aasimnaveed
MPA (400+ posts)
oh bhai akal ko hath maar yaar ... allah maaf kery .. na me much ka na qadiani ka or na in sahab ka pujari hoon ... im just a muslim ..
Professor Ahmad Rafique on Concept of Dua (MUST MUST WATCH)
oh bhai akal ko hath maar yaar ... allah maaf kery .. na me much ka na qadiani ka or na in sahab ka pujari hoon ... im just a muslim ..
aasimnaveed
MPA (400+ posts)
bhai jaan mazrat k sath aap se arz hai k mene inko live suna hai inkay drawing/sitting room mein ..and ussi din faisla kia k again nahin aaun ga na hi sunu ga ...
now my concern was k he was pointing fingers and proving wrong to tableeghi jammat and other people who r just doing khidmet-e-deen like he him self but just criticising without any proof or any reason and he said TABLEEGI JAMAAT WALEY GHALAT RAAH PER HAIN ... and bit same answer he gave to IMRAN KHAN ... javed choudhary introduce this guy to thousands of ppl and then he went to GHAMDI sahab with other lahori journalists ...
im not against him or im not saying he is KAFIR maazallah but he should stay in his own line and only give lectures not give fatawas .. or non objectionable Q/A like zakir naik doing ..
im very gunnahgaar so please dont put me in long discussion on this topic especially ... thanks if i hurt you or anyone im sorry ...
Dear friends, knowledge is for people and people are for knowledge. This is the complete circle or combination.
Knowledge=observation, hypothesis, verification by experimentation or proof and proving.
Anyone who talks sense regarding a matter is knowledgeable about it.
Coming to educational institutional qualifications, they are not universally recognized yet but human brain and senses and personal experience are a universally recognized sources of knowledge. All human knowledge came from people because they gathered it and passed it down their generations.
There is difference between information and knowledge. Information is mere data and knowledge is combination of information that is put together to make sense in some way. If it does then it is knowledge otherwise it is not rather it remains just a piece of information that makes no sense.
This is why if a person has managed to put certain amount of information together in a sensible way that you cannot find any holes in it then it is a proper combination of information otherwise not. It matters not this combination comes from a child or adult.
So knowledge of a person proves him aalim and ignorance of a person proves him ignorant. Institutional qualifications are useful to some degree but they are not proof in themselves that one is talking sense about something. Only proof of talking sense proves one sensible not his institutional qualifications.
Those who emphasis that we should not listen to anyone other than institutionally qualified, we need to look at them with suspicion because they must have reason to stop us from what they do not want us to know.
It is possible they are concerned for our safety but it could be equally possible that they want to make fool of us and want us to remain that way so that we do not become aware of it by listening to some body else who knows their game.
This is especially true about mullas=priestly class. If we read the quran political and religious of kufaar, mushrikeen and people of the book all told their follower not to listen to prophets of God. They knew that if they would listen to them then they will be found out and their game will be over.
The quran is full of statements telling people to judge the truth of matters for themselves regardless of any recognized institutional qualifications. The sense of judgement is given to all and information and its putting together are only things that people need to do themselves.
The final messenger of Allah put forth the quran in front of people for their judgement as a statement of Allah to see for themselves if his claim was true or false.
Only people who decided to judge it, benefited and the rest perished and the process continues.
So if anyone wants to be right and wants to keep oneself right then one must not listen to any fatwa baaz mulla regarding islam instead one should listen to all sides of argument and have the fullest possible picture before oneself and then come to a conclusion yet remain open for any new evidence that may come along.
We humans can never be certain about our judgement from the beginning to the end because our knowledge changes with time. We knew less when we were children but more after growing up. Had we stuck to our judgements made during childhood we will be in trouble.
So a human being must never be afraid of learning new things otherwise a person is worse than animals because even animals experiment with knew ideas.
Coming to islam, it is good idea to listen to ulema of all sects as well as fatwa baaz mullas but make up your own mind by collecting the best arguments you can from anywhere that make you comfortable with their truth.
regards and all the best.
Knowledge=observation, hypothesis, verification by experimentation or proof and proving.
Anyone who talks sense regarding a matter is knowledgeable about it.
Coming to educational institutional qualifications, they are not universally recognized yet but human brain and senses and personal experience are a universally recognized sources of knowledge. All human knowledge came from people because they gathered it and passed it down their generations.
There is difference between information and knowledge. Information is mere data and knowledge is combination of information that is put together to make sense in some way. If it does then it is knowledge otherwise it is not rather it remains just a piece of information that makes no sense.
This is why if a person has managed to put certain amount of information together in a sensible way that you cannot find any holes in it then it is a proper combination of information otherwise not. It matters not this combination comes from a child or adult.
So knowledge of a person proves him aalim and ignorance of a person proves him ignorant. Institutional qualifications are useful to some degree but they are not proof in themselves that one is talking sense about something. Only proof of talking sense proves one sensible not his institutional qualifications.
Those who emphasis that we should not listen to anyone other than institutionally qualified, we need to look at them with suspicion because they must have reason to stop us from what they do not want us to know.
It is possible they are concerned for our safety but it could be equally possible that they want to make fool of us and want us to remain that way so that we do not become aware of it by listening to some body else who knows their game.
This is especially true about mullas=priestly class. If we read the quran political and religious of kufaar, mushrikeen and people of the book all told their follower not to listen to prophets of God. They knew that if they would listen to them then they will be found out and their game will be over.
The quran is full of statements telling people to judge the truth of matters for themselves regardless of any recognized institutional qualifications. The sense of judgement is given to all and information and its putting together are only things that people need to do themselves.
The final messenger of Allah put forth the quran in front of people for their judgement as a statement of Allah to see for themselves if his claim was true or false.
Only people who decided to judge it, benefited and the rest perished and the process continues.
So if anyone wants to be right and wants to keep oneself right then one must not listen to any fatwa baaz mulla regarding islam instead one should listen to all sides of argument and have the fullest possible picture before oneself and then come to a conclusion yet remain open for any new evidence that may come along.
We humans can never be certain about our judgement from the beginning to the end because our knowledge changes with time. We knew less when we were children but more after growing up. Had we stuck to our judgements made during childhood we will be in trouble.
So a human being must never be afraid of learning new things otherwise a person is worse than animals because even animals experiment with knew ideas.
Coming to islam, it is good idea to listen to ulema of all sects as well as fatwa baaz mullas but make up your own mind by collecting the best arguments you can from anywhere that make you comfortable with their truth.
regards and all the best.
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adnan78692
MPA (400+ posts)
Aap ne kaway k sufaid kehne ki xmple di.. ye to aap pe fit aati haai.. main to ap se bht respectfully keh raha hn k ap aese jhoote ilzam laga rahe ho bad gumani kar rahe ho.. ap proof laein.. baat koi b ho logic se hoti hai argumrnt se hoti hai.. ikhtlaaf ka matlab ye nahi hota k aap bad gumani karne lag jao.. jhootey bohtan laganey baith jao.
aik chooti c example main b deta hn k agar andhay k samney suraj bhi le aaein to wo pehchan nahi paey ga.. usey koi shaoor koi idraak nahi ho sakey ga raoshni ka ujaaley ka.. wo use bhi andhera he kahey ga.. Allah pak aapko badgumaani or jhooti tuhmat laganey jese gunah se mehfooz rakhay.. aik musalman hone k naatey aap k lie dua he kar saktey hain..
adnan78692
MPA (400+ posts)
http://www.alamaat.com/ it is the link of His Site.. is website pe video lectures , english and urdu books free available hain pdf format me.. aap sunein parhein.. aese fects batate hain jo na kabi ham ne parhey na sunein.. na hamein aesa shaoor diya gya aaj tk.. just read and listen..
Well i think professor sahab has given reason for his comments i think you missed that.
Professor sahab ko tableeghi hi Allah k rastey pe chalney valey nazar atee ore vo unkey vision se muttafik hota to definetly vo tableeghi jamaat me hota.
bhai sahab tableeghio k paida honeey se pehley b log muslamna thay abb b hain ore baad me b rahengy.
sari dunya k musalman kia balkey pakistan ki aksariat b tablleghion k mukhalif he........
problem aapkey saath he aap jb aik mind set bna k kisi cheez ko analiyze krtey ho to vo analysis justise ki base pe nhi hota pasand na pasand ki bunyaad pe hota he......
isi liaey aap ne logic b kia dee k bhai ye ghalat he kion......kion k ye tableeghio ko sahih nhi kehta.........strange logic based on nothing.
Mirza qadiani Allah or rasool ki taraf bulata to gumrah na hota ..........masla to ye he k us ne apney aapko hi rasool bna k paish kia ore khtm e nabuvat ka inkaar kia.
professor sahab ne aisee koi baat nhi kee isley zara soch samhaj k baat kia karo.
aap ne ilzaam lagaya he to aap pe lazim he k aap isey sabit b karain.........agar aap na kr sakain to phir ye sabit ho jaey ga k aap shaitan ka kaam kr rahey hain ore aap logo ko gumrah kr rahey hain.........plz come with proofs......
ore it would be understood that you are ................
Beard to Allam Iqbal ki b nhi thee lakin bhai sahab kion marhoom Dr. Israr ahmad jesey sakht geer nazriat rakhney valey insaan Allama k bohut barey fan they??????
Kia Isar Ahmad sahab ko ye batain maloom nhi thee jo aap frma rahey hain.
Aik aisey shakhs ko kion hakeem ul ummat kaha jata he jiski darhee b nhi ?????
me aap se aik clip shair kr raha hoon its an interesting video you can watch the whole it would be helpful at least it would be informative ..........
watch from 7:35 -10:52(Question about Daarhi/beard) Head of jamiat Ahle hadyt Allama sajid meer is also sitting by professor sahab ,professor sahab answers the question in his presence...........with comments from sajid mir sahab also.......plz watch
Well do watch another question after this one in which professor sahab gives his views about education system and the education minister at that time.
another interesting question is asked about taharat and majzoobiat.......27:40-28:50
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Gumrahi k fatway vo lagaey jisey kam az kam ye maloom ho k "rah " kia he ore is rah ki manzil kia he ????
bhai sahab i will be waiting for proofs from you............if you are not able to prove what you have said then its 100% sure that you are a chela of shaitan..
