Muslim Sects & Awliya Allah (swt)

modern fakir

MPA (400+ posts)
Is anyone arguing about the Book here ???? ...Everyone here agrees that THE HOLY QURAN IS PERFECT and carries no Faults ...You idiot we are talking about other issues ...so when a few elders are talking the idiots must zip it !


keep up the fight boys ...

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no wonder your Book is "clear guidance" and there is no room for doubt, ambiguity or contradictory interpretations ...
 

Pakistani1947

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
The Quran is easy to understand and remember

keep up the fight boys ...

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no wonder your Book is "clear guidance" and there is no room for doubt, ambiguity or contradictory interpretations ...

thedude, Quraan is no doubt easy to understand and remember. The problem with these blind followers of Peers is that they do not use their own brains. All they try to do, is to justify their Peer's non-Islamic believes through quoting irrelevant and twisted translation of Quraan.
The Quran is easy to understand and remember contrary to what we have learned all our lives that we need an Alim or Tafsir to help us learn the Quran.

The Quran was created by Allah ,our Creator and Sustainer. It was then revealed to our beloved Prophet Mohammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) for the entire human race. The target readers of this book are human beings of different mental levels. This fact itself is the greatest miracle of Quran. Any other book of human creation has a specific target reader. For example a science textbook for a primary class student will be written in such a way that primary students easily understand it. In the same way a book on anatomy for a student of medicine will be meaningful for a medical student. Each book is written at a different level. On the contrary Allah has created Quran: as A Book for All. It would be wrong to say that , It contains something for everybody , rather It contains everything for everybody.

The basic requirement of the reader of Quran is that its contents be understood. It is our basic duty to study it and understand it. Ignorance of Arabic languagetranslations available in English and other languages. We should earnestly try to read these translations. Everybody and anybody can read the Quran. By read is implied that we read it in a language we are comfortable in. It is because the main aim should be to understand the meaning.
should not be a barrier for us. Quran is a book that has been studied and researched the most. There are many beautiful

وَلَقَدْ يَسَّرْنَا الْقُرْآنَ لِلذِّكْرِ فَهَلْ مِن مُّدَّكِرٍ
And We have indeed made the Qur'an easy to understand and remember: then is there any that will receive admonition?
Quraan; 54:17
اور البتہ ہم نے تو سمجھنے کے لیے قرآن کو آسان کر دیا پھر کوئی ہے کہ سمجھے


الَّذِينَ آتَيْنَاهُمُ الْكِتَابَ يَتْلُونَهُ حَقَّ تِلَاوَتِهِ أُولَـٰئِكَ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِهِ ۗ وَمَن يَكْفُرْ بِهِ فَأُولَـٰئِكَ هُمُ الْخَاسِرُونَ
Those to whom We have sent the Book study it as it should be studied: They are the ones that believe therein: Those who reject faith therein,- the loss is their own.
Quraan; 2:121
وہ لوگ جنہیں ہم نے کتاب دی ہے وہ اسے پڑھتے ہیں جیسا اس کے پڑھنے کا حق ہے وہی لوگ اس پر ایمان لاتے ہیں جور اس سے انکار کرتے ہیں وہی نقصان اٹھانے والے ہیں


أَفَلَا يَتَدَبَّرُونَ الْقُرْآنَ أَمْ عَلَىٰ قُلُوبٍ أَقْفَالُهَا
Do they not then earnestly seek to understand the Qur'an, or are their hearts locked up by them?
Quraan; 47:24
پھر کیوں قرآن پر غور نہیں کرتے کیا ان کے دلوں پر قفل پڑے ہوئے ہیں


فَإِنَّمَا يَسَّرْنَاهُ بِلِسَانِكَ لِتُبَشِّرَ بِهِ الْمُتَّقِينَ وَتُنذِرَ بِهِ قَوْمًا لُّدًّا
So have We made the (Qur'an) easy in thine own tongue, that with it thou mayest give Glad Tidings to the righteous, and warnings to people given to contention.
Quraan; 19:97
سو ہم نے فرمان کو تیری زبان میں اس لیےآسان کیا ہے کہ تو اس سے پرہیز گاروں کو خوشخبری سنا دے اور جھگڑنے والوں کو ڈرا دے
 

modern fakir

MPA (400+ posts)
You see ..this is a Classic Trait of the Muslim Sects ..The moment an ancestor of their Sect based belief comes along ..They are very prompt to Join hands with them to condemn the MUSLIMS !...This trait is very similar to that of the Tehrik e Taliban tribe in Pakistan who kill innocent people ....or our so called RICH Gulf country rulers who in the name of Islam one the one hand DO NOTHING to stop the Bloodshed of Muslims in Palestine ..but are very prompt to shake hands with the Devil!

Pakistan1947 ...You truly are classic ...Thanks for coming up here and exposing urself !..Have Fun :)


Is anyone arguing about the Book here ???? ...Everyone here agrees that THE HOLY QURAN IS PERFECT and carries no Faults ...You idiot we are talking about other issues ...so when a few elders are talking the idiots must zip it !
 

Pakistani1947

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
You see ..this is a Classic Trait of the Muslim Sects ..The moment an ancestor of their Sect based belief comes along ..They are very prompt to Join hands with them to condemn the MUSLIMS !...This trait is very similar to that of the Tehrik e Taliban tribe in Pakistan who kill innocent people ....or our so called RICH Gulf country rulers who in the name of Islam one the one hand DO NOTHING to stop the Bloodshed of Muslims in Palestine ..but are very prompt to shake hands with the Devil!

Pakistan1947 ...You truly are classic ...Thanks for coming up here and exposing urself !..Have Fun :)

modern fakir, please talk with logic. When you ran out of logical argument and do not find any support from Quraan and authentic Hadeeths why you start bashing your opponent and start labeling them?
 

Raaz

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Can I say something , just in one post.

The friend of Allah have no sect. As Allah SWT is beyond this stupidity.

Only we people have sects , because we could not understand the Quran and Allah and Islam.

Salafi and Barelive ,both are wrong ( sorry to say, as far I think up to this age and experience)

The better way is the middle of these both sects. These two are extremists.

Better to read Quran , without any intension to find a special thing in the favour of our own sect and criticize other sects.

Today people are doing this.

Try to learn what Allah is saying in his book for us.

Pleas Stay away from any peer like Tahir Ul Qadri ( sorry to say ) and a extremist Salfi Mulla.

Because they could not be the Wali ,or friend of Allah SWT, ..

allah Tala has said , ال فقر و فخری , فقر میرا فخر ہے ...

So the person who does not have فقر could not be friend of Allah.

The first thing in the Allah friend will be فقر....
 

modern fakir

MPA (400+ posts)
What is illogical here Pakistan1947 ? ....Did you not support that christian Dude by calling Muslims "Blind peer followers" ?...What are you a 10 year old ??...I will keep on responding according to the calibre of your response ..If you talk about non sense then i will knock you down ...What Hadith are you talking about ...?? I have proven my Point ...Visiting Graves is a Sunnah of The Prophet Muhammad pbuh ...so you dont like it ...go to some other forum..Maybe this is not the place for you !


modern fakir, please talk with logic. When you ran out of logical argument and do not find any support from Quraan and authentic Hadeeths why you start bashing your opponent and start labeling them?
 

Pakistani1947

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Visiting Graves is a Sunnah of The Prophet Muhammad pbuh ...so you dont like it ...go to some other forum..Maybe this is not the place for you !

There is no dispute that visiting graves is a Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad pbuh. As I said earlier, there is no harm in visiting the graves of Muslims as long as the purpose of visit is to pray for them (the dead) NOT asking the dead inside the grave to help them or bless them with child or asking for any other benefits, if somebody does that it would be SHIRK.

It is forbidden in Islam to build mosques on the graves and to decorate them with pictures and it is forbidden to use the graves as mosques.


 

modern fakir

MPA (400+ posts)
hahahahaha ...which circus do you belong tooo ??...lol lol lol

Good Boy Pakistan1947 ..you finally seem to be coming home ..and i know you will ...then i will take you to some real Graves of Awliya Allah and get rid of this dormant wahhabi virus you contracted...The good part is your virus is like a cold and can be cured ...unlike some folks i know who have this as a cancer and have gone too far.

Make one more adjustment to your attitude ..tHAT visiting Graves of Awliya Allah swt and asking for WASEELA is full of blessings ...why would we visit an average muslims grave for blessings ...This is only reserved for Awliya Allah...Like Sheikh Abdul Qadir al Jilani (ra)...For average muslims yes we only go to their graves to pray for them so that they recieve the sawab!

Thats the way to go ...and the mosque can be built around the grave not on the grave ...Just like masjid e Nabwi and it can be decorated with names of Allah and Pak Kalam's...who in their right mind would put pictures in a mosque ??.


There is no dispute that visiting graves is a Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad pbuh. As I said earlier, there is no harm in visiting the graves of Muslims as long as the purpose of visit is to pray for them (the dead) NOT asking the dead inside the grave to help them or bless them with child or asking for any other benefits, if somebody does that it would be SHIRK.

It is forbidden in Islam to build mosques on the graves and to decorate them with pictures and it is forbidden to use the graves as mosques.


 

makdaone

Councller (250+ posts)
The Family of Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahhaab
Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahhaab comes from the well-known tribe
of Tameem, mentioned in the hadith:

Abu Hurairah said, “I have continued to love the Tribe of Tameem
ever since I heard three statements from the Messenger of Allah
(peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) about them. I heard him
say, ‘They are the strongest of my Nation against the dajjaal (antiChrist).’ When their Zakat came, the Messenger of Allah (peace and
blessings of Allah be upon him) said, ‘This is the zakat of my people.’
Aishah had a slave-girl from them and he said, ‘Free her for she is
from the descendants of Ismaaeel.’” (Recorded by al-Bukhari and
Muslim.)
 

makdaone

Councller (250+ posts)
The name Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahhaab (and
correspondingly Wahhabis and Wahhabism) has been heard quite
often throughout both the Muslim and non-Muslim worlds during the
past two centuries. In reality, ibn Abdul-Wahhaab is not a man who is
shrouded in mystery. His writings, as well as the writings of his
closest students and descendents, are well-known and easily available
today in virtually any part of the world. Although he is not shrouded
in mystery what has been said about him over the years has definitely
been filled with both fact and fiction.
Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahhaab was both a fellow human
being and a fellow Muslim. As such, he has the right to be studied in
an impartial and objective manner. That is, he has the right to a fair
trial. No matter how much one may oppose his teachings, one does

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This means that many issues that are bandied about today must be considered
beyond the scope of this particular work. However, once the critique of certain
policies is tied into Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahhaab and what is called
Wahhabism, then one is no longer speaking about the critique of a certain
country, people or group today. Now one is speaking about principles related to
the religion. One then has to study whether those principles are truly part of
Islam or not. If it is concluded that Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahhaab was truly
following the way of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him),
then the attacks upon ibn Abdul-Wahhaab are also attacks on the Prophet
(peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and the way of life he preached. For
a Muslim, obviously, this makes this topic of utmost importance. In fact, it is
incumbent upon Muslims to defend the honor and truth of their religion, their
prophet and their brethren. The Life, Teachings and Influence of Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahhaab
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not have the right to wrong him. Indeed, the Prophet (peace and
blessings of Allah be upon him) has warned,

Wrongdoing [shall be] darkness on the Day of Resurrection.
(Recorded by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) When speaking about another
person, such as ibn Abdul-Wahhaab or his followers, one should
remember the Prophets teaching,

All of a Muslim is inviolable to every other Muslim, with respect to
his blood, wealth and honor. (Recorded by Muslim.) One must also
be cautious of the Prophets warning,

Beware of the supplication of the wronged for between him and
Allah there is no barrier. (Recorded by al-Bukhari and Muslim.)
Even if one wants to argue that ibn Abdul-Wahhaab and his followers
are not to be considered Muslims, one should be wary of speaking
untruths about them. A narration recorded by Ahmad specifically
states,

Beware of the supplication of the wronged, even if he be a
disbeliever, for before it there is no barrier [that is, between it and
Allah].1
In all cases, impartiality, objectivity, scholarly integrity and
fairness are to be expected from any Muslim. This must be true even


when dealing with ones enemies or ones opponents. Allah has
clearly instructed,

O you who believe! Stand out firmly for Allah, as just witnesses; and
let not the enmity and hatred of others make you avoid justice. Be just:
that is nearer to piety. And fear Allah, for Allah is well-acquainted
with all that you do (al-Maaidah 8). Allah also says,

O you who believe! Stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to
Allah, even as against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and
whether it be (against) rich or poor. Allah is a better protector to both
(than you). So follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest you avoid
justice. And if you distort your witness or decline to give it, verily
Allah is ever well-acquainted with all that you do (al-Nisaa 135).
The above hadiths and verses should make any true believer
shiver from speaking about others with words that are based on
falsehood or filled with unfair or unjust statements.
 

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