Sharia punishments are the best to deter all sorts of crimes.

[Mulhid]

Oldest' Koran fragments found in Birmingham University

Bro those are fragments of a few pages here and there. It’s not a Quran.

The Uthman’s 7th century Quran is a myth and narrative created by Abbasids hadiths. And this fool keeps repeating it while calling Abbasids liars at same time.

 

[Wake up Pak]

Bro those are fragments of a few pages here and there. It’s not a Quran.

The Uthman’s 7th century Quran is a myth and narrative created by Abbasids hadiths. And this fool keeps repeating it while calling Abbasids liars at same time.

It does corroborate with the Abbasid period so the Quran of today is the same as which existed during the Prophet Muhammad's life .

 

[arifkarim]

It does corroborate with the Abbasid period so the Quran of today is the same as which existed during the Prophet Muhammad's life .

Does that include Satanic Verses as the original one had them too?

Satanic Verses - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Taalib-e-Haq]

They aint claims? You've never heard about hafiz ul Qurans? You have one right here debating with you in this very thread and as Muslims we all memorize some part of the Quran even if a little, its part of our daily prayers. If you don't believe me Just go to any mosque at any prayer and listen to the imam recite passages of the Quran by heart on a daily basis.

Brother all the claims he is espousing are empty accusations from the orientalists. Iski apni koi actual academic research nahin hai. He collects information from other so-called researchers and then blurts it out on his youtube channel and he joined Siasat Pk to spread his crap here as well.

His idol Richard Dawkins has been refuted by his peer in the British Academia Sir Rupert Sheldrake. Read his book The Science Delusion. Its about how dogmatic science is today. And they have the nerve to talk about Islam and Dogma.

He has not read the Quran cover to cover. Does not know one word of Arabic. The arabic word for slave is "Abd". He is confused between what "Abd means and what Malakat Aymaan means.

Modern day Abu Jahal. He knows yet wants to be ignorant. The irony of it.

The Prophet (SAWS) gave us the description of people who will leave the religion like an arrow leaves a bow.

Talk about who ran away!??

May Allah make him a Muslim so that he becomes a Shaheed and goes to Firdous. Ameen!

 

[arifkarim]

The Science Delusion.

Science is not a belief system. It's a method of inquiry. You are confusing science with materialism, that is what the author made critique of in his book:
"But should science be a belief-system, or a method of enquiry? Sheldrake shows that the materialist ideology is moribund; under its sway, increasingly expensive research is reaping diminishing returns.
In the skeptical spirit of true science, Sheldrake turns the ten fundamental dogmas of materialism into exciting questions, and shows how all of them open up startling new possibilities."

Amazon.com

 

[Mulhid]

It does corroborate with the Abbasid period so the Quran of today is the same as which existed during the Prophet Muhammad's life .

It doesn’t. They are missing diacritical marks and the other old parchments such as Sanaa don’t match Abbasid Qurans.

632/634: Muhammad dies
661-750: Umayyad Empire (All coins of Umayyad Emperors show no signs of Islam or Muhammad. Until reign of Abdel Malik in 690s.
690: First mention of Muhammad and religion called Islam and Dome of Rock built in Jerusalem.
750: Abbasid Caliphate starts
818: Prophets Biography is written
850: Hadiths are written
800-900: Around same time modern Quran's show up.

 

[Taalib-e-Haq]

Science is not a belief system. It's a method of inquiry. You are confusing science with materialism, that is what the author made critique of in his book:
"But should science be a belief-system, or a method of enquiry? Sheldrake shows that the materialist ideology is moribund; under its sway, increasingly expensive research is reaping diminishing returns.
In the skeptical spirit of true science, Sheldrake turns the ten fundamental dogmas of materialism into exciting questions, and shows how all of them open up startling new possibilities."

Amazon.com

Science was a method of inquiry. It became a belief system when it started shaping world views and affecting social mores and norms. Mehcanistic model hi parhlen bhai jaan Descarte ka. Post modern science ka haal. Age of discovery is ending, if it already hasn't. The modern western civilization is in decline. Open your eyes.

Atheism is. And they use science as a crutch to explain their dogmatic purview of the universe.

Have you read it? Do you know who Sheldrake is?

 

[arifkarim]

Science was a method of inquiry.

Was? It still is and will always be. All the advances in technology, medicine etc is all thanks to scientific inquiry. Without it you wouldn't be spewing BS on the internet, which is yet another scientific invention.

 

[Citizen X]

Well I’ll book mark this thread as a proof of your ignorance and how you ran away from a debate with your tail tucked between your legs when questioned on authencity of Quran. I left you with no ground to stand on.

LOL. Wha'eva' trevor, if it makes you sleep at night better. This is what you wanted to do along isn't it. Win. Had no interest in a discussion. Just want to shove your shit down other peoples throat, the very thing you accuse others of.

I should've listened to my own advice from post number 14! lol

"I know you lot are raring to go 24/7 and just waiting for someone to bring this topic up so you can get it off your chests. Obviously you've made up your mind, and it was a long drawn out process and you did your research and came up with a conclusion that satisfied you. So there is nothing I can say or do that will change your mind, so why bother and I'm not really in the mood for a lengthy debate."

 

[arifkarim]

It doesn’t. They are missing diacritical marks and the other old parchments such as Sanaa don’t match Abbasid Qurans.

632/634: Muhammad dies
661-750: Umayyad Empire (All coins of Umayyad Emperors show no signs of Islam or Muhammad.
690: First mention of Muhammad and religion called Islam and Dome of Rock built in Jerusalem.
750: Abbasid Caliphate starts
818: Biography is written
850: Hadiths are written
800-900: Around same time modern Quran's show up.

You can't debate logically with Muslims. It is impossible.

 

[Wake up Pak]

It doesn’t. They are missing diacritical marks and the other old parchments such as Sanaa don’t match Abbasid Qurans.

632/634: Muhammad dies
661-750: Umayyad Empire (All coins of Umayyad Emperors show now signs of Islam or Muhammad.
690: First mention of Muhammad and religion called Islam and Dome of Rock built in Jerusalem.
750: Abbasid Caliphate starts
818: Biography is written
850: Hadiths are written
800-900: Around same time modern Quran's show up.

Believe what you think is right but the fact remains that the Quran we have today is the original message delivered to Prophet Muhammad pbuh.
Now what you say or write is all irrelevant.

 

[arifkarim]

LOL. Wha'eva' trevor, if it makes you sleep at night better. This is what you wanted to do along isn't it. Win. Had no interest in a discussion. Just want to shove your shit down other peoples throat, the very thing you accuse others of.

I should've listened to my own advice from post number 14! lol

"I know you lot are raring to go 24/7 and just waiting for someone to bring this topic up so you can get it off your chests. Obviously you've made up your mind, and it was a long drawn out process and you did your research and came up with a conclusion that satisfied you. So there is nothing I can say or do that will change your mind, so why bother and I'm not really in the mood for a lengthy debate."

There is nothing to debate here. He is an atheist who strictly follows logic, while you are believer who strictly follows dogma. You two can only agree to disagree.

 

[Citizen X]

You can't debate logically with Muslims.

You include your self in this, since you've claimed multiple times here to be a Muslim?

 

[Mulhid]

LOL. Wha'eva' trevor, if it makes you sleep at night better.

There’s no point arguing with an ignorant person like you. You will just plug your ears and keep repeating lalala.

There are other sensible people who are atleast reading what I am saying and responding to it.

You are neither agreeing or disagreeing so go waste someone else’s time.

 

[arifkarim]

Believe what you think is right but the fact remains that the Quran we have today is the original message delivered to Prophet Muhammad pbuh.

Fact remains that this is still only belief of Muslims.

 

[Citizen X]

There is nothing to debate. He is an atheist who strictly follows logic, while you are believer who strictly follows dogma. You two can only agree to disagree.

And you are?

 

[arifkarim]

You include your self in this, since you've claimed multiple times here to be a Muslim?

Of course. Religion is not a logical thing, so if I start debating religion with you, it would become an illogical debate.

 

[Wake up Pak]

And you are?

Baygani shadi may Abdullah deewana.​

 

[Mulhid]

Quran we have today is the original message delivered to Prophet Muhammad pbuh.

Don’t mix belief with fact.

Your belief is that Quran is the original message.

Fact is that we cannot find this original Quran before the time of Abbasids nor any clue of anyone by name of Muhammad.

There are historic personalities that match description of Muhammad from time of Muhammad but they are all from North Arabia and the script of Quran is also from North Arabia in Kufa. So the story does not add up. And the facts don’t support the beliefs.

Even the Hafs Quran that you read today is not in Hejazi Arabic Script, it’s in Kufic script and Kufa is in Iraq where Abbasids ruled from.

 

[Wake up Pak]

You include your self in this, since you've claimed multiple times here to be a Muslim?

He is not a Muslim but an atheist