Tahir ul Qadri broke the record by not demanding any sharia law specifically despite so many days of

[shaikh]

Tahir ul Qadri advocate also known as sheikh ul Islam has broken one world record , If our media is reporting correctly , he is the first religion connected personality in the history of politics of Pakistan who has not demanded any single Islamic law to be imposed in Pakistan specifically during this agitation.


Usually religious personalities agitate for abolition of Riba , or ban on a blasphameous book or demand change in laws to sharia and so on .

Nawaz at least tried his best to introduce Islamic law in the fifteenth constitutional amendment in 1998, a description of that effort is in another thread of mine .

TUQ has acted like a true advocate , lawyers were in the forefront of opposing Islamic law during Zia ul Haq time . Someone from his followers should correct me if I am wrong , otherwise he should think why or ask him why has he avoided the topic of Islamic law in Pakistan after all what is TUQ if not for faith ,

 

[QaiserMirza]

جس مشن پر شیخ السلام کو بھیجا گیا ہے اس میں اسلامی حکومت کا قیام شامل نہیں ہے
ان کا مشن تو لگتا ہے ملک کے اسلامی تشخص کو تباہ کرنا ہے
الله کے نظام کو رائج کرنے سے تو اپنے کردار کی نفی ہوتی ہے​

 

[rtabasum2]

جس مشن پر شیخ السلام کو بھیجا گیا ہے اس میں اسلامی حکومت کا قیام شامل نہیں ہے
ان کا مشن تو لگتا ہے ملک کے اسلامی تشخص کو تباہ کرنا ہے
الله کے نظام کو رائج کرنے سے تو اپنے کردار کی نفی ہوتی ہے​

Chalo tou phir tirchi topi walay ko keh dou Islami nizam ka wo tou Gaza say hi nahi nikal raha

 

[wahreh]

Is kay barey mein aap hi janey, ye to aap ka itehadi hai kpk mein. Its funny that u support TUQ who has nothing to do with PTI, except connected to PTI by script writers. But u are against your itehadi in kpk govt. Care to explain this tazad ?

Chalo tou phir tirchi topi walay ko keh dou Islami nizam ka wo tou Gaza say hi nahi nikal raha

 

[rtabasum2]

Is kay barey mein aap hi janey, ye to aap ka itehadi hai kpk mein. Its funny that u support TUQ who has nothing to do with PTI, except connected to PTI by script writers. But u are against your itehadi in kpk govt. Care to explain this tazad ?

TUQ is a Charlton but than most of the politicians r it was jjust trying to spite Mirza, try discussing TUQ politics he has got a political party n his political slogan never was nifaz Islam, in the same wake Fazal ul rehman n siraj ul haq shud be criticized that whenever they make a political speech they shud just focus on Nifaz Islam. Mirza sahib is pakka jamattia n they go off the handle if not checked I take a peck or two against other jamattias as well like Choudary n co just to sharpen their wits. And I am against Army role in politics as well so don't get surprised if I bash Army whenever I feel somebody is going overboard with their praise

 

[rtabasum2]

Is kay barey mein aap hi janey, ye to aap ka itehadi hai kpk mein. Its funny that u support TUQ who has nothing to do with PTI, except connected to PTI by script writers. But u are against your itehadi in kpk govt. Care to explain this tazad ?

Care to explain wt the script is ? who wrote it and why r they against the Erdogan of Pakistan???

 

[rtabasum2]

Is kay barey mein aap hi janey, ye to aap ka itehadi hai kpk mein. Its funny that u support TUQ who has nothing to do with PTI, except connected to PTI by script writers. But u are against your itehadi in kpk govt. Care to explain this tazad ?

Hey they r ittahadi of u guys in centre remember they voted for NS for his PM candidature app log bohat bewaffa ho aik dou voton ko tou ghass bhi nahi daltay

 

[NaveedAli]

if constitution is followed in real terms it will itself follows in conjunction with the laws of ISLAM (SHARIA) but there is loads more than SHARIA. it is the first step of the ladder. SO do not abuse the constitution than we will be fine..

 

[wahreh]

I respect your opinion and count you among few of the sensible PTIians who maintain dignity in disagreement. Hats off to you

TUQ is a Charlton but than most of the politicians r it was jjust trying to spite Mirza, try discussing TUQ politics he has got a political party n his political slogan never was nifaz Islam, in the same wake Fazal ul rehman n siraj ul haq shud be criticized that whenever they make a political speech they shud just focus on Nifaz Islam. Mirza sahib is pakka jamattia n they go off the handle if not checked I take a peck or two against other jamattias as well like Choudary n co just to sharpen their wits. And I am against Army role in politics as well so don't get surprised if I bash Army whenever I feel somebody is going overboard with their praise

 

[wahreh]

Just to clarify, i am not a NS supporter. If you notice i have been a member on this forum since July of 2013 but only start contributing since may of this year when i got a whiff and sensed it myself that IK is now being driven by not so democratic forces and when i saw him surrounded by the likes of TUQ, sh rasheed and choudhry brother. Otherwise, after 2013 elections i was really happy that IK had won majority in KPK and was thrilled that he is going to turn KPK into a model for rest of the country to follow. I am a strong supporter of democratic process but a much stronger critic of military intervention in politics. So when i sensed that IK is playing in the hands of 'other' forces, i decided to come out strongly against it. Once this situation is resolved and dark shades over the democracy (however corrupt that is) are lifted, you will find me to be a much stronger critic of NS then i have been of IK. I believe that due to continuous army intervention our democracy never had a chance to mature and is still fragile. Any attempted short cuts could be detrimental to already fragile democracy. No matter how much rigged the elections were or how corrupt the rulers are, election must occur on scheduled time of 5 years, unless the term is reduced by constitutional amendments. Constitution is sacred and must be upheld at all cost. I hope i have made my opinions clear.

Hey they r ittahadi of u guys in centre remember they voted for NS for his PM candidature app log bohat bewaffa ho aik dou voton ko tou ghass bhi nahi daltay

 

[Altaf Lutfi]

We had agitated for implementation of Shareeah law under leadership of Maulana Maudoodi, Mufti Mehmood, Asghar Khan etc etc in Bhutto era with thousands jailed, dozens killed throughout the country and in the end we got General Zia who delievered Norcotics, IDPs, War and 4 million Afghans settling in Pakistan and taking away all kind of business from Pakistanis. We found ourselves more Sunni, Shia, Wahabi, Brelvi than Muslims in his time. So, thanks a lot, we shall take care of our faith ourselves, give us justice, hospitals, schools and good governance.

Case of Riba was decided by courts to be abolished but Nawaz Shareef appealed against the verdict and it is pending in Supreme Court for over 12 years. Kindly call "Jati Umrah " for details.

 

[Absent Mind]

Isy kehty hain Munafq ki pehchaan.
Aain ki 1 sy 40 tk ki shiqs kea islamic law mein nahi ati? Logon ko rozgar dena free taleem up-bringing of needy people, muft tibi imdaad aur ilaaj,jaan o maal ka tahafuz kea ye sab shairiyat sy bahir ki baten hain? Tasub aur bughz sy to Allah ki zaat mein b log khamiyan dhondna shuro kr dety hain. Itny hi ap fehm o frasat k malik hain to wo mutalbat jo abi tk qadri ny kiye hain unko b ghair islamic sabit kr den apky liye koi mushkil nahi hoga.
Aur nawaz interest ko khtm kry ga? Ap haqeeqt ki dunia mein wapis aa jaen.

 

[Absent Mind]

جس مشن پر شیخ السلام کو بھیجا گیا ہے اس میں اسلامی حکومت کا قیام شامل نہیں ہے
ان کا مشن تو لگتا ہے ملک کے اسلامی تشخص کو تباہ کرنا ہے
الله کے نظام کو رائج کرنے سے تو اپنے کردار کی نفی ہوتی ہے​

Khali dawon sy ni mohtram koi authentic baat b kr len.

 

[Absent Mind]

جس مشن پر شیخ السلام کو بھیجا گیا ہے اس میں اسلامی حکومت کا قیام شامل نہیں ہے
ان کا مشن تو لگتا ہے ملک کے اسلامی تشخص کو تباہ کرنا ہے
الله کے نظام کو رائج کرنے سے تو اپنے کردار کی نفی ہوتی ہے​

Khali dawon sy ni mohtram koi authentic baat b kr len.

 

[Respect]

Just to clarify, i am not a NS supporter. If you notice i have been a member on this forum since July of 2013 but only start contributing since may of this year when i got a whiff and sensed it myself that IK is now being driven by not so democratic forces and when i saw him surrounded by the likes of TUQ, sh rasheed and choudhry brother. Otherwise, after 2013 elections i was really happy that IK had won majority in KPK and was thrilled that he is going to turn KPK into a model for rest of the country to follow. I am a strong supporter of democratic process but a much stronger critic of military intervention in politics. So when i sensed that IK is playing in the hands of 'other' forces, i decided to come out strongly against it. Once this situation is resolved and dark shades over the democracy (however corrupt that is) are lifted, you will find me to be a much stronger critic of NS then i have been of IK. I believe that due to continuous army intervention our democracy never had a chance to mature and is still fragile. Any attempted short cuts could be detrimental to already fragile democracy. No matter how much rigged the elections were or how corrupt the rulers are, election must occur on scheduled time of 5 years, unless the term is reduced by constitutional amendments. Constitution is sacred and must be upheld at all cost. I hope i have made my opinions clear.

There is NO democracy in Pakistan the first step is free and fair elections the second is accountability, we have None of the points mentioned. The differbetween dictatorship and present system is one used the power of tank the other uses system tools to rigg elections and hides behind democracy. Due too bad governence and rigg elections it was the right decision to do. Sooner or later PTI would have had to do What they are doing today but preferably if they had four years in KPK and then come out it would have been more desirable. However due to pressure from supporters concerning rigg elections and the govt unwilling to open four constituencies and then TUQ Factor, events took us too Islamabad. If you remember IK said many times before 2013.elections we Will hit the streets if rigging is done, after PTI knocking on all doors of justice we got nothing.
PTI supporters are against corruption and rigging but you on the other hand are happy for it too carry on and say no matter how much rigging or corruption by rulers elections should take place in 5 years. That is quite amazing.

Even if KPK becomes dubai as long as the rigging machinery is still in tact no other party a part from PML N and PPP can Gain power.

For 18 years establishment has not helped IK when are they planning to do so, they had a Golden chance when tear gases and bullets were being tired at protestors they did not do so. I have no problem with them getting involved for them to make sure fresh and fair elections are done in Pakistan because the Lahore political parties do not want to do so because they are complicit in rigging and if done fairly the outcome could be so different. PML N need an excuses too slander IK so they use the establishment Card Despite we all know that they were nurseried in establishment.

As for TUQ and Shiekh Rasheed they are 100 times better than NS and Zardari

Summary

There is NO democracy the two points of free and fair elections and accountability we have neither, so too call this democracy is hypocricy. No evidence of establishment helping IK it Has been 18 years i do not see it and if they do plan to help i Will welcome it.

 

[Respect]

[MENTION=56680]wahreh[/MENTION]

PTI supporters are against corruption and rigging but amazingly u say no matter how corrupt they are and and how much rigging they have done elections should be done 5 years time.

This has been going on for decades is it not a matter of time that we stand up too these corrupt politicians who have rigged elections?

Nie long can we stay silent

 

[Janoon]

​Yeah BABA kisi aur kaam aaya hai..is ka Sharriat se kya Taaluq...

 

[shaikh]

We had agitated for implementabShareeah law under leadership of Maulana Maudoodi, Mufti Mehmood, Asghar Khan etc etc in Bhutto era with thousands jailed, dozens killed throughout the country and in the end we got General Zia who delievered Norcotics, IDPs, War and 4 million Afghans settling in Pakistan and taking away all kind of business from Pakistanis. We found ourselves more Sunni, Shia, Wahabi, Brelvi than Muslims in his time. So, thanks a lot, we shall take care of our faith ourselves, give us justice, hospitals, schools and good governance.

Case of Riba was decided by courts to be abolished but Nawaz Shareef appealed against the verdict and it is pending in Supreme Court for over 12 years. Kindly call "Jati Umrah " for details.

1977 agitation was 70% antibhutto alone agitation in the begining then it transformed into tahreek nizam mustafa , essentially it was a sunni tehrik and it overthrew a liberal and shia dominated Bhutto regime . Zia ceased upon it nizam mustafa aspect but shias and PPP opposed Islamic law under one or the other pretext , lawyers and some media people were at the forefront of opposing implementation of Islamic system of law . Mullah regime in Tehran disturbed the whole system of defense , Shah Iran support was instrumental in keeping a fan borders peaceful for us , with him gone ,khomenei in power , whether he blinked to keep sunni regime of Pakistan busy or whether Russians did it themselves , invasion of afghanistan by Russians made breathing space narrow . USA was under toothless carter , it took several years of Saudi support to even form a proper front , Guns started to come in border areas in this time , But not until civilian Junejo took over as PM , the gun and opium culture arrived in Punjab , Junejo was USA man in transformation . Zia took over reins of army in 1975 of a defeated Pakistan , he left in 1988 an undeclared nuclear Pakistan which had with western help on a small front defeated the largest athiestic empire in the history of mankind , the USSR .