Pakistan Army condemns Munawar Hasan's statement!

pakistani786

Minister (2k+ posts)
Pak Foj Ko Salaam,

Support our Troops we are in WAR.

Let's move on and not get into this argument

There are more important issues.


Such as Drwons , Nato Supply, Economic issues.
 

coolhaider

Minister (2k+ posts)
آج کا سوال ۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔
کراے کا طالبان اور کراے کی فوج میں کیا فرق ہے؟؟؟؟؟؟
درست جواب دینے والے کو ایک عدد شہید مفت دیا جایگا
joek shaheed aurganday nutfay me farq hai ab tumhe apna to pata hoga
 

Politcs

Minister (2k+ posts)
According to Mullah Fazl and Munawar "talibab are dogs and dead dogs are shaheed". I dont know dogs should be happy on this or they should protest that filthy people like Taliban are called dogs. If I was a dog then I was nit happy becuase dogs are loyal to their home regardless what happened and you can not buy dogs loyality with religion or dollars.
 

Pak1stani

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
So when will ISPR ask MQM to clear their position of people killed during Army operation.? And same about Balochistan Nationalist Parties?
 

Bani Adam

Senator (1k+ posts)

Aijazahmed

Minister (2k+ posts)
1- As far as I know, a common and ordinary army personnel , who does not take any part in any kind of decision making but just obeys the order of the Islamic state and protects his Muslim fellow citizens and in doing so, if killed in the line of duty is not MURDAR, he is SHAHEED. This is the responsibility of ameerul momineen , shoora and Sipah Salar to decide about the war and obey the orders is the duty of the soldier.

2- If the theory of Munawwar Hassann is right then all the arm forces should be withdrawn from the work and leave Pakistan's soil for enemies to come into the country and invade without any resistance.

3- Now question arises here, if Talibans are Pakistan's enemies or not? In the present available evidences, yes they are our enemies because they have openly said in several times that they don't agree with Pakistan's constitution and Pakistani state. This is the same state where SMH lives and his Jamat is one of the contributor of writing its constitution. (The late Prof. Ghafoor signed the document on behlf of jamat, this is the constitution which is bound to work under the law of Quran and Sunnat).Talibans declare the same system of Pakistani state and its constitution is KAFIRANA. In taibans terms jamat has signed a Kafirana constituetion.

4- Talibans are the enemies of Pakistan because they have killed thousands of Pakistanis and have admit the crime openly.

5- Talibans are enemies of Pakistan because their new cheif Fazlullah lives in Afghanistan and has been declared an Indian and Afghan Govt. agent by Gen. Hameed Gul. The same Gen. Hameed Gul is a close friend of SMH and a big sympathizer of Talibans.

6- We are not having any affair with Yahood o nasara and we are not going against Quran (naozu billah). We are dealing with Americans on the basis of international relationships. Prophet (PBUH) also had Sulah -e Hudabiya with Kuffars, because it was necessary to run the Islamic state on that time. Pakistan cannot live without these relationships right now. We cannot afford to declare war with everyone in the world. Pakistan has its priorities and it acts upon them accordingly. This is a normal practice in foreign affair issues. Every other country has to take care of it own affairs. If Pakistani govt. is wrong in its policies then the people of Pakistan have a right to change their govt. through democratic process.

7- Why not Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and other wealthy Islamic states break their close ties with Kuffars? Why not they withdraw all of their wealth from american banks? Why they have americans everywhere in all over Saudi Kingdom and Arabian peninsula? why don't they kick all these americans out of the kingdom?

8- Why not Talibans start war against Saudi Arabia and Kuwait who are the best friends of Americans. Pakistan is a BHOOKA NANGA country, it has to rely on american trades and aids but what is stopping Saudis to break their ties with america? what is their compulsion? Why Munawwar Hassan and Talibans do not declare Jehad against Saudis as they have more close ties with amricans than Pakistan? Everyone knows the answer, nothing to say here on that.

9- Now what is your say when Pakistani people, jamati workers, Afghan mujahideen and Pakistani army were taking help from americans and fighting against Russians in 1980s in Afghanistan and were being killed in that war, were they SHAHEED or MURDAR? Please answer this.

Thanks
 

Sikandar.dawood

MPA (400+ posts)
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UnknownAX

Banned
Pakistani armed forces are mercenary army just like black water or any other private Army people here blame Taliban and mehsood tribe for waging war against Pakistan turning a blind eye to the fact that our armed forces attacked them first back in 2004 on the direct orders from Bush administration
 

Zaidi Qasim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
منور حسن نے کڑوا سچ بولا ہے جو ہم سننا نہیں چاہتے۔
انٹرنیٹ والی قوم کسی اور ہی دنیا میں رہتی ہے جو اس بیان پر منہ سے جھاگیں اڑا رہی ہے۔
گھر سے باہر نکل کر دیکھو، سوائے بکاؤ میڈیا کے ہو کوئی یہی کہتا ہے کہ یہ نہ کبھی ہماری جنگ تھی، نہ ہے، نہ ہوگی۔
جرنیلوں نے یہ جنگ نہ کسی سے پوچھ کر شروع کی تھی نہ ختم کرنا چاہتے ہیں۔
میں ایسے کئی فوجی افسران، جوانوں حتٰی کی کمانڈوز کو جانتا ہوں جو ڈالروں کے عوض مسلمانوں کو قتل کرنے پر استعفٰی کو ترجیح دے کر فوج چھوڑ چکے ہیں۔
جرنیلوں نے بہت کامیابی کے ساتھ 2007 میں زید حامد کزاب کو لانچ کیا جس نے سچی جھوٹی سازشی کہانیاں سنا کر قوم کو کنفیوز کیا۔ اس کا مقصد نہ تو خلافت راشدہ تھا، نہ غزوہ ہند تھا، البتہ پوری قوم کو سازشی تھیوری میں الجھا دیا ہے کہ طالبان انڈیا اور امریکہ کے ایجنٹ ہیں جو امریکہ کی مدد کرنے پر پاکستان پر حملے کرتے ہیں


اسی دوران پاک فوج پوری تندھی کے ساتھ 13 سال سے امریکہ کی سپلائی لائین بحال رکھے ہوئے ہے، جس سے روزانہ 600 ٹرک اسلحہ، گولہ بارود، تیل اور خوراک افغانستان پر قابض افواج کے لئے جا رہا ہے۔ اس پر کبھی کمپرومائز نہیں ہوگا۔


ایسا لگتا ہے روزانہ کی بنیاد پر پاکستانیوں کا جانی نقصان وہ کڑوا گھونٹ ہے جو ہمارے جرنیلوں نے بدلے میں ملنے والے ڈالروں کی قیمت کے طور پر قبول کر رکھا ہے۔ ان کی بلا سے، انکے اپنے بچے محفوظ ہیں، عوام جائے بھاڑ میں۔



بات تو سچ ھے ، مگر بات ھے رسوائ کی






 

saadkiakaray

Minister (2k+ posts)
hakeem ulallah cant be shaheed ! its confirm BUT real issue is that the army who obeys kafirs n invole in demaging of muslims stake,...how can they r called shaheed if targeted ????????????
 

UnknownAX

Banned
اس سے بڑی کوئی دلیل نہیں ہو سکتی کے فوج کانی ہے اس امریکا کی جنگ میں کے فوج اب زبردستی اپنے آپ کو شہید کہلوانا چاہتے ہے
 

Pakistan1992

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Pak Fauj condemns Munawar Hasan's anti-Pakistan statement (video added)

دوسروں کے لئے مطلب امریکہ کے لئے؟

jo koi samj lay, yahan har waqt kutee bonkhte rehte hain Pakistan Army ke against, kis kis ka moun bund kerin
 

Zaidi Qasim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
1- As far as I know, a common and ordinary army personnel , who does not take any part in any kind of decision making but just obeys the order of the Islamic state and protects his Muslim fellow citizens and in doing so, if killed in the line of duty is not MURDAR, he is SHAHEED. This is the responsibility of ameerul momineen , shoora and Sipah Salar to decide about the war and obey the orders is the duty of the soldier.

2- If the theory of Munawwar Hassann is right then all the arm forces should be withdrawn from the work and leave Pakistan's soil for enemies to come into the country and invade without any resistance.

3- Now question arises here, if Talibans are Pakistan's enemies or not? In the present available evidences, yes they are our enemies because they have openly said in several times that they don't agree with Pakistan's constitution and Pakistani state. This is the same state where SMH lives and his Jamat is one of the contributor of writing its constitution. (The late Prof. Ghafoor signed the document on behlf of jamat, this is the constitution which is bound to work under the law of Quran and Sunnat).Talibans declare the same system of Pakistani state and its constitution is KAFIRANA. In taibans terms jamat has signed a Kafirana constituetion.

4- Talibans are the enemies of Pakistan because they have killed thousands of Pakistanis and have admit the crime openly.

5- Talibans are enemies of Pakistan because their new cheif Fazlullah lives in Afghanistan and has been declared an Indian and Afghan Govt. agent by Gen. Hameed Gul. The same Gen. Hameed Gul is a close friend of SMH and a big sympathizer of Talibans.

6- We are not having any affair with Yahood o nasara and we are not going against Quran (naozu billah). We are dealing with Americans on the basis of international relationships. Prophet (PBUH) also had Sulah -e Hudabiya with Kuffars, because it was necessary to run the Islamic state on that time. Pakistan cannot live without these relationships right now. We cannot afford to declare war with everyone in the world. Pakistan has its priorities and it acts upon them accordingly. This is a normal practice in foreign affair issues. Every other country has to take care of it own affairs. If Pakistani govt. is wrong in its policies then the people of Pakistan have a right to change their govt. through democratic process.

7- Why not Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and other wealthy Islamic states break their close ties with Kuffars? Why not they withdraw all of their wealth from american banks? Why they have americans everywhere in all over Saudi Kingdom and Arabian peninsula? why don't they kick all these americans out of the kingdom?

8- Why not Talibans start war against Saudi Arabia and Kuwait who are the best friends of Americans. Pakistan is a BHOOKA NANGA country, it has to rely on american trades and aids but what is stopping Saudis to break their ties with america? what is their compulsion? Why Munawwar Hassan and Talibans do not declare Jehad against Saudis as they have more close ties with amricans than Pakistan? Everyone knows the answer, nothing to say here on that.

9- Now what is your say when Pakistani people, jamati workers, Afghan mujahideen and Pakistani army were taking help from americans and fighting against Russians in 1980s in Afghanistan and were being killed in that war, were they SHAHEED or MURDAR? Please answer this.

Thanks


let me break down your long srmon in to a brief question format and answer you , your questions.

1- The armed forces from the tribal areas were withdrwan under the Quid e Azam's orders and have been brought back under the American and Bush order.

2- There are many segments of your society which do not accept you constitution but they do not become your enemy. Declaring someone who doesn't believe your constituition doesn't make him/her your enemy. I do , however, agree that they should force Pakistani state to recognize their own constitution and act according to it. I do agree also that the rebellion is not a way to force a nation to implement their own declared Islamic civil code. Other than that, Pakistanis themselves are not interested in Islamic civil laws which is must under their own constitution.

3- Taliban never admitted killing innocent civilians openly. They did, however, admit killing armed personnels and security personnels.

4. Now that is a piece of big hypocracy when you say that Pakistan and American affairs are under international relationship. It is obviously a statement you can not defend. It is a relationship between a Master and Slave. Your mercenary services pay your bills for commodities, armed forces expenses and big chunk of that goes in to the pockets of your corrupt politicians and army generals. The coallition supports fund is mony paid for the security and safety of your continue supply lines for the Nato forces where is is helping occupy Afghanistan .

5- The afghan Mujahideen along with Pakistani army were fighting Russian occupation of Afghanistan. Anyone who help during that war was Shaheed . It was the Muslims fighting Non Muslims . If American helped during the war, it did for its own purpose and Afghanis fought Russian for their own purpose. Now, Afghani Talibans are still fighting Non Muslims who are occupying their country. Their purpose remained the same, However, Pakistani army this time Helping Non Muslims against Muslims and this is where all the conflict is generated. They are getting paid by Non Muslims and they have become the part of the Non Muslim army which is fighting against their own mulims and getting paid for their services. I dot need to say anything but your are quite smart finding out what the defination of Shaheed is.

As far as other Arab countries are concerned, I think they should review their relationship with kuffars, I do agree with you.

I hope it helps........
 
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tudywala

Minister (2k+ posts)
if GEN ZIA and ZAB r shaheed then everybody is shaheed no matter who takes dollar from america or from other forces like india or NDS both parties r rental so topic will be RENT A SHAHEED ,shame on us as nation what we talking about r we naive or stupid what kind of debate we r in ???
 

Aijazahmed

Minister (2k+ posts)

let me break down your long srmon in to a brief question format and answer you , your questions.

Thanks for your reply.


1- The armed forces from the tribal areas were withdrwan under the Quid e Azam's orders and have been brought back under the American and Bush order.

So what? if insurgency was at it's peak in tribal areas and Pakistan had become the epicenter of terrorists activities, then it was necessary for the state of Pakistan to deploy army in those areas. If it was the order of Americans then I second that order as they are our masters, I agree with you.

2- There are many segments of your society which do not accept you constitution but they do not become your enemy. Declaring someone who doesn't believe your constituition doesn't make him/her your enemy. I do , however, agree that they should force Pakistani state to recognize their own constitution and act according to it. I do agree also that the rebellion is not a way to force a nation to implement their own declared Islamic civil code. Other than that, Pakistanis themselves are not interested in Islamic civil laws which is must under their own constitution.
Pakistan's constitution is bound under the laws of Quran and Sunnat, if some one doesn't agree on some clauses then he should come into the power through due process of democracy and fix the constitution according to his own wish and will, otherwise what was wrong with dictators? They also imposed their own versions of constitution with no right to do it. Even though, not following the Constitution at it's fullest or part of it, does not allow anyone to start killing innocent people, and that's where they become the enemies of Pakistan.
3- Taliban never admitted killing innocent civilians openly. They did, however, admit killing armed personnels and security personnels.
One segment of Talibans took the responsibilty of the recent Peshawar bomb blasts and Hakim ullah Mahsood Group
openly said they support this act, it is accroding to Shariyah. You don't have explanation to that, do you?

4. Now that is a piece of big hypocracy when you say that Pakistan and American affairs are under international relationship. It is obviously a statement you can not defend. It is a relationship between a Master and Slave. Your mercenary services pay your bills for commodities, armed forces expenses and big chunk of that goes in to the pockets of your corrupt politicians and army generals. The coallition supports fund is mony paid for the security and safety of your continue supply lines for the Nato forces where is is helping occupy Afghanistan.
I agree with you here, but we will remain slaves forever if we don't set our priorities.
First priority for us is to mind our own business. No more abdominal cramps for muslim Ummah, if no one cares about you why should you?
Second, we have to bring our own house in order, BUT I don't know who will do it? Everyone is a shaddy character here. What a unfortunate nation we are, who is suffering of leadership crisis since our begening.
Third, we need to be educated, but still the same question, who will educate us? Munawwar Hasan type? Sorry.....


5- The afghan Mujahideen along with Pakistani army were fighting Russian occupation of Afghanistan. Anyone who help during that war was Shaheed . It was the Muslims fighting Non Muslims . If American helped during the war, it did for its own purpose and Afghanis fought Russian for their own purpose. Now, Afghani Talibans are still fighting Non Muslims who are occupying their country. Their purpose remained the same, However, Pakistani army this time Helping Non Muslims against Muslims and this is where all the conflict is generated. They are getting paid by Non Muslims and they have become the part of the Non Muslim army which is fighting against their own mulims and getting paid for their services. I dot need to say anything but your are quite smart finding out what the defination of Shaheed is.
This is the confusion you and your JI leader is spreading among Pakistanis. Yazeed the brutal killer,was also a muslim (I niether say him nor Talibans brothers but you do to Talibans at least).
so what is your say about Hazrat Imam Hussain(RA) and his family and other friends who were killed in fighting with this brutal killer? Were they Shaheed or not? As per your, and your Munawwar Hussain's definition they were not Shaheed as they were fighting against a muslim brother. I do take Yazeed and Talibans in the same page and declare them enemies of Islam.

As far as other Arab countries are concerned, I think they should review their relationship with kuffars, I do agree with you.

Very easy to spare friends with a one liner. Please ask Talibans to start Jihad with these biggest supporters of Americans. Killing Bhookey Nangey Pakistanis will not serve the purpose.

I hope it helps........

Please read my blue lines in above. Thanks
 

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