"Mind Your Business" - This is how Captan Safdar relipes to Omer Cheema's Question on Nawaz Sharif's
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dude please enough with jokes..you are not being serious when u say than Shareef brothers have declared their assets.
and again..no deadline was given on assets declaration..and if u have any proof of imran khan promising tsunami march for closure of nato supplies please share it with us.
i find it funny how my PMLN brothers go on and present Imran khan as the biggest problem for pakistan. dude he has never been in power. shareef brothers have ruled this country 5 times. made countless promises that were broken. made a deal with musharaf and ran away. then lied about it,
so i would ask you to wake up now. stop presenting this propognada, think about your country for once and give imran khan a chance
Every politician has to submit asset details - Ok that was before Imo made an issue about it. Check out Umar Asad's interview on 'Bang e Dira' where he apologizes about many promises which have been made.
PTI is a traditional party - political slogans, political u-turns and political short comings. I don't consider Imo to be the biggest problem in Pakistan but there is nothing different in PTI. The worse aspect is that it is playing these game before coming to power painting a grim picture of whats in store once they come in power.
I am pretty awake, I find PMLN stand on Army interference to be more suitable. I at least don't indulge in propaganda and have solid reasons for my political leanings. As for a chance JI is far more cleaner and already has most of the things which Imo promises with a proven long term record. Why don't you consider JI?
[MENTION=27148]Sedqal[/MENTION] ... Bhai jan ... if you plan to debate ... at least get your facts straight ... So do you want me to start naming names now of the people who have switched parties and joined PML-N ... Come on buddy ... don't be a hypocrite ... Remember when you are pointing a finger towards the other ... 4 of your fingers are pointing back towards you. Do you really want me to remind you of the PML-N history and how it was formed? Why are you so much worried about PTI workers ... give me the name of one PML-N worker who the Sharif Bros. have boosted to a national level position... It is all within the family. You know that quite well too however you are forced to defend him either because you yourself are somehow related to him or you are getting some sort of carrot just like few other friends of yours. Why don't you name me one close relative of Imran in PTI's high level leadership? If you want to debate something that bring facts ... show what have your leaders done when in power either federally or provincially to change the lives of common folk ... Absolutely nothing... These moronic leaders of yours think they can buy votes by distributing laptops from our tax paid money ... then they are so very wrong. Even if you a little bit of conscience and love for your country, I would recommend reading a leading authority Raymond Baker's book Capitalism - Achilles Heel in case you have any doubts about the corruption of the status quo parties including the one you are supporting... Just to make this a bit more easier for you ... Here's a portion from that book for your reading pleasure. Remember Google is your friend.
Raymond Baker in his book Capitalisms Achilles Heel: Dirty Money and How to Renew the Free-Market System tried to understand the dynamics of how dirty money works.
Pages 82-85 of the book cover the section on Nawaz Sharif: While Benazir Bhutto hated the generals for executing her father, Nawaz Sharif early on figured out that they held the real power in Pakistan. His father had established a foundry in 1939 and, together with six brothers, had struggled for years only to see their business nationalized by Ali Bhuttos regime in 1972. This sealed decades of enmity between the Bhuttos and the Sharifs. Following the military coup and General Zias assumption of power, the businessIttefaqwas returned to family hands in 1980.Nawaz Sharif became a director and cultivated relations with senior military officers. This led to his appointment as finance minister of Punjab and then election as chief minister of this most populous province in 1985. During the 1980s and early 1990s, given Sharif s political control of Punjab and eventual prime ministership of the country, Ittefaq Industries grew from its original single foundry into 30 businesses producing steel, sugar, paper, and textiles, with combined revenues of $400 million, making it one of the biggest private conglomerates in the nation. As in many other countries, when you control the political realm, you can get anything you want in the economic realm.
With Lahore, the capital of Punjab, serving as the seat of the familys power, one of the first things Sharif did upon becoming prime minister in 1990 was build his long-dreamed-of superhighway from there to the capital,Islamabad. Estimated to cost 8.5 billion rupees, the project went through two biddings. Daewoo of Korea, strengthening its proposals with midnight meetings, was the highest bidder both times, so obviously it won the contract and delivered the job at well over 20 billion rupees.
A new highway needs new cars. Sharif authorized importation of 50,000 vehicles duty free, reportedly costing the government $700 million in lost customs duties. Banks were forced to make loans for vehicle purchases to would-be taxi cab drivers upon receipt of a 10 percent deposit.Borrowers got their Nawaz Sharif cabs, and some 60 percent of them promptly defaulted. This left the banks with $500 million or so in unpaid loans. Vehicle dealers reportedly made a killing and expressed their appreciation in expected ways. Under Sharif, unpaid bank loans and massive tax evasion remained the favorite ways to get rich. Upon his loss of power the usurping government published a list of 322 of the largest loan defaulters, representing almost $3 billion out of $4 billion owed to banks. Sharif and his family were tagged for $60 million. The Ittefaq Group went bankrupt in 1993 when Sharif lost his premiership the first time. By then only three units in the group were operational, and loan defaults of the remaining companies totaled some 5.7 billion rupees, more than $100 million.
Like Bhutto, offshore companies have been linked to Sharif, three in the British Virgin Islands by the names of Nescoll, Nielson, and Shamrock and another in the Channel Islands known as Chandron Jersey Pvt. Ltd. Some of these entities allegedly were used to facilitate purchase of four rather grand flats on Park Lane in London, at various times occupied by Sharif family members. Reportedly, payment transfers were made to Banque Paribas en Suisse, which then instructed Sharif s offshore companies Nescoll and Nielson to purchase the four luxury suites.
In her second term, Benazir Bhutto had Pakistans Federal Investigating Agency begin a probe into the financial affairs of Nawaz Sharif and his family. The probe was headed by Rehman Malik, deputy director general of the agency. Malik had fortified his reputation earlier by aiding in the arrest of Ramzi Yousef, mastermind of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. During Sharif s second term, the draft report of the investigation was suppressed, Malik was jailed for a year, and later reportedly survived an assassination attempt, after which he fled to London. The Malik report, five years in the making, was released in 1998, with explosive revelations:
The records, including government documents, signed affidavits from Pakistani officials, bank files and property records, detail deals that Mr. Malik says benefited Mr. Sharif, his family and his political associates:
What brought Sharif down in his second term was his attempt to acquire virtually dictatorial powers. In 1997 he rammed a bill through his compliant parliament requiring legislators to vote as their party leaders directed. In 1998 he introduced a bill to impose Sharia law (Muslim religious law) across Pakistan, with himself empowered to issue unilateral directives in the name of Islam. In 1999 he sought to sideline the army by replacing Chief of Staff Pervez Musharraf with a more pliable crony. He forgot the lessons he had learned in the 1980s: The army controls Pakistan and politicians are a nuisance. As Musharraf was returning from Sri Lanka, Sharif tried to sack him in midair and deny the Pakistan International Airways flight with 200 civilians on board landing rights in Karachi. Musharraf radioed from the aircraft through Dubai to his commander in Karachi, ordering him to seize the airport control tower, accomplished as the plane descended almost out of fuel. Musharraf turned the tables and completed his coup, and Sharif was jailed.
But Sharif had little to fear. This, after all, is Pakistan. Musharraf needed to consolidate his power with the generals, and Sharif knew details about the corruption of most of the brass. Obviously, it is better to tread lightly around the edges of your peer groups own thievery. So Musharraf had Sharif probed, tried, convicted, and sentenced to life in prison, but then in 2000 exiled him to Saudi Arabia.Twenty-two containers of carpets and furniture followed, and, of course, his foreign accounts remained mostly intact. Ensconced in a glittering palace in Jeddah, he is described as looking corpulent amidst opulent surroundings. Reportedly, he and Benazir Bhutto even have an occasional telephone conversation, perhaps together lamenting how unfair life has become
Raymond Baker in his book Capitalisms Achilles Heel: Dirty Money and How to Renew the Free-Market System tried to understand the dynamics of how dirty money works.
Corruption and criminality run from the top down, with the political class constantly looting the national treasury and distorting economic policy for personal gain. Bank loans are granted largely on the basis of status and connections. The rich stash much of their money abroad in those willing western coffers, while exhibiting little inclination to repay their rupee borrowings. Pakistans recent history has been dominated by two familiesthe Bhuttos and the Sharifsboth merely tolerated by the military, the real power in the country. When it comes to economic destruction, theres not a lot of difference among the three.
Pages 82-85 of the book cover the section on Nawaz Sharif: While Benazir Bhutto hated the generals for executing her father, Nawaz Sharif early on figured out that they held the real power in Pakistan. His father had established a foundry in 1939 and, together with six brothers, had struggled for years only to see their business nationalized by Ali Bhuttos regime in 1972. This sealed decades of enmity between the Bhuttos and the Sharifs. Following the military coup and General Zias assumption of power, the businessIttefaqwas returned to family hands in 1980.Nawaz Sharif became a director and cultivated relations with senior military officers. This led to his appointment as finance minister of Punjab and then election as chief minister of this most populous province in 1985. During the 1980s and early 1990s, given Sharif s political control of Punjab and eventual prime ministership of the country, Ittefaq Industries grew from its original single foundry into 30 businesses producing steel, sugar, paper, and textiles, with combined revenues of $400 million, making it one of the biggest private conglomerates in the nation. As in many other countries, when you control the political realm, you can get anything you want in the economic realm.With Lahore, the capital of Punjab, serving as the seat of the familys power, one of the first things Sharif did upon becoming prime minister in 1990 was build his long-dreamed-of superhighway from there to the capital,Islamabad. Estimated to cost 8.5 billion rupees, the project went through two biddings. Daewoo of Korea, strengthening its proposals with midnight meetings, was the highest bidder both times, so obviously it won the contract and delivered the job at well over 20 billion rupees.
A new highway needs new cars. Sharif authorized importation of 50,000 vehicles duty free, reportedly costing the government $700 million in lost customs duties. Banks were forced to make loans for vehicle purchases to would-be taxi cab drivers upon receipt of a 10 percent deposit.Borrowers got their Nawaz Sharif cabs, and some 60 percent of them promptly defaulted. This left the banks with $500 million or so in unpaid loans. Vehicle dealers reportedly made a killing and expressed their appreciation in expected ways. Under Sharif, unpaid bank loans and massive tax evasion remained the favorite ways to get rich. Upon his loss of power the usurping government published a list of 322 of the largest loan defaulters, representing almost $3 billion out of $4 billion owed to banks. Sharif and his family were tagged for $60 million. The Ittefaq Group went bankrupt in 1993 when Sharif lost his premiership the first time. By then only three units in the group were operational, and loan defaults of the remaining companies totaled some 5.7 billion rupees, more than $100 million.
Like Bhutto, offshore companies have been linked to Sharif, three in the British Virgin Islands by the names of Nescoll, Nielson, and Shamrock and another in the Channel Islands known as Chandron Jersey Pvt. Ltd. Some of these entities allegedly were used to facilitate purchase of four rather grand flats on Park Lane in London, at various times occupied by Sharif family members. Reportedly, payment transfers were made to Banque Paribas en Suisse, which then instructed Sharif s offshore companies Nescoll and Nielson to purchase the four luxury suites.
In her second term, Benazir Bhutto had Pakistans Federal Investigating Agency begin a probe into the financial affairs of Nawaz Sharif and his family. The probe was headed by Rehman Malik, deputy director general of the agency. Malik had fortified his reputation earlier by aiding in the arrest of Ramzi Yousef, mastermind of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. During Sharif s second term, the draft report of the investigation was suppressed, Malik was jailed for a year, and later reportedly survived an assassination attempt, after which he fled to London. The Malik report, five years in the making, was released in 1998, with explosive revelations:
The records, including government documents, signed affidavits from Pakistani officials, bank files and property records, detail deals that Mr. Malik says benefited Mr. Sharif, his family and his political associates:
- At least $160 million pocketed from a contract to build a highway from Lahore, his home town, to Islamabad, the nations capital.
- At least $140 million in unsecured loans from Pakistans state banks.
- More than $60 million generated from government rebates on sugar exported by millscontrolled by Mr. Sharif and his business associates.
- At least $58 million skimmed from inflated prices paid for imported wheat from the United States and Canada. In the wheat deal, Mr. Sharif s government paid prices far above market value to a private company owned by a close associate of his in Washington, the records show. Falsely inflated invoices for the wheat generated tens of millions of dollars in cash.
What brought Sharif down in his second term was his attempt to acquire virtually dictatorial powers. In 1997 he rammed a bill through his compliant parliament requiring legislators to vote as their party leaders directed. In 1998 he introduced a bill to impose Sharia law (Muslim religious law) across Pakistan, with himself empowered to issue unilateral directives in the name of Islam. In 1999 he sought to sideline the army by replacing Chief of Staff Pervez Musharraf with a more pliable crony. He forgot the lessons he had learned in the 1980s: The army controls Pakistan and politicians are a nuisance. As Musharraf was returning from Sri Lanka, Sharif tried to sack him in midair and deny the Pakistan International Airways flight with 200 civilians on board landing rights in Karachi. Musharraf radioed from the aircraft through Dubai to his commander in Karachi, ordering him to seize the airport control tower, accomplished as the plane descended almost out of fuel. Musharraf turned the tables and completed his coup, and Sharif was jailed.
But Sharif had little to fear. This, after all, is Pakistan. Musharraf needed to consolidate his power with the generals, and Sharif knew details about the corruption of most of the brass. Obviously, it is better to tread lightly around the edges of your peer groups own thievery. So Musharraf had Sharif probed, tried, convicted, and sentenced to life in prison, but then in 2000 exiled him to Saudi Arabia.Twenty-two containers of carpets and furniture followed, and, of course, his foreign accounts remained mostly intact. Ensconced in a glittering palace in Jeddah, he is described as looking corpulent amidst opulent surroundings. Reportedly, he and Benazir Bhutto even have an occasional telephone conversation, perhaps together lamenting how unfair life has become
You are saying exactly the same thing. There is no merit in PMLN and no merit in PTI. If you want to a debate point out how PTI is establishing a merit in their party (specifically at the highest echelons).
as for the book review, if any corruption is proved they should give exemplary punishments to the offender, be it Nawaz Sharif or anyone else. Though pray tell how much do you trust Benazir Bhutto and Rehman Malik, since the main report which the author is referencing to is made by Rehman Malik at the insistence of Benazir Bhutto and both PMLN and PPP has confessed to making fake cases for political reasons. Also enlighten us as to why Musharraf left this gold mine of information (the report was already published at that time) against Shariff?
[MENTION=27148]Sedqal[/MENTION] ... Brother at least you have the courage to accept the fact that there is ZERO merit in PML-N as well as the other status quo parties. At the same time you haven't given an example of No merit in PTI. You still haven't answered my question about which of Imran's relatives are holding positions in the core PTI leadership. Also don't forget PTI is the only party who is going through an internal election - a true democratic process that no other party has ever gone through ... except for maybe MQM. Also Imran hasn't even given out electoral tickets so your allegation has no merit in itself ... let's wait and see however knowing Imran for few years now where he has done whatever he has said ... and don't forget he does not even have any power compared to other parties such as PPP, PML-N etc. who actually have the power and the budget to do stuff for Pakistan and all they have done is line up their own pockets.
Have you had the chance to see a documentary by BBC ... from Pakistan to Park Lane from few years back (can be viewed on Youtube and many other websites) ... Connect the dots my friend... you don't have to be a rocket scientist. If the Sharifs are so clean and all these documenary and books proving their corruption are based on lies and are due to politics of revenge, why wouldn't he sue the author of the book and BBC for maligning and tarnishing their image and reputation? Remember few people tried to do same thing to Imran and Imran sued them and won. Maybe if these looter leaders don't trust their own justice system ... at least they trust the systems in UK and other Western countries where they have billions of dollars stashed and where they have billions of dollars/pounds worth of properties and they go every year for their medical. Come on buddy ... these countries unlike ours have public access to information ... and you can easily find out about the billion of dollars of worth of properties that Sharif family and their heirs own. Have you had the courage to ask them how and from the funds transferred from Pakistan to UK ... it's all black money which was laundered through their fraudulent activities.
Also if these corrupt parties were so clean ... why would they do even do a NRO? Sab chor hain bhai ... they all have proofs of each others corruption and that's why they are all afraid including Mushy that if they expose the other, the other party will expose them.... Is hamam main saare hee ... aap samajh gae hon ge. All of what I have written is based on factual information that you can verify through various sources nationally and internationally.... so I am prepared to debate even more with you...but make sure you talk with sense and logic and back it with facts ... Don't just make allegations just for the sake of allegations.
Have you had the chance to see a documentary by BBC ... from Pakistan to Park Lane from few years back (can be viewed on Youtube and many other websites) ... Connect the dots my friend... you don't have to be a rocket scientist. If the Sharifs are so clean and all these documenary and books proving their corruption are based on lies and are due to politics of revenge, why wouldn't he sue the author of the book and BBC for maligning and tarnishing their image and reputation? Remember few people tried to do same thing to Imran and Imran sued them and won. Maybe if these looter leaders don't trust their own justice system ... at least they trust the systems in UK and other Western countries where they have billions of dollars stashed and where they have billions of dollars/pounds worth of properties and they go every year for their medical. Come on buddy ... these countries unlike ours have public access to information ... and you can easily find out about the billion of dollars of worth of properties that Sharif family and their heirs own. Have you had the courage to ask them how and from the funds transferred from Pakistan to UK ... it's all black money which was laundered through their fraudulent activities.
Also if these corrupt parties were so clean ... why would they do even do a NRO? Sab chor hain bhai ... they all have proofs of each others corruption and that's why they are all afraid including Mushy that if they expose the other, the other party will expose them.... Is hamam main saare hee ... aap samajh gae hon ge. All of what I have written is based on factual information that you can verify through various sources nationally and internationally.... so I am prepared to debate even more with you...but make sure you talk with sense and logic and back it with facts ... Don't just make allegations just for the sake of allegations.
usmankhan001
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oh yar tm log ab pmln k tweets k pechay par gaye o .. ye pata karlia karo k ye accnt real hay k nae aur ye fake accnt hay
crankthskunk
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sure Brov, I would
shaheedchoudry
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MainBaghiHon
Minister (2k+ posts)
Main Na Kehta Tha Yeh Buhat Hi ajeeb Aadmi Hai PTI Kay Karkun Ka Dard Liyay Yeh SMQ Ko Criticize Kerta Hai Baad Main Capt. Safdar Ko Level Kernay Kay Liyay SMQ Ka Hi Sahara Layta Hai. @alimohsan52
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bohat purani kahawat hai susraal mai gharr jawai kuuuuutta behan ke gharr mai rehney wala bhai kuuuuttta :lol:
unique
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bara admi bn gya hy
arslan4u
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Bara admi nahi, bara be'ghairat ban gaya hai... apnay bhai Zardari jaisa.
