Lal Masjid commando seeks Nawaz support

[PML(N) Star]

Wednesday, June 09, 2010
By By Umar Cheema
ISLAMABAD: Ghulam Ahmad, one of the two Army commandos court-martialled for opposing the Lal Masjid operation, who earlier wrote to Chief Justice of Pakistan, has decided to approach Nawaz Sharif also, for securing relief as he served with him in the Attock Fort during the latters detention.

Ghulam Ahmad was deputed to guard Nawaz Sharif who was thrown in the fort after he was overthrown in a bloodless coup by the then Army chief, Pervez Musharraf.

A family member recollecting the words of Ghulam Ahmad said he had fond memories of the time spent with Nawaz Sharif. It was a terrible time for Nawaz Sharif and we tried to provide him the maximum possible comfort, one family member said, quoting the court-martialled soldier. Ghulam Ahmads family is a staunch supporter of the PML-N. Even this time, they voted for the partys candidate from Chakwal, Ayaz Amir, a renowned journalist who contested on the PML-N ticket.

I used to feel bad to see Mian Sahib in a pathetic condition and wondered how the most powerful man of yesterday has been left on our mercy, Ghulam Ahmad would discuss with his friends later. I once had a chance to speak with Main Sahib and said: Dont worry. God will be kind on you. Recalling Nawaz Sharifs departure to Saudi Arabia under a deal with Pervez Musharraf government, Ghulam Ahmad is said to have told his close friends that they couldnt get wind of the matter.

It was the holy month of Ramazan. Nawaz Sharif invited all his security guards deputed to guard him him to break their fasts together. Who knows when we may see each other again, Ghulam Ahmad told his friends, saying Sharifs last line left all of them guessing as what may happen the next day. The riddle was resolved when Nawaz Sharif was escorted out of the fort and flown to Saudi Arabia.

Now when Ghulam Ahmad is passing through a difficult time, he is desperate to contact every influential person he knows, hoping that somebody could relieve him of this agony and help him approach the superior courts for a review of his court martial judgment. Incidentally, Ghulam Ahmad had also closely worked with the late Lt Col Haroon-ul-Islam, commanding officer of Zarar Company, who had ordered taking him into custody for dissenting views on the Lal Masjid operation. Ghulam Ahmad and Lt Col Haroon had received SSG training together in Cherat, a family source said.

It is intriguing to note that Ghulam Ahmad was detained on May 2, 2007 for dissenting views about an operation launched two months later. Such an early action and debate within the Zarar Company suggests the operation was on the cards months before the military action, said an analyst.

In another development, Ghulam Ahmad, who was previously kept in the Adiala Jail, was shifted to Gujrat on Tuesday. A jail official said a high-profile call by other than the prison authorities had led to this action. Shahid Shehzad, his co-accused, who was also court-martialled on the same grounds, has been shifted to a jail in Jhelum.

The SSP Adiala, Saeedullah Gondal, while talking to The News confirmed their transfer to other jails but said it had been taken place a week ago. He said the decision was pressure-free and was not taken after a phone call, adding they had been transferred to other jails on security reasons.

The Adiala Jail is full of high-profile accused as it houses as many as 70 Taliban arrested in suicide attacks. Likewise, the accused in cases of attacks on Musharraf, who were kept in Adiala for a long time, now have been shifted to high-security barracks in Faisalabad, he said.

The sectarian militants picked up for murder of a police officer, Raja Saqlain, have been shifted to Multan Jails high security barracks, he said.

source

 

[PML(N) Star]

Ghulam Ahmed, You are a true hero of Pakistan for opposing that massacre of innocent kids and women (clap)(clap)

 

[sarmad]

Kudos to the man for standing upto the dictator.

 

[mehwish_ali]

* There were 100s of Pak Commandoes and normal Army Jawans involved in the Operation.

* Not a SINGLE One of them supported this LIE of Media that 1500+ Talibaat have been killed in the Operation.
No, not a SINGLE Talibah was killed, but only the fanatic Terrorists were killed.

* Initially a case was registered against Musharraf that he is a killer of those 1000s of missing Talibaat.

But you know what, it was the Lal Mosque People itself, who then themselves took this case back from the Court, presenting the lame excuse they don't want any retaliation.

What strange that 1500+ Talibaat are missing and they don't want to do a SINGLE STRUGGLE to find them out?

* Up till now, not the name of SINGLE Talibah out of those 1500+ Talibaat has been presented.


By Allah, the Propaganda of Mullah is even worst than Jews and Christians and hatred against Musharraf made MEDIA so much blind that they are spreading this Lie every where without even questioning a single thing.

You see there were some Missing Persons and Chief Justice took the sou motto action. But in case of these 1500+ Talibaat, no such action by Chief Justice, no such action by Parent of these 1500+ Talibaat, the Witness of all these Pakistani Commandos and Army Men is against this claim, ......... what a deaf and blind nation we are who still believe that 1500 Talibaat have been killed.

 

[furry87]

* There were 100s of Pak Commandoes and normal Army Jawans involved in the Operation.

* Not a SINGLE One of them supported this LIE of Media that 1500+ Talibaat have been killed in the Operation.
No, not a SINGLE Talibah was killed, but only the fanatic Terrorists were killed.

* Initially a case was registered against Musharraf that he is a killer of those 1000s of missing Talibaat.

But you know what, it was the Lal Mosque People itself, who then themselves took this case back from the Court, presenting the lame excuse they don't want any retaliation.

What strange that 1500+ Talibaat are missing and they don't want to do a SINGLE STRUGGLE to find them out?

* Up till now, not the name of SINGLE Talibah out of those 1500+ Talibaat has been presented.


By Allah, the Propaganda of Mullah is even worst than Jews and Christians and hatred against Musharraf made MEDIA so much blind that they are spreading this Lie every where without even questioning a single thing.

You see there were some Missing Persons and Chief Justice took the sou motto action. But in case of these 1500+ Talibaat, no such action by Chief Justice, no such action by Parent of these 1500+ Talibaat, the Witness of all these Pakistani Commandos and Army Men is against this claim, ......... what a deaf and blind nation we are who still believe that 1500 Talibaat have been killed.

I have said this before and ill say this again , u are a ranting lunatic incapable of comprehending any other point of view with your tiny brain..Where does it say 1500 people were killed ?? ... You know more about pakistans history than this whole forum put together. We might be deff and blind lekin beghairat hum nahin.

 

[karachi]

I have said this before and ill say this again , u are a ranting lunatic incapable of comprehending any other point of view with your tiny brain..Where does it say 1500 people were killed ?? ... You know more about pakistans history than this whole forum put together. We might be deff and blind lekin beghairat hum nahin.

beghairat na sahi, deff and blind bhi kuch kaam nhi hota
Just kidding [hilar][hilar] farhan

 

[mehwish_ali]

I have said this before and ill say this again , u are a ranting lunatic incapable of comprehending any other point of view with your tiny brain..Where does it say 1500 people were killed ?? ... You know more about pakistans history than this whole forum put together. We might be deff and blind lekin beghairat hum nahin.

گستاخی کی معافی دیجئے گا، مگر ایک طرف آپ کہیں کہ ان سینکڑوں طالبات کو غائب کر کے مسجد کے صحن میں دفنا دیا گیا ہے، مگر پھر آپ مشرف کے خلاف اس قتل عام پر عدالت میں جائیں اور نہ ان سینکڑوں طالبات گمشدہ طالبات کو ڈھونڈنے کی کوئی تگ و دو کریں تو پھر آپ واقعی میں بے غیرت بن جائیں گے۔

اور عدالت جانا تو ایک طرف، آپ لوگ تو عدالت جا کر پھر وہاں سے فرار ہو کر بھاگ لیے ہیں اور لال مسجد والوں نے بذات خود یہ مقدمہ ہی واپس لے لیا۔

کوئی انتہا ہوتی ہے جھوٹ کی، مگر یہ ملا پارٹی والے تو شیطان ابلیس سے براہ راست جھوٹ بولنے کی تربیت لے کر آئے ہیں کہ ایک طرف آپریشن میں موجود سینکڑوں کمانڈوز اور فوجی یہ گواہی دے رہے ہیں کہ کوئی طالبہ ماری نہیں گئی ہے مگر پھر بھی ملا کے جھوٹ کا جادو ایسے سر چڑھ کر بولتا ہے کہ لوگ آج بھی ایمان لائے بیٹھے ہیں کہ 1500 سے زائد طالبات کو قتل کر دیا گیا۔

باخدا ایسے بڑے کذاب و جھوٹے تو مجھے یہودی و ہندو میڈیا والے بھی نظر نہیں آئے کہ جتنے بڑے ہمارے یہ ملا ثابت ہو رہے ہیں۔
​

 

[BrokenWing]

Musharraf lauds Lal Masjid massacre

By Keith Jones
13 July 2007

In a nationally televised address Thursday evening, Pakistan’s US-backed dictator, General Pervez Musharraf, defended the Pakistani military’s storming of the Lal Masjid (Red Mosque), threatened military action against any madrassa (Islamic school) “used for extremism,” and promised to strengthen paramilitary and police forces in the North-West Frontier Province (NWFP).
The general feigned regret at the large number who perished in the 36-hour battle that ended Wednesday afternoon with the military wresting control of the Lal Masjid, a mosque-school complex in central Islamabad. “Unfortunately,” declared Musharraf, “we have been up against our own people ... They had strayed from the right path and become susceptible to terrorism.”
Among the many things Musharraf omitted to say was that he personally scotched a deal Monday night to peacefully end the military’s siege of the Lal Masjid and that the mosque and its leaders had long been part of a nexus linking the Pakistani military-intelligence apparatus to various Islamicist militia groups.
The reality is Musharraf and his military regime staged a massacre. They deployed twelve thousand troops, including many of Pakistan’s elite units, in the heavily-populated center of Islamabad, then ordered an attack on the Lal Masjid that included artillery barrages, even though they knew that hundreds of unarmed people, including women and children, likely remained inside.
Through this bloodletting, Musharraf hoped to achieve two objectives: to please the Bush administration, which has been pressing Islamabad to intensify military action against pro-Taliban elements inside Pakistan even at the cost of antagonizing the country’s tribal and Pashtun minorities; and, second, to divert attention from, and increase his options in dealing with, the mounting opposition to his attempt to stage-manage his “re-election” as president.
Less than two months ago, more than forty people were killed in Karachi when the pro-Musharraf MQM with the connivance of security forces mounted armed attacks on persons gathering to welcome “suspended” Supreme Court Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry.
Just how many people died in the storming of the Lal Masjid complex remains an unanswered question close to two days after the military announced it had seized the mosque.
Pakistani authorities claim to have found 75 bodies in the Lal Masjid and put the total number of dead in the eight-day siege at around 108, including ten military personnel. Eighty-five of the 108 deaths reputedly came during Tuesday’s and Wednesday’s storming of the Lal Masjid.
But the real death toll is likely much larger. The Dawn reported Thursday that an unnamed source who had visited the Lal Masjid and the adjacent Jamia Hafsa seminary for women shortly after the army takeover said the floors were littered with corpses wrapped in white shrouds: “I could not count them but they must be in the hundreds.”
The Dawn also observed that “a promised media trip to the site was put off a day, fuelling speculation that the government was buying time to remove some telltale signs.”
Ever since the military launched its action to seize the mosque, reporters have been barred from the three closest hospitals, so as prevent them from gauging the number of dead and wounded.
For hours after the fighting had ended, the government and military insisted that no, or next to no, women and children had been killed. Later they conceded that some of the 19 bodies too charred to determine gender or age might be those of women and children.
The government’s claims are belied by the scores, possibly hundreds, of people who continue to search desperately for relatives, many of them teenage boys and girls, who were enrolled in one of the two seminaries affiliated with the Lal Masjid and who are now missing.
Acknowledging the widespread public skepticism about the number of casualties, Information Minister Mohammad Ali Durrani insisted Thursday, “There’s no cover-up. Why should we?”
Reporters who toured the mosque complex Thursday afternoon described it as a battlefield, with bullet-riddled, blood-stained, and in some cases blown-out walls. Military spokesmen said this was evidence of the intensity of the resistance they faced.
A principal government justification for the assault was the reputed presence of “foreign militants” in the complex. This claim was vehemently denied by Abdul Rashid Ghazi, the younger of the two brothers who led the Lal Masjid. Ghazi, who was killed during the storming of the mosque, became the leader of the mosque militants after his brother was arrested on the second day of the siege.
Musharraf, in his speech to the nation Thursday, repeated the charge that foreign fighters had been ensconced in the Lal Masjid, but offered no proof.
Security forces remain on high alert across the country for possible reprisal attacks. On Thursday five people including three police were killed in a suicide bombing in the Swat district of NWFP, and two government officials were killed in a second suicide bombing in North Waziristan, which is part of Pakistan’s tribal belt.
The NWFP government, which is formed by the MMA, a six party alliance of Islamic parties, has decreed a three-day official period of mourning to commemorate all those killed in siege and storming of the Lal Masjid. Since Tuesday there have been demonstrations in many NWFP towns, with protesters denouncing Musharraf as a US puppet.
Opposition to the US government due to its current wars of conquest in Afghanistan and the Iraq and long history of supporting military dictatorships in Pakistan cuts across Pakistan regionally and, to a large degree, socially. But it is especially strong in NWFP, where the majority Pashtun population has strong ethnic and cultural ties to Afghanistan.
US praise for massacre

The Bush administration, meanwhile, has strongly praised the Pakistani government’s brutal suppression of the Lal Masjid militants. Speaking Tuesday as the military operation was in full swing, Bush professed his admiration for the dictator Musharraf and his efforts to build “democracy” in Pakistan: “I like him and I appreciate him.”
Various liberal voices like the New York Times that have been critical of Musharraf of late for not doing enough to suppress support for the Taliban insurgency in Pakistan have also welcomed the military operation against the Lal Masjid.
The US is deeply implicated in the Lal Masjid massacre and not only because the political establishment has been demanding Musharraf do more to support the US-NATO occupation of Afghanistan.
The US played a pivotal role in encouraging the Pakistani military and political elite in using Islamic fundamentalism as a bulwark against the working class and left and in developing ties to armed Islamacist groups in furtherance of US Cold War aims. These ties Islamabad subsequently used to further its own geo-political ambitions in Afghanistan, Kashmir and India-proper.
The US gave the green light to General Zia, who would proclaim “Islamicization” his principal policy, to seize power in a coup in 1977. Soon after, Zia’s regime emerged as the principal conduit for CIA and Saudi support for the mujaheedin in Afghanistan.
US priorities shifted with the end of the Cold War, but the Pakistani military-intelligence apparatus continued to nurture and expand its relations with various Islamic militias.
The prestigious Lal Masjid mosque, which is situated in the center of Islamabad in close proximity to many government buildings, including the headquarters of Pakistan’s secret police (the Inter-Services Intelligence Agency), became an important part of this nexus.
The La Masjid was long led by the father of Abdul Rashid Ghazi, Maulana Abdullah—a man said to have enjoyed a close relationship with General Zia. And both Ghazi and his brother are known to have had links to the Pakistani military-security establishment.
Since seizing power in 1999, Musharraf has been forced to make a series of sharp shifts, under US pressure, ratcheting back the military-security apparatuses’ relations with Islamicist groups. Most dramatically, in September 2001, in response to US threats to bomb Pakistan back to the Stone Age, Musharraf withdrew Islamabad’s support for the Taliban regime and agreed to allow the US to use Pakistan as a staging area for the conquest of Afghanistan. But Islamabad has also been pressured by Washington to curtail its support for the anti-Indian insurgency in Kashmir.
These steps have caused frictions within the Pakistani establishment, especially given the sidelining of the Pashtuns within Afghanistan’s US-installed government and the failure of Washington to prod India into make any meaningful concessions over Kashmir.
The full story of how and why the Lal Masjid Islamacists came into collision with the Musharraf regime has yet to be told. Some of their actions, such as voicing support for pro-Taliban elements in the NWFP and tribal areas, drawing attention to the growing number of “disappeared,” and kidnapping police and Chinese nationals as part of a campaign for sharia law, clearly cut across the government’s agenda.
Lucrative property was also an issue, with government authorities claiming facilities connected with the Lal Masjid and other Islamabad mosques were built illegally.
The vast majority of the students at the two seminaries affiliate with the Lal Masjid, many of whom participated in an armed agitation in Islamabad in support of sharia law, it needed be added, come from the most impoverished regions of Pakistan. The spread of madrassas is not due just to the political support they have enjoyed since the Zia dictatorship. It is also a product of the wretched poverty that prevails in Pakistan and the abysmal state of public education.
That said, there is much evidence to show Pakistani authorities allowed the Las Masjid agitation to develop, ignoring for months actions that challenged the government’s legitimacy. As numerous observers have pointed out, it is ludicrous to suppose that large quantities of arms and ammunition could have been smuggled into the Lal Masjid unbeknownst to the ISI high command, whose plush offices are within easy walking distance.
At the very least, the Musharraf regime saw the Islamic agitation in the capital as a means of intimidating the working class and democratic opposition to military rule.
After temporizing and conniving with the Lal Masjid agitation, Musharraf cynically and brutally turned against it, seeing its bloody suppression as a means of both demonstrating to Washington his determination to heed the US’s demand he crack down on Taliban support in Pakistan and of perpetuating his dictatorship.
As part of his attempts to broker a power-sharing deal with Benazir Bhutto and her Pakistan People’s Party (PP), the general is trying to cast himself as a “secularist” and advocate of “enlightened” Islam. Bhutto, for her part, has repeatedly indicated that she is prepared to ally with the general in the name of opposing the Islamic right, if a satisfactory division of the spoils of office can be hammered out.
Bhutto’s PPP welcomed the military action against the Lal Masjid and has refused to join forces with the most of the other opposition parties, including Nawaz Sharif’s PML (N) and the MMA, in a new alliance. The All-Parties Democratic Movement has called anti-Musharraf rallies for next month, but the PPP, which has increased its interaction with the Bush administration in recent months, has declared the time not propitious for a popular agitation.
Should it prove impossible for him to strike a deal with the PPP, Musharraf has the option of using the government’s confrontation with Islamic “extremists” as the pretext for imposing emergency rule and thereby short-circuiting the elections promised for this fall.

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[mehwish_ali]

bhai ji,

do you know this person Kieth Jones who wrote this article? If you know this person, then why are you still using him?

All of this article is based upon this statement:

The Dawn reported Thursday that an unnamed source who had visited the Lal Masjid and the adjacent Jamia Hafsa seminary for women shortly after the army takeover said the floors were littered with corpses wrapped in white shrouds: I could not count them but they must be in the hundreds.​

As compared to this "Unnamed Source", there are hundreds of Commandos of Pak Army and other Faujis, who are the Direct witness of this clash and they have not killed a single Talibah.

خدا کے لیے کچھ ہوش کے ناخن لیں اور اس ملا کے جھوٹ کے سحر سے باہر آئیں۔ یہ کیسے ممکن ہے کہ ان کئی سو کمانڈوز اور فوجیوں کی براہ راست گواہی کی تو آپ کو پرواہ نہ ہو، اور پھر آپ یہ بھی دیکھ لیں کہ آج تک لال مسجد والے ایک بھی طالبہ کا نام پیش نہیں کر سکے جو گمشدہ ہو، پھر لال مسجد والے بغیر کسی کے کہے خود بخود عدالت سے اپناخود قائم کردہ مقدہ کسی کے کہے سنے بغیر بنا کوئی عذر بتائے ہی واپس لے لیں۔

پتا نہیں کب ہماری قوم ان کذب بیانیوں کے سحر سے باہر نکل سکے گی۔

کوئی بے غیرتے سے بے غیرت باپ بھی ہو گا تو وہ بھی اپنی بیٹی کی گمشدگی پر کبھی ایسے چپ ہو کر نہیں بیٹھے گا۔
​

 

[imemyself89]

People can have their opinions and theories.

I for one not judging anyone.

If Musharaf is right in what he says, he should come to Pakistan and face the judiciary. Doodh ka doodh pani ka pani ho jaye ga. Simple!

p.s. I wonder what is stopping musharaf to come to Pakistan?

 

[karachi]

People can have their opinions and theories.

I for one not judging anyone.

If Musharaf is right in what he says, he should come to Pakistan and face the judiciary. Doodh ka doodh pani ka pani ho jaye ga. Simple!

p.s. I wonder what is stopping musharaf to come to Pakistan?

I too wonder what is stopping musharaf opponents or those who reacted on LAL Masjid operation? on filling an petition & CJ famous Suo-moto


in my view there was something fishy going on in LAL Masjid before operation, i dont support the operation but this issue was mishandled.
u can watch the pre-operation videos of Capital talk (Hamid Mir)

 

[khan125]

* There were 100s of Pak Commandoes and normal Army Jawans involved in the Operation.

* Not a SINGLE One of them supported this LIE of Media that 1500+ Talibaat have been killed in the Operation.
No, not a SINGLE Talibah was killed, but only the fanatic Terrorists were killed.

* Initially a case was registered against Musharraf that he is a killer of those 1000s of missing Talibaat.

But you know what, it was the Lal Mosque People itself, who then themselves took this case back from the Court, presenting the lame excuse they don't want any retaliation.

What strange that 1500+ Talibaat are missing and they don't want to do a SINGLE STRUGGLE to find them out?

* Up till now, not the name of SINGLE Talibah out of those 1500+ Talibaat has been presented.


By Allah, the Propaganda of Mullah is even worst than Jews and Christians and hatred against Musharraf made MEDIA so much blind that they are spreading this Lie every where without even questioning a single thing.

You see there were some Missing Persons and Chief Justice took the sou motto action. But in case of these 1500+ Talibaat, no such action by Chief Justice, no such action by Parent of these 1500+ Talibaat, the Witness of all these Pakistani Commandos and Army Men is against this claim, ......... what a deaf and blind nation we are who still believe that 1500 Talibaat have been killed.

A big question mark ?????????
can anyone provide the list of those killed talibaats plz???????????
One of the culprits who used this situation in my opinion is Dr. shahid masood.......
he has some connection with people outside he only creates confusion and anarchy in his programs ....the way he was criticizing government initially for no writ and when the action was taken after all efforts then he wrote a column" kon thee kahan chalee gaeen" to arouse the emotions of the people against the government.that column was most forearded column after the operation and it let to violent protests after that.

Hamid Mir is another shaitan he also uses situation for his own interests.Anyone of these B@stards who created a myth at that time and played with emotions of the ignorant young people are out of the scene now.

where is Hamid meer aka shaitan meer and Dr. shahid masood can't they launch an FIR for those missing 1500 talibaats that were killed in jamia hafza.

This was a great conspiracy against Musharraf ,who at that time had started resisting America......but america wanted a tout like zardari ,benazar ,NS bcs they wanted more assistance from pakistan which were difficult to get from Musharraf.

Musharraf was strong he was backed by army and was equally popular in people of pakistan.This was one of the moves played to destroy musharraf's image and to weaken him.

 

[jalalamardan]

i know this commando is in trouble now but if he is seeking help from nawaz then he is running into a big one

 

[khan125]

I have said this before and ill say this again , u are a ranting lunatic incapable of comprehending any other point of view with your tiny brain..Where does it say 1500 people were killed ?? ... You know more about pakistans history than this whole forum put together. We might be deff and blind lekin beghairat hum nahin.

jisko ye he na pata ho gherat kesey kehtey hain or begharti kisey kehtey hain usko deff and blind hi kahen gey.kia khial he.

 

[greywolf]

^even worse than that.

 

[furry87]

jisko ye he na pata ho gherat kesey kehtey hain or begharti kisey kehtey hain usko deff and blind hi kahen gey.kia khial he.

uska pata nahi lekin jisey beghairati aur andhay honay mein fark na pata ho ussey bewakuf kehtey hain sir

 

[rajakhanmd]

MQM and their supporters favour LaL Mesjid Operation, based upon the ''evidence'' given by Army and Media. If thats the criteria, then they should not raise any question about Karachi operation.

As MQM says that we never been convicted of any charges etc., in the similar way, Courts have released Maulana Abdul Aziz sb, and other students or clerics.

Both the National and the International establishment ditches you at the most crucial time. Its better to stand for principles and policies, otherwise, sooner or later, you will face the music.

"THEY CAME FIRST for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

THEN THEY CAME for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

THEN THEY CAME for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

THEN THEY CAME for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up

 

[greywolf]

"THEY CAME FIRST for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

THEN THEY CAME for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

THEN THEY CAME for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

THEN THEY CAME for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up

That is the long and short of it.

 

[karachiwala]

I have said this before and ill say this again , u are a ranting lunatic incapable of comprehending any other point of view with your tiny brain..Where does it say 1500 people were killed ?? ... You know more about pakistans history than this whole forum put together. We might be deff and blind lekin beghairat hum nahin.

Well said brother. I do believe we have another one of ZH people on this forum who trying to create hysteria against Ulema.

 

[karachiwala]

bhai ji,

do you know this person Kieth Jones who wrote this article? If you know this person, then why are you still using him?

All of this article is based upon this statement:

The Dawn reported Thursday that an unnamed source who had visited the Lal Masjid and the adjacent Jamia Hafsa seminary for women shortly after the army takeover said the floors were littered with corpses wrapped in white shrouds: I could not count them but they must be in the hundreds.​

As compared to this "Unnamed Source", there are hundreds of Commandos of Pak Army and other Faujis, who are the Direct witness of this clash and they have not killed a single Talibah.

خدا کے لیے کچھ ہوش کے ناخن لیں اور اس ملا کے جھوٹ کے سحر سے باہر آئیں۔ یہ کیسے ممکن ہے کہ ان کئی سو کمانڈوز اور فوجیوں کی براہ راست گواہی کی تو آپ کو پرواہ نہ ہو، اور پھر آپ یہ بھی دیکھ لیں کہ آج تک لال مسجد والے ایک بھی طالبہ کا نام پیش نہیں کر سکے جو گمشدہ ہو، پھر لال مسجد والے بغیر کسی کے کہے خود بخود عدالت سے اپناخود قائم کردہ مقدہ کسی کے کہے سنے بغیر بنا کوئی عذر بتائے ہی واپس لے لیں۔

پتا نہیں کب ہماری قوم ان کذب بیانیوں کے سحر سے باہر نکل سکے گی۔

کوئی بے غیرتے سے بے غیرت باپ بھی ہو گا تو وہ بھی اپنی بیٹی کی گمشدگی پر کبھی ایسے چپ ہو کر نہیں بیٹھے گا۔
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بی بی مجہے نہیں پتہ آپ ساری خبریں کہاں سے لا رہی ہیں اور کیوں۔ لگتا ہے کسی مولوی نے آپ کو کافی دکھ دیے ہیں یا پھر آپ زید کزّاب کیلیے کام کر رہی ہیں۔ کتنے ہی غیرت مند باپ ٹی وی پر آ آ کر اپنی بچیوں کے لیے رو رہے تھے ٓاپ کو کچھ نظر نہیں آیا۔ مگر آپ نے انتظار کیا اور جب سب غرد بیٹھ گی تو آپ نے واویلا شروع کر دیا۔ کتنے فوجیوں کا انٹرویو آپ نے پڑھا جنہوں نے اس واقعے کا انکا کیا؟ براے مہربانی ہم کو بے وقوف سمجھنا چھوڑ دیں اور کوءی ایسی بات کریں جسکا لوگوں کو بلکل علم نا ہو تا کہ آپ کا پروپیگنڈا صحیح چل سکے۔