Jinnah:


 

UKPakistani

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: The disease of nationalism, especially for alimohsan52

i WISH ADMIN SHOULD PRINT PICTURES OF ALL TASSUBI,S SO FORUM MEMBER CAN SEE WHAT IS THE LOOK OF HATTERS AND FILTHY WORD USERS ,SHOULD GET TOTAL BAN FROM THIS FORUM.
@aneeskhan

Are YOU a


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No need to bring Admin into everything

why don't YOU set an example by posting a genuine pic of yourself,

so that we can all see what a paragon of honesty virtue and truth you are.

Then maybe others will follow suit

Or is it only others you wish to see ?

but dare not show yourself ?
 

abu yousuf

Citizen
Re: The disease of nationalism, especially for alimohsan52

Assalmualaikum,Masha Allah very nice poem by Allama Iqbal as you mentioned brother.

But see below his another poem's "wataniyat" (nationalism) verses, they are as follow:

3.GIF


Meaning:
Country, is the biggest among these new gods!
What is its shirt is the shroud of Deen (Religion)


Another one from the same poem which you can find in his selection called "bang e dara"

12.GIF


Meaning:
God’s creation is unjustly divided among nations by it
The Islamic concept of nationality is uprooted by it

Hope you got the message which Iqbal was trying to give to the wider ummah plus he was a stanuch supporter of ~Khilafat movement started by Maulana Mohammed Ali jouhar. God bless bro...
 

aneeskhan

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Re: The disease of nationalism, especially for alimohsan52

@aneeskhan

Are YOU a


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Simply you got concious your picture will get 1 slot,but from my side I will continue to voice against all Tassub and hates,alas you and almohsan can review your posts,still love and sweetness from my side
in anticipation one day only Pakistani without tassub will win and all hatters will regret themselves.
The day you will kill this germ that only Imran Khan,Ch iftikhar and Nawaz is patriotic and final authority rest in three provinces are ghaddars things will get better.Pakistan will come out much better by all.
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: The Filth of Nationalism

Islam is about principles not minority or majority. What proves to be islam is islam and what proves to be kufar is kufar. However shooraa has a role not in deciding values of islam because that is already told in the quran but to see what should be the law about something and how it should be applied.

For example, islam is defined by the quran as to what it is ie it is a way of life that ensures peaceful and prosperous existence for humanity. The quran also clearly states terms and condition that can ensure such a way of life can work. All people need to decide is who should be the office bearer in the islamic administration and executive members for legislations. Laws brought in must be based upon stated terms and condition for the set out goal of islam. The admin is also responsible for ensuring proper application of legislated laws and their enforcement.

Any other definition of islam is anti quran. Islam is not personality based but constitution based system. It is not khalifah who is important but the constitution and law. All individuals and institution must abide by constitution and its laws. This is real quranic islamic rule.

The idea that sunnies or shias are right because they follow sahaba or ahlul bait is not the criterion. Even the person of the prophet is not the criterion for islam, it is quran alone. The order for support of the prophet is only given because he is given the mission to carry out so anyone who accepts this mission must support it for his own good.

A lot of stuff found in islamic history book is not 100% auhtentic because it was written for later rulers who modified real stories to make them useful for themselves.

Muslims must accept the quran alone as foundation of islam, the hadis and rest of books are ok for information about past but they are not deen in themselves. Constitution of islam is quran alone not hadis. It is because Allah alone is God worthy of rulership not the prophet. hadis however tells us how constitution was acted upon by the prophet and people of his time as the administrators of the constitution and as the members of the public.

Accepting hadith as part of divine constitution is same as accepting another God with God. It is like giving the prophet the status of a ruler along with Allah, which is shirk. Prophet is only an agent of God not God himself or equal to him. He has no right of rule over people but he can advise people how to abide by divine constitution. This is why anyone could question anyone in his behaviour with respect to constitution and laws.

This needs proper understanding by people that islam is a deen not a mazab. If we read the quran this way, we will save ourselves from a lot of problems which divide people on basis of their mazaahib. Sects are actually cults because people follow certain personalities rather than the constitution and its laws.

hadis and history of islam is important only because it tells us how prophet and his followers implemented divine constitution and legislated laws that were needed in their time so that we too could follow their example that way. Hadis has nothing at all to do with copying behaviour of the prophet in general but only in relation to his mission.

mullahs have mislead ummah and are still misleading it by their nonsense, telling people all sorts of useless things to do turning ummat into a totally useless people and a laughing stock for the world.

There is none who could explain quran out side this context. Each time anyone will try to explain quran in mazhabi sense there will arise many contradictions that cannot be justified no matter what.

People should start using their own brains so that they are not made fools of by clueless mullahs.
 

KhanHaripur

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Nationalism is Kufr - Abdur Raheem Green

@khan27

Aur Allah Pak ki taraf say jab chitter tumhey parha to phir ?
is clip main kon c baat Quran o hadith k mutabik nahi ?
 
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mediator

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Re: Nationalism is Kufr - Abdur Raheem Green

@khan27

Could you please enlighten us what part of the speech deserve your comments and why?
 
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mediator

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Re: Nationalism is Kufr - Abdur Raheem Green

Aal-e-Imran | 200 verses | The family of Imran | Recitation |Topics
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سورة آل عمران
Sura #3 | Madina
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103وَاعْتَصِمُوا بِحَبْلِ اللَّهِ جَمِيعًا وَلَا تَفَرَّقُوا ۚ وَاذْكُرُوا نِعْمَتَ اللَّهِ عَلَيْكُمْ إِذْ كُنتُمْ أَعْدَاءً فَأَلَّفَ بَيْنَ قُلُوبِكُمْ فَأَصْبَحْتُم بِنِعْمَتِهِ إِخْوَانًا وَكُنتُمْ عَلَىٰ شَفَا حُفْرَةٍ مِّنَ النَّارِ فَأَنقَذَكُم مِّنْهَا ۗ كَذَ*ٰلِكَ يُبَيِّنُ اللَّهُ لَكُمْ آيَاتِهِ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَهْتَدُونَ
Yusuf Ali 103:And hold fast, all together, by the rope which Allah (stretches out for you), and be not divided among yourselves; and remember with gratitude Allah's favour on you; for ye were enemies and He joined your hearts in love, so that by His Grace, ye became brethren; and ye were on the brink of the pit of Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus doth Allah make His Signs clear to you: That ye may be guided.
Urdu 103:اور سب مل کر الله کی رسی مضبوط پکڑو اور پھوٹ نہ ڈالو اور الله کا احسان اپنے اوپر یاد کرو جب کہ تم آپس میں دشمن تھے پھر تمہارے دلوں میں الفت ڈال دی پھر تم اس کے فضل سے بھائی بھائی ہو گئے اور تم آگ کے گڑھے کے کنارے پر تھے پھر تم کو اس سے نجات دی اس طرح تم پر الله اپنی نشانیاں بیان کرتا ہے تاکہ تم ہدایت پاؤ

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Ahmed365

MPA (400+ posts)
Re: Nationalism is Kufr - Abdur Raheem Green

It's a stupid argument, there is nothing wrong with nationalism, so long it is not converted into hatred for others.
 

Babatank

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: Nationalism is Kufr - Abdur Raheem Green

This is what these people can do for you. Fatwa factory is opened...
 

khan27

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Nationalism is Kufr - Abdur Raheem Green

Faiza why did u delete my post?? why dont u delete khanipuri threads??did u check his threads??do we need extremists fitna phelane wale log on siasat.pk?