"ISI Should Be Dissolved" - Dr. Abdul Qadir Khan

Jury

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
The ISI should be dissolved and a new National Intelligence Agency be established.​
Dr A Q Khan
Monday, July 11, 2011

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http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDetail.aspx?ID=57145&Cat=9&dt=7/11/2011


Defenders Of Pakistan


While my first contact was with then army chief Gen Tikka Khan, it was followed by my contact with Gen Ziaul Haq, who became army chief in April 1976, Gen Arif, Gen Mirza Aslam Beg, Gen Asif Nawaz, Gen Abdul Wahid Kakar, Gen Jehangir Karamat and last, but worst of all, Gen Pervez Musharraf. Gen Aslam Beg and Gen Kakar stood out above all the others. I also had close contact and meetings with Gen Haq Nawaz, Gen. Tanvir Naqvi, Gen M. Akram Khan, Gen Akhtar Abdul Rahman, Gen Abdul Qadir Baloch, Gen Sharif Nasir, Gen Ali Kuli Khan, Gen Shamim Alam, Gen Ahmed Jamal, Gen Mustafa Kamal, Gen Arshad Chaudhry, Gen Ali Nawab, Gen Moinuddin Haider, Gen Saeed Qadir, Gen Javed Nasir, Gen Ghulam Mohammad, Gen Ashraf Qazi, Gen Afzal Janjua, Gen Abdul Qayyum, Gen Zamin Naqvi, Brig Ibrahim Qureshi and Brig Iqbal Tajwar, to name but a few. All of them were thorough gentlemen, as well as highly professional.

However, this does not mean that there were no others whose character, performance and attitude were abhorrent. Of the army chiefs, only Gen Asif Nawaz was short-tempered, and sometimes even rude. After meeting him a few times I wondered how the army’s evaluation system could allow people like him to reach such heights. After meeting Gen Musharraf, my wondering turned to shock. In my evaluation he should not have been promoted beyond the rank of major. Not only the jawans and army officers at large, but also the public, were aware of his undesirable behaviour. When I once asked Gen Hameed Gul how he, as director general of the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) and corps commander of Multan, gave positive annual reports about Musharaf, he admitted that this had been a mistake. He was misled by Musharraf’s behaviour of a “brave commando,” he said.

Once again, please don’t judge the whole army by the misdeeds of a few high-ranking officers. It is our prime institution. The jawans and young officers never hesitate to sacrifice their lives for the country when called upon to do so. I personally had marble graves constructed for Mahfooz Shaheed and Karnal Sher Khan Shaheed. They are our heroes and always will be. The martyrs of 1965 are still remembered by the whole nation and will never be forgotten. The wars of 1965 and 1971 and the Kargil conflict were started by adventurist generals, but were paid for with the lives of brave jawans and junior officers. In all armies of the world one can always find some misguided opportunists. Our army is no exception. The command structure is such that jawans and junior officers have to obey orders. Nobody can refuse, disobey or question. It is difficult, but an army must allow a culture of freedom of expression and discussion to develop. That would make it strong and more popular.

In the 25 years that I worked at Kahuta, nobody ever said anything unpleasant or challenged my authority. They knew that, though I was their boss, I was more of a friend and colleague who had their interest at heart. They could frankly discuss all matters with me, even their personal problems – whether they were Grade 1 or Grade 22 colleagues. One can ask any of my former colleagues how I worked and behaved with them.

One bad thing in our class-ridden society is the presence of those who behave like “Firauns” with their juniors and those of lower standing , treat them like chaprasis and don’t allow them to even give their views. The culprits are least bothered about, or even conscious of, their objectionable behaviour. However, someone of a decent family background would never act like that.

The biggest damage to the reputation and respect of the army is being done by the intelligence agencies. Many incompetent, superseded officers considered unsuitable for promotion, are subsequently retired and posted there. They vent their anger and frustrations on their juniors (or even on those who were their benefactors, as in my case). The army, the air force and the navy should do all their intelligence work through Military Intelligence, Air Intelligence and Naval Intelligence and then coordination should be done at the Joint Staff Headquarters. The ISI should be dissolved and a new National Intelligence Agency be established. This new body should not employ serving armed forces officers, for obvious reasons of conflict of interests. It should be established under a non-controversial, well-educated and experienced civilian or former chief of one of the services (with the rank of a federal minister) with competent civilian sleuths. This would go a long way in relieving the army of dirty extra baggage like kidnappings, abductions, murders and harassment which the ISI has continuously dealt in and is accused of by every segment of society in Pakistan and by foreign countries as well. I am sure the army chief does not know what goes on in the ISI behind his back and without his knowledge. Let the civilian government be responsible for the new organisation and all their acts be accountable to the judiciary and the public.

A few words here about a very brave and competent army officer, the late Brig Ibrahim Qureshi. He died on July 5, 2010. When I stayed back in Pakistan at the personal request of Mr Z A Bhutto, he made me head of the autonomous project named Engineering Research Laboratories (ERL) after a few months. He also established a coordination board to oversee the activities of ERL and the Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission (PAEC) and their coordination. The Board consisted of Mr A G N Kazi (secretary general, finance), Mr Ghulam Ishaq Khan (secretary general, defence) and Mr Agha Shahi (secretary general, foreign affairs). I had very cordial and close relations with all of them. At that time, travelling abroad was not easy for government officers. This problem was solved by Mr Agha Shahi, who provided my colleagues and me with diplomatic passports – an excellent arrangement. He introduced me to one of his officers, Brig Ibrahim Qureshi, who was director general of administration at the time. He was a soft-spoken, highly efficient, thorough gentleman, and very helpful. He assisted us for many years until we were a fully-fledged organisation, all the while making things easy for us. He was later posted as high commissioner to Kenya.

I request all Pakistanis to show love, affection and respect to the defenders of our country – they who are there to be the first to give their lives for you, me and Pakistan. Long live the brave, patriotic defenders of our motherland! Long live Pakistan!
 
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alpha

MPA (400+ posts)
Re: "ISI Should Be Dissolved" - Dr. Abdul Qadir Khan - Thats What Altaf Said As Claimed

Old man is out of his mind.. I don't know how muchbhe took to write this crap
 

crowbar

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: "ISI Should Be Dissolved" - Dr. Abdul Qadir Khan - Thats What Altaf Said As Claimed

I respect Dr Qadeer for his efforts in geting us the Nuclear technology but at the same time i donot agree with him when he talk about something which is out of his professional field. Now he is trying to be HER FUNE MAULA which he is not . The way he described Gen Asif Nawaz janjua speaks of his personal hatred towards him. General Asif Nawaz was a very fine, mature and professionally capable officer which pakistan army had very very few like him.I exactly know how General Asif called Dr Qadeer twice in his office and confronted him with certain facts . Had General Asif been alive ,Dr Qadeer wouldn't have faced humiliation in the recent past.He would have been retired honorably with full benefit so that he is free to run businesses like property dealers.
Let me say a word about General Aslam Beg whom being praised by Dr Qadeer time and again. General Aslam beg was the most corrupt cheif of pakistan army. He made billions in army Equipment contracts. Just to quote an example , he brought the most useless FIAT vehicles to pakistan army just to get kick backs in millions of dollars.His MP5 submachine gun is of no use, its good for displaying purpose .Army been asking for Ak47 which is the best ,all weather ,all battle conditions and a tested weapon which one can trust upon for working perfectly but there was no kickbacks from the company so he got MP5 submachine guns which hardly fires but were good in giving kick backs.
It was Aslam beg who was involved in Mehran Bank scandal .He pocketed a handfull of amount in those deals.
Lastly , It was Aslam Beg who started selling nuclear stuff to other countries ,Iran was one of them. I hope Dr Qadeer still remembers when he was told that you are running the affairs like a property dealer.Thats the reason that Dr sahib praises Aslam beg and talk very low of a very fine officer, general Asif Nawaz.MONEY MAKES MARE GO.
 

gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Re: "ISI Should Be Dissolved" - Dr. Abdul Qadir Khan - Thats What Altaf Said As Claimed

I respect Dr Qadeer for his efforts in geting us the Nuclear technology but at the same time i donot agree with him when he talk about something which is out of his professional field. Now he is trying to be HER FUNE MAULA which he is not . .MONEY MAKES MARE GO.

That's the reason I have always written

Dr Qadir has earned respect and should learn how to keep it. And most importantly he should keep his big crocodile mouth shut. Every time he opens it, N2S( dangerous gas nitrogen sulphide) belches out.

I get the feeling that he is sold out to write this if in fact it is his article.

Changing the name from ISI to NIA makes no difference except that it will cause tremendous amount of paper change. The people such as operatives and heads will remain same and will come out of 180 million Pakis, corrupt or not.

My party Patriots will create another agency called PAISA - Pakistan Intelligence & Security Agency. The mandate of this will take over from the ISI for local operations and the ISI will be only for international operations. ISI, then, will be able to concentrate more on the outside enemies while the Paisa will take care of the internal traitors from the guy on the street to the prime minister.

May Allah bestow upon me the day that i will realize my dream of strongest Pakistan and of the vision of Ummah Republic Of Pakistan, stretching from Indonesia to Syria. Ameen
 

hamza100

Councller (250+ posts)
Re: "ISI Should Be Dissolved" - Dr. Abdul Qadir Khan - Thats What Altaf Said As Claimed

i totally agree with DR. khan that its time to dissolve ISI. only way to peaceful pakistan
 

gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Re: "ISI Should Be Dissolved" - Dr. Abdul Qadir Khan - Thats What Altaf Said As Claimed

i totally agree with DR. khan that its time to dissolve ISI. only way to peaceful pakistan


Are you suggestion that there should be no agency or revamp the agency.

If no agency, then who will do the work to protect the nation?
 

bravo

Banned
Re: "ISI Should Be Dissolved" - Dr. Abdul Qadir Khan - Thats What Altaf Said As Claimed

we have been saying it for 30 years!!

Isi is govt in itself.it decides foreign policy and is cause of most of all troubles of pakistan!!

Indian agency military wing was disbanded in 1977 by then prime minister;since then RAW directly reports to PM,only hires civilian(police officers ) and bureaucrates and its primary job is to gather evidence and information!!
 

WatanDost

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: "ISI Should Be Dissolved" - Dr. Abdul Qadir Khan - Thats What Altaf Said As Claimed

Defenders Of Pakistan


. After meeting Gen Musharraf, my wondering turned to shock. In my evaluation he should not have been promoted beyond the rank of major. Not only the jawans and army officers at large, but also the public, were aware of his undesirable behaviour. When I once asked Gen Hameed Gul how he, as director general of the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) and corps commander of Multan, gave positive annual reports about Musharaf, he admitted that this had been a mistake. He was misled by Musharrafs behaviour of a brave commando, he said.


The biggest damage to the reputation and respect of the army is being done by the intelligence agencies. The ISI should be dissolved and a new National Intelligence Agency be established.


Dear JURY
You missed the REAL COMMENTS.
Why because MUSHI was your SUPPORTER.
As he appriciated your KILLINGS on 12th may.
And ALTAF was ASKING
" WARDI UTARO KIOON KIA DAIKHNA CHAHREY HO"
What ALTAF already SEEN of MUSHI in PRIVATE.

You people are disgusting
FIRST SAY LAANT.EE MUSHARAF
Than code DR Abdul Qadeer KHAN

Because Dr SAHAB believe so.

And about ISI dissolving
Dr Sahab suggestion is his point of view
but
NOT WORKABLE.
 

Jury

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: "ISI Should Be Dissolved" - Dr. Abdul Qadir Khan - Thats What Altaf Said As Claimed

Defenders Of Pakistan


. After meeting Gen Musharraf, my wondering turned to shock. In my evaluation he should not have been promoted beyond the rank of major. Not only the jawans and army officers at large, but also the public, were aware of his undesirable behaviour. When I once asked Gen Hameed Gul how he, as director general of the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) and corps commander of Multan, gave positive annual reports about Musharaf, he admitted that this had been a mistake. He was misled by Musharraf’s behaviour of a “brave commando,” he said.


The biggest damage to the reputation and respect of the army is being done by the intelligence agencies. The ISI should be dissolved and a new National Intelligence Agency be established.


Dear JURY
You missed the REAL COMMENTS.
Why because MUSHI was your SUPPORTER.

As he appriciated your KILLINGS on 12th may.
And ALTAF was ASKING
" WARDI UTARO KIOON KIA DAIKHNA CHAHREY HO"
What ALTAF already SEEN of MUSHI in PRIVATE.


You people are disgusting
FIRST SAY LAANT.EE MUSHARAF
Than code DR Abdul Qadeer KHAN

Because Dr SAHAB believe so.

And about ISI dissolving
Dr Sahab suggestion is his point of view
but
NOT WORKABLE.

1) I picked the GIST. Don't you remember Altaf's speech in India. Why did he say so? Did/do you care about the back ground?

2) MQM didn't join Mushi, that's why they boycotted local bodies election in 2011. But, champions took part in it. And champion of Champions took part in referendum of Mush. After taking participation in GENERAL ELECTION, MQM join Govt.

3) 12th May 2007 to 12th May 2011. It has been four years, but you still living in illusion, that MQM did it.
Champions know that, but they are not revealing. Ask them who did that, as she claimed, they knew, there would be a blood shed.


4) Explain exactly, what was you were saying in RED PART.

And ALTAF was ASKING
" WARDI UTARO KIOON KIA DAIKHNA CHAHREY HO"
What ALTAF already SEEN of MUSHI in PRIVATE.
 

drkjke

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: "ISI Should Be Dissolved" - Dr. Abdul Qadir Khan - Thats What Altaf Said As Claimed

aslam baig and hameed gul both share the crimes of musharaf.both gave positive reports to musharaf which later resulted in his becoming army chief.
some sources claim that once musharaf was about to be court marshalled due to his characterlessness but aslam baig saved his mohajir brother by doing sfaraish for him to army high ups and musharaf was saved,,,this safarish did cost pakistan very very much later on.
salam baig and hameed gul chatter a lot nowdays claiming that they are patriotic,but they are actually just stooges of isi
 

Jury

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: "ISI Should Be Dissolved" - Dr. Abdul Qadir Khan - Thats What Altaf Said As Claimed

aslam baig and hameed gul both share the crimes of musharaf.both gave positive reports to musharaf which later resulted in his becoming army chief.
some sources claim that once musharaf was about to be court marshalled due to his characterlessness but aslam baig saved his mohajir brother by doing sfaraish for him to army high ups and musharaf was saved,,,this safarish did cost pakistan very very much later on.
salam baig and hameed gul chatter a lot nowdays claiming that they are patriotic,but they are actually just stooges of isi

These sources also told you about JINNAH PUR, HAKEEM SAEED MURDER, EDITOR SALLAH UDDIN MURDER, MAJOR KALEEM TORCHER, etc. which all turned out fake one.
 

Jury

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: "ISI Should Be Dissolved" - Dr. Abdul Qadir Khan - Thats What Altaf Said As Claimed

I am also saying the same thing
" WARDI UTARO KIOON KIA DAIKHNA CHAHREY HO"
What ALTAF already SEEN of MUSHI in PRIVATE.
You didn't get my point.
That's what Altaf asking to them who were saying WARDI UTARO.
By asking them, what you've seen earlier, which they want to see again.


Yaar, I posted this thread to see FATWA from FATWA BAZ,
against Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan in the same manner as were against ALTAF.
 

WatanDost

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: "ISI Should Be Dissolved" - Dr. Abdul Qadir Khan - Thats What Altaf Said As Claimed

You didn't get my point.
That's what Altaf asking to them who were saying WARDI UTARO.
By asking them, what you've seen earlier, which they want to see again.

Yaar, I posted this thread to see FATWA from FATWA BAZ,
against Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan in the same manner as were against ALTAF.

My DEAR
DR SAHIB made PAKISTAN A pround MUSLIM NATION.
So his SUGGESTIONS are welcome.
He made PAKISTAN NUCLEAR POWER.
How could you MATCH ALTAF with him.
Who make KARACHI and Hyderabad BLEEDING.
For ALLAH sake
Dont compare the sayings of WISE man
with
A ASSAYLUM HOLDER ALTAF.
 

Jury

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: "ISI Should Be Dissolved" - Dr. Abdul Qadir Khan - Thats What Altaf Said As Claimed

My DEAR
DR SAHIB made PAKISTAN A pround MUSLIM NATION.
So his SUGGESTIONS are welcome.
He made PAKISTAN NUCLEAR POWER.
How could you MATCH ALTAF with him.
Who make KARACHI and Hyderabad BLEEDING.
For ALLAH sake
Dont compare the sayings of WISE man
with
A ASSAYLUM HOLDER ALTAF.

I don't have confusion, just want to confirm prejudice.
Rules should be same, without considering likes and dislikes.
 

gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Re: "ISI Should Be Dissolved" - Dr. Abdul Qadir Khan - Thats What Altaf Said As Claimed

You didn't get my point.
That's what Altaf asking to them who were saying WARDI UTARO.
By asking them, what you've seen earlier, which they want to see again.


Yaar, I posted this thread to see FATWA from FATWA BAZ,
against Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan in the same manner as were against ALTAF.


Well,

Didnt I give fatwa just like I issue fatwa against AH? LOL