AOA everyone... I just registered on here today but I have been visiting the site for over a year now , what got me hooked was "hasb e haal" and then obviously I couldn't resist the rest of threads/videos . I don't live in Pakistan and this site is the only source for me to follow these talk shows. Day in , day out ...we watch them ...we comment on them....we curse a lotta of 'em , we praise very few of 'em . My question is ...there is close to 1000 ppl on this forum....there is nothing we can do besides making a comment or 2 ? I am not judging anyone ...it's a sincere question .... I don't know the system all that well .... but there is got to be a way for us to be heard ..no ? maafi chahta hoon agar kisi ko mera savaal ajeeb ya bura laga ho .... laken khoon jalta hai yeh sab kuch dekh kar , sun kar .... Thank you for reading !
Is this all we can do ? No offence , just a question
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manahalali
Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
welcome to the forum bro.
I would suggest a general consensus as in where the majority of people on this forum are inclined to ...as in which political party . Some of you will probably say , oh no one is deserving! which is true but in these forsaken times , the least corrupt would be the best choice I guess. Once we have that outta the way ,we can try reaching out to concerned people and lay out our suggestions / ideas and may even get to help that group implement some of it ....it's a long shot but is there anyone who thinks it's worth a shot ?
welcome to this forum.v ppl r powerless. v do comment in this forum bcause v feel this the only place where a common man can comment. otherwise i do not find any media or tv ancher has ever tried to find out the feeling or ideas of any common man bcause common man cannot feed them enough to make them happy.i hope u understand what i m refering.now only way is that v must unite on one thing and that is we shall vote honestly to a party who is honest and sincere to Pakistan and its ppl.the party may loose but v shall be satisfied.so wait and see.
gazoomartian
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
First, welcome to the 'show' brother. Nice to see you come and join us.
Allow me to introduce myself. My name is Gazoo Martian, the future Nazim (Director) of Pakistan with a virtual party called Pakistani Patriots. Virtual today, actual tomorrow
I have been living in Canada since 1975 and I probably the oldest (and wisest (bigsmile)) on this forum.
brother, this is not the best we can offer. this is one of the things we can offer. There is always some positivity in any negativity. It may seem like we are bashing each other but in fact we are developing our political mental capacity. Since democracy, regardless whether its good or bad, is a newborn baby in Pakistan, brains of Pakistanis have not been developed yet, as you might find it evident from reading the bashing in the posts. . We are slowly learning how to communicate with oppositions, such as MQM to PTI, PTI to PML etc. This is actually helping us a lot in political education. YES we do go overboard attimes but thats part of politically growing up.
I hope I have satisfied your curiosity, and again welcome aboard.
Just sit back, relax and enjoy the fight ;)
hawk eyed
MPA (400+ posts)
haya mr khurram:)welcum aboard.....i came here with same intention....here v can comment n xpress ourselves but v r in need ov a strong n united voice which could b heard....v do support different parties but our objective is same....betterment n prosperity ov our motherland....but am not able to figure out how would v achieve it without being united??
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Murshad Jee
Guest
we should be unite but in reality, if we are 100000 people from different countries unite over the internet, what we can achieve ........... nothing. UNTIL we start using our actual power.
Our actual power is our family, neighbours, friends and everyone we knows. Everyone of us Alhamdulillah educated enough to explain others that what type of PAKISTAN we want. We can make our voice to be heard but we have to start from grass root level.
We discuss our important issues here, and try to write more comments and make others to believe or agree with us..........BUT.......... do we really have these kind of qualities to discuss these kind of national issues?
We have to make ourself a good example and then try to start telling others what to do. Start from our own home and then family, friends and others. Tell them what you think is wrong and ask their opinion and then tell them how we can change this corrupt system through only one power we have is our VOTE. Tell them please come out from our old style system where if a man voted for Bhutto then his grand childrens still have to vote for PPP because its honour for these grand children to follow the same foot steps of their grand father, without even thinking about their future, and the second biggest issue is Brotheri-izm, for example, if some Khan, Malik or Rana participate in election (no matter who they representing) then all khans, maliks and Ranays have to vote the same-cast candidate. In-fact they should look around and use their only and very important power of vote for someone who is honest even he/she doesn't belong to their cast.
We have to start using our actual power to bring our country to the right path,
otherwise,
We will be wasting our time over the internet looking for solutions that how can bring the change.............and our enemies will achieve their goals.
So Bro n Sis....................please start spreading the knowledge but make sure we can only start from our home.......... If our family listen to us and trust us then we can make others to listen and follow us..................very easily.
Our actual power is our family, neighbours, friends and everyone we knows. Everyone of us Alhamdulillah educated enough to explain others that what type of PAKISTAN we want. We can make our voice to be heard but we have to start from grass root level.
We discuss our important issues here, and try to write more comments and make others to believe or agree with us..........BUT.......... do we really have these kind of qualities to discuss these kind of national issues?
We have to make ourself a good example and then try to start telling others what to do. Start from our own home and then family, friends and others. Tell them what you think is wrong and ask their opinion and then tell them how we can change this corrupt system through only one power we have is our VOTE. Tell them please come out from our old style system where if a man voted for Bhutto then his grand childrens still have to vote for PPP because its honour for these grand children to follow the same foot steps of their grand father, without even thinking about their future, and the second biggest issue is Brotheri-izm, for example, if some Khan, Malik or Rana participate in election (no matter who they representing) then all khans, maliks and Ranays have to vote the same-cast candidate. In-fact they should look around and use their only and very important power of vote for someone who is honest even he/she doesn't belong to their cast.
We have to start using our actual power to bring our country to the right path,
otherwise,
We will be wasting our time over the internet looking for solutions that how can bring the change.............and our enemies will achieve their goals.
So Bro n Sis....................please start spreading the knowledge but make sure we can only start from our home.......... If our family listen to us and trust us then we can make others to listen and follow us..................very easily.
Thanks for all the comments ...but guys to be honest .... I didn't get one response that would hint any light at the end of tunnel . One person says , we are too weak to do anything .Another says start from scratch ...from our families ,neighbors .Another says , he is got his own virtual political party designed. Someone even started a convo about MQM ...Guys ! on this virtual forum , we are family , we are friends , we are neighbors .... to save this Pakistan ,we have to live within the resources we have available now ,not what vitual party could become a reality tomorrow . It's not about who speak what language .... where did those days go when the person was looked down upon speaking about lingual differences negatively ? jab koi kehta tha oye pathan , oye mahajir , oye punjabi , and our elder used to tell us ..."buri baat" aaj ham sab itnay closed minded , itnay selfish kion ho gaye hain ? savaal kia tha , aap logo nay usko kia bana dia .... savaafal kamazkum is forum par sabko unite karnay ka tha ... bohat afsos hoa ... Allah ham sabko aqal de ( including myself)
Welcome to Siasat.pk. So you got frustrated by the non-responsiveness of "educated" Pakistanis ( I am assuming most of the people are educated here according to Pakistani standards, i.e can write their name) , imagine how those handful of politicans ( who have clean intentions) would feel when talking to a normal Pakistani in Pakistan. To be honest with you, most of the people on this forum are all talk no action ( including myself ofcourse). People who are ready to make a difference, are doing so on the ground. As IK once said, you dont develop leaders , leaders are born through hardship and commitment towards achieving their goal.
I have thought really hard about how things can change in Pakistan, and I think the answer is really simple. We need to change our political system. Every Pakistani who wants to make a difference in Pakistan has to do it through politics , there is no other way to make "big changes". NGOs can make a difference in a handful of peoples lives, but that wont do anymore. The old thinking of Pakistani politics is dirty has to be thrown out of the window and every educated person , who honestly wants to see a better Pakistan needs to join politics , directly or indirectly.
Now to your suggestion that we should develop a consensus on one political party. Well thats not really possible if you think about it because each person has his own perspective on whats right and whats wrong. For example, I personally think nationalization during ZA Bhuttos time and then the Islamization of Pakistan during Zia's time has literally destroyed the country. Again, my personal opinion is that Islam shouldnt be mixed with politics , and Pakistan should be a secular country as Jinnah envisioned (based on some of the books and material I have read on his philosophy. Not referring to the brainwashing books we read in school). But a lot of people believe that "Pakistan ka mutlab kia ..... " ( you know the rest). So due to a difference in opinion, we cant really develop a consensus on one political party.
But if you want my opinion, I think in the future the two biggest parties in Pakistan will be PTI and MQM. The problem with PTI is that the party's ideology appeals only to the educated masses of Pakistan that are living abroad. PTI has a lot of supporters in North America & UK. But PTI's popularity unfortunately is still restricted to only urban the centers. Every issue that PTI raises to me sounds very insightful but I dont know how this doesnt translate into votes.
MQM has skeletons in its closest , anyone who has lived in Karachi in the 90s can testify to their "bullyish attitude". But parties evolve and I think MQM has matured as time has passed. It is probably the only party that has allowed the middle class man to move up the ranks in their party. I personally know people who have moved up the ranks in MQM without any political background so that is one thing about MQM we should all appreciate.
very good analysis " MOADHIA" buddy . A few reasons for it not to show in form of votes for PTI , Imran is right ,most of the votes for PTI is the younger crowd which wasn't allowed to cat vote this time around ...I am sure it would change in general elections. It is also true that there is a vast majority support abroad for PTI but one could argue that MQM's founder is influencing everything from abroad .... but it really is besides the point. MQM is achieving their goals even then. I think it's pretty obvious that Imran is no politician , I actually wouldn't want him to become one if being a politician means to be a crook like the politicians we have now . Some people are born leaders , he is definitely one ....He needs to make people realize that and take him as a leader , not another rogue politician . I also agree that maybe 20 yrs from now ,MQM and PTI will replace PMLN and PPP to be the 2 bigger forces . Good or bad , we like it or don't .... that's where it's heading .
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