waleedhussain
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Details for Munakreen e Hadith like Ghulam Ahmed Pervez
Dear waleedhussain, I think it is a good idea to hear both disputing sides before you reject or accept either of them. If you hold the right opinion already, you are confirmed and more sure of things and if you were mistaken, it can only help correct your mistake and in either case you stand to gain. You would agree that rejecting anything at hands due to make beliefs is not a good attitude towards discovery of the truth nor towards learning, especially on the basis of others who themselves are disputed figures or on basis of disputed information.
The real basis for judging things are indisputable rules that provide humanity the common ground to argue their cases from.
In reaction to your posts I could post many videos and quotes from books against the very molvi sahibaan who stand against parwez sb marhoom, so this is not a criterion that you should accept for judging who is right or wrong because it does not work.
No molvi worth the name declares anyone kafir just for disputing authenticity of ahadith. Shias for example do not accept sunni collections authentic but no sunni aalim ever declared them kafir on that basis. The case is same the other way round.
wahabies rejected taqleed and none of the main sects ever declared them kafir on that basis. So if anyone does that then he is odd one out. You should not take them serious. Takfiri mullahs should be avoided because they do not know what they talking about. Also it may be that these people have personal reasons to do so.
regards and all the best.
Pakistani1947
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Who are "Khwarij" according to authentic Hadeeths
It is very clear from following Haeeths that Khwarij or Najdi are people of Iraq, Their sign will be the habit of shaving (of their beards). They will kill the Muslims but will not disturb the idolaters (مشرک- grave worshippers).
Yusair b. 'Amr reported that he inquired of Sahl b. Hunaif: Did you hear the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) making a mention of the Khwarij? He said: I heard him say (and he pointed with his hand towards the east) that these would be a people who would recite the Qur'an with their tongues and it would not go beyond their collar bones. They would pass clean through their religion just as the arrow passes through the prey. (Sahih Muslim; Book #005, Hadith #2336)
Narrated Yusair bin 'Amr: I asked Sahl bin Hunaif, "Did you hear the Prophet saying anything about Al-Khawarij?" He said, "I heard him saying while pointing his hand towards Iraq. "There will appear in it (i.e, Iraq) some people who will recite the Quran but it will not go beyond their throats, and they will go out from (leave) Islam as an arrow darts through the game's body.' " (Sahih Bukhari; Book #84, Hadith #68)
Narrated Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri: The Prophet said, "There will emerge from the East some people who will recite the Qur'an but it will not exceed their throats and who will go out of (renounce) the religion (Islam) as an arrow passes through the game, and they will never come back to it unless the arrow, comes back to the middle of the bow (by itself) (i.e., impossible). The people asked, "What will their signs be?" He said, "Their sign will be the habit of shaving (of their beards). (Fateh Al-Bari, Page 322, Vol. 17th) (Sahih Bukhari; Book #93, Hadith #651)
Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: The Prophet said, "I have been made victorious with As-Saba (i.e. an easterly wind) and the people of 'Ad were destroyed by Ad-Dabur (i.e. a westerly wind)." Narrated Abu Said: Ali sent a piece of gold to the Prophet who distributed it among four persons: Al-Aqra' bin Habis Al-Hanzali from the tribe of Mujashi, 'Uyaina bin Badr Al-Fazari, Zaid At-Ta'i who belonged to (the tribe of) Bani Nahban, and 'Alqama bin Ulatha Al-'Amir who belonged to (the tribe of) Bani Kilab. So the Quraish and the Ansar became angry and said, "He (i.e. the Prophet, ) gives the chief of Najd and does not give us." The Prophet said, "I give them) so as to attract their hearts (to Islam)." Then a man with sunken eyes, prominent checks, a raised forehead, a thick beard and a shaven head, came (in front of the Prophet ) and said, "Be afraid of Allah, O Muhammad!" The Prophet ' said "Who would obey Allah if I disobeyed Him? (Is it fair that) Allah has trusted all the people of the earth to me while, you do not trust me?" Somebody who, I think was Khalid bin Al-Walid, requested the Prophet to let him chop that man's head off, but he prevented him. When the man left, the Prophet said, "Among the off-spring of this man will be some who will recite the Qur'an but the Qur'an will not reach beyond their throats (i.e. they will recite like parrots and will not understand it nor act on it), and they will renegade from the religion as an arrow goes through the game's body. They will kill the Muslims but will not disturb the idolaters. If I should live up to their time' I will kill them as the people of 'Ad were killed (i.e. I will kill all of them)." (Sahih Bukhari; Book #55, Hadith #558)
Abu Said al-Khudri reported: 'Ali b. Abu Talib sent to the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) from Yemen some gold alloyed with clay in a leather bag dyed in the leaves of Mimosa flava. He distributed it among four men. 'Uyaina b. Hisna, Aqra' b. Habis and Zaid al-Khail, and the fourth one was either Alqama b. 'Ulatha or 'Amir b. Tufail. A person from among his (Prophet's) Companions said: We had a better claim to this (wealth) than these (persons). This (remark) reached the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) upon which he said: Will you not trust me, whereas I am a trustee of Him Who is in the heaven? The news come to me from the heaven morning and evening. Then there stood up a person with deep sunken eyes, prominent cheek bones, and elevated forehead, thick beard, shaven head, tucked up loin cloth, and he said: Messenger of Allah, fear Allah. He (the Holy Prophet) said: Woe to thee. do I not deserve most to fear Allah amongst the people of the earth? That man then returned. Khalid b. Walid then said: Messenger of Allah, should I not strike his neck? Upon this he (the Holy Prophet) said: Perhaps he may be observing the prayer. Khalid said: How many observers of prayer are there who profess with their tongue what is not in their heart? Upon this the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: I have not been commanded to pierce through the hearts of people, nor to split their bellies (insides). He again looked at him and he was going back. Upon this he (the Holy Prophet) said: There would arise a people from the progeny of this (man) who would recite the Qur'an glibly, but it would not go beyond their throats; they would (hurriedly) pass through (the teachings of their) religion just as the arrow passes through the prey. I conceive that he (the Holy Prophet) also said this: If I find them I would certainly kill them as were killed the (people of) Thamud. (Sahih Muslim; Book #005, Hadith #2319)
Abu Salama and 'Ata' b. Yasar came to Abu Sa'id al-Khudri and asked him about Haruriya, saying: Did you hear the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) making a mention of them? He (Abu Sai'd al-Khudri) said: I don't know who the Haruriya are, but I heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) as saying: There would arise in this nation (and he did not say" out of them" ) a people and you would hold insignificant your prayers as compared with their prayers. And they would recite the Qur'an which would not go beyond their throats and would swerve through the religion (as blank) just as a (swift) arrow passes through the prey. The archer looks at his arrow, at its iron head and glances at its end (which he held) in the tip of his fingers to see whether it had any stain of blood. (Sahih Muslim; Book #005, Hadith #2322)
'Ali said: Whenever I narrate to you anything from the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) believe it to be absolutely true as falling from the sky is dearer to me than that of attributing anything to him (the Holy Prophet) which he never said. When I talk to you of anything which is between me and you (there might creep some error in it) for battle is an outwitting. I heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) as saying: There would arise at the end of the age a people who would be young in age and immature in thought, but they would talk (in such a manner) as if their words are the best among the creatures. They would recite the Qur'an, but it would not go beyond their throats, and they would pass through the religion as an arrow goes through the prey. So when you meet them, kill them, for in their killing you would get a reward with Allah on the Day of judgmelat. (Sahih Muslim; Book #005, Hadith #2328)
Abu Dharr reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Verily there would arise from my Ummah after me or soon after me a group (of people) who would recite the Qar'an, but it would not go beyond their throats, and they would pass clean through their religion just as the arrow passes through the prey, and they would never come back to it. They would be the worst among the creation and the creatures. Ibn Samit (one of the narrators) said: I met Rafi' b. 'Amr Ghifari, the brother of Al-Hakam Ghifari and I said: What is this hadith that I heard from Abu Dharr, i. e. so and so? -and then I narrated that hadith to him and said: I heard it from the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him). (Sahih Muslim; Book #005, Hadith #2335)
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: While we were with Allah's Apostle who was distributing (i.e. some property), there came Dhu-l-Khuwaisira, a man from the tribe of Bani Tamim and said, "O Allah's Apostle! Do Justice." The Prophet said, "Woe to you! Who could do justice if I did not? I would be a desperate loser if I did not do justice." 'Umar said, "O Allah's Apostle! Allow me to chop his head off." The Prophet said, "Leave him, for he has companions who pray and fast in such a way that you will consider your fasting negligible in comparison to theirs. They recite Qur'an but it does not go beyond their throats (i.e. they do not act on it) and they will desert Islam as an arrow goes through a victim's body, so that the hunter, on looking at the arrow's blade, would see nothing on it; he would look at its Risaf and see nothing: he would look at its Na,di and see nothing, and he would look at its Qudhadh ( 1 ) and see nothing (neither meat nor blood), for the arrow has been too fast even for the blood and excretions to smear. The sign by which they will be recognized is that among them there will be a black man, one of whose arms will resemble a woman's breast or a lump of meat moving loosely. Those people will appear when there will be differences amongst the people." I testify that I heard this narration from Allah's Apostle and I testify that 'Ali bin Abi Talib fought with such people, and I was in his company. He ordered that the man (described by the Prophet ) should be looked for. The man was brought and I looked at him and noticed that he looked exactly as the Prophet had described him. (Sahih Bukhari; Book #56, Hadith #807)
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Amr bin Yasar: That they visited Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri and asked him about Al-Harauriyya, a special unorthodox religious sect, "Did you hear the Prophet saying anything about them?" Abu Sa'id said, "I do not know what Al-Harauriyya is, but I heard the Prophet saying, "There will appear in this nation---- he did not say: From this nation ---- a group of people so pious apparently that you will consider your prayers inferior to their prayers, but they will recite the Quran, the teachings of which will not go beyond their throats and will go out of their religion as an arrow darts through the game, whereupon the archer may look at his arrow, its Nasl at its Risaf and its Fuqa to see whether it is blood-stained or not (i.e. they will have not even a trace of Islam in them)." (Sahih Bukhari; Book #84, Hadith #65)
Narrated 'Ali: I relate the traditions of Allah's Apostle to you for I would rather fall from the sky than attribute something to him falsely. But when I tell you a thing which is between you and me, then no doubt, war is guile. I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "In the last days of this world there will appear some young foolish people who will use (in their claim) the best speech of all people (i.e. the Qur'an) and they will abandon Islam as an arrow going through the game. Their belief will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have practically no belief), so wherever you meet them, kill them, for he who kills them shall get a reward on the Day of Resurrection." (Sahih Bukhari; Book #56, Hadith #808)
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: 'Ali bin Abi Talib sent a piece of gold not yet taken out of its ore, in a tanned leather container to Allah's Apostle . Allah's Apostle distributed that amongst four Persons: 'Uyaina bin Badr, Aqra bin Habis, Zaid Al-Khail and the fourth was either Alqama or Amir bin At Tufail. On that, one of his companions said, "We are more deserving of this (gold) than these (persons)." When that news reached the Prophet , he said, "Don't you trust me though I am the truth worthy man of the One in the Heavens, and I receive the news of Heaven (i.e. Divine Inspiration) both in the morning and in the evening?" There got up a man with sunken eyes, raised cheek bones, raised forehead, a thick beard, a shaven head and a waist sheet that was tucked up and he said, "O Allah's Apostle! Be afraid of Allah." The Prophet said, "Woe to you! Am I not of all the people of the earth the most entitled to fear Allah?" Then that man went away. Khalid bin Al-Wahd said, "O Allah's Apostle! Shall I chop his neck off?" The Prophet said, "No, for he may offer prayers." Khalid said, "Numerous are those who offer prayers and say by their tongues (i.e. mouths) what is not in their hearts." Allah's Apostle said, "I have not been ordered (by Allah) to search the hearts of the people or cut open their bellies." Then the Prophet looked at him (i.e. that man) while the latter was going away and said, "From the offspring of this (man there will come out (people) who will recite the Qur'an continuously and elegantly but it will not exceed their throats. (They will neither understand it nor act upon it). They would go out of the religion (i.e. Islam) as an arrow goes through a game's body." I think he also said, "If I should be present at their time I would kill them as the nations a Thamud were killed." (Sahih Bukhari; Book #59, Hadith #638)
Narrated 'Ali: I heard the Prophet saying, "In the last days (of the world) there will appear young people with foolish thoughts and ideas. They will give good talks, but they will go out of Islam as an arrow goes out of its game, their faith will not exceed their throats. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for there will be a reward for their killers on the Day of Resurrection." (Sahih Bukhari; Book #61, Hadith #577)
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "There will appear some people among you whose prayer will make you look down upon yours, and whose fasting will make you look down upon yours, but they will recite the Qur'an which will not exceed their throats (they will not act on it) and they will go out of Islam as an arrow goes out through the game whereupon the archer would examine the arrowhead but see nothing, and look at the unfeathered arrow but see nothing, and look at the arrow feathers but see nothing, and finally he suspects to find something in the lower part of the arrow." (Sahih Bukhari; Book #61, Hadith #578)
Narrated 'Ali: Whenever I tell you a narration from Allah's Apostle, by Allah, I would rather fall down from the sky than ascribe a false statement to him, but if I tell you something between me and you (not a Hadith) then it was indeed a trick (i.e., I may say things just to cheat my enemy). No doubt I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, where-ever you find them, kill them, for who-ever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection." (Sahih Bukhari; Book #84, Hadith #64)
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Amr bin Yasar: That they visited Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri and asked him about Al-Harauriyya, a special unorthodox religious sect, "Did you hear the Prophet saying anything about them?" Abu Sa'id said, "I do not know what Al-Harauriyya is, but I heard the Prophet saying, "There will appear in this nation---- he did not say: From this nation ---- a group of people so pious apparently that you will consider your prayers inferior to their prayers, but they will recite the Quran, the teachings of which will not go beyond their throats and will go out of their religion as an arrow darts through the game, whereupon the archer may look at his arrow, its Nasl at its Risaf and its Fuqa to see whether it is blood-stained or not (i.e. they will have not even a trace of Islam in them)." (Sahih Bukhari; Book #84, Hadith #65)
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: When 'Ali was in Yemen, he sent some gold in its ore to the Prophet. The Prophet distributed it among Al-Aqra' bin Habis Al-Hanzali who belonged to Bani Mujashi, 'Uyaina bin Badr Al-Fazari, 'Alqama bin 'Ulatha Al-'Amiri, who belonged to the Bani Kilab tribe and Zaid AI-Khail At-Ta'i who belonged to Bani Nabhan. So the Quraish and the Ansar became angry and said, "He gives to the chiefs of Najd and leaves us!" The Prophet said, "I just wanted to attract and unite their hearts (make them firm in Islam)." Then there came a man with sunken eyes, bulging forehead, thick beard, fat raised cheeks, and clean-shaven head, and said, "O Muhammad! Be afraid of Allah! " The Prophet said, "Who would obey Allah if I disobeyed Him? (Allah). He trusts me over the people of the earth, but you do not trust me?" A man from the people (present then), who, I think, was Khalid bin Al-Walid, asked for permission to kill him, but the Prophet prevented him. When the man went away, the Prophet said, "Out of the offspring of this man, there will be people who will recite the Quran but it will not go beyond their throats, and they will go out of Islam as an arrow goes out through the game, and they will kill the Muslims and leave the idolators. Should I live till they appear, I would kill them as the Killing of the nation of 'Ad." (Sahih Bukhari; Book #93, Hadith #527)
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It is very clear from following Haeeths that Khwarij or Najdi are people of Iraq, Their sign will be the habit of shaving (of their beards). They will kill the Muslims but will not disturb the idolaters (مشرک- grave worshippers).
Yusair b. 'Amr reported that he inquired of Sahl b. Hunaif: Did you hear the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) making a mention of the Khwarij? He said: I heard him say (and he pointed with his hand towards the east) that these would be a people who would recite the Qur'an with their tongues and it would not go beyond their collar bones. They would pass clean through their religion just as the arrow passes through the prey. (Sahih Muslim; Book #005, Hadith #2336)
Narrated Yusair bin 'Amr: I asked Sahl bin Hunaif, "Did you hear the Prophet saying anything about Al-Khawarij?" He said, "I heard him saying while pointing his hand towards Iraq. "There will appear in it (i.e, Iraq) some people who will recite the Quran but it will not go beyond their throats, and they will go out from (leave) Islam as an arrow darts through the game's body.' " (Sahih Bukhari; Book #84, Hadith #68)
Narrated Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri: The Prophet said, "There will emerge from the East some people who will recite the Qur'an but it will not exceed their throats and who will go out of (renounce) the religion (Islam) as an arrow passes through the game, and they will never come back to it unless the arrow, comes back to the middle of the bow (by itself) (i.e., impossible). The people asked, "What will their signs be?" He said, "Their sign will be the habit of shaving (of their beards). (Fateh Al-Bari, Page 322, Vol. 17th) (Sahih Bukhari; Book #93, Hadith #651)
Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: The Prophet said, "I have been made victorious with As-Saba (i.e. an easterly wind) and the people of 'Ad were destroyed by Ad-Dabur (i.e. a westerly wind)." Narrated Abu Said: Ali sent a piece of gold to the Prophet who distributed it among four persons: Al-Aqra' bin Habis Al-Hanzali from the tribe of Mujashi, 'Uyaina bin Badr Al-Fazari, Zaid At-Ta'i who belonged to (the tribe of) Bani Nahban, and 'Alqama bin Ulatha Al-'Amir who belonged to (the tribe of) Bani Kilab. So the Quraish and the Ansar became angry and said, "He (i.e. the Prophet, ) gives the chief of Najd and does not give us." The Prophet said, "I give them) so as to attract their hearts (to Islam)." Then a man with sunken eyes, prominent checks, a raised forehead, a thick beard and a shaven head, came (in front of the Prophet ) and said, "Be afraid of Allah, O Muhammad!" The Prophet ' said "Who would obey Allah if I disobeyed Him? (Is it fair that) Allah has trusted all the people of the earth to me while, you do not trust me?" Somebody who, I think was Khalid bin Al-Walid, requested the Prophet to let him chop that man's head off, but he prevented him. When the man left, the Prophet said, "Among the off-spring of this man will be some who will recite the Qur'an but the Qur'an will not reach beyond their throats (i.e. they will recite like parrots and will not understand it nor act on it), and they will renegade from the religion as an arrow goes through the game's body. They will kill the Muslims but will not disturb the idolaters. If I should live up to their time' I will kill them as the people of 'Ad were killed (i.e. I will kill all of them)." (Sahih Bukhari; Book #55, Hadith #558)
Abu Said al-Khudri reported: 'Ali b. Abu Talib sent to the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) from Yemen some gold alloyed with clay in a leather bag dyed in the leaves of Mimosa flava. He distributed it among four men. 'Uyaina b. Hisna, Aqra' b. Habis and Zaid al-Khail, and the fourth one was either Alqama b. 'Ulatha or 'Amir b. Tufail. A person from among his (Prophet's) Companions said: We had a better claim to this (wealth) than these (persons). This (remark) reached the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) upon which he said: Will you not trust me, whereas I am a trustee of Him Who is in the heaven? The news come to me from the heaven morning and evening. Then there stood up a person with deep sunken eyes, prominent cheek bones, and elevated forehead, thick beard, shaven head, tucked up loin cloth, and he said: Messenger of Allah, fear Allah. He (the Holy Prophet) said: Woe to thee. do I not deserve most to fear Allah amongst the people of the earth? That man then returned. Khalid b. Walid then said: Messenger of Allah, should I not strike his neck? Upon this he (the Holy Prophet) said: Perhaps he may be observing the prayer. Khalid said: How many observers of prayer are there who profess with their tongue what is not in their heart? Upon this the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: I have not been commanded to pierce through the hearts of people, nor to split their bellies (insides). He again looked at him and he was going back. Upon this he (the Holy Prophet) said: There would arise a people from the progeny of this (man) who would recite the Qur'an glibly, but it would not go beyond their throats; they would (hurriedly) pass through (the teachings of their) religion just as the arrow passes through the prey. I conceive that he (the Holy Prophet) also said this: If I find them I would certainly kill them as were killed the (people of) Thamud. (Sahih Muslim; Book #005, Hadith #2319)
Abu Salama and 'Ata' b. Yasar came to Abu Sa'id al-Khudri and asked him about Haruriya, saying: Did you hear the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) making a mention of them? He (Abu Sai'd al-Khudri) said: I don't know who the Haruriya are, but I heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) as saying: There would arise in this nation (and he did not say" out of them" ) a people and you would hold insignificant your prayers as compared with their prayers. And they would recite the Qur'an which would not go beyond their throats and would swerve through the religion (as blank) just as a (swift) arrow passes through the prey. The archer looks at his arrow, at its iron head and glances at its end (which he held) in the tip of his fingers to see whether it had any stain of blood. (Sahih Muslim; Book #005, Hadith #2322)
'Ali said: Whenever I narrate to you anything from the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) believe it to be absolutely true as falling from the sky is dearer to me than that of attributing anything to him (the Holy Prophet) which he never said. When I talk to you of anything which is between me and you (there might creep some error in it) for battle is an outwitting. I heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) as saying: There would arise at the end of the age a people who would be young in age and immature in thought, but they would talk (in such a manner) as if their words are the best among the creatures. They would recite the Qur'an, but it would not go beyond their throats, and they would pass through the religion as an arrow goes through the prey. So when you meet them, kill them, for in their killing you would get a reward with Allah on the Day of judgmelat. (Sahih Muslim; Book #005, Hadith #2328)
Abu Dharr reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Verily there would arise from my Ummah after me or soon after me a group (of people) who would recite the Qar'an, but it would not go beyond their throats, and they would pass clean through their religion just as the arrow passes through the prey, and they would never come back to it. They would be the worst among the creation and the creatures. Ibn Samit (one of the narrators) said: I met Rafi' b. 'Amr Ghifari, the brother of Al-Hakam Ghifari and I said: What is this hadith that I heard from Abu Dharr, i. e. so and so? -and then I narrated that hadith to him and said: I heard it from the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him). (Sahih Muslim; Book #005, Hadith #2335)
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: While we were with Allah's Apostle who was distributing (i.e. some property), there came Dhu-l-Khuwaisira, a man from the tribe of Bani Tamim and said, "O Allah's Apostle! Do Justice." The Prophet said, "Woe to you! Who could do justice if I did not? I would be a desperate loser if I did not do justice." 'Umar said, "O Allah's Apostle! Allow me to chop his head off." The Prophet said, "Leave him, for he has companions who pray and fast in such a way that you will consider your fasting negligible in comparison to theirs. They recite Qur'an but it does not go beyond their throats (i.e. they do not act on it) and they will desert Islam as an arrow goes through a victim's body, so that the hunter, on looking at the arrow's blade, would see nothing on it; he would look at its Risaf and see nothing: he would look at its Na,di and see nothing, and he would look at its Qudhadh ( 1 ) and see nothing (neither meat nor blood), for the arrow has been too fast even for the blood and excretions to smear. The sign by which they will be recognized is that among them there will be a black man, one of whose arms will resemble a woman's breast or a lump of meat moving loosely. Those people will appear when there will be differences amongst the people." I testify that I heard this narration from Allah's Apostle and I testify that 'Ali bin Abi Talib fought with such people, and I was in his company. He ordered that the man (described by the Prophet ) should be looked for. The man was brought and I looked at him and noticed that he looked exactly as the Prophet had described him. (Sahih Bukhari; Book #56, Hadith #807)
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Amr bin Yasar: That they visited Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri and asked him about Al-Harauriyya, a special unorthodox religious sect, "Did you hear the Prophet saying anything about them?" Abu Sa'id said, "I do not know what Al-Harauriyya is, but I heard the Prophet saying, "There will appear in this nation---- he did not say: From this nation ---- a group of people so pious apparently that you will consider your prayers inferior to their prayers, but they will recite the Quran, the teachings of which will not go beyond their throats and will go out of their religion as an arrow darts through the game, whereupon the archer may look at his arrow, its Nasl at its Risaf and its Fuqa to see whether it is blood-stained or not (i.e. they will have not even a trace of Islam in them)." (Sahih Bukhari; Book #84, Hadith #65)
Narrated 'Ali: I relate the traditions of Allah's Apostle to you for I would rather fall from the sky than attribute something to him falsely. But when I tell you a thing which is between you and me, then no doubt, war is guile. I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "In the last days of this world there will appear some young foolish people who will use (in their claim) the best speech of all people (i.e. the Qur'an) and they will abandon Islam as an arrow going through the game. Their belief will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have practically no belief), so wherever you meet them, kill them, for he who kills them shall get a reward on the Day of Resurrection." (Sahih Bukhari; Book #56, Hadith #808)
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: 'Ali bin Abi Talib sent a piece of gold not yet taken out of its ore, in a tanned leather container to Allah's Apostle . Allah's Apostle distributed that amongst four Persons: 'Uyaina bin Badr, Aqra bin Habis, Zaid Al-Khail and the fourth was either Alqama or Amir bin At Tufail. On that, one of his companions said, "We are more deserving of this (gold) than these (persons)." When that news reached the Prophet , he said, "Don't you trust me though I am the truth worthy man of the One in the Heavens, and I receive the news of Heaven (i.e. Divine Inspiration) both in the morning and in the evening?" There got up a man with sunken eyes, raised cheek bones, raised forehead, a thick beard, a shaven head and a waist sheet that was tucked up and he said, "O Allah's Apostle! Be afraid of Allah." The Prophet said, "Woe to you! Am I not of all the people of the earth the most entitled to fear Allah?" Then that man went away. Khalid bin Al-Wahd said, "O Allah's Apostle! Shall I chop his neck off?" The Prophet said, "No, for he may offer prayers." Khalid said, "Numerous are those who offer prayers and say by their tongues (i.e. mouths) what is not in their hearts." Allah's Apostle said, "I have not been ordered (by Allah) to search the hearts of the people or cut open their bellies." Then the Prophet looked at him (i.e. that man) while the latter was going away and said, "From the offspring of this (man there will come out (people) who will recite the Qur'an continuously and elegantly but it will not exceed their throats. (They will neither understand it nor act upon it). They would go out of the religion (i.e. Islam) as an arrow goes through a game's body." I think he also said, "If I should be present at their time I would kill them as the nations a Thamud were killed." (Sahih Bukhari; Book #59, Hadith #638)
Narrated 'Ali: I heard the Prophet saying, "In the last days (of the world) there will appear young people with foolish thoughts and ideas. They will give good talks, but they will go out of Islam as an arrow goes out of its game, their faith will not exceed their throats. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for there will be a reward for their killers on the Day of Resurrection." (Sahih Bukhari; Book #61, Hadith #577)
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "There will appear some people among you whose prayer will make you look down upon yours, and whose fasting will make you look down upon yours, but they will recite the Qur'an which will not exceed their throats (they will not act on it) and they will go out of Islam as an arrow goes out through the game whereupon the archer would examine the arrowhead but see nothing, and look at the unfeathered arrow but see nothing, and look at the arrow feathers but see nothing, and finally he suspects to find something in the lower part of the arrow." (Sahih Bukhari; Book #61, Hadith #578)
Narrated 'Ali: Whenever I tell you a narration from Allah's Apostle, by Allah, I would rather fall down from the sky than ascribe a false statement to him, but if I tell you something between me and you (not a Hadith) then it was indeed a trick (i.e., I may say things just to cheat my enemy). No doubt I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, where-ever you find them, kill them, for who-ever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection." (Sahih Bukhari; Book #84, Hadith #64)
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Amr bin Yasar: That they visited Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri and asked him about Al-Harauriyya, a special unorthodox religious sect, "Did you hear the Prophet saying anything about them?" Abu Sa'id said, "I do not know what Al-Harauriyya is, but I heard the Prophet saying, "There will appear in this nation---- he did not say: From this nation ---- a group of people so pious apparently that you will consider your prayers inferior to their prayers, but they will recite the Quran, the teachings of which will not go beyond their throats and will go out of their religion as an arrow darts through the game, whereupon the archer may look at his arrow, its Nasl at its Risaf and its Fuqa to see whether it is blood-stained or not (i.e. they will have not even a trace of Islam in them)." (Sahih Bukhari; Book #84, Hadith #65)
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: When 'Ali was in Yemen, he sent some gold in its ore to the Prophet. The Prophet distributed it among Al-Aqra' bin Habis Al-Hanzali who belonged to Bani Mujashi, 'Uyaina bin Badr Al-Fazari, 'Alqama bin 'Ulatha Al-'Amiri, who belonged to the Bani Kilab tribe and Zaid AI-Khail At-Ta'i who belonged to Bani Nabhan. So the Quraish and the Ansar became angry and said, "He gives to the chiefs of Najd and leaves us!" The Prophet said, "I just wanted to attract and unite their hearts (make them firm in Islam)." Then there came a man with sunken eyes, bulging forehead, thick beard, fat raised cheeks, and clean-shaven head, and said, "O Muhammad! Be afraid of Allah! " The Prophet said, "Who would obey Allah if I disobeyed Him? (Allah). He trusts me over the people of the earth, but you do not trust me?" A man from the people (present then), who, I think, was Khalid bin Al-Walid, asked for permission to kill him, but the Prophet prevented him. When the man went away, the Prophet said, "Out of the offspring of this man, there will be people who will recite the Quran but it will not go beyond their throats, and they will go out of Islam as an arrow goes out through the game, and they will kill the Muslims and leave the idolators. Should I live till they appear, I would kill them as the Killing of the nation of 'Ad." (Sahih Bukhari; Book #93, Hadith #527)
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waleedhussain
Councller (250+ posts)
Dear .... It is true that doubting the authenticity of any hadith on knowledgeable ground does not make a person kaafir. This is different thing than those who rejected the WHOLE of hadith collection INCLUDING SAHI BUKHARI & SAHI MUSLIM and 4 others are declared OUT of Islam. ...If you want to say that NO scholar declared them Kaafir then please go and review - neither Dr. Israr is wahabi nor Mohd Rafi Usmani ... thats why I posted them as well...
Among AHLE SUNNAH WAL JAMAAH those who refute the ahaadith collection INCLUDING those on which all scholars have consensus are declared kaafirs... If you say that no body declared munkareen e hadith as kaafirs then brother I m very sorry about ur knowledge .
Not by Wahaabi ... but all four schools of fiqh ...
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awan4ever
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
It seems all the problems in KSA have been solved and now there is ample time for the Muftiaans to indulge in such trivial matters which should be best left to the state to interpret in light of current social setup of society.
As far as I know underage marriage can be abrogated by the state as it is not a 'rule' stated in the Quran or Hadith.
Some laws are taken as guiding principles only.
In the current socio-economic setup of all societies including Muslim, educating children upto a certain minimum level is essential so that they can become productive adult citizens. Keeping this necessity in mind the State has the right to amend laws to suit this primary objective.
The Mufitaans of KSA might have studied Deen all their life but they have no sense of what the young individual of today requires for mental and spiritual nourishment and are totally out of touch with the current generation.
As far as I know underage marriage can be abrogated by the state as it is not a 'rule' stated in the Quran or Hadith.
Some laws are taken as guiding principles only.
In the current socio-economic setup of all societies including Muslim, educating children upto a certain minimum level is essential so that they can become productive adult citizens. Keeping this necessity in mind the State has the right to amend laws to suit this primary objective.
The Mufitaans of KSA might have studied Deen all their life but they have no sense of what the young individual of today requires for mental and spiritual nourishment and are totally out of touch with the current generation.
adnan_younus
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
how can a new born girl on cradle say qabool hai qabol hai qabool hai.. i think u will interpret her poo or pee or baa baa baa as she has agreed to marry what ever guy....
waleedhussain
Councller (250+ posts)
It is like this ...
1. guardian of the girl if settles nikah
2. Upon girl's maturity she has complete free will whether to accept or reject it
3. Marriage is consummated "ONLY" when the girl is physically and mentally mature AND most importantly accepts it , otherwise marriage will be annulled
No need of negative propaganda and presenting half information
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http://www.internetmosque.net/read/english_translation_of_the_quran_meaning/4/
Dear waleedhussain it seems according to the quran underage marriage is not allowed because the quran sets age of marriage and forbids getting a woman to agree to marriage by force please see verses 6 and 19.
Also why forced woman to go to court to get marriage annulled when she was not consulted in the first place? What will be the sense in getting people married this way?
As for the negative propaganda against islam, this is more than enough if you could think about it, is it not?
regards and all the best
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2Clk5lNUdQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwXrO55ucTM&feature=player_embedded
Dear waleedhussain it seems according to the quran underage marriage is not allowed because the quran sets age of marriage and forbids getting a woman to agree to marriage by force please see verses 6 and 19.
Also why forced woman to go to court to get marriage annulled when she was not consulted in the first place? What will be the sense in getting people married this way?
As for the negative propaganda against islam, this is more than enough if you could think about it, is it not?
regards and all the best
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2Clk5lNUdQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwXrO55ucTM&feature=player_embedded
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awan4ever
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Norwegian killer's 1500 pages about islam.
http://norskgoy.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/2083-aeuropeandeclarationofindependence.pdf
http://norskgoy.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/2083-aeuropeandeclarationofindependence.pdf
karachiwala
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Finally!!! some one has realized what this [MENTION=6254]hans[/MENTION] thing is. I have been saying all along that this guy sees with his hands now we find out he also has vacancy in the top floor. I suggest you disregard this stupid guy as he thrives on controversies.
adnan_younus
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
that makes sense... so if the girl or boy refuses in future will he/she be considered as divorced???
also will practicality of this law dependent on the unislamic cuilture we have in paksitan where a girl can no way go to the law and say they are forcing me to do this marriage.. shudnt a law for women protection according to islam be brought first than this child marriage law?????
all im say why pick and choosy to the ones suitable to men...
also will practicality of this law dependent on the unislamic cuilture we have in paksitan where a girl can no way go to the law and say they are forcing me to do this marriage.. shudnt a law for women protection according to islam be brought first than this child marriage law?????
all im say why pick and choosy to the ones suitable to men...
w-a-n-t-e-d-
Minister (2k+ posts)
Under Age SHadi Ka Tu Rafzi Bhi Kehta Hai
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1903420,00.html
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1903420,00.html
w-a-n-t-e-d-
Minister (2k+ posts)
Ghulam Ahmad Parvezi Parvezi Fitna Ka Moejd Tha Eski Tamam sharing es forum say hatani chaeyhin
Dear wanted, do two wrongs make it ok? It will help if the idea is refuted by evidence. We are not enemies but grown up people here to help each other educate ourselves and you will agree that one cannot educate people with childish playground contests.
It is better to confront all parties equally that say wrong things rather than my party is ok and yours is so and so.
regards and all the best
w-a-n-t-e-d-
Minister (2k+ posts)
islam main party bazi nahi k sab ko equaly leya jay dost ...
humara tu Kalma he La- Say shoro hoa hai Yani her batil ki Nafi say ...
Tu sahib-e-Kalma Jinab-e-Rusool Allah saw ki mubarak ahadith ka huliya begarny waloon
ya yeh kehny waloon say main kiuon koe narmi barto jo kehtay hain k Ahadith kuch nahi...
jinko Nabi saww ki sunnat he na piyari ho unko Islam kia khak pasand hoga es k cheray main or bush k
cheray main kia farq hai ???
Captin Masood Usmani Or Ghulam Ahmad Parvaez Duno fitnay thay dost
waleedhussain
Councller (250+ posts)
You people are unnecessarily and extra ordinarily hyping this up -- as usual for us pakistanis to do ...
1. Listen I told you that this marriage is "ANNULLED" -- if you had 1% of Shariah knowledge then you would have known what i meant.
Fior example .. there is a Sahih Hadith in which a woman came to Prophet Muhammad pbuh and said that her father forcibly marrriedher to sum1 she does not agree ..the Prophet annulled the marriage ... NOT DIVORCE ...which means that marriage condition was not fully met .
Similar is the case here ....
1. Parents agrees to marry her daughter upon maturity
2. All conditions are met willfully and without any force or compulsion
3. Marriage consummated if when the girl become mature then she accepts this - if she does not accept this mariage cannot b consummated and will be annulled and haq mahr if given will be taken back.
4. @ AWAN4U asked whats purpose for this kind of marriage? Dear brother this is what I am saying ... we are living in saudi arabia and this case is HARDLy % of real happening. Saudis marry same like pakistani,egyptian, indian or any other culture when the girl is full matue and the boy is self sufficient khud kafeel . These fatwas are discusssion or for issuing legal islamic fatwas but IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT IS THE NORM OF SOCIETY.
For example ...all of us know that it would be right for a person to eat PIG incase of famine ...its an Islamic ruling ...but how many times really did occur this situation ? very rare ...
Same is the case here ... Sheikh Saleh Al Fauzan like any other legal lawyer put forward the argument that even if the girl is in cradle she can be wed in his discussion on setting up minimum age limit for marriage .... but actually this is 0.00001% like that this would happen as Saudis are no different than other human beings ...
The point is why we always create hype for this kind of stupid method ...and Western Yahoo Maktoob is one of those agents being used to create disharmony in Saudi Arabia by propagating false news ...
It is just a verdict for Shariah legal decision makers ... Not a norm of a socitey that every Saudi carries girl in lap and takes it to market to sell kids to marry ... know the whole context and dont spread unnecassary negative views which are not facts ....
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