Kia peeri mureedi achhi cheez hai?

[Mughal1]

KIA PEERI MUREEDI ACHHI CHEEZ HAI?

mera jawaab yeh hai keh yeh apni asal main to achhi cheez hai magar jis taraf ham log is ko le kar ge hen woh achhi cheez nahin hai.

peer boordhe aadmi ko kehte hen aur ilmi lihaaz se budhaapa ilm ki alaamat hoti hai is liye peer ko ustaad kehte hen kyunkeh ustaad amooman shagird se umar main aur ilm main badaa hota hai. matlab yeh keh agar ustaad sb khud kuch na jaante hun ge to shagirdun ko kia sikhaayen ge?

mureed talab gaar ko kehte hen yani ilm ka talabgaar yaa taalbe ilm yaa shagird.

is lihaaz se ustaad aur shagird ka rishta jo keh asal peeri mureedi hai bahot aala hota hai. khud khudaa bhi bandoon ka peer hi hai aur bande us ke shagird.

hamaare mullah ne albatta ham ko behlaa phislaa kar aik aisi peeri mureedi main daal diya hai jo deene islam ke mohn par zor daar tamaacha hai. yun ham ko bahot ghussa aata hai jab ham dekhte hen koi deene islam ki behurmati kar rahaa hai magar asal behurmati ki taraf ham ko kabhi dihaan hi nahin aaya.

agar ham chhate hen ham deene islam ko saheeh tarah se jaan saken to ham ko aise logoon ka sadde baab kiye bagher chaara hi nahin jo ham ko mazhabi bemaar banaa rahen deene islam ke naam par. in logoon ne ham ko khudaa ki mahkoomi ke bajaaye bebunyaad khayalaat ka pujari banaa daala hai.

peeri mureedi bazaate khud koi buri cheez nahin balkeh bahot hi zaroori cheez hai magar is ka istemaal bahot hi ghalat ho rahaa hai jis ki wajah se ummat shadeed mushkalaat ka shikaar hai. log apna waqt insaaniyat ko behtari ki taraf le jaane ke bajaaye abtari ki simt le jaane waali baatun main sarf kar rahe hen.

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[حکایت جنوں]

Aap Munkar e Hadith hazraat pichhley 200 saal se mazhab mein reform ki koshish mein lagey hain magr mazhab aisa sakht jaan hai keh reform ho kr nahi deita. Mazeed 200 saal lagey rahiey nateeja kuch na nikley ga

 

[baalti]

jo mangna hai khuda se direct mango...

 

[Talwar Gujjar]

Having looked at Christianity a little bit first hand here in the West, I am of the view that piree mureedee has been implanted into Islam under British rule in a subtle way. It is almost Christianity. Its essential message is that do whatever, but pay the pir some respectable nazrana and he will seek forgiveness for you. This is precisely what the Church does for Christians. Also, these pirs stress too much on things like qawali and loud zikr parallel to hymns in the Church and trumping their devotion to the Prophet PBH to bring him almost at par with the Godly role of Issa. Just as the British were very good at giving credence to all sorts of evils like ethnic, tribal, religious hatred and demeaning of local customs, trades and crafts, they did their nefarious job in religion too. We have always had a lot of readily available locals for hire to be their proxies. It is a profitable business and it flourishes even today.

 

[karachiwala]

یہ سب کچھ جو آپ نے لکھا ہے اگر اپنے ذہن سے لکھا ہے تو آپ کو بالغ ہونے میں بقول حکایت جنوں کے دو سو سال چاہیئں۔ اگر کہیں سے دیکھ کر لکھا ہے تو اس کو سمجھنے کیلیئے بھی دو سو سال چاہیئں۔

 

[Sadia Hashmi]

Aap Munkar e Hadith hazraat pichhley 200 saal se mazhab mein reform ki koshish mein lagey hain magr mazhab aisa sakht jaan hai keh reform ho kr nahi deita. Mazeed 200 saal lagey rahiey nateeja kuch na nikley ga

یہ سب کچھ جو آپ نے لکھا ہے اگر اپنے ذہن سے لکھا ہے تو آپ کو بالغ ہونے میں بقول حکایت جنوں کے دو سو سال چاہیئں۔ اگر کہیں سے دیکھ کر لکھا ہے تو اس کو سمجھنے کیلیئے بھی دو سو سال چاہیئں۔

aap logon ko jis baat pay objection hy wo point out karen na.

peeron ko hamesha aesy he plant kea gea jesy TUQ... BBC ki report parh len...

in 200 years mein musalmano ny phir konsa maraka mar lea.....???????

musalman apni harkaton say tu atheist ko bhe toba karva rahy hen,,,,,, or aap keh rahy hen aenda 200 saal tak mazeed bhe.........

 

[Mughal1]

Aap Munkar e Hadith hazraat pichhley 200 saal se mazhab mein reform ki koshish mein lagey hain magr mazhab aisa sakht jaan hai keh reform ho kr nahi deita. Mazeed 200 saal lagey rahiey nateeja kuch na nikley ga

azeezam حکایت جنوں sb, pehli baat to yeh hai reformers munkare hadees nahin the laikin mullah ne yeh un ke baare main mashoor zaroor kiya hai jis baat ne ummat ki taraqi ki rah main rukaawaten peda kin.

doosri baat yeh keh bawjood intahee mukhaalifat ke musalmaanu ki haalat bahot behtar hui hai. aaj log aap ko bahot had tak padhe likhe milen ge musalmaanu main. yani musalmaanu ke paas un baatun ka ilm aa chuka hai jin se mullah tabqa naalaan tha. haan deene islam ka asal nazriya abhi aam aadami tak nahin pohnchaa jo ummat ke liye woh tabdeeli laa sakta hai jo ummat ko darkaar hai. is ko abhi waqt lage ga magar mera khayaal hai bahot kam arse main yeh maqsad bhi poora ho jaaye ga yani mazeed 200 saal nahin lagen ge. pichhle das baras main bahot saari tabdeeliyan duniya main roonamaa hui hen. jamood toot chuka hai aik had tak aur yeh aqlo fikar ko mazeed taaqat bakhshe ga.

asal main Allah ne duniya banyee hi kuchh is tareeqe par hai keh tabdeeli aik qadrati amar hai jis ko insaanu ke liye rokna mumkin hi nahin hai. yahee wajah hai har jaga mazhab ka zor toot rahaa hai magar aahista aahista. is waqt yaa to deeni nazriyaat irtqaa pazeer hen yaa mulhadiyat.

mazhab to logoon ko sulaaye rakhne ka kaam karta tha magar log har jaga apne haqooq ke liye jangen lard rahe hen yeh isi baat ka saboot hai keh mazhab nakaam ho chuka hai. logoon ko samajh aa gayee hai duniya molavyun ke bataaye huwe tareeqe se kaam nahin karti, aiasa ab koi nahin maanta keh woh dawaa kare go to khudaa roti aasman se us ke monh main daal de ga. nizaam ka ehsaas duniya main insaanu ke zehnu main bedaar ho gayaa hai is liye woh apne haqooq ki khaatir maidaan main aa ge hen.

yahee wajah hai ham ne agar islam ko batore deen na apnaaya to hamaari bhi khair nahin hai.

lihaaza aap bhi apne nazriyaat par nazar saani karen taa keh khush fehmi main apna nuqsaan na kar baithen. secularism jungle main aag ki tarah phel chuka hai aur ab duniya is ke bure asraat se bhi aagah hoti jaa rahee hai jaise woh mazhab ke buire asraat se aagah ho chuki hai. kyunkleh divide and rule par inhisaar karne waala koi nazriya aur nizaam bhi insaanu ko bhalayee ki taraf nahin le jaa sakta. sirf aur sirf Allah ka diya huwa deen hi logoon ko panah de sakta hai har tarah ke zulmo zabardasti se.

aap kaa apne khayalaat ka izhaar karne ka shukriya. khuwaaish to yahee hai Allah taala ham sab ko apna saheeh raasta dikhaaye jis main ham sab ki behtari hai.

 

[Amal]

اور ہم نے قرآن کو سمجھنے کیلۓ آسان کر دیا ہے تو کوئی ہے کہ سوچے سمجھے سورۃ القمر _54 آیت نمبر،

 

[حکایت جنوں]

aap logon ko jis baat pay objection hy wo point out karen na.

peeron ko hamesha aesy he plant kea gea jesy TUQ... BBC ki report parh len...

in 200 years mein musalmano ny phir konsa maraka mar lea.....???????

musalman apni harkaton say tu atheist ko bhe toba karva rahy hen,,,,,, or aap keh rahy hen aenda 200 saal tak mazeed bhe.........

Deen apni tradition ke baghair nahi samjha ja sakta. Islam ke kuch fiqhi, tafseeri, sufiana aur Hadith studies ke institutions hain jo Qur'an, Sunnat aur Hazoor (PBUH) wa Sahaba ki tarbiat se paida huye hain. Yehi deen hai. Agr aap is rawait se hat kr isolation mein Qur'an ke maani tai kren gey to phir aap text ko apne zamaney ki rooh e asr ke mutabiq kuch bhi maani nikaal lain gey. Yehi Islam mein Protestantism ka aaghaz ho ga aur Protestantism bil aakhir secularism per muntaj hota hai. Islam ne abhi tak secularizing trends ki sakht muzahmat ki hai aur mustaqbil mein bhi krey ga. Thorey likhey ko bohat jaanen. Mein is forum per mazhabi behson mein nahi ulajhta

 

[Sadia Hashmi]

Deen apni tradition ke baghair nahi samjha ja sakta.

agar aisa he hota tu nay mazhab kabe wajood mein na aty,,,nay paghamber/ nabi ko na mana jata.
riwayaaat/ traditions say haty tu hamary Prophet PBUH ka deen mana gea

Islam ke kuch fiqhi, tafseeri, sufiana aur Hadith studies ke institutions hain jo Qur'an, Sunnat aur Hazoor (PBUH) wa Sahaba ki tarbiat se paida huye hain. Yehi deen hai.

ye he agar ap k deen ki tareef hy tu mjy herat hy.

Agr aap is rawait se hat kr isolation mein Qur'an ke maani tai kren gey to phir aap text ko apne zamaney ki rooh e asr ke mutabiq kuch bhi maani nikaal lain gey.
Yehi Islam mein Protestantism ka aaghaz ho ga aur Protestantism bil aakhir secularism per muntaj hota hai. Islam ne abhi tak secularizing trends ki sakht muzahmat ki hai aur mustaqbil mein bhi krey ga. Thorey likhey ko bohat jaanen. Mein is forum per mazhabi behson mein nahi ulajhta

behas mein ny bhe nahi karni though es case mein arguments mery pass bhe bohut achy hen.

 

[حکایت جنوں]

agar aisa he hota tu nay mazhab kabe wajood mein na aty,,,nay paghamber/ nabi ko na mana jata.
riwayaaat/ traditions say haty tu hamary Prophet PBUH ka deen mana gea

Aap Aik bunyaadi ghalati kr rahi hain. Pre-modern daur aur Modern daur ko confuse ker ke Modern daur mein aaney wali changes/distortions ko justify kr rahi hain. Modernity dehumanization ka aik amal hai. Aap ki tradition mein ghalatian ho sakti hain lekin agar aap ne in ghalation ki Islah modernity ke zariye ki to deen se lazman jaen gey Jaisa keh christian world mein hua

ye he agar ap k deen ki tareef hy tu mjy herat hy.

Aap koi daleel deina bhool gain



behas mein ny bhe nahi karni though es case mein arguments mery pass bhe bohut achy hen.
Protestantism ke hawaley se mere argument per aap phir koi daleel deina bhool gain

Answer in red

 

[Annie]

یہ تھریڈ اور اس میں حصہ لینے والے ممبرز سب رومن اردو میں لمبی لمبی پوسٹس لکھ رہے ہیں ، یہ تو پڑھنا مشکل ہے ،پلیز آپ سب لوگ اردو میں لکھیں نا
:(:(:(

 

[Sadia Hashmi]

Answer in red

i cant write long....and these arguments take at least one para,,,,, and it is also my mind that u dont wana discuss.

so i didnt forget i just avoided.....

 

[Sadia Hashmi]

یہ تھریڈ اور اس میں حصہ لینے والے ممبرز سب رومن اردو میں لمبی لمبی پوسٹس لکھ رہے ہیں ، یہ تو پڑھنا مشکل ہے ،پلیز آپ سب لوگ اردو میں لکھیں نا
:(:(:(

come on dear,,, zindage badalny ka naam hy,,, jesa hamein easy lagy wesa hum kar sakty hen.... change khobsurati hy.....

 

[حکایت جنوں]

i cant write long....and these arguments take at least one para,,,,, and it is also my mind that u dont wana discuss.

so i didnt forget i just avoided.....

Ok you can give your arguments at least. I will discuss it if the discussion would be with open mind

 

[Annie]

come on dear,,, zindage badalny ka naam hy,,, jesa hamein easy lagy wesa hum kar sakty hen.... change khobsurati hy.....

(cry)(cry)
یہ رومن اردو سر دردی ہے خوبصورتی نہیں



ویسے زندگی بدلنے کو نہیں کہا اردومیں لکھنے کو کہا تھا سچی چینج خوبصورتی ہے
:lol:

Hey Sadia you are a smart girl lets try to write Urdu Sechiii it is like writing Roman Urdu. I never typed Urdu before but this forum has given me experience to write in Urdu. No need to down load anything open the page and type in the box your Roman Urdu google will change it to Urdu itself. Select all copy and paste your text in this reply box. Sechiii have a go.

http://www.google.com/intl/ur/inputtools/try/

 

[Mughal1]

 

[Sadia Hashmi]

Deen apni tradition ke baghair nahi samjha ja sakta. Islam ke kuch fiqhi, tafseeri, sufiana aur Hadith studies ke institutions hain jo Qur'an, Sunnat aur Hazoor (PBUH) wa Sahaba ki tarbiat se paida huye hain. Yehi deen hai. Agr aap is rawait se hat kr isolation mein Qur'an ke maani tai kren gey to phir aap text ko apne zamaney ki rooh e asr ke mutabiq kuch bhi maani nikaal lain gey.

bohut sari cheizen hum log mix kar jaty hen...

hamary Prophrt PBUH ka region Arab tha,,,, or boht se batein jo k sirf aik region tak he hoti hen hum ny un ko bhe Islam ka naam dy kar phelany ki koshish ki or nakaam hoy.....(my first argument)

Yehi Islam mein Protestantism ka aaghaz ho ga aur Protestantism bil aakhir secularism per muntaj hota hai. Islam ne abhi tak secularizing trends ki sakht muzahmat ki hai aur mustaqbil mein bhi krey ga. Thorey likhey ko bohat jaanen. Mein is forum per mazhabi behson mein nahi ulajhta

muzahimat nahi ki magar achy demaghon ko kamm karny he nahi dea gea,,, hamary apny mafadat samny aa jaty hen....

agar aap k khyal mein quran ko abe tak sahe mana or samjha ja raha hy tu hum es qadar pasti mein q hen?

 

[Sadia Hashmi]

(cry)(cry)
یہ رومن اردو سر دردی ہے خوبصورتی نہیں



ویسے زندگی بدلنے کو نہیں کہا اردومیں لکھنے کو کہا تھا سچی چینج خوبصورتی ہے
:lol:

Hey Sadia you are a smart girl lets try to write Urdu Sechiii it is like writing Roman Urdu. I never typed Urdu before but this forum has given me experience to write in Urdu. No need to down load anything open the page and type in the box your Roman Urdu google will change it to Urdu itself. Select all copy and paste your text in this reply box. Sechiii have a go.

http://www.google.com/intl/ur/inputtools/try/

yar i m not smart enough :(:(:please:

 

[حکایت جنوں]

bohut sari cheizen hum log mix kar jaty hen...

hamary Prophrt PBUH ka region Arab tha,,,, or boht se batein jo k sirf aik region tak he hoti hen hum ny un ko bhe Islam ka naam dy kar phelany ki koshish ki or nakaam hoy.....(my first argument)

Aap yeh kaisey tai kren gi keh Huzoor (PBUH) ka fulan hukm Arab ke saath khas hai aur konsa hukm tamam insaniat ke liye hai? Aap ki kia authority hai keh log aap ki "subjective interpretation of Prophet's Uswa" ko qabool ker lain??

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muzahimat nahi ki magar achy demaghon ko kamm karny he nahi dea gea,,, hamary apny mafadat samny aa jaty hen....

agar aap k khyal mein quran ko abe tak sahe mana or samjha ja raha hy tu hum es qadar pasti mein q hen?

Bibi ham pasti mein is liye hain kionkeh ham dunyaavi uloom mein past hain aur hamari ilmi tradition ko colonial daur mein tabah kr dia geya hai..... Bibi Ilm badalta hai Deen nahi...

My answer in red