PTI itself knows Imran's Taliban Policy is wrong

mehwish_ali

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
یہ پی ٹی آئی کے شفقت محمود کا آرٹیکل ہے جو انہوں نے اپریل 2009 میں طالبانی فتنے کے متعلق لکھا تھا۔

سن 2009 میں وہ کہتے ہیں طالبان کے خلاف کوئی کنفیوژن نہیں ہے۔

مگر آج 2013 ستمبر بھی پی ٹی آئی طالبان کے خلاف کنفیوزڈ ہے۔



http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDetail.aspx?ID=170519&Cat=9&dt=4/3/2009

No more confusion on terrorism

Reality check



Shafqat Mahmood
Friday, April 03, 2009
From Print Edition



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Three main challenges we face as a nation came together last Monday. Terror came to haunt us again in Lahore with the attack on the Manawan Police Training School. Despite prior information, the lack of preparedness displayed by the police spotlighted our crisis of governance. And political change played its part through the unfamiliarity of newly shuffled officials' with their jobs and diversion of their focus to survival in office.



The blanket media coverage also demonstrated our hopeless amateurishness in tackling emergencies. The police response seemed uncoordinated and purposeless. Isolated individuals were firing guns in apparently aimless direction and, it often felt, as if for the benefit of TV cameras. It was good that a terrorist was caught but then the law enforcers almost kicked him to death. Again, why he was dragged through a slogan-chanting crowd who could have easily pummelled him to death is beyond me.



It was also embarrassing to watch, considering international media coverage, the way the injured were being taken away. There seemed to be a shortage of stretchers because many profusely bleeding wounded were carted via their hand and feet. It surely would have aggravated their injuries. Ambulances also seemed to be scarce. And this in the provincial capital, Lahore! What the scene would be in smaller places can only be imagined.



All this can be put under the rubric of crisis of governance. The police are neither properly organised nor trained for such emergencies. Taking care of the wounded in such situations and their shifting to a medical facility is quite a science and we are nowhere close to getting it. But the real tragedy was not the gloss put on the event but media commentators.



It is truly sad that there are people among us who still refuse to recognise that we face a home grown challenge of extremism. They put all the blame on the American presence in Afghanistan. There is little doubt that the thirty-year war in that country, and the way Americans have gone about conducting the occupation after 9/11, have contributed to extremism in Pakistan. Some of our domestic terror attacks are related to it. But that is only a part of the problem.



We also a face a problem of extremism within the country and these people will stop at nothing short of taking over the state. Inch by inch they are creating a space for themselves. They have virtually taken control of Swat and, as events of the last few days have demonstrated, are moving strongly into Dir. This is not anger against the Americans. It is fight for power.



In places where they can take on the state apparatus directly, they don't shy of doing so. Besides the places they have already captured, like the tribal area and Swat, they are actively challenging the state in many parts of the Frontier. In provinces like Punjab, where they are not yet in a position to confront the state machinery, they indulge in acts of terror. This is not rocket science. Yet some people still don't get it.



Another level of extremist incursion has been written about by columnist Kamal Siddiqui in this paper. There are enough examples of women being openly harassed in many of our cities, sometimes with guns, for being "immodestly dressed." Other examples also abound. This is insidious extremism that is not so visible but is affecting the life of ordinary people everywhere. It has nothing to do with American presence in Afghanistan.



We have a weak state apparatus and there is not one cause for it, though our frequent experimentations, particularly the last one by Musharraf, have played havoc with it. It will take quite an effort to rebuild it, but this will not happen if we do not have a consensus about the nature of the terrorist challenge we face. The confusion we face on this score is the principal impediment.



Let us face it. There are some opinion-makers amongst us who would rather have a Taliban-type state in our country. They eulogise the rule of Mullah Umar in Afghanistan and want something similar here. They are welcome to their views, but their frequent access to mass media spreads confusion.



The people of this country, in election after election, have chosen moderate parties to rule over them. They do not subscribe to any extremist or medieval interpretation of how a state should be run. Yet, by supplying them with a convenient American scapegoat for their woes, the Taliban sympathisers hinder the emergence of a broad national consensus. And, without it, the state will never have the single-minded determination that is needed to fight the menace of internal terrorism.



This confusion is reflected in the mantra of dialogue and peace deals that even moderate parties succumb to. It is now widely recognised that the peace deals Musharraf negotiated in the tribal areas strengthened people like Baitullah Mehsud. Now Mehsud controls most of FATA, either directly or through proxies.



The peace deal in Swat too is now becoming an obvious failure. Yes, it has given the poor people of that valley some respite from violence, but this has been bought by ceding control of territory. There are newspaper reports that the insurgents have started to take over emerald mines by force. This can happen only because they are in control. Is this what we wanted from this peace?



A serious test is now coming in the shape of President Obama's policy for what is now being called, to our discomfort, Af-Pak. Being linked with a seriously dysfunctional country like Afghanistan is not pleasant. What is more worrying is Obama's fear that the next attack on the US is likely to emanate from the Pakistani tribal areas. And since the new and narrowly defined objective of American presence in Afghanistan is the protection of the American homeland against attacks by non state actors, we can expect much greater American focus on Pakistan.



There is a fair amount of aid in the pipeline, but unlike what happened during the Bush administration, it is going to be measured against benchmarks of success. One view is to look at this as a selling our soul for a few pennies, but another view can, and should, be that we have to move against extremism for our own good. We rightly worry about our sovereignty and its violation through drone attacks. Why do we not feel any anguish that large parts of our tribal territory are infested by foreigners?



Drone attacks are not good, but every time they happen, it is largely foreigners who are killed. Why is it that we worry about the one aspect but not the other? Clearly, the world is deeply concerned about the presence of extremist elements in our country who threaten their security. If we do not take notice of their concern, they will not wait for us to get our act together.



It is this challenge that we have to meet. We will have to demonstrate to the international community that we are a responsible nation that will not allow people on its territory to threaten them. In the process of addressing this concern, we will also redeem ourselves from the scourge of extremism.

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alimohsan52

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Albeit I am not in favour of talks with Taliban. However, I would say MQM is no different to Taliban either. The International media is realizing this as well.

Non Muslims are forced to pay fitrana and Zakat to MQM in Karachi.


 

fawad ali

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Zardari policy and Musharaf policy has done no good either. so let's try Imran's policy and see if it changes anything. No one has claimed todays incident, so don't rush into conclusions. There is a good chance that Americans/Indians have increased their activities to sabotage our peace talks.
 

sabirmughal

Minister (2k+ posts)
Dear hamshera mahwish

Shafaq sb ny khud TV par kaha tha k main Imran Khan sy mukhtalif sooch rakhta tha Taliban k liye

magar wakt ny proof kar diya k Imran Khan sahi kahta tha



[h=2]IMRAN KHAN'S VISION FOR PEACE BY SHAFQAT MAHMOOD[/h]
October 15, 2012 at 4:27pm
IMRAN KHAN'S VISION FOR PEACE

BY SHAFQAT MAHMOOD


After the tragic Malala incident, the issue of militancy and terrorism has naturally taken centre stage. It is our number one security challenge. If the base is not secure, the ability to face any external threat is severely undermined.

While much hand wringing is done about it in the media, there are very few concrete ideas on how to tackle
it. Kill them all is no policy, as many of our so-called liberal commentators would have us believe. The word so called is judiciously used here. Pakistani liberals are the only liberals in the world who believe in war.

They support drone strikes and unadulterated military action. While rightly grieving for Malala they are not ready to spare a thought for women and children killed by drones or who are likely to get caught up in an all out conflict. They never countenance the possibility of a solution, less painful and drastic.

Funnily or tragically the same people completely change tack when it comes to Baluchistan. Their militaristic pseudo liberal garb suddenly morphs into the genuine article. Doves get emblazoned all over and the chant changes from kill them all to make love not war.

The Baluch Liberation Army (BLA) wants to break up the country. It has carried out a virtual ethnic cleansing of Punjabi settlers from the province. Its tactics are brutal. Women, children, the aged all are targeted. Yet, this is all invisible to our liberal friends.

In Baluchistan they see missing persons and dead bodies and condemn the military. In FATA they see missing persons and dead bodies and praise the military. And also the Americans for their great weapon of peace, the drones. In FATA it is scorched earth; kill them all. In Baluchistan, love the killers even if they collaborate with our worst enemies and want to destroy Pakistan.

Only war as a policy is wrong, just as only negotiations as a policy is meaningless. The right balance is captured best though a bit tritely in talk talk, fight fight. You talk to those who are ready to talk and you fight those who are not. Sometimes you talk and fight at the same time.

The end goal has to be the cessation of fighting and a negotiated settlement. This is what Imran Khan believes in. You cant kill your way to peace because even if successful it is the peace of the dead. Many dead. Hundreds, thousands perhaps, tens of thousand dead. A virtual genocide.

That is a bad path to peace even if it were possible. And it seldom is. Liberals Pakistani style who should rightly be called eclectics - they change their stripes from tigers to doves depending on the conflict often quote Sri Lankas outright military victory as a model. This is typical oversimplification. It was a different battle, different circumstances. Against a minority in an Island with few escape routes. Still it took 30 years. Not really relevant to our situation.

We have to isolate the really bad eggs from those who are reconcilable. And yes, there is no shortage of savages in the Taliban ranks. Those TTP types who claim responsibility for shooting Malala are nothing but savages. Imran Khan condemned them by name when he went to a Peshawar hospital to see her. PTI condemned them. I, the Info Secretary did on behalf of the party on talk shows. Yet the propaganda persists that Imran Khan and PTI are soft on terrorists.

No Sir, Imran Khan is not soft on terrorists. Imran Khan and his party always condemn terrorist attacks and its perpetrators. The difference is that Imran Khan is the only politician in Pakistan who has a comprehensive vision for peace. Based on talk talk but never ruling out fight fight.

Why is talk talk necessary? Taliban are neither a monolithic entity nor everyone among them is out to capture the state by force. Many, perhaps a majority, are fighting a private war because their families, their loved ones, their close relatives, have been killed by drone strikes or military action. They want revenge because they have been brutalised and these people do not find it easy to forgive.

They are not the hard-core ideologues. They are more often the foot soldiers or minor commanders. Their agenda is simple. Kill those who killed their kith and kin. If they find a partner for peace they can trust; someone whom they do not consider to be talking with a forked tongue yes we have made promises and not kept them they will talk. They can reconcile. They can give up the fight. Provided their opposite number is someone they can trust.

Not all would. There are foreigners out there who gain nothing through peace with Pakistan. There are our own ideologues Punjabi, Pakhtun indeed all shades of our people who have no desire to reconcile. They do indeed want to capture the state. They will fight to the bitter end. And we must fight them.

But, the vision that Imran Khan has is that a large majority IS reconcilable. They can be won over through a credible peace initiative. This would leave the dead enders, perhaps ten or twenty percent of the total fighting force. Denied of an army they would turn to criminality as some are already doing. They are the ones that can be tackled by force.

So friends Imran Khan does not have a simplistic vision for peace in FATA. In fact he is the only one with a plan. And this extends to reducing extremism all over the country through a total revamping of syllabi to make for a common system of education. He has a vision to cement the cleavages in the mind.

This gulf is what really bedevils us. We live together and share the same land, breath the same air but are divided by an apartheid of the mind. So if we really want to move forward it is this cognitive dissonance, between one people and one nation, that would have to be eliminated. We dont just need guns to kill extremism. We need pathways to peoples minds.

It is these different elements that constitute the essentials of a plan In Imran Khans mind. Not something routinely caricaturised in the media is as a one line agenda of only talking to the militants. This quasi demonization of Imran suits the warmongering liberals here is an oxymoron if there ever was one because in the political spectrum his is the only voice calling for winning hearts and minds. Isnt this what the Americans say all the time?

Guerrillas/militants/insurgents chose whatever term you like swim in a sea of sympathetic people. Deny them this oxygen and they will wither and die. This is in essence is the vision of Imran.

Shafqat MehmoodCentral Information Secreatery Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf
 
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samkhan

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
طالبان نے تو 2006 دہشتگردی شروع کی ہے جبکہ ایم کیو ایم تو 1986 سے ہی یہ کام کرتی آ رہی ہے. دونوں میں بس ایک ہی فرق ہے. وہ یہ کہ طالبان دہشتگردی کر کے ذمہ داری قبول کرتے ہیں جبکہ الطاف جھوٹ اور ڈرامہ بازی کر کے دوسروں پر ٹوپی رکھ دیتا ہے
 

Machar

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Albeit I am not in favour of talks with Taliban. However, I would say MQM is no different to Taliban either. The International media is realizing this as well.

Non Muslims are forced to pay fitrana and Zakat to MQM in Karachi.



sorry lala galti se dislike ho gaya.
 

Mikkix

Minister (2k+ posts)
Dear hamshera mahwish

Shafaq sb ny khud TV par kaha tha k main Imran Khan sy mukhtalif sooch rakhta tha Taliban k liye

magar wakt ny proof kar diya k Imran Khan sahi kahta tha



IMRAN KHAN'S VISION FOR PEACE BY SHAFQAT MAHMOOD


October 15, 2012 at 4:27pm
IMRAN KHAN'S VISION FOR PEACE

BY SHAFQAT MAHMOOD


After the tragic Malala incident, the issue of militancy and terrorism has naturally taken centre stage. It is our number one security challenge. If the base is not secure, the ability to face any external threat is severely undermined.

While much hand wringing is done about it in the media, there are very few concrete ideas on how to tackle
it. ‘Kill them all’ is no policy, as many of our so-called liberal commentators would have us believe. The word so called is judiciously used here. Pakistani liberals are the only liberals in the world who believe in war.

They support drone strikes and unadulterated military action. While rightly grieving for Malala they are not ready to spare a thought for women and children killed by drones or who are likely to get caught up in an all out conflict. They never countenance the possibility of a solution, less painful and drastic.

Funnily or tragically the same people completely change tack when it comes to Baluchistan. Their militaristic pseudo liberal garb suddenly morphs into the genuine article. Doves get emblazoned all over and the chant changes from ‘kill them all’ to ‘make love not war’.

The Baluch Liberation Army (BLA) wants to break up the country. It has carried out a virtual ethnic cleansing of Punjabi settlers from the province. Its tactics are brutal. Women, children, the aged all are targeted. Yet, this is all invisible to our liberal friends.

In Baluchistan they see missing persons and dead bodies and condemn the military. In FATA they see missing persons and dead bodies and praise the military. And also the Americans for their great weapon of peace, the drones. In FATA it is scorched earth; kill them all. In Baluchistan, love the killers even if they collaborate with our worst enemies and want to destroy Pakistan.

Only war as a policy is wrong, just as only negotiations as a policy is meaningless. The right balance is captured best though a bit tritely in ‘talk talk, fight fight’. You talk to those who are ready to talk and you fight those who are not. Sometimes you talk and fight at the same time.

The end goal has to be the cessation of fighting and a negotiated settlement. This is what Imran Khan believes in. You can’t kill your way to peace because even if successful it is the peace of the dead. Many dead. Hundreds, thousands perhaps, tens of thousand dead. A virtual genocide.

That is a bad path to peace even if it were possible. And it seldom is. Liberals Pakistani style who should rightly be called ‘eclectics’ - they change their stripes from tigers to doves depending on the conflict – often quote Sri Lanka’s outright military victory as a model. This is typical oversimplification. It was a different battle, different circumstances. Against a minority in an Island with few escape routes. Still it took 30 years. Not really relevant to our situation.

We have to isolate the really bad eggs from those who are reconcilable. And yes, there is no shortage of savages in the Taliban ranks. Those TTP types who claim responsibility for shooting Malala are nothing but savages. Imran Khan condemned them by name when he went to a Peshawar hospital to see her. PTI condemned them. I, the Info Secretary did on behalf of the party on talk shows. Yet the propaganda persists that Imran Khan and PTI are soft on terrorists.

No Sir, Imran Khan is not soft on terrorists. Imran Khan and his party always condemn terrorist attacks and its perpetrators. The difference is that Imran Khan is the only politician in Pakistan who has a comprehensive vision for peace. Based on ‘talk talk’ but never ruling out ‘fight fight’.

Why is ‘talk talk’ necessary? Taliban are neither a monolithic entity nor everyone among them is out to capture the state by force. Many, perhaps a majority, are fighting a private war because their families, their loved ones, their close relatives, have been killed by drone strikes or military action. They want revenge because they have been brutalised and these people do not find it easy to forgive.

They are not the hard-core ideologues. They are more often the foot soldiers or minor commanders. Their agenda is simple. Kill those who killed their kith and kin. If they find a partner for peace they can trust; someone whom they do not consider to be talking with a forked tongue – yes we have made promises and not kept them – they will talk. They can reconcile. They can give up the fight. Provided their opposite number is someone they can trust.

Not all would. There are foreigners out there who gain nothing through peace with Pakistan. There are our own ideologues – Punjabi, Pakhtun indeed all shades of our people – who have no desire to reconcile. They do indeed want to capture the state. They will fight to the bitter end. And we must fight them.

But, the vision that Imran Khan has is that a large majority IS reconcilable. They can be won over through a credible peace initiative. This would leave the dead enders, perhaps ten or twenty percent of the total fighting force. Denied of an army they would turn to criminality as some are already doing. They are the ones that can be tackled by force.

So friends Imran Khan does not have a simplistic vision for peace in FATA. In fact he is the only one with a plan. And this extends to reducing extremism all over the country through a total revamping of syllabi to make for a common system of education. He has a vision to cement the cleavages in the mind.

This gulf is what really bedevils us. We live together and share the same land, breath the same air but are divided by an apartheid of the mind. So if we really want to move forward it is this cognitive dissonance, between one people and one nation, that would have to be eliminated. We don’t just need guns to kill extremism. We need pathways to people’s minds.

It is these different elements that constitute the essentials of a plan In Imran Khan’s mind. Not something routinely caricaturised in the media is as a one line agenda of only talking to the militants. This quasi demonization of Imran suits the warmongering liberals – here is an oxymoron if there ever was one – because in the political spectrum his is the only voice calling for winning hearts and minds. Isn’t this what the Americans say all the time?

Guerrillas/militants/insurgents – chose whatever term you like – swim in a sea of sympathetic people. Deny them this oxygen and they will wither and die. This is in essence is the vision of Imran.

Shafqat MehmoodCentral Information Secreatery Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf

I totally agree with you, TTP and Mqm are terrorists and they should deal with GUNS and Rockets.
 

msaeed89

Minister (2k+ posts)
Mehwish..talk tu abhi shuro bhi nahi huiiii hayy...jo kam pichlayy 11 saaal say ker rahayhooo kia us say koi faidaa huwaa..agar huwa tu kertay raho....

waisay MQM kay muu say aisi batay achi nahi lagti...ghar ghar ja ker fitranay laitay ho tumlogg...bhikariiiooo...meray ghar bhi aye thayyy..ultay paoo bhaga diyaa merii amaaaa nayyy galiaa day ker..
 

chandaa

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
The column was written in 2009, Shafqat Mehmood joined PTI after 2011 Jalsaa in Lahore. What a dis informer!
 

mehwish_ali

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Mehwish..talk tu abhi shuro bhi nahi huiiii hayy...jo kam pichlayy 11 saaal say ker rahayhooo kia us say koi faidaa huwaa..agar huwa tu kertay raho....
waisay MQM kay muu say aisi batay achi nahi lagti...ghar ghar ja ker fitranay laitay ho tumlogg...bhikariiiooo...meray ghar bhi aye thayyy..ultay paoo bhaga diyaa merii amaaaa nayyy galiaa day ker..


بھائی صاحب

عمران خان اور پی ٹی آئی سوات امن ڈیل کے نام پر طالبان سے مذاکرات کرنے کی حماقت کئی سال قبل کر چکے ہیں۔

نتائج بھی سامنے ہیں جب طالبان نے انکی اس حماقت کا فائدہ اٹھاتے ہوئے پورے سوات پر قبضہ کر لیا، زمرد کی کانوں پر قبضہ کر لیا، سینکڑوں معصوموں کو سوات میں مزید ذبح کر ڈالا، اور پھر بونیر اور اسلام آباد کی طرف پیشقدمی شروع کر دی۔

مسئلہ یہ ہے کہ عمران خان نے سوات کے واقعے سے کوئی سبق نہیں سیکھا

مسئلہ یہ ہے کہ پی ٹی آئی سوات کے واقعے کو شیر مادر سمجھ کر ڈکار مارے بغیر ہضم کر گئی۔


 

sabirmughal

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: دو اندھے بھائی : منور حسن و عمران خان

Imran khan ko to bomb sy Ura dooo kion k woo peace ki baat karta hy