Muslim Sects & Awliya Allah (swt)

modern fakir

MPA (400+ posts)
I congratulate you on being one of those who are atleast willing to have an intelligent conversation....Brother,..if the quran and hadith is not enough to open your eyes ..than we have tried our best...Like the arguments you put forward i can also argue that how are u hellbent on proving zakir nailk and other so called scholars you mentioned up there as your sheikhs ??...Are you really being honest with yourself ...DISAGREEING is not equal = Hatred !!

HATRED IS WHAT YOU ARE BREWING NOW !!... Sufi sheikhs are another Name for Aulia Allah ...are you really supporting some sheikhs in lieu of Aulia Allah ?? ...Because we can easily presume that you have this unsubstantiated love for yazid ???


You didnt promote ur Sufis which call are Friends of Allah..u started by hatred of Ibn Taymiyah
this is how u started.."""""Certain Muslim Sects stop people from the following of Imams of fiqh and say that people should read Quran and Hadith on their own and deduce what is right and wrong for them independently. While they preach this theory, they themselves follow Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn Abdul Wahhab blindly.
Salafis accuse Imam Hussain (RU) as a wrong doer and say "Raziallahu ta'la unhu" with Yazid's name. They should decide who stands a good chance to go to Jannah; Imam Hussain (RU) or Yazid?

It is important to note that once you start following Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn Abdul Wahhab, you have joined Salafism at the expense of mainstream Islam for all practical purposes. As a Salafi /Ahle Hadith and the like minded you form distinct groups in Muslims. On the Day of Judgment you will be standing in front of Allah (SWT) along with Yazid, Ibn Abdul Wahhab and the like minded and your judgment will be done along with them. """""
 

Cheeko

Minister (2k+ posts)
Lets examine what the Imams have to tell about Sufis

Imam Abu Hanifa (85 H. - 150 H)
"If it were not for two years, I would have perished." He said, "for two years I accompanied Sayyidina Ja'far as-Sadiq and I acquired the spiritual knowledge that made me a gnostic in the Way."
[Ad-Durr al-Mukhtar, vol 1. p. 43]


Imam Malik (95 H. - 179 H.)
"whoever studies Jurisprudence [tafaqaha] and didn't study Sufism [tasawwaf] will be corrupted; and whoever studied Sufism and didn't study Jurisprudence will become a heretic; and whoever combined both will reach the Truth."
['Ali al-Adawi , vol. 2, p 195.]


Imam Shafi'i (150 - 205 AH.)
"I accompanied the Sufi people and I received from them three knowledges: ...how to speak; how to treat people with leniency and a soft heart... and they... guided me in the ways of Sufism."
[Kashf al-Khafa, 'Ajluni, vol. 1, p 341.]


Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal (164 - 241 AH.)
"O my son, you have to sit with the People of Sufism, because they are like a fountain of knowledge and they keep the Remembrance of Allah in their hearts. they are the ascetics and they have the most spiritual power."
[Tanwir al-Qulub p. 405]

 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Islam is a mission. Those who support it are its friends and those who oppose it are its enemies.

Word wali is otherwise used only in sense of relationships between people.
 

modern fakir

MPA (400+ posts)
It is in Hadith – Prophet Mohammad (SAWS) said our major Jihad is with our ‘Anima’ (Nafs). This Jihad (fight) is continuous throughout our lives. We have explained in detail what is the meaning of reformation of self (anima) in technical terms. Very important information for every Muslim.
 

modern fakir

MPA (400+ posts)
THE MEANING OF TAZKIA NAFS
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THE EVOLUTION OF LIFE IN THE COSMOS

Everything existing in this cosmos that possesses dimensions of length, width and depth and develops as per the demands of its nature is regarded as 'living'.
It is in Quran - تُسَبِّحُ لَهُ السَّمَاوَاتُ السَّبْعُ وَالْأَرْضُ وَمَن فِيهِنَّ ۚ وَإِن مِّن شَيْءٍ إِلَّا يُسَبِّحُ بِحَمْدِهِ وَلَـٰكِن لَّا تَفْقَهُونَ تَسْبِيحَهُمْ ۗ إِنَّهُ كَانَ حَلِيمًا غَفُورًا (Meaning - "The seven heavens (skies) and the Earth, and all beings therein, invoke (glorify - declare) His praise; there is not a single thing but invokes His praise; And yet you do not understand their invocation of His praise! Verily He is Oft-Forbearing, Most Forgiving." ( Bani Isra’il – 44).
The above verse clearly states that every thing in this cosmos is busy in praying Allah ( سبحانہ و تعا لی ) and doing His Zikr.
The life is associated with soul, and not with the body. This is the reason, when soul is taken away from our body, our body cannot move or talk. Allah ( سبحانہ و تعا لی ) says in the above verse that everything in this Cosmos is doing His Zikr or Praise, therefore, the meaning of this verse is, "from a tiny molecule to the magnanimous heavens, all are provided with individual souls.
How souls get associated with their respective bodies?
It is in Quran - (When Adam's - علیھ السلا م - body was created, Allah - سبحانہ و تعا لی says ) "I breathed something (into it) out My soul (Al-Hijr - 29).
It is in Quran - وَيَسْأَلُونَكَ عَنِ الرُّوحِ ۖ قُلِ الرُّوحُ مِنْ أَمْرِ رَبِّي (Meaning - They ask you (O'Prophet - صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) concerning the Soul. Say "the Soul is the command of my Lord (Bani Isreal - 85).
In the same manner when different molecules in this Cosmos mingle and develop into specific shapes, this results in the evolution of specific natures. Once these natures are developed, corresponding souls are associated with them.
The souls of compounds and mixtures rule over the souls of their individual molecular contents.

When molecules of matter mingle with each other in various proportions, specific mineral natures are developed. Corresponding souls, then get associated with each of these minerals.

Natures of metals like iron, gold, silver are different, therefore, their souls are different. When different elements mix with each other in various proportions, specific natures are developed. Like brass which is an alloy of copper and zinc; the proportions of zinc and copper can be varied to create a range of brasses with varying properties.

In the same way, botanical mixtures or compounds become totally different from their elements. Like trees, which develop growing and reproductive capacity. Some of these trees develop food contents in them, like fruits, flowers, and therefore, specific souls are associated with them as per their exigencies.

Over a period of time, some of these formations develop movement and sensing capabilities. These are known as animals. Once these capabilities are developed, corresponding animal souls are associated with them that rule the souls of all their elements and compounds.

When we look at an animal, like cow, we know that it is a combination of the physical body of cow and its commanding soul which commands fractional souls of its body parts.
Similar is the case with other things in this Cosmos. Like, human being is the combination of the human body and its commanding soul which commands the fractional souls of human body parts.

When we ponder over the evolution of this cosmos or the evolution of our planet Earth, we realize that, first the earth was a fire ball, it gradually cooled down, then vegetation developed, then came animals and Jinnies and in the end human beings inhabited the globe.


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THE MEANING OF TAZKIA NAFS
Souls are the source of life, but are invisible. Human soul or any soul associated with anything in this cosmos is not visible and cannot be perceived. However, it can be felt and interacted when it is associated with a body.
It is in Quran -On that Day (of Judgment) no question will be asked of man or Jinn as to his sin’. (Ar-Rahman – 39).
The meaning of the verse is, on the Day of Judgment, questions will not be asked from people as to what sins they committed. The souls of their limbs and other body parts’ will speak to Allah ( سبحانہ و تعا لی ) and inform Him of the sins they committed. Allah ( سبحانہ و تعا لی ) knows the language of every soul created in this cosmos. The stomach will say what wrongful and prohibited food was consumed by it. The eyes will say what prohibited things were witnessed by them and hands and legs will say what wrong doings they committed.
Islamic scholars (Ulema-e-Zaher) cannot comprehend these facts. Therefore, they say that Allah ( سبحانہ و تعا لی ) will give tongue or make every part of the body talk only on the Day of Judgment as a special case.

It is in Quran – ‘Verily, the ear and the eye and the heart – every one of them shall have to answer for, in regard to the way it has functioned’ (Bani Isra’il – 36).

The above verse does not say that Allah ( سبحانہ و تعا لی ) will make human body parts to talk only on the Day of Judgment. It says that every part has to answer for its function.

It is in Quran - تُسَبِّحُ لَهُ السَّمَاوَاتُ السَّبْعُ وَالْأَرْضُ وَمَن فِيهِنَّ ۚ وَإِن مِّن شَيْءٍ إِلَّا يُسَبِّحُ بِحَمْدِهِ وَلَـٰكِن لَّا تَفْقَهُونَ تَسْبِيحَهُمْ ۗ إِنَّهُ كَانَ حَلِيمًا غَفُورًا (Meaning - "The seven heavens (skies) and the Earth, and all beings therein, invoke (glorify - declare) His praise; there is not a single thing but invokes His praise; And yet you do not understand their invocation of His praise! Verily He is Oft-Forbearing, Most Forgiving." ( Bani Isra’il – 44).
The above verse clearly states that every thing in this cosmos is busy in praying Allah ( سبحانہ و تعا لی ) and doing His Zikr. This means that everything is provided with a specific soul in accordance with its nature and exigencies.
When we are hungry, we feel cramps in our stomach and urge to eat. What is this urge? Did you ever try to think about that?

The stomach’s soul is shrieking and demanding the ruler - human soul to provide food urgently. The stomach does not care what kind of food you provide. It will demand the best, like fried chicken, burgers, soft drinks, ice creams, etc.
If you provide all these items in excessive quantities regularly, the stomach, and eventually the whole human body may become fat and sick. The stomach also demands hot prohibited drinks (wine) and prohibited food. It is the job of the human soul to stop the stomach soul from demanding prohibited food. We cannot understand the languages of souls of various parts of our body.
It is in Quran وَمَا أُوتِيتُم مِّنَ الْعِلْمِ إِلَّا قَلِيلًا ( Meaning - You have been given very little knowledge’. (Bani Isra’il – 85).
But we have been provided with sensory knowledge and know what are the demands of various parts of our body.
Some exclusive Awliya Allah are provided with this knowledge and they can communicate with the souls of their body parts. These issues cannot be understood in theory. You need to learn and experience them under the guidance of an experience Shaikh-e-Tareeqah.
It is in Hadith - Narrated Ibn `Umar (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ) who said: The Prophet (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) used to deliver his sermons while standing beside a trunk of a date-palm. When he had the pulpit made, he used it instead. The trunk started crying and the Prophet (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) went to it, rubbing his hand over it (to console). (Bukhari).

It is in Quran - وَمَا مِن دَابَّةٍ فِي الْأَرْضِ وَلَا طَائِرٍ يَطِيرُ بِجَنَاحَيْهِ إِلَّا أُمَمٌ أَمْثَالُكُم ۚ مَّا فَرَّطْنَا فِي الْكِتَابِ مِن شَيْءٍ ۚ ثُمَّ إِلَىٰ رَبِّهِمْ يُحْشَرُونَ ( Meaning - And there is no animal that walks upon the earth nor a bird that flies with its two wings but (they are) species like yourselves; We have not neglected anything in the Book, then to their Lord shall they be gathered. (Al-An'aam - 38).
Human soul is provided with intelligence to understand and deduce things. All fractional souls associated with our body parts are animal souls. They have limited intelligence and limited sensory elation and sorrow as that of animals.

What are sensory and un-sensory perceptions?

Sensory Perception

The capacity to sense virtue and evil; happiness and sorrow, imagination and intention is given only to human soul. Therefore, it is made responsible for all action of the body and is also subjected to torment or recompense depending upon its deeds.

Un-sensory Perception

Un-sensory perception is away from the feelings of joy and sorrow. The souls of animals and other things in the cosmos do have knowledge and partial sensitivities but they do not enjoy the common sense to decide between virtue and evil, therefore they are not subjected to torment or recompense. The souls of human body parts are covered in this category.

Many a times, human soul gets bogged down under the wrongful influences of animal souls of human body parts. It was supposed to be the master of all souls. But, in reality it becomes slave of these souls. That is the reason some human beings involve in all kinds of evil activities, like murder, rape, usurpation of fundamental rights of others and creating discord and hatred in human society. To such people, we say, they are behaving like animals. Indeed, they are not just animals, they are beasts who will do anything to get petty pleasures.

What is human soul?

It is supreme authority appointed by Allah
( سبحانہ و تعا لی ) on all animal souls of human body parts. The human soul gets pleasure in Allah's ( سبحانہ و تعا لی ) obedience. Love, sacrifices and servant hood are its crowns. Its food is Allah’s ( سبحانہ و تعا لی ) invocation (Zikr). Powerful human souls can efficiently manage the subordinate souls of their body parts. When human souls become more powerful, they are referred to as ‘Satisfied souls’.

It is in Quran - يَا أَيَّتُهَا النَّفْسُ الْمُطْمَئِنَّةُ - ارْجِعِي إِلَىٰ رَبِّكِ رَاضِيَةً مَّرْضِيَّةً - فَادْخُلِي فِي عِبَادِي وَ ادْخُلِي جَنَّتِي (Meaning ‘ O’ Satisfied Soul, which is at rest and satisfied, return to your Lord, well pleased and well pleasing and enter my Heaven’. (Al-Fajr – 27- 28).

When human soul becomes content and powerful, it becomes the friend of Allah (Awliya Allah or Sufi Shaikh of Ihsan).


There is always struggle for supremacy between the animal souls of body parts and the master soul of the human being.

What happens to a country whose central government becomes weak? It gets disintegrated and faces anarchy in the country.
Similarly, what happens when our human soul becomes weak? The management of the human body gets destroyed and human being dies of dreaded ailments or by a police bullet or spends most part of life behind bars.
Why this happens? It is because the ruler cannot guide the subordinates to walk on the right path and the subordinates start doing as they like, and become victims of diseases (like HIV/Cancer) or in view of their irrational behavior in society, either spend their time in jails or die of police bullets.
What is Nafs (Anima) ?

Influence of all animal souls of the body parts together is referred to as 'Nafs' which is translated in English as 'Anima'.

When the human soul gets bogged down and submits to the animal souls of human body parts, this state is known as Villainous Anima (Nafs-e-Ammara).

When, during the struggle for supremacy, sometimes the human soul wins and sometimes animal souls of human body parts win, this state is known as ‘Conscious Anima’ (Nafs-e-Lawwama).

When human soul finally wins the struggle and controls the unlawful demands of animal souls of human body parts, this state is known as ‘Satisfied Anima’ (Nafs-e-Mutma’inna).

Meaning, under the command of human soul, all animal souls of human body parts also get rational and stop demanding unlawful pleasures. This is the state which has been referred to in the Quranic verses (Al-Fajr – 27- 28) mentioned above.

It is in Hadith – Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) said our major Jihad is with our ‘Anima’ (Nafs).
This Jihad (fight) is continuous throughout our lives. This means that the human soul should not allow unlawful demands of animal souls of human body parts. This is a continuous struggle through out our lives.

One more issue is important in this context. We cannot question about the nature and exigencies of a creature. Like, if someone questions why tiger is meat eating animal and goat is a grazing animal? These are individual natures and exigencies (necessities). If tiger is fed food grains, it may get sick and most probably die as food grains are against its nature. Similarly, if the goat is fed meat, it may not survive because it is against its nature.

Similarly, we should not get frustrated in thinking why certain human beings are involved in all kinds of evil activities in the world in spite of repeated warnings. These are all their individual natures.

Allah
( سبحانہ و تعا لی ) created human beings, provided them with intelligence, required knowledge and free will. Therefore they are expected to use these faculties as per the commandments of Allah ( سبحانہ و تعا لی ). If they act against this exigency, they will be subjected to torment (azab).

As far as intelligence or common sense is concerned, people can be divided into the following three categories.


Superior those whose nature is elevated, they pay attention towards their natural and elevated instincts and carry out virtuous deeds easily and, as such, success and leadership is associated with them.

Average - those who get their virtuous objectives in the guidance of the superior persons, in their leadership, in their following and within their shield, with a little effort and hard work on their part.

Ordinary those who are with inferior nature, never come to the right path, even if they are explained repeatedly by superior nature person.

The nature of Prophets and Apostles is such that they have natural conformity with the spiritual world. It is in their natural disposition that they take from Allah
( سبحانہ و تعا لی ) and give to His servants. They listen from the truthful Being (Allah – سبحانہ و تعا لی ) and transfer back to His creatures.
It is in Quran - اللَّهُ أَعْلَمُ حَيْثُ يَجْعَلُ رِسَالَتَهُ ( Meaning - Allah - سبحانہ و تعا لی knows it well who is capable for Apostleship) . ( An-A’am - 124).

Virtuous souls, like the family members of Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) his companions and Imams of various Islamic fields, reach to the elevated states in closeness with Allah (سبحانہ و تعا لی) in the guidance and with assistance of Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم).

Similarly, Shaikhs of Ihsan, who are described in Quran as 'friends of Allah (Awliya Allah)' get guidance from the teachings of Sahabah under direct supervision and training of their Shaikhs. This authentic teaching lineage reaches to Prophet Mohammad
(صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) in historically recorded document called Spiritual Chain or Shajra. This documentary evidence is preserved by all truthful Muslims as an evidence of authenticity of their Islamic believes. The people who have not studied Islam under an authentic Shaikh of Ihsan, who are not an anklet of an authentic spiritual chain, it is very difficult for them to walk on the Straight path of Islam.

Salafis and their like minded groups claim that they will learn Quran and Ahadith not from Shaikhs, but by independent individual study. They say that they follow the "Salaf" the first generation Sahabah after Rasulullah
(صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم).
How can someone learn directly from Sahabah (رضئ اللھ تعالی عنہم اجمعین ) after 1350 years, when they are not physically available to teach? In this case, you will have to depend on books. And we all know, we cannot learn by idependent study of books. If this was the case, no one would have gone to a school or university to learn various subjects.

We can understand it by a simple example.

(1) If someone claims that he is an engineer, then he has to provide proof of his education from an authentic university. If he shows proof that he had studied engineering from MIT or IITs, and qualified in the prescribed examinations, then his claim will be upheld by others.
The above example is of a person who has studied Islam under an authentic Shaikh of Islam. His qualification will be acceptable in this world and in Hereafter and he stands a chance of getting salvation on the Day of Judgment in view of his truthful beliefs and virtuous deeds.

(2) Alternatively, if the person shows his engineering degree from an infamous university, people will regard his education as incomplete or even deceptive. People may not say anything openly on his face, but will know that his statement is partially untrue.
The above is the example of a person who has studied Islam under a fake Shaikh or Murshid. His Islamic beliefs will be suspicious.
(3) Suppose a person comes and informs that he is an engineer and tells that he had not studied engineering under any teacher or university and has acquired engineering knowledge from reading engineering books available in the market. Then people will call him crazy because they know that knowledge cannot be acquired only by reading books.

The above is the example of a person who has fallen victim to the misguided sects who propagate that Islam can be studied directly from Quran and Hadith books, and that people need not be trained under the watchful eye of Truthful Islamic teachers for their tazkia (purification of heart).
This strange and rebellious logic was first developed by Ibn Taymiyyah, the founder of Salafism.
It is in Quran – ‘And if they believe not in this declaration (Islamic Testimony – Shahadah), it does not follow that you, O’Prophet (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) should not vex yourself to death by going after them. (Al-Kahaf – 6).

It is in Quran ‘ You (O’ Mohammad - صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم ) cannot guide everyone you like (to the desired objective), but Allah (SWT) guides whom He will. And He is Best Aware of those who walk aright (who can follow guidance). (Al-Qasas – 56
 

Raheem

Banned
I am not promoting anything but the truth ...if people can come to this forum and bad mouth sufi's and Awliya Allah (swt)...Heck some can even come up and reject Allah swt straight up ...no one seems to be offended by that ...I am spreading the true ideology !...I never created these sects ...they are already a fact ...are they willing to join back the mainstream Islam ...NO..so Allah also said to stand for the truth ...thats what were doing !
I am sorry you are promoting hate, how do you know that you are on the right path and rest every body is wrong
 

SalmanKhanN

MPA (400+ posts)
Lol..I dont love Yazid..i am of the view that he was a sinner and be might have done some good deeds..Allah is to decide if he Martyrd hussein RA and if he did Allah SWT is best of Judges..who am i do hate him or Love him..he is no scholar or nothing..he is nothing to me..neither are sufis anything to me..but if those sufis are talking about truth and Quran and Hadith which is authentic..and they are not doing shirk..then i have no problem with sufi..deobandi..or what not..i will follow what authentic stuff they quote..but not blindly..Allah SWT has given me a computer and internet..i have access to different scholars in the world..who worked hard..who have studied from Madina university..and other islamic Universities in Pakistan or India..
they give me proof and u dun give me proof as to who are the sufi saints..if u give me.that Allah SWT has chosen ur sufi saints..then i will follow them too..but u cant give me proof..
i want to go to heaven too..and i will only believe u if u give me proof InshAllah
what i am saying is..u are pickin and choosing who is Friends of Allah SWT and who are not..u are jus saying all sufis are heavenly and all others are nothing..
When only people who will enter Jannah are people who follow the Quran and Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad SAW..
I congratulate you on being one of those who are atleast willing to have an intelligent conversation....Brother,..if the quran and hadith is not enough to open your eyes ..than we have tried our best...Like the arguments you put forward i can also argue that how are u hellbent on proving zakir nailk and other so called scholars you mentioned up there as your sheikhs ??...Are you really being honest with yourself ...DISAGREEING is not equal = Hatred !!

HATRED IS WHAT YOU ARE BREWING NOW !!... Sufi sheikhs are another Name for Aulia Allah ...are you really supporting some sheikhs in lieu of Aulia Allah ?? ...Because we can easily presume that you have this unsubstantiated love for yazid ???
 

onlykami

MPA (400+ posts)
[MENTION=13572]modern fakir[/MENTION] whatever you write is full of lies or maybe you know nothing about salafi's please be neutral and study with all eyes open then say something. First of all the manhaj of salafis's is to understand and follow quran and hadith as the sahaba and tabaen do, and if you are right then there will be no ulema in salafi's but there are.

salafi's never accuses any sahabi its in there aqaid that whatever happen they respect sahaba's and say nothing and also ulema of salaf's are silent on the case of yazid R.A

you never prove that salaf's blind follow Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn Abdul Wahhab.

Please listen this sincerely all of you

[MENTION=14588]pakistani1947[/MENTION]
[MENTION=9841]faiza[/MENTION]
Certain Muslim Sects stop people from the following of Imams of fiqh and say that people should read Quran and Hadith on their own and deduce what is right and wrong for them independently. While they preach this theory, they themselves follow Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn Abdul Wahhab blindly.

Salafis accuse Imam Hussain (RU) as a wrong doer and say "Raziallahu ta'la unhu" with Yazid's name. They should decide who stands a good chance to go to Jannah; Imam Hussain (RU) or Yazid?

It is important to note that once you start following Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn Abdul Wahhab, you have joined Salafism at the expense of mainstream Islam for all practical purposes. As a Salafi /Ahle Hadith and the like minded you form distinct groups in Muslims. On the Day of Judgment you will be standing in front of Allah (SWT) along with Yazid, Ibn Abdul Wahhab and the like minded and your judgment will be done along with them.

We have tried to find out, the chances of salvation of these groups on that fateful Day. Read important information in this context.

http://www.correctislamicfaith.com/fitanatulwahhabiya.htm
 
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babadeena

Minister (2k+ posts)
Please get one thing very clear in minds and heart, making
and identifying in sects are those people who can be anything
but the follower of Allah(SWT) commands. Quran names such
persons with other names, I restraint myself to say so, but
one of them is "disbelieving after Belief".

Shaid kay teray dil mein uttar jay meri baat.
 

modern fakir

MPA (400+ posts)
OK so now your backing off ...and making it clear that your not either on this side of the coin or that ...very clever.. See this is exactly what am Talking about ...If you dont care what happens to yazid then why are you pouncing on the mention of Awliya Allah ??? ...You say that "i have a computer and my sheikhs work hard ...and blah blah blah..." Dude did i ever question your sheikhs hardwork ? - NO ...Am i interested in your sheikhs Hardwork ??...NO...This is what I detest ..ARE WE SUPPOSED TO GIVE ANY WEIGHT TO YOU BEING ON A COMPUTER IS THE UTMOST FOR ISLAMIC RESEARCH ... LOL LOL ???

LIKE WHAT KIND OF LAME COMEBACK IS THIS ????....This is like worrying about your garage door paint chipping off when your house is one fire ...hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

I am talking about TRUE Scholars of ISLAM and I have proven what muslims sects are doing to the Islamic Community and I know that the Majority of the Muslims believe That Awliya Allah are the Right sheikhs to follow...If you have an issue you prove to me why the majority of the muslims shouldnt follow the Awliya Allah ...YOU HAVE AN ISSUE ...NEITHER DO I ..NOR DO THE AWLIYA ALLAH ! :d

Mashallah the aqeeda of the Awliya Allah is all about Love ..Love for Allah (swt)..Love for Beloved Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)..and Love for Sahabas Awliya Allah !...If we have something that is for Allah's sake...Allah Says he has nothing to do with "sects" ...so we hate it .....Simple ...whats YOUR PROBLEM ??



Lol..I dont love Yazid..i am of the view that he was a sinner and be might have done some good deeds..Allah is to decide if he Martyrd hussein RA and if he did Allah SWT is best of Judges..who am i do hate him or Love him..he is no scholar or nothing..he is nothing to me..neither are sufis anything to me..but if those sufis are talking about truth and Quran and Hadith which is authentic..and they are not doing shirk..then i have no problem with sufi..deobandi..or what not..i will follow what authentic stuff they quote..but not blindly..Allah SWT has given me a computer and internet..i have access to different scholars in the world..who worked hard..who have studied from Madina university..and other islamic Universities in Pakistan or India..
they give me proof and u dun give me proof as to who are the sufi saints..if u give me.that Allah SWT has chosen ur sufi saints..then i will follow them too..but u cant give me proof..
i want to go to heaven too..and i will only believe u if u give me proof InshAllah
what i am saying is..u are pickin and choosing who is Friends of Allah SWT and who are not..u are jus saying all sufis are heavenly and all others are nothing..
When only people who will enter Jannah are people who follow the Quran and Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad SAW..
 

modern fakir

MPA (400+ posts)
oH THIS VIDEO IS TRULY ORIGINAL KAMI ......please come up with some solid proofs from the quran and hadith from a Renowned scholar not some high school trainee who himself needs some guidance like all of us up here ..Please dont waste our time ...if you have no solid profs from the quran and sunnah !


Lol..I dont love Yazid..i am of the view that he was a sinner and be might have done some good deeds..Allah is to decide if he Martyrd hussein RA and if he did Allah SWT is best of Judges..who am i do hate him or Love him..he is no scholar or nothing..he is nothing to me..neither are sufis anything to me..but if those sufis are talking about truth and Quran and Hadith which is authentic..and they are not doing shirk..then i have no problem with sufi..deobandi..or what not..i will follow what authentic stuff they quote..but not blindly..Allah SWT has given me a computer and internet..i have access to different scholars in the world..who worked hard..who have studied from Madina university..and other islamic Universities in Pakistan or India..
they give me proof and u dun give me proof as to who are the sufi saints..if u give me.that Allah SWT has chosen ur sufi saints..then i will follow them too..but u cant give me proof..
i want to go to heaven too..and i will only believe u if u give me proof InshAllah
what i am saying is..u are pickin and choosing who is Friends of Allah SWT and who are not..u are jus saying all sufis are heavenly and all others are nothing..
When only people who will enter Jannah are people who follow the Quran and Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad SAW..
 

SalmanKhanN

MPA (400+ posts)
Comeback?? what are u talking about..am i doing a wrestling match with u?? how old are u..u are interested in taking shots rather then getting ur message through..bro i asked u and i keep asking you..who are the Sufis u are talking about..can u plz name them so i can learn about them..why are u hiding there names??i never said i Love yazid.. nor i ever said i hate him..i dunno what world u are living in..i asked u this question 5 times..who are ur sufis who u call are friends of Allah..
I consider Shaykh ul Islam Ibn Taymmiyyah Friend of Allah..I consider Abu Hanifa.. Malik, Ahmed Hanbal and Shafi RA all...friends of Allah SWT..who are ur friends of Allah that no one knows about..can u plz disclose them..if u dont tell me this time about ur sufis ur sheikh then there is no point discussing anything..coz u are here to comeback or low things like that..
U are jus here to spread hatred, u have nothing better to do in life..May Allah SWT guide u to true islam..that is Following Quran and Sunnah..rather then blindly following ur so called sufi saints which u dun want other people to know who they are..i dunno why..
Salam
 

modern fakir

MPA (400+ posts)
I am sorry you are promoting hate, how do you know that you are on the right path and rest every body is wrong

I dont ..but our beloved Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) did know and he mentioned clearly that 72 out of the 73 sects are destined for hell..Only One is destined for heaven and the one that follows the The Prophets (pbuh) and the way of the sahaba will be the main Jamah...Hence, if you look at today the MOST DOMINANT JAMAT of Muslims are the ones who BELIEVE IN THE LAST PROPHET (PBUH) AND AWLIYA ALLAH ...That is the Jamat ..not salafi or wahabi !..Go around Pakistan, Turkey, Iran, India, Indonesia and see how Islam spread there ...was it the wahabis of today or was it the sufi saints ...You will find your answer and if you dont ..then its not meant to be ...Have fun!!
 

modern fakir

MPA (400+ posts)
Im old enough Buddy ..!!!...You sound more to me like a wrestling enthusiast than anything else..and im not the one belittling you, you urself our...On the one hand ..you want to LEARN ABOUT AWLIYA ALLAH FROM ME AFTER NEGATING THEM ..and towards the end of ur statement you wrongfully accuse me of spreading hatred...when YOU have used these words ..Not me !... My Awliya Allah are the ones which the majority of Muslims recognise ...All the sheikhs of Fikh ..such as the ones you mentioned above...Sheikh Abdul Qadir Gilani .(RA)..Sheikh Khwaja Moinuddin Chisti,,, Baba Farid Ganj Shakr and Many more ...


So this is not the WWF ... this is a Forum and Im spreading what I believe is the Truth ...You have an issue ..quit reading and watch WWF !...have fun!..salam

Comeback?? what are u talking about..am i doing a wrestling match with u?? how old are u..u are interested in taking shots rather then getting ur message through..bro i asked u and i keep asking you..who are the Sufis u are talking about..can u plz name them so i can learn about them..why are u hiding there names??i never said i Love yazid.. nor i ever said i hate him..i dunno what world u are living in..i asked u this question 5 times..who are ur sufis who u call are friends of Allah..
I consider Shaykh ul Islam Ibn Taymmiyyah Friend of Allah..I consider Abu Hanifa.. Malik, Ahmed Hanbal and Shafi RA all...friends of Allah SWT..who are ur friends of Allah that no one knows about..can u plz disclose them..if u dont tell me this time about ur sufis ur sheikh then there is no point discussing anything..coz u are here to comeback or low things like that..
U are jus here to spread hatred, u have nothing better to do in life..May Allah SWT guide u to true islam..that is Following Quran and Sunnah..rather then blindly following ur so called sufi saints which u dun want other people to know who they are..i dunno why..
Salam
 

SalmanKhanN

MPA (400+ posts)
Praise be to Allaah.
When speaking about people, what we say must be based on knowledge and fairness. In the case of a man who has achieved a great deal in the way of religion, we must acknowledge his achievements, but that does not prevent us from pointing out his mistakes. This general principle is to be applied when speaking of Shaykh ‘Abd al-Qaadir al-Jilaani and other Muslim scholars.

Shaykh ‘Abd al-Qaadir (may Allaah have mercy on him) is one of the imaams of Islam. He attained a position of leadership over the Muslims of his time, in knowledge, good deeds, issuing fatwas and other aspects of religion. He was one of the greatest shaykhs of his time, enjoining adherence to the sharee’ah, enjoining what is good, forbidding what is evil, and giving that precedence over all else. He was an ascetic (zaahid) and a preacher, in whose gatherings many people repented. Allaah caused him to be well-liked by people and his virtue became widely-known – may Allaah bestow abundant mercy upon him.

Shaykh ‘Abd al-Qaadir was a follower, not an innovator. He followed the way of the righteous salaf and in his books he encouraged people to follow the salaf; he also enjoined that upon his followers. He used to tell people not to follow innovations in religion, and he stated clearly that he was opposed to the ahl al-kalaam (“Islamic philosophers”) such as the Ash’aris and their ilk.

Shaykh ‘Abd al-Qaadir agreed with Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah – the followers of truth – concerning all issues of ‘aqeedah (belief), namely Tawheed, faith, Prophethood, and the Last Day.

There are some minor mistakes and errors in his books, and some innovations which are relatively insignificant when compared with his achievements. To find out more about them, along with an explanation of where he went wrong, please see Shaykh ‘Abd al-Qaadir al-Jilaani wa Araa’uhu al-I’tidaaqiyyah wa’l-Soofiyyah, by Shaykh Dr. Sa’eed ibn Musfir al-Qahtaani, 440-476.

Moreover, it is not right to make one Muslim scholar, let alone anyone else, the sole source of what is true and correct, in the sense that one takes what he says as being true and what goes against that as being false – not Shaykh ‘Abd al-Qaadir and not anyone else. Rather the truth is that which is in accordance with the Qur’aan and Sunnah, no matter who says it, and what goes against the Qur’aan and Sunnah should be ignored and avoided, even if it is said by ‘Abd al-Qaadir al-Jilaani, Maalik, al-Shaafa’i, Ahmad or anyone else.

There is a point which we must make here, which is that praising Shaykh ‘Abd al-Qaadir does not mean praising everyone who claims to follow him. Not everyone who claims to follow a shaykh or a tareeqah or anything else is to be believed. How often has it happened that a person who is thought to be a true follower turned out to be the farthest removed from what was thought to be the case? How many misleading people don the cloak of asceticism and piety when they have nothing to do with either of them? Hence the Sufi tareeqah which is known nowadays as the Qaadiriyyah is not following the straight path which the Shaykh (may Allaah have mercy on him) followed, rather it is a deviant Sufi tareeqah which has deviated from the guidance of the Qur’aan and Sunnah; it exaggerates a great deal about Shaykh ‘Abd al-Qaadir and even attributes to him things that can only rightfully be attributed to Allaah. Some of them exaggerate concerning his grave, seeking help from it, and some of them exaggerate about his attributes and miracles (karaamah).

By comparing the actions of those who claim to follow the shaykh with what is narrated in the Qur’aan and Sunnah, what was narrated from the righteous salaf and even what was narrated from the Shaykh himself (may Allaah have mercy on him), we will clearly see that there is a huge gap between the two, and that the Qaadiri group has deviated from the path of its shaykh whom they claim to be following. That is because they have introduced so many innovations (bid’ahs) into the religion of Allaah, that the Shaykh would never have approved of. It has been narrated from the respectable scholars that they regarded this group as extreme, for example what was said by Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) in his refutation of al-Bakri concerning the issue of ziyaarah or visiting graves (1/228), and in the fatwas of Shaykh Muhammad ibn Ibraaheem Aal al-Shaykh, indicates that they have committed some actions of shirk.

See: Fataawa Ibn Ibraaheem, 1/276, 109

Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 2/250-252

Al-Durar al-Sunniyyah, 1/74
Im old enough Buddy ..!!!...You sound more to me like a wrestling enthusiast than anything else..and im not the one belittling you, you urself our...On the one hand ..you want to LEARN ABOUT AWLIYA ALLAH FROM ME AFTER NEGATING THEM ..and towards the end of ur statement you wrongfully accuse me of spreading hatred...when YOU have used these words ..Not me !... My Awliya Allah are the ones which the majority of Muslims recognise ...All the sheikhs of Fikh ..such as the ones you mentioned above...Sheikh Abdul Qadir Gilani .(RA)..Sheikh Khwaja Moinuddin Chisti,,, Baba Farid Ganj Shakr and Many more ...


So this is not the WWF ... this is a Forum and Im spreading what I believe is the Truth ...You have an issue ..quit reading and watch WWF !...have fun!..salam
 

SalmanKhanN

MPA (400+ posts)
Praise be to Allaah.

The word “Sufism” was not known at the time of the Messenger or the Sahaabah or the Taabi’een. It arose at the time when a group of ascetics who wore wool (“soof”) emerged, and this name was given to them. It was also said that the name was taken from the word “soofiya” (“sophia”) which means “wisdom” in Greek. The word is not derived from al-safa’ (“purity”) as some of them claim, because the adjective derived from safa’ is safaa’i, not soofi (sufi). The emergence of this new name and the group to whom it is applied exacerbated the divisions among Muslims. The early Sufis differed from the later Sufis who spread bid’ah (innovation) to a greater extent and made shirk in both minor and major forms commonplace among the people, as well as the innovations against which the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) warned us when he said, “Beware of newly-invented things, for every newly-invented thing is an innovation and every innovation is a going-astray.” (Reported by al-Tirmidhi, who said it is saheeh hasan).

The following is a comparison between the beliefs and rituals of Sufism and Islam which is based on the Qur’aan and Sunnah.

Sufism has numerous branches or tareeqahs, such as the Teejaniyyah, Qaadiriyyah, Naqshbandiyyah, Shaadhiliyyah, Rifaa’iyyah, etc., the followers of which all claim that their particular tareeqah is on the path of truth whilst the others are following falsehood. Islam forbids such sectarianism. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“… and be not of al-mushrikoon (the disbelievers in the Oneness of Allaah, polytheists, idolaters, etc),

Of those who split up their religion (i.e., who left the true Islamic monotheism), and became sects, [i.e., they invented new things in the religion (bid’ah) and followed their vain desires], each sect rejoicing in that which is with it.” [al-Room 30:31-32]

The Sufis worship others than Allaah, such as Prophets and “awliya’” [“saints”], living or dead. They say, “Yaa Jeelaani”, “Yaa Rifaa’i” [calling on their awliya’], or “O Messenger of Allaah, help and save” or “O Messenger of Allaah, our dependence is on you”, etc.

But Allaah forbids us to call on anyone except Him in matters that are beyond the person's capabilities. If a person does this, Allaah will count him as a mushrik, as He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And invoke not, besides Allaah, any that will neither profit you, nor hurt you, but if (in case) you did so, you shall certainly be one of the zaalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers).” [Yoonus 10:106]

The Sufis believe that there are abdaal, aqtaab and awliya’ (kinds of “saints”) to whom Allaah has given the power to run the affairs of the universe. Allaah tells us about the mushrikeen (interpretation of the meaning):

“Say [O Muhammad]: ‘…And who disposes the affairs?’ They will say. ‘Allaah.’…” [Yoonus 10:31]

The mushrik Arabs knew more about Allaah than these Sufis!

The Sufis turn to other than Allaah when calamity strikes, but Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And if Allaah touches you with harm, none can remove it but He, and if He touches you with good, then He is Able to do all things.” [al-An’aam 6:17]

Some Sufis believe in wahdat al-wujood (unity of existence). They do not have the idea of a Creator and His creation, instead they say that everything is creation and everything is god.

The Sufis advocate extreme asceticism in this life and do not believe in taking the necessary means or in jihaad, but Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“But seek with that (wealth) which Allaah has bestowed on you, the home of the Hereafter, and forget not your portion of legal enjoyment in this world…” [al-Qasas 28:77]

“And make ready against them all that you can of power…” [al-Anfaal 8:60]

The Sufis refer the idea of ihsaan to their shaykhs and tell their followers to have a picture of their shaykh in mind when they remember Allaah and even when they are praying. Some of them even put a picture of their shaykh in front of them when they are praying. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Ihsaan is when you worship Allaah as if you can see Him, and although you cannot see Him, He can see you.” (Reported by Muslim).

The Sufis allow dancing, drums and musical instruments, and raising the voice when making dhikr, but Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“The believers are only those who, when Allaah is mentioned, feel a fear in their hearts…” [al-Anfaal 8:2]

Moreover, you see some of them making dhikr by only pronouncing the Name of Allaah, saying, “Allaah, Allaah, Allaah.” This is bid’ah and has no meaning in Islam. They even go to the extreme of saying, “Ah, ah” or “Hu, Hu.” The Sunnah is for the Muslim to remember his Lord in words that have a true meaning for which he will be rewarded, such as saying Subhaan Allaah wa Alhamdulillah wa Laa ilaaha illa Allaah wa Allaahu akbar, and so on.

The Sufis recite love poems mentioning the names of women and boys in their dhikr gatherings, and they repeat words such as “love”, “passion”, “desire” and so on, as if they are in a gathering where people dance and drink wine and clap and shout. All of this has to do with the customs and acts of worship of the mushrikeen. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Their salaah (prayer) at the House (of Allaah, i.e., the Ka’bah at Makkah) was nothing but whistling and clapping of hands…”

[al-Anfaal 8:35]

Some Sufis pierce themselves with rods of iron, saying, “O my grandfather!” So the shayaateen come to them and help them, because they are seeking the help of someone other than Allaah . Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And whosoever turns away (blinds himself) from the remembrance of the Most Beneficent (Allaah), We appoint for him a shaytaan (devil) to be a qareen (intimate companion) for him.”

[al-Zukhruf 43:36]

The Sufis claim to have gnosis and knowledge of the unseen, but the Qur’aan shows them to be liars. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Say: ‘None in the heavens and the earth knows the ghayb (unseen) except Allaah…’” [al-Naml 27:65]

The Sufis claim that Allaah created the world for the sake of Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), but the Qur’aan shows them to be liars. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And I (Allaah) created not the jinns and humans except they should worship Me (Alone).” [al-Dhaariyaat 51:56]

Allaah, may He be glorified and exalted, addressed His Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) with the words (interpretation of the meaning):

“And worship your Lord until there comes unto the certainty (i.e., death).” [al-Hijr 15:99]

The Sufis claim that they can see Allaah in this life, but the Qur’aan shows them to be liars. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“[Moosa said:] ‘O my Lord! Show me (Yourself), that I may look upon You.’ Allaah said, ‘You cannot see Me…’” [al-A’raaf 7:143]

The Sufis claim that they take knowledge directly from Allaah, without the mediation of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and in a conscious state (as opposed to dreams). So are they better than the Sahaabah??

The Sufis claim that they take knowledge directly from Allaah, without the mediation of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). They say, “Haddathani qalbi ‘an Rabbi (My heart told me from my Lord).”

The Sufis celebrate Mawlid and hold gatherings for sending blessings on the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), but they go against his teachings by raising their voices in dhikr and anaasheed (religious songs) and qaseedahs (poems) that contain blatant shirk. Did the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) celebrate his birthday? Did Abu Bakr, ‘Umar, ‘Uthman, ‘Ali, the four imaams or anyone else celebrate his birthday? Who knows more and is more correct in worship, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and the Salaf, or the Sufis?

The Sufis travel to visit graves and seek blessings from their occupants or to make tawaaf (ritual circumambulation) around them or to make sacrifices at these sites, all of which goes against the teachings of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): “Do not travel to visit any place but three mosques: al-Masjid al-Haraam [in Makkah], this mosque of mine [in Madeenah] and al-Masjid al-Aqsa [in Jerusalem].” (Agreed upon).

The Sufis are blindly loyal to their shaykhs, even when what they go against the words of Allaah and His Messenger. But Allaah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning):

“O you who believe! Do not put (yourselves) forward before Allaah and His Messenger…” [al-Hujuraat 49:1]

The Sufis use talismans, letters and numbers for making decisions and for making amulets and charms and so on.

The Sufis do not restrict themselves to the specific blessings on the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) that were narrated from him. They invented new formulas that involve seeking his blessings and other kinds of blatant shirk which are unacceptable to the one on whom they are sending blessings.

With regard to the question of the whether the Sufi shaykhs have some kind of contact, this is true, but their contact is with the shayaateen, not with Allaah, so they inspire one another with adorned speech as a delusion (or by way of deception), as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And so We have appointed for every Prophet enemies – shayaateen (devils) among mankind and jinns, inspiring one another with adorned speech as a delusion (or by way of deception). If your Lord had so willed, they would not have done it…” [al-An’aam 6:112]

And Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“… And, certainly, the shayaateen (devils) do inspire their friends (from mankind)…” [al-An’aam 6:121]

“Shall I inform you (O people!) upon whom the shayaateen (devils) descend?

They descend on every lying, sinful person.” [al-Shu’ara 221-222]

This is the contact that is real, not the contact that they falsely claim to have with Allaah. Exalted be Allaah far above that. (See Mu’jam al-Bida’, 346 –359).

When some of these Sufi shaykhs disappear suddenly from the sight of their followers, this is the result of their contact with the shayaateen, who may even carry them to a distant place and bring them back in the same day or night, to mislead their human followers.

So the important rule here is not to judge people by the extraordinary feats that they may do. We should judge them by how closely or otherwise they adhere to the Qur’aan and Sunnah. The true friends of Allaah (awliya’) are not necessarily known for performing astounding feats. On the contrary, they are the ones who worship Allaah in the manner that He has prescribed, and not by doing acts of bid’ah. The true awliya’ or friends of Allaah are those whom our Lord has described in the hadeeth qudsi narrated by al-Bukhaari in his Saheeh (5/2384) from Abu Hurayrah, who said:

The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Allaah said, ‘Whoever shows enmity towards a friend (wali) of Mine, I declare war against him. My slave does not draw close to Me with anything more loved by Me than the religious duties that I have enjoined on him, and My slave continues to draw close to Me with supererogatory (naafil) acts, so that I will love him. When I love him, I am his hearing with which he hears, his seeing with which he sees, his hand with which he strikes and his foot with which he walks. Were he to ask [something] of Me, I would surely give it to him, and were he to ask Me for refuge, I would surely grant him it.’”

And Allaah is the Source of Strength and the Guide to the Straight Path.
http://islamqa.com/en/ref/4983/
 

modern fakir

MPA (400+ posts)
Felicitations ....After all you have atleast come out of the closet Pakistan1947, salman khan ..and tom, nick and harry ....I very well understood that you are a closet sect follower which is why the name of Aulia Allah pinches you the most .... every slight mention of the truth and it upsets you...you accuse me of spreading hatred ...Have you read your post above which you are now posting for the 1000th time ???

Now where are your morals and love for fairness ??.... You can Bad mouth sufi saints and thats all fine now ??? ...Now you have lost all moral authority!!
 

moazzamniaz

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
پاکستان میں پاۓ جانے والے چاروں بڑے مسلم فرقے صحیح ہیں اور بالکل صحیح ہیں. البتہ ہر فرقے کے صرف گنتی کے چند عقائد ایسے ہیں کہ جن سے دوسرے انسانوں کے حقوق غصب کیے جاتے ہیں، دوسرے مسلمانوں کے خلاف نفرت پھیلائی جاتی ھے، دوسرے انسانوں کا ناحق قتل عام کیا جاتا ھے.اور ایسے عقائد کا اسلام سے دور کا بھی کوئی واسطہ نہیں. اسلئیے ایسے غلط عقائد سے بچنا چاہیے. باقی فرقے چاروں ہی ایک جیسے مسلمان ہیں

مگر یہ سب اوپر کی باتیں اپنے فرقے کے کنویں میں مینڈک رہ کر کبھی سمجھ نہیں آ سکتیں. خاص طور پر جب تک اپنے احتساب کی بجاۓ دوسرے فرقوں کا تنقیدی پوسٹ مارٹم کرنا بند نا کیا گیا. صوفیا کرام نے اسی لیے خود ملامتی اور خود احتسابی پر بہت زور دیا ھے کہ بقول چاچا کپی"زندگی دوسروں کی خامیوں کو اجاگر کرنے سے نہیں بلکہ اپنی خوبیوں پر گزرتی ھے
 
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modern fakir

MPA (400+ posts)
Visiting Graves and the Correct understanding of
Quranic verses and Ahadith

In the court of Allah ( سبحانہ و تعا لی ) the believers and non-believers are treated differently.
It is in Quran - أُولَـٰئِكَ هُمُ الْمُؤْمِنُونَ حَقًّا ۚ لَّهُمْ دَرَجَاتٌ عِندَ رَبِّهِمْ وَمَغْفِرَةٌ وَرِزْقٌ كَرِيمٌ [Meaning - Those are they who are in truth believers. For them are Grades (of honor) with their Lord, and pardon, and a bountiful provision. (Al-Anfal - 4)]
It is in Quran - وَلَوْ تَرَىٰ إِذْ يَتَوَفَّى الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا ۙ الْمَلَائِكَةُ يَضْرِبُونَ وُجُوهَهُمْ وَأَدْبَارَهُمْ وَذُوقُوا عَذَابَ الْحَرِيقِ[Meaning - If you could see how the angels receive those who disbelieve, smiting faces and their backs and (saying): Taste the punishment of burning! (Al-Anfal - 50)]
It is in Quran - أَمْ حَسِبَ الَّذِينَ اجْتَرَحُوا السَّيِّئَاتِ أَن نَّجْعَلَهُمْ كَالَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَعَمِلُوا الصَّالِحَاتِ سَوَاءً مَّحْيَاهُمْ وَمَمَاتُهُمْ ۚ سَاءَ مَا يَحْكُمُونَ [ Meaning - As for those who (do not have faith, and) indulge in (evil) sinful doings, do they think that We place them - both in their life and their death - on equal footing with those who have attained to faith and do righteous deeds? Bad indeed is their judgment. ] (Al-Jathiya - 21)

The above Quranic verses clearly specify that there are grades of honor and rewards for pious Muslims in Hereafter; while non believers and hypocrites are treated as criminals and are punished for their crimes. Therefore, the Graves of pious believers and the graves of disbelievers and hypocrites are not treated as same, even by the Angels.
Since the graves of non-believers (Mushrikeen) and hypocrites are the places of apostasy, we are forbidden from visiting them or making these graves higher from the ground or make domes over them.
Take the examples of mosques, churches and temples which are built as massive structures, but these buildings are not treated alike. Mosque is a place where we pray Allah( سبحانہ و تعا لی )[COLOR=[URL=http://www.siasat.pk/forum/misc.php?do=dbtech_usertag_hash&hash=222280%5D%5BFONT%3DGeorgia%5D]#222280][/URL] while Churches and Temples are places of apostasy where idols are worshiped; therefore, we should avoid visiting them for the purpose of prayers. [/COLOR]
The pious grave of Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) and graves of Sahabah (رضئ اللھ تعالی عنہم اجمعین ) and Awliya Allah are like gardens of Paradise, where they receive paradise's cool breeze, therefore, building tombs over them is very much liked by Allah ( سبحانہ و تعا لی ) and His Apostle (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم). We have explained this issue in detail in a separate Article. Read that Article
Prophet Mohammad's (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) place is exalted in the cosmos, as described in verse أَن يَبْعَثَكَ رَبُّكَ مَقَامًا مَّحْمُودًا ( Meaning - Allah - سبحانہ و تعا لی will raise you to the highest place of praise and glory ) (Al-Isra - 79). Therefore, his resting place, his pious grave, is naturally exalted in the cosmos and should be honored accordingly.

It is in Hadith - Narrated 'Abdullah bin Zaid Al-Mazini (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ): Allah's Apostle (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) said, "Between my house (currently his pious grave) and the pulpit (in Masjid-e-Nabawi) there is a Garden of the Gardens of Paradise." (Bukhari - Book #21, Hadith #286).
It is common sense that no one would like to visit the graves of Mushrikeen or hypocrites in the first place. It is also a known fact that we visit the graves of sinful (fasiq) Muslims only to pray for their pardon from Allah ( سبحانہ و تعا لی ). We do not sit there, or kiss their graves with reverence or ask them to pray for us. A person who is undergoing Azab for his wrong deeds, he neither deserves respect (on par with Awliya Allah) nor he can help others by his Dua.
In our physical world also, we go to important officials to recommend our case to higher authorities. We do not go to a convict who is undergoing Jail term and ask for his help. If we do that, people will laugh at us.
Allah( سبحانہ و تعا لی ) loves everything related to Awliya Allah; be it their homes in this world, or their graves. This is the reason, their sacred bodies remain fresh in their graves. Read More (Part - III)
When we visit Rawdha-e-Rasool (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) or Graves of Sahabah (رضئ اللھ تعالی عنہم اجمعین ) and Awliya Allah, we should pay a lot of respect. We can touch these graves, or kiss them and request Awliya Allah to pray for us for our benefit in both the worlds. Remember, we don't go Sahabah and Awliya Allah's graves to seek their pardon from Allah ( سبحانہ و تعا لی ). If we do that, it will be treated as disrespect and we may be punished for our irrational behavior.
It is in Quran – يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لَا تَرْفَعُوا أَصْوَاتَكُمْ فَوْقَ صَوْتِ النَّبِيِّ وَلَا تَجْهَرُوا لَهُ بِالْقَوْلِ كَجَهْرِ بَعْضِكُمْ لِبَعْضٍ أَن تَحْبَطَ أَعْمَالُكُمْ وَأَنتُمْ لَا تَشْعُرُونَ- إِنَّ الَّذِينَ يَغُضُّونَ أَصْوَاتَهُمْ عِندَ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ أُولَـٰئِكَ الَّذِينَ امْتَحَنَ اللَّهُ قُلُوبَهُمْ لِلتَّقْوَىٰ ۚ لَهُم مَّغْفِرَةٌ وَأَجْرٌ عَظِيمٌ - ( Meaning - O' you who believe! Raise not your voices above the voice of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم), nor speak aloud to him in talk, as you may speak aloud to one another, lest your deeds become vain and you perceive not. Those that lower their voices in the presence of Allah's Messenger(صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم), their hearts has Allah ( سبحانہ و تعا لی ) tested for piety: for them is Forgiveness and a great Reward. (Al-Hujraat 2-3).

We are positive that no one in this world will ever be able to bring forth a 'Sahih report' from the Salaf or Khalaf prohibiting visiting the grave of the Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) for tabarruk and tawassul by him after his death.



Salafis and their like minded groups confuse innocent Muslims by imposing Quranic verses and Ahadith on Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم), Sahabah (رضئ اللھ تعالی عنہم اجمعین ) and Awliya Allah which were actually meant for non believer Makkan Pagans and hypocrites.

In the following paragraphs, we explained this issue in detail and have cleared all doubts created by Salafis.
(1) It is in Quran - إِنَّمَا وَلِيُّكُمُ اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُوا الَّذِينَ يُقِيمُونَ الصَّلَاةَ وَيُؤْتُونَ الزَّكَاةَ وَهُمْ رَاكِعُونَ (Meaning - Your guardian (or solver of grievances) can only be Allah ( سبحانہ و تعا لی ) and His Messenger ( صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم ) and those who believe, who establish Salah, and pay Zakat and bow down (in prayer) (Al-Maeda - 55) ( Pickthal translation).
The above verse clearly establishes that Allah ( سبحانہ و تعا لی ) is the Guardian and solver of grievances of people. In addition, Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) is also the guardian and solver of grievances of people in the sense that Allah ( سبحانہ و تعا لی ) listens to his prayers more than anyone else. Similarly, Sahabah (رضئ اللھ تعالی عنہم اجمعین ) and Awliya Allah are also guardians and solvers of grievances of people in the sense that their Dua is answered faster than the Dua of sinful Muslims.
The above Quranic verse clearly establishes the authenticity of Isteghatha (asking for help) and Tawassul (Mediation) of Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم), Sahabah (رضئ اللھ تعالی عنہم اجمعین ) and Awliya Allah, during their lives and after their deaths.
Ibn Taymiyya (1263-1328 ), the number one in command of Salafis wrote -
QUOTE - Some people came to the pious grave of our Prophet Mohammad ( صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم ) and requested something and their needs were fulfilled. In the same way, the pious people can also fulfill the needs of the people and we do not deny this. (Iqtida as-Sarat al-Mustaqim-page 373 by Ibn Taymiyya). UNQUOTE.
We are providing below Arabic Manuscripts about Imam Ahmad affirming seeking blessings from the Prophet (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) by touching and kissing his Minber and Grave.
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وفي كتاب سؤالات عبد الله بن أحمد بن حنبل لأحمد رضي الله عنه قال: سألت أبي عن مسّ الرجل رمانة المنبر يقصد التبرك وكذلك عن مس القبر فقال: لا بأس بذلك ا.هـ.

وفي كتاب العلل ومعرفة الرجال ما نصه: سألته عن الرجل يمس منبر النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم ويتبرك بمسه ويقبّله ويفعل بالقبر مثل ذلك أو نحو هذا يريد بذلك التقرب إلى الله جل وعز، وقال: لا بأس بذلك ا.هـ.
و التبرّك لغة هو طلب البركة أي الخير .. اللهم انفعنا ببركة سيدنا محمّد صلى الله عليه و سلم.
English Translation of the above Manuscripts
In the book “Su’alat (Questions of) Abdullah, son of Ahmad bin Hanbal to Ahmad” He said: “I asked my father (Ahmad bin Hanbal) about the person that touches the “Rummanah” Podium Knob (Where the Prophet - صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم - used to put his hand) with the intention of seeking blessings, and about touching the Grave of Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) for blessings, he (Ahmad) said: “Nothing wrong with that”.

(2) It is in Hadith - Narrated Ali Ibn Abu Talib (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ): Abu Salih al-Ghifari (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ) reported: Ali (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ) (once) passed by Babylon during his travels. The Mu'adhdhin (the person who calls for prayer) came to him to call for the afternoon prayer. When Ali ( رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ) passed by that place, he commanded to announce for the prayer. After finishing the prayer he said: My affectionate friend (Prophet - صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) prohibited me to say prayer in the Graveyard. He also forbade me to offer prayer in Babylon because it is accursed. (Abu Dawood - Book #2, Hadith #0490).
The above Hadith clearly states that we should not offer prayers near the graves of Mushrikeen and those who were killed by Wrath of Allah ( سبحانہ و تعا لی ) (Babylon).
However, this is not the case with the Graves of pious Sahabah and Awliya Allah. It is in Hadith, Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) performed Id Al-Adha prayer near Baqi because all graves at that time belonged to Sahabah (see Hadith No. 8 below).
(3) It is in Quran - 'فَتَوَلَّىٰ عَنْهُمْ وَقَالَ يَا قَوْمِ لَقَدْ أَبْلَغْتُكُمْ رِسَالَةَ رَبِّي وَنَصَحْتُ لَكُمْ وَلَـٰكِن لَّا تُحِبُّونَ النَّاصِحِينَ [Meaning - So Salih (علیھ السلا م ) left them saying: O'my People, I did indeed convey to you the message for which I was sent by my Lord: I gave you good counsel but you love not good Counselors] (Al-Araf - 79).
The above verse refers that Prophet Salih (علیھ السلا م ) addressed his people, after they were perished by Allah's ( سبحانہ و تعا لی ) Wrath (Azab), and reminded them that what he said during their life time was truth.
Similarly, it is in Hadith (narrated by Bukhari, Muslim and others) that Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) addressed the dead bodies of pagans killed at Badar and reminded them that what he said to them during their life time was correct.
(4) It is in Hadith - Narrated Hisham's father: It was mentioned before Ummul Momineen Aisha (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہا) that Ibn 'Umar (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ) attributed the following statement to the Prophet (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) "The dead person is punished in the Grave because of the crying and lamentation of his family." On that, Ummul Momineen Aisha (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہا) said, "But Allah's Apostle (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) said, 'The dead person is punished for his crimes and sins while his family cry over him then." She added, "And this is similar to the statement of Allah's Apostle (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) when he stood by the (edge of the) well which contained the corpses of the pagans killed at Badr, 'They hear what I say.' She added, "But he said now they know very well what I used to tell them was the truth." Ummul Momineen Aisha (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہا) then recited (the Quranic verses): فَإِنَّكَ لَا تُسْمِعُ الْمَوْتَىٰ [Meaning - You cannot make the dead hear] (Ar-Room - 52) and وَمَا أَنتَ بِمُسْمِعٍ مَّن فِي الْقُبُورِ [Meaning - You cannot make those who are in Graves, hear you.] (Fatir - 22) that is, when they had taken their places in Fire. (Bukhari - Book #59, Hadith #316).
The above Hadith, Ummul Momineen Aisha (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہا) refers to the Hadith of Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) about the Pagans killed at Badr and makes a distinction between the two categories of dead people; (i) the non-believers and hypocrites (ii) Believers and pious Muslims. She clarifies that we cannot make the dead non-believers and hypocrites hear while they are undergoing Azab-e-Qabr. How can they hear to our voice properly among the loud noise of beating by hunters and other instruments of Azab as well as their constant shrieks in pain.

But this is not the case with pious Muslims. They are in comforts in their life after death. They can very well hear to our call and reply to our questions, as the boy replied to Hazrat Umer (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ) when he visited his grave.

(5) It is in Quran - وَلَا تُصَلِّ عَلَىٰ أَحَدٍ مِّنْهُم مَّاتَ أَبَدًا وَلَا تَقُمْ عَلَىٰ قَبْرِهِ ۖ إِنَّهُمْ كَفَرُوا بِاللَّهِ وَرَسُولِهِ وَمَاتُوا وَهُمْ فَاسِقُون [Meaning - 'And never, (O' Prophet - صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) pray (funeral prayer) for anyone of them that dies, nor stand at his Grave. Certainly they disbelieved in Allah ( سبحانہ و تعا لی ) and His Apostle (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) and died in a state of rebellion'. (at-Tauba -84).
The above Quranic verse clearly specifies that we should not stand (sit or pray) near the Graves of non-believers and hypocrites.
However, we are allowed to visit, stand or sit and pray near the graves of pious Muslims. We can also stand near the grave of a fasiq Muslim to pray for his pardon from Allah ( سبحانہ و تعا لی ).
(6) It is in Hadith - Prophet Mohammad ( صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم ) said: The people before you took graves as mosques. I prohibit this to you." ( Masnad Ahmad).
(7) It is in Hadith - Prophet Mohammad ( صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم ) said :" Do not pray facing a grave and do not sit on one." (Sahih Muslim)
Both the above Ahadith refer to the old customs of Pagans, Jews and Christians who built structures on the graves of their dead to worship them. This has been forbidden in Islam.
Salafis quote the above Ahadith to misguide Muslims that reading of Quran or doing Salah near the graves of Awliya Allah is not allowed. This is their ill conceived notion which is against the teachings of Quran and Ahadith.
(8) It is in Hadith - Narrated Al-Bara (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ): The Prophet (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) went towards Al-Baqi (the Graveyard at Medina) on the day of Id-ul-Adha and offered a two-Rakat prayer (of 'Id-ul-Adha).... (part of the Hadith). (Bukhari - Book #15, Hadith #93).
There are innumerable Ahadith that Sahaba read Quran, did zikr near the pious grave of Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم). They kissed, embraced and requested the Prophet to solve their problems related to this world.


(9) It is in Hadith - Narrated Buraydah ibn al-Hasib (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ) : The Prophet (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) said: I forbade you three things, and now I command (permit) you for them. I forbade you to visit graves, now you may visit them, for in visiting them there is admonition. I forbade you drinks except from skin vessels, but now you may drink from any kind of vessels, but do not drink an intoxicant. I forbade you to eat the meat of sacrificial animals after three days, but now you may eat and enjoy it during your journeys. (Abu Dawood - Book #26, Hadith #3689).
The above Hadith clarifies an important issue. Pagans used to consider idols as God and a source of recommendation to their Chief Idol God. All kinds of rituals and practices like touching, kissing, pouring milk or blood of slaughtered animal over these idols were widespread among pagan society. Some of them perhaps used to do these rituals with the graves of their prominent dead people. Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) stopped Muslims from all that, including visiting the Pagan graves.
In the initial period of Islam the graveyards were full of the graves of pagans. Therefore Muslims were stopped from visiting these graves as these belonged to non-believers. After some years, when Muslim graveyards like Jannatul Baqi at Madina were developed, Prophet (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) permitted Muslims to visit Graveyards.
In the same way, restrictions in other areas were also lifted as Muslims were sufficiently trained in Islam.
(10) It is in Hadith - Narrated Ummul Momineen Aisha (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہا) and 'Abdullah bin 'Abbas (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ) : When the last moment of the life of Allah's Apostle (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) came, he started putting his 'Khamisa' on his face and when he felt hot and short of breath he took it off his face and said, "May Allah ( سبحانہ و تعا لی ) curse the Jews and Christians for they built the places of worship at the Graves of their Prophets." The Prophet (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) was warning (Muslims) of what those had done. (Bukhari Book #8, Hadith #427).
(11) It is in Hadith - Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ): The Apostle of Allah (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) cursed women who visit Graves, those who built mosques over them and erected lamps (there). (Abu Dawood - Book #20, Hadith #3230)

(12) It is in Hadith - Yahya (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ) related to me from Malik (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ) from Zayd ibn Aslam (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ) from Ata ibn Yasar (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ) that the Messenger of Allah (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) said, "O Allah( سبحانہ و تعا لی )! Do not make my Grave an idol that is worshiped. The anger on those who took the Graves of their Prophets as places of prostration was terrible." (Muatta' Imm Malik - Book #9, Hadith #9.24.88)
Ahadith nos 10, 11 and 12 above specify that the Christians and Jews associated divinity with their Prophets and made Churches and Prayer halls over the graves of their Prophets. In the above Ahadith Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) is referring to that practices and warning Muslims never to follow the foot steps of Jews and Christians.
The above restriction is related with idolizing prophets as divine beings and making worship houses over their graves.
Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) also shows anger on women who visit the graves (of non-Muslim pagan relatives) and he is stopping Muslims from falling victims to such practices.
However, women can visit Muslim graveyards when they observe proper Hijab.
We have not come across any Hadith in the entire Hadith literature in which Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) stopped people from celebrating his birthday or arranging Islamic gatherings to show happiness.
There is a difference in building a tomb over the grave of a Mushrik or hypocrite and building a tomb over the grave of a beloved of Allah ( سبحانہ و تعا لی ).
 

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In Islam there is no dogma and no ritualism because islam is a deen not mazhab.

Islam is all about believing what is based upon clear proof and can be proven and it is not based upon make beliefs.


Muslims have taken on nonmuslim ideas and stopped research and exploration and created a very bad situation wherein research and exploration is restricted by enforcement of make beliefs.


Under such conditions whatever people in control say islam is, is taken as islam and anything else is not allowed. Research and exploration is something that only and only starts from position of free stance and willingness to accept whatever the outcome. In it preconceptions have no place and dogmas are preconceived ideas so dogmas and exploration are opposite things.


Stupidity was abound before prophet of islam, during his life time and after him.


The quran explains terms used in the quran in sense of what they really meant and not what people took them to mean. This point has been grossly ignored. Allah uses certain words for his purposes and the same words were used by people for their purposes. Tafaseers just accepted use of people and ignored the purpose of Allah for using those terms.


This is why there is so much misunderstanding about everything and the result is sectarianism.

If we really want to know what the quran means by use of certain words we need to open up to the ideas of the quran otherwise we will not benefit from existence of the quran just as we have not so far for centuries. Muslims are getting worse than nonmuslims in make beliefs.

Mullas have been ignoring the information about islam by people whom they have been taking as bud aqeedah people who were actually promoting beliefs based upon evidences whereas bud aqeedah people are actually those who just believe anything blindly. This is why today wrong beliefs are found abound amongst muslims but right beliefs are rare.
 
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