Shining India Bubble about to burst

zhohaq

Minister (2k+ posts)
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/26/india-debt-bubble-boom-bust-pattern



None of the experts saw India's debt bubble coming. Sound familiar?

India's economic problems reflect a global boom-to-bust pattern. Why do policymakers act surprised?







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The Indian economy has been in trouble for quite a while already, and only wilful blindness could have led to ignorance on this.' Illustration: Daniel Pudles

So now India is the latest casualty among emerging economies.[HI] Over the past 10 days, the rupee has slid to its lowest-ever rate, and the Indian economy may well be on the verge of a full-blown currency crisis.[/HI] In this febrile situation, it is open season for rumours and pessimistic predictions, which then become self-fulfilling.

This means that even if there is a slight market rally, investors quickly work themselves into even more gloom. [HI]Each hurriedly announced policy measure (raising duties on gold imports, some controls on capital outflows, liberalising rules for capital inflows and so on) has had the opposite of the desired effect. Everything the government does seems to be too little, too late – or even counterproductive.[/HI]

[HI]These are all classic features of the panic phase of a financial market cycle[/HI]. This doesn't mean that a crash is inevitable, but clearly it is possible. The real surprise in all this is that investors and Indian policymakers are surprised. For some reason, they apparently did not foresee this turn of events, even though the story of every financial crisis of the past, and many in the very recent past, should have caused some nostrils to twitch at least a year or two ago.

[HI]The Indian economy has been in trouble for quite a while already, and only wilful blindness could have led to ignorance on this. Output growth has been decelerating for several years, and private investment has fallen for 10 consecutive quarters. Industrial production has declined over the past year. But consumer price inflation is still in double digits, providing all the essential elements of stagflation (rising prices with slowing income growth).

At the moment the external sector is the weakest link. Exports are limping along but imports have ballooned (including all kinds of non-essential imports like gold), so both trade and current account deficits are at historically high levels. They are largely financed by volatile short-term capital. This has already started leaving the country: since June more than $12bn has been withdrawn by portfolio investors alone.[/HI]

This situation is the result of internal and external imbalances that have been building up for years. The Indian economic boom was based on a debt-driven consumption and investment spree that mainly relied on short-term capital inflows. This generated asset booms in areas such as construction and real estate, rather than in traded goods. And it created a sense of financial euphoria that led to massive over-extension of credit to both companies and households, to compound the problem.

Sadly, this boom was also "wasted" in that it did not lead to significant improvements in the lives of the majority, as public expenditure on basic infrastructure, as well as nutrition, health, sanitation and education did not rise adequately. We should know by now that such a debt-driven bubble is an unsustainable process that must end in tears, but those who pointed this out were derided as killjoys with no understanding of India's potential. Something similar is occurring in a number of other Asian economies that are also feeling the pain at present, such as Indonesia – while the Brazilian economy shows some similar features. The current Indian problems may be extreme, but they reflect what should now be a familiar process in all major regions of the world.

The typical story, which was elaborated half a century ago by Charles Kindleberger, goes something like this: a country is "discovered" by international investors and therefore receives substantial capital inflows. These contribute to a domestic boom, and also push up the real exchange rate. This reduces the incentives for exporters and producers of import substitutes, so investors look for avenues in the non-tradable sectors, such as construction and real estate. So the boom is marked by rising asset values, of real estate and of stocks. The counterpart of all this is a rising current account deficit, which no one pays much attention to as long as the money keeps flowing in and the economy keeps growing.

But all bubbles must eventually burst. All it takes is some change in perception for the entire process to unravel, and then it can unravel very quickly. The trigger can be a change in global conditions, or a sharp slowdown in domestic income growth, or political instability, or even economic problems in a neighbouring country. In India Ben Bernanke of the US Federal Reserve is being blamed for bringing this on, but it could easily have been some other factor. Once the "revulsion" in markets sets in, the very features that were celebrated during the boom are excoriated – by both investors and the public – as examples of crony capitalism, inefficiency and such like. The resulting financial crisis hits those who did not really benefit so much from the boom, by affecting employment and the incomes of workers.

This is what has just started to happen in India, and is also likely to happen in several other emerging markets. But essentially the same process has already unfolded many times before in different parts of the world: Latin America in the 1980s, Mexico in 1994-95, south-east Asia in 1997-98, Russia in 1999-2000, Argentina in 2001-02, the US in 2008, Ireland and Greece in 2009, and so on.
Why are we so startled each time? And why do we never, ever, see it coming?


 
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delta_paki

MPA (400+ posts)
War can unite country, allow govt to pass tough political, economic reforms.
Increase Military Industry production and consumption and stimulate economy.
In the long term. In short term its only destruction and bankruptcy. Ref. Germany immediately after World War I but you see, you are right, Germany went through an economic facelift after that and came back way stronger in World War II.
 

sahirmushtaq

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)



بھارت کو دنیا جتنی بیساکھیاں دے بھارت ایک لنگڑی لولی ریاست ہے


فرسودہ سماج کبھی بھی چمک نہیں سکتا البتہ خواتین کے لیے جہنم ضرور بن چکا ہے
 

Indyeah

Voter (50+ posts)
This is due to govt policies not due to external pressure.This govt is set to go and condition of eco is going to be worst.
so welcome Narendra Modi for 2014..
 

alimohsan52

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Waiting for Indian bubble to burst are you? Every economy goes through ups and down. We will come back

No God forbid, we Pakistanis are not that small hearted, we hope there is growth which reduces poverty. However it is India which is petty hearted day and night talks about breaking Pakistan. It interferes in our Internal matters by telling the Chinese not to invest in economic projects
 

Unicorn

Banned
No God forbid, we Pakistanis are not that small hearted, we hope there is growth which reduces poverty. However it is India which is petty hearted day and night talks about breaking Pakistan. It interferes in our Internal matters by telling the Chinese not to invest in economic projects

We never talk about breaking Pakistan until you guys start attacking us. India has never told China not to invest in Pakistan it forward its concern about having their Navy in Gawadar port. They said that they don't have intention of that and that was end of that(yapping)
 

drkjke

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
its about time! by the way some one said long ago that india will attack Pakistan at time when its economy will be sinking.muslims be prepared!
 

Imranpak

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Even during India's economic boom hundred's of million's were living in massive poverty phir aisi baton ka fayeda hi kya!!;) Dil khush karne ke liye theek hai ke economy paise bana rehi hai baharal jis shaks ne theen dino se kuch khaya nehin zara oss se bhi tho poocho. Ultimately it depends one what a nation deems as being called a "success".
 
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only_truths

Minister (2k+ posts)
baharal jis shaks ne theen dino se kuch khaya nehin zara oss se bhi tho poocho. .

"India's lower house of parliament has passed a flagship $22bn programme to provide subsidised food to the poor.The national Food Security Bill will entitle 67 per cent of Indians to highly subsidised food. By giving cheap grain to the poor, the government is intending to wipe out endemic hunger and malnutrition across the country."

quote: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia/2013/08/2013826174156521956.html
 

Star Gazer

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Waiting for Indian bubble to burst are you? Every economy goes through ups and down. We will come back

Why do you think every one thinks like you?
this is just a news item posted by a member and what you see is what you think No one is waiting for the bubble to burst just reporting something which seems like a possibility.
 

Star Gazer

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
"India's lower house of parliament has passed a flagship $22bn programme to provide subsidised food to the poor.The national Food Security Bill will entitle 67 per cent of Indians to highly subsidised food. By giving cheap grain to the poor, the government is intending to wipe out endemic hunger and malnutrition across the country."

quote: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia/2013/08/2013826174156521956.html

22 billion rupees for 700 million people will last for how many days? and what after that?
 

Unicorn

Banned
Why do you think every one thinks like you?
this is just a news item posted by a member and what you see is what you think No one is waiting for the bubble to burst just reporting something which seems like a possibility.

I got no objection to the news my comments are directed at some of replies
 

Imranpak

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
"India's lower house of parliament has passed a flagship $22bn programme to provide subsidised food to the poor.The national Food Security Bill will entitle 67 per cent of Indians to highly subsidised food. By giving cheap grain to the poor, the government is intending to wipe out endemic hunger and malnutrition across the country."

quote: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia/2013/08/2013826174156521956.html

Good initiative. Come back when your poverty decreases by millions.