Part 1: comparison of political leaders based upon what they took and gave in return.

[mdusa]

ASIF ALI ZARDARI: started as bambino cinema owner, Not owner of any company in Pakistan/ NO investment in Pakistan. TOOK 10 million for selling rights to import gold b) 2 million from Ursus tractor from Poland c) all together took kickbacked of around 1.5billion dollar. 2nd richest person of Pakistan from getting 10% ..built many mansion abroad.. in RETURN: he didnt give any thing to country. MOTO is ONLY TAKE/ NO return.. Can he be a leader.

NAWAZ SHARIF: Industrialist, tax-defaulter, side-kicks from yellowcab scheme, flourishes his Itefaq industry from his political influence but GAVE BACK: ROZGAR to Pakistani people/jobs etc thousands employed in his industry. 4th richest person.MOTO isTAKE MORE but also RETURN SOMECan he be a leader

ALTAF HUSSAIN: pharmacist/ no financial resources other than looting/kidnappin/ransom money..living lucrative life when have no investment/industry on its own. ..HE ONLY TOOK from KARACHI in RETURN (lots of killing in Karachi).. Can he be a leader

IMRAN KHAN: educated/ who rose on his own abilities. Gifted BEST CANCER CENTER (blessing for All Pakistan----trust me, being a physician I know this for fact).NAMAL COLLEGE (again for Pakistan people). HE HAS GIVEN ONLY to Pakistani peoplewhat did HE TOOK..? can he be a leader

Even if you have political affiliation to any party Think of what your leader has done to your country in contrast to other and how can you help your country.

PART 2: would be on their political views/ their personality/ etc etc

 

[noman3000]

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Yar seedha seedha bolo, u r imran khan supporter, that's it!

 

[malikbhai]

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Yar seedha seedha bolo, u r imran khan supporter, that's it!

yaar us nai yeh tou nhee kaha kai woh kis ka supporter hai, its just a comparison. aakhir is mai harj hi kya hai, kya hamay apnay leaders ki asliyat oor hakqeqat ka pata nhee hona chahiye. mere dost khuli aankhoon sai sach ko dhaikho.agar koi bhi banda jo is mulk ki behtari sooch sakta hai tou usko andhii takleed choor ker aik muklis banda talash kerna ho ga jo mulk ka sooch sakay, ye lazmi tou nhee kai jou hamaray barre buzurg agar nawaz sharif ya PPP ko pasand kertay hain tou ham bhi usi dagar per chalain. in dono barri parties ko mulk nai bahut dafa aazmaya hai, oor aik hadees e pak kai mutabik musalman aik sorrakh sai baar baar nhee dasa jata.aagay har banda apni aqal o feham rakhta hai, hamara vote hi is mulk ki taqdeer badal sakta hai.agar aap is mulk ko banazir income scheme ya yellow cab scheme sai bacha saktay hain tou zarooor apna haq ada karain oor in aazmaish shuda loogooon ko elect karain. aap ko koon rok sakta hai. laiken phir barai meherbani har election kai baad shour na machaya karain kai mulk tabah ho jeya hai etc.Allah ham sab ka hami o nasir hai.

 

[Ch Azam]

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ham sab IK k sath kharay honay ko tiyar hian ........... lakin pehlay Ik ko ye yaqeen dilana paray ga k wo in hi siastdano say itihad nahi karay ga jesay k kuch din pehly IK ne MQM ke tareefoon k pul banday thay .......... 12 May ko IK ne kaha tha k ye pure Terrorist jamat ha or phir..............Double Game nahi chalay gi..............baqi raha ap ka comparision tu janab hamain khulay dil se apnay leaders ki karastanion ko tasleem kr k un ka bandobast sochna paray ga............

 

[xiaahmad]

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It was issued based like during Judicial movement PPP and JI were together
Imran has said no collation with MQM

He is non corrupt and brave person rest have been proven chor

 

[elipst]

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ALTAF HUSSAIN: pharmacist/ no financial resources other than looting/kidnappin/ransom money..living lucrative life when have no investment/industry on its own. ..HE ONLY TOOK from KARACHI in RETURN (lots of killing in Karachi).. Can he be a leader

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Flawed biased reasoning.... (I presume you live in Punjab somewhere)If you dont live in Karachi of course you dont see what Altaf Hussain gave to it. Firstly he didnt take anything from Karachi except the trust of the people here and their votes. Which he still gets in huge numbers.

Secondly he gave to Karachi brilliant minds like those of Farooq Sattar, Imran Farooq, and lastly Mustufa Kamal, only he can pick gems such as these. His team made Karachi into a modern city it deserves to be, the only ones who care about Karachi is MQM and Altaf Hussain, no one else. We tried them all. So know before you speak.

As far as your claim that Altaf lives a luxurious life well then i happen to know he lives in a small room and an even smaller office which has only the basic tools to communicate with his workers. He live on the money given to him by his workers, if a party worker wants to give some money to his leader, I dont see why anyone else should complain.

Lastly to your claim that Imran does all this social work, Im tired of hearing this from every PTI supporter. So does MQM. They have a separate charity wing known as KKF which has a network of ambulances throughout the country as well as giving basic commodities to thousands of families. You dont see them going around boasting about it.

It is up to Imran to use his charity work as a vote grabbing excuse and if he does that he should not complain when other parties do the same.

 

[anyie1]

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who will save Pakistan?
Imran Khan, Imran Khan

dooor undeshi key pehchan
Imran Khan, Imran Khan

zinda qaum ka nishan
Imran Khan, Imran Khan

khuda per jiss ka imaan
Imran Khan, Imran Khan

0% bay iman
Imran Khan, Imran Khan

rasta dikhaye jiss ko quran
Imran Khan, Imran Khan

corruption ka na naam na nishan
Imran Khan, Imran Khan

ghariboon(poor) kay karey ga kaam
Imran Khan, Imran Khan

iss hakoomat ka kaam tamaam
Imran Khan, Imran Khan

 

[SalmanKhanN]

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who will save Pakistan?
Imran Khan, Imran Khan

dooor undeshi key pehchan
Imran Khan, Imran Khan

zinda qaum ka nishan
Imran Khan, Imran Khan

khuda per jiss ka imaan
Imran Khan, Imran Khan

0% bay iman
Imran Khan, Imran Khan

rasta dikhaye jiss ko quran
Imran Khan, Imran Khan

corruption ka na naam na nishan
Imran Khan, Imran Khan

ghariboon(poor) kay karey ga kaam
Imran Khan, Imran Khan

iss hakoomat ka kaam tamaam
Imran Khan, Imran Khan

 

[smnasiruzzaman]

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i know personly many MQM workers and what they do,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, but what you say about this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQthtRs4SUQ

 

[QaiserMirza]

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Flawed biased reasoning.... (I presume you live in Punjab somewhere)If you dont live in Karachi of course you dont see what Altaf Hussain gave to it. Firstly he didnt take anything from Karachi except the trust of the people here and their votes. Which he still gets in huge numbers.

Secondly he gave to Karachi brilliant minds like those of Farooq Sattar, Imran Farooq, and lastly Mustufa Kamal, only he can pick gems such as these. His team made Karachi into a modern city it deserves to be, the only ones who care about Karachi is MQM and Altaf Hussain, no one else. We tried them all. So know before you speak.

As far as your claim that Altaf lives a luxurious life well then i happen to know he lives in a small room and an even smaller office which has only the basic tools to communicate with his workers. He live on the money given to him by his workers, if a party worker wants to give some money to his leader, I dont see why anyone else should complain.
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قربان جائیں آپ کی معصومیت پر
کس قدر غریب لیڈر ہے یہ
وہ جن کو کہتے تھے کہ نچلے طبقے کے نمایندے ہیں
آج وہ ہی عیاشی کی زندگی بسر کر رہے ہیں
دبئی میں ہوٹلیں
کراچی میں بے شمار شادی ھال
اور تو اور بغیر کوئی کام کیے کروڑ پتی
پھر لندن میں عالی شان محلات
پارٹی کا کنٹرول سسٹم جو کہ اپنی مثال آپ ہے


کراچی میں چلنے والا ہر بزنس بغیر بھتہ دیے ممکن ہی نہیں
ماہانہ اربوں سے بھتہ جمع ہوتا ہے
کس کی مجال ہے انکار کر دے اور پھر سانس بھی لیتا رہے


اور اب تو پنجاب سے نفرت بھی ختم ہو گئی ہے
اور لاہور میں تاریخ کا سب سے بڑا جلسہ
اب تو پنجابیوں نے بھی ان کو اپنا بھائی تسلیم کر لیا ہے
صرف بھتہ لینا باقی ہے ​

 

[saeed khan]

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yaar us nai yeh tou nhee kaha kai woh kis ka supporter hai, its just a comparison. aakhir is mai harj hi kya hai, kya hamay apnay leaders ki asliyat oor hakqeqat ka pata nhee hona chahiye. mere dost khuli aankhoon sai sach ko dhaikho.agar koi bhi banda jo is mulk ki behtari sooch sakta hai tou usko andhii takleed choor ker aik muklis banda talash kerna ho ga jo mulk ka sooch sakay, ye lazmi tou nhee kai jou hamaray barre buzurg agar nawaz sharif ya PPP ko pasand kertay hain tou ham bhi usi dagar per chalain. in dono barri parties ko mulk nai bahut dafa aazmaya hai, oor aik hadees e pak kai mutabik musalman aik sorrakh sai baar baar nhee dasa jata.aagay har banda apni aqal o feham rakhta hai, hamara vote hi is mulk ki taqdeer badal sakta hai.agar aap is mulk ko banazir income scheme ya yellow cab scheme sai bacha saktay hain tou zarooor apna haq ada karain oor in aazmaish shuda loogooon ko elect karain. aap ko koon rok sakta hai. laiken phir barai meherbani har election kai baad shour na machaya karain kai mulk tabah ho jeya hai etc.Allah ham sab ka hami o nasir hai.

malikbhai

People who are satisfied and do not want any change want the same rulers who has looted our country because .., I hope you will understand.

 

[smnasiruzzaman]

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I think in available politicians Imran Khan is the very best Choice for us.....................

 

[Aijazahmed]

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ALTAF HUSSAIN: pharmacist/ no financial resources..........and what he gave to this nation? See below

 

[mdusa]

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To Dear Elispt/

Since you object therefore let me point out few things

I was once a strong supporter of MQM/ lived in karachi all life before immigrated to Australia.

Either you dont know, doesnt want to know or being blind folded about the money our leader recieved.
Every business in karachi is giving security fee to MQM (everyone knows this) where this money goes ?

Kidnapping/ransom/ is on the peak and percent of that money goes to 90

young generation lost their disciplined and with every argument they claim I belong to MQM/ " I will see you"...... I saw some people, loyal to party murdered/killed. Not to mention Azeem Tariq..............

The ideology/origin of MQM was the need of the time but what they transform into is wrong. Currently its just mimicks gangster Rule over Karachi...............

I have much to say but I belive you all very well aware of them but just defend them as its our ego before our nation.

No politician is right........But among all the crooks I respect Imran Khan being lesser among them.

 

[elipst]

Re: Part 1/ comparison of political leaders based upon what they took and gave in return.

قربان جائیں آپ کی معصومیت پر
کس قدر غریب لیڈر ہے یہ
وہ جن کو کہتے تھے کہ نچلے طبقے کے نمایندے ہیں
آج وہ ہی عیاشی کی زندگی بسر کر رہے ہیں
دبئی میں ہوٹلیں
کراچی میں بے شمار شادی ھال
اور تو اور بغیر کوئی کام کیے کروڑ پتی
پھر لندن میں عالی شان محلات
پارٹی کا کنٹرول سسٹم جو کہ اپنی مثال آپ ہے


کراچی میں چلنے والا ہر بزنس بغیر بھتہ دیے ممکن ہی نہیں
ماہانہ اربوں سے بھتہ جمع ہوتا ہے
کس کی مجال ہے انکار کر دے اور پھر سانس بھی لیتا رہے


اور اب تو پنجاب سے نفرت بھی ختم ہو گئی ہے
اور لاہور میں تاریخ کا سب سے بڑا جلسہ
اب تو پنجابیوں نے بھی ان کو اپنا بھائی تسلیم کر لیا ہے
صرف بھتہ لینا باقی ہے ​

Pehle sub se akhri wala point uthta hun...

Mashallah aap ki nfrta ne aap ko andha kar dia hai, agar aap apne nafrat har us shaks kay liye jo Punjabi nahi hai apne dil se nikal dain to buhat behter hoga... Meine yeh kaha tha kyun kay in sahab ne aisi batein ki thi jis se yeh lag rha tha kay yeh kabhi Karachi nahi aye aur Punjab mein rahay hain laikin Mashallah aap ki nafrat ne aap ko is had tak andha kar dia hai kay Punjab ka naam dekha to Pagal ho gaye...

Dekhai bhai aap ki nazar mein jo ho, agar kisi kay Punjabi hone se woh kisi Non-Punjabi se behter ho gya hai to aap ki marzi laikin meri nazar mein aisa nahi hai.

Ab us point pe kay bhatta lete hain, mein kyun kisi ki baat manu jab woh kehte hain kay MQM bhatta leti hai? Mein poori zindagi Karachi mein rha hun, mujh se to kabhi nahi lia. Loag itna jhoot uglte hain MQM kay baray mein, woh jhoot to kitni baar jhoot sabit ho chuka hai, to mein kyun aik aur jhoot manu?

Rahi baat Altaf Hussain ki to mein apni ankhon dekha haal bta rha hun. Na mujhe koi faida ho rha hai jhoot bhol kay, na mujhe koi shoq hai kisi bhi party ya fard kay liye jhoot bhol kay apni akhirat kharab karne ka. Manna hai to manain nahi manna nahi mannain.

 

[elipst]

Re: Part 1/ comparison of political leaders based upon what they took and gave in return.

To Dear Elispt/

Since you object therefore let me point out few things

I was once a strong supporter of MQM/ lived in karachi all life before immigrated to Australia.

Either you dont know, doesnt want to know or being blind folded about the money our leader recieved.
Every business in karachi is giving security fee to MQM (everyone knows this) where this money goes ?

Kidnapping/ransom/ is on the peak and percent of that money goes to 90

young generation lost their disciplined and with every argument they claim I belong to MQM/ " I will see you"...... I saw some people, loyal to party murdered/killed. Not to mention Azeem Tariq..............

The ideology/origin of MQM was the need of the time but what they transform into is wrong. Currently its just mimicks gangster Rule over Karachi...............

I have much to say but I belive you all very well aware of them but just defend them as its our ego before our nation.

No politician is right........But among all the crooks I respect Imran Khan being lesser among them.

My apologies for my hurried presumption you were not from Karachi

Let me disagree with what you said before, you said Altaf Hussian did nothing for Karachi, I disagree. He raised Karachis issues in the assemblies when no one else would. He stood for right and wrong. How effective was MQM in getting the rights back for Karachi is up for debate though.

Do I blame MQM for the decade of violence we saw in the 90s.. I beleive MQM is partly to blame in so that they did not back down from the fight but the majority of the blame by far goes to the state and its security appartus. I am not disputing the claim that some members of MQM were involved in criminal activities but that does not justify the wholescale murder that followed firstly of innocent MQM workers then all Urdu speakers.

Who gives 'security fees' to MQM? I never have. I ahve lived here all my life and my family have done business here as well. I have heard stories yes but not much truth in them. There are so many lies about MQM, so many proven to be lies, I would be a fool to believe any of them. The only time we have ever paid bhatta is to Lyari gangsters under PPP, so why should I believe whatever people say about MQM?

Lastly, I dont know if you have been to Karachi recently but Mustufa Kamal did some incredible things, completely changed the city around.

Khair whoever you believe and whoever you support is up to you. And whoever I support is up to me and after living all of my life in Karachi and seen lie after lie told about MQM being exposed I will not believe that they do what people say they do without proof

 

[wanderer]

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My apologies for my hurried presumption you were not from Karachi


Who gives 'security fees' to MQM? I never have. I ahve lived here all my life and my family have done business here as well. I have heard stories yes but not much truth in them. There are so many lies about MQM, so many proven to be lies, I would be a fool to believe any of them. The only time we have ever paid bhatta is to Lyari gangsters under PPP, so why should I believe whatever people say about MQM?

Lastly, I dont know if you have been to Karachi recently but Mustufa Kamal did some incredible things, completely changed the city around.

Obviously the one person that did good for Karachi, was infact Mustafa kamal.

What part of Karachi do u live in that U DONT know that MQM "also" takes bhatta ?

MQM takes money for protection from the THAILAY wala's and the ANP takes bhatta from the industrialists.

 

[elipst]

Re: Part 1/ comparison of political leaders based upon what they took and gave in return.

Obviously the one person that did good for Karachi, was infact Mustafa kamal.

What part of Karachi do u live in that U DONT know that MQM "also" takes bhatta ?

MQM takes money for protection from the THAILAY wala's and the ANP takes bhatta from the industrialists.

HAhahaha!! I have lived all over. From Nazimabad to Garden to Gulshan. Never have I been bothered by anyone from MQM. We have business near Saddar and for the past few months since the beginning of this year we have been forced to pay bhatta to Lyari gangsters, which has thankfully stopped now since It was banned. But never has MQM taken bhatta from me...

Yes I have heard stories about MQM, of course but I dont believe many of them. Are there criminal elements in MQM? There may very well be but what i do know about MQM is they will kick out any if they ever happen to find any criminals in their ranks.

Basic fact is every organisation in Karachi, from taliban and sectarian outfits to political parties take bhatta, some are more involved than others but the fact is that MQM is least involved in it simply for the reason that they get votes here and have done much work in the city. And also every story I follow of an alleged MQM member taking bhatta turns out to be false or some criminal using MQMs name...

 

[wanderer]

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HAhahaha!! I have lived all over. From Nazimabad to Garden to Gulshan. Never have I been bothered by anyone from MQM. We have business near Saddar and for the past few months since the beginning of this year we have been forced to pay bhatta to Lyari gangsters, which has thankfully stopped now since It was banned. But never has MQM taken bhatta from me...

Yes I have heard stories about MQM, of course but I dont believe many of them. Are there criminal elements in MQM? There may very well be but what i do know about MQM is they will kick out any if they ever happen to find any criminals in their ranks.

Basic fact is every organisation in Karachi, from taliban and sectarian outfits to political parties take bhatta, some are more involved than others but the fact is that MQM is least involved in it simply for the reason that they get votes here and have done much work in the city. And also every story I follow of an alleged MQM member taking bhatta turns out to be false or some criminal using MQMs name...

this is news. Amazing .....and lucky u.

 

[elipst]

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this is news. Amazing .....and lucky u.

Try living in Karachi and stop believing peoples stories. I did. Nothing to do with luck. No one I know has ever been bothered by any MQM member. And one or two instances that did occur were criminals with no association with MQM.