You are playing on both sides of the court.
One side you are saying Abbasids are not reliable
On other side you are saying that the Quran that Abbasids left us is reliable.
Sharia punishments are the best to deter all sorts of crimes.
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You are playing on both sides of the court.
One side you are saying Abbasids are not reliable
On other side you are saying that the Quran that Abbasids left us is reliable.
My claim is that the Quran was compiled by Abbasids and I can show you copies of Quran from Abbasid times.
Your claim is that Quran was not compiled by Abassids but by Muhammd in 7th century and is being memorized since then. Can you share any evidence to back that?
Those are all claims. You are only asking me to back up my claims but refusing to holding yourself to the same standard.
Citizen X
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LOL I have to agree with Taalib-e-Haq you do make up shit on the fly. I never said no such thing. It is you is claiming that that the abbasids blah blah blah
Citizen X
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You keep saying but till date haven't shown shit jack.
P.S: Calm TF down man. Why are you're fonts getting bigger! lol You think bigger fonts will give more credence to your baseless argument. Whats next all caps and colours! lol
Relax. My font is aways 18, sometimes I forget it make it 18.
What did I make up?
Citizen X
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They aint claims? You've never heard about hafiz ul Qurans? You have one right here debating with you in this very thread and as Muslims we all memorize some part of the Quran even if a little, its part of our daily prayers. If you don't believe me Just go to any mosque at any prayer and listen to the imam recite passages of the Quran by heart on a daily basis.
Citizen X
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Hahaha man you're desperate and it shows. You're the one claiming the Quran is invented by abbabooboo or whoever and then claiming we follow the that made up Quran. This is a product of your own faulty logic.
Dont strawman me, I am not talking about 21st century Hafiz.
You are claiming a full copy of Quran existed at time of Muhammad and revealed to him by Gabrial in 7th century and people have been memorizing since then - That is a claim that needs to be back up.
We have found no evidence of a complete Quran in 7th century that hasnt changed until 21st century.
Citizen X
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Check the quote in that post. Thats what.
The oldest complete Qurans that can be comparable to the Qurans we have today go back to Abbasid period. Thats a fact.
Citizen X
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lol who is this we, you talk about.
Anyways man I truly am sick of you and your bullshit claims man, I'll prove this and I'll prove that I'll show you this evidence and I will show you that evidence and its been two bloody days and all you have managed to do is make worthless wild claims and accusations and have the audacity to ask us prove them for you! Sigh! ?
Good luck playing with yourself
You are neither agreeing with me nor disagreeing with me. I think you are just wasting everyones time.
I did prove it. The oldest Quran we have that is compareble to modern Quran only goes back to the Abbasid period.
Thats a fact. Now you can either agree with that or disagree with that. But you wont because you are confused and have no position.
Yeah dude Ive been showing you this since two days and you just ignore it.
I dont know how many times I repeated the fact that the oldest complete Quran goes back to Abbasid period.
I dont know whether you choose to ignore that fact or your brain blacks our or what happens to you but you dont agree with it or disagree with it. You just ignore it, plug your ears and keep repeating yourself as if you are having a brain freeze.
Here is more evidence.
The Ma'il Quran is the oldest one that is somewhat complete and is somewhat comparable. Its only 67% complete and is from 8th century. Currenty Kept in British Library.
There is nothing more complete and older than this.
The British Library’s oldest Qur’an manuscript now online
The British Library’s oldest Qur’ān manuscript, Or.2165, dating from the eighth century, has now been fully digitised and is available on the British Library's Digitised Manuscripts site. Among the most ancient copies of the Qurʼān, it comprises 121 folios containing over two-thirds of the...
Wake up Pak
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Oldest' Koran fragments found in Birmingham University
Oldest texts
When a PhD researcher, Alba Fedeli, looked more closely at these pages it was decided to carry out a radiocarbon dating test and the results were "startling".The university's director of special collections, Susan Worrall, said researchers had not expected "in our wildest dreams" that it would be so old.
Finding out we had one of the oldest fragments of the Koran in the whole world has been fantastically exciting."
The tests, carried out by the Oxford University Radiocarbon Accelerator Unit, showed that the fragments, written on sheep or goat skin, were among the very oldest surviving texts of the Koran.
These tests provide a range of dates, showing that, with a probability of more than 95%, the parchment was from between 568 and 645.
They could well take us back to within a few years of the actual founding of Islam," said David Thomas, the university's professor of Christianity and Islam.
These fragments do corroborate with the 21st Quran.
Even if we compare it with the Abbasi period (as claimed by the mulhid) it does corroborate as well.
Well I’ll book mark this thread as a proof of your ignorance and how you ran away from a debate with your tail tucked between your legs when questioned on authencity of Quran. I left you with no ground to stand on.
