Guys this news paper publish weekly and deliver free on Desi grocery stores you can advertise half page in $20/- for whole month. the publishers of Urdu news paper and Punjabi all doing community work and government of Canada give them a handsome amount for there community work.so don't take it serious its like Zamima in Pakistan of flayer of advertisement.
Is Pakistan Nation of Fools? - "Ullu ke khoni Taweez"
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Pakistani1947
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Pak4242, You must be kidding! $20/- for half page for whole month!!
Following is the front page containing the phone numbers. You may call to know how much would it cost to publish an ad size 7" X 4.5 " on page 12:
Abdul Allah
Minister (2k+ posts)
Why not you conduct a survey on this?
choose sample of mixture of educated and "uneducated" persons from pakistan or outside pakistan
ask one simple question.
1) Magic is allowed in Islam
and post the result here.
I think the result will be 100% for "NO"
Yet these kind of Baba's get their "share" from public
So what is your question/problem here?
my problem without your logic is simple.
Do not show your sectarian hate in wrong way.
you called a Masih as PEER. ( i am still waiting from any apology on that)
you called another person PEER when the ad did not called him that.
Abdul Allah
Minister (2k+ posts)
My Question was/is simple
اگر کوئی شخص کسی غیر اللہ سے مانگے اسے معبود سمجھ کر یا یہ مانتے ہوے کے وہ اللہ کی مرضی کے بغیر اپنی مرضی سے کسی کی مدد کرسکتے ہیں
تو یہ شرک ہے
مگر مگر
اگر کوئی شخص کسی کو اللہ کا بندہ جان کر اور یہ مانتے ہوے کے اللہ کی رضا سے وہ مدد کرتے ہیں
تو یہ شرک نہیں ہے
is it a false statement?
Dear Abdul Allah, in this kind of discussions the point is not whether Allah can do something or not. It is about the way Allah has chosen to set up things and informed us and therefore such arguments as do not take this in to account become flawed.
Peeri mureedi in itself is not wrong because peer means a teacher and mureed means disciple. But what the teacher teaches and what the disciples learn is under scrutiny in such like discussions.
Let us think about these two points and see whether what is believed and done in the name of islam is really islam or something else.
The question is, what purpose does peeri muredi serve in today's world and what purpose it is supposed to serve?
My view is that peeri mureedi is great thing for self help in learning what people cannot afford in formal education.
This is like the role of prophets and their followers when there were no schools, colleges and universities. Today the same idea will be very successful in places where such facilities are not available or amongst people who cannot afford it. This is concept of free education for all.
Today instead of fulfilling this need some clever people are out to make fool of other simple minded people and this is use and abuse. If we allow this for peers and mureeds in the name of islam then why should we fight against other exploiters of humanity?
So I condemn such people who exploit simple human beings. Destroying humanity in the name of humanity is not allowed in islam.
The other point is of miracles = mojizaat and karamaat. They are true in quranic context but not as general public believe them. That is not quranic concept of miracles.
I want people here to explain these things clearly so that we could end this curse of exploitation by false claimers. We need to educate ourselves and if possible help others.
regards and all the best.
Re: Is Pakistan Nation of Fools?
Dear samar, I think it is better if we try and put up convincing arguments for our points of views about certain beliefs or practices rather than getting personal. That way we can help educate ourselves as well as others.
Islam is fundamentally quranic and anything against that is not acceptable as islam.
The quranic islam is only that which is not against what is sensible. This is why understanding of the quran itself is fundamental for seeing what islam really is and what is islamic.
This is why following any aqeedah of any sect is wrong because all sects are wrong here and there. Our belief and practice should be what is clear from the quran. We should pick and choose and only support that belief or practice that we think is right in our well considered judgment.
regards and all the best.
Dear samar, I think it is better if we try and put up convincing arguments for our points of views about certain beliefs or practices rather than getting personal. That way we can help educate ourselves as well as others.
Islam is fundamentally quranic and anything against that is not acceptable as islam.
The quranic islam is only that which is not against what is sensible. This is why understanding of the quran itself is fundamental for seeing what islam really is and what is islamic.
This is why following any aqeedah of any sect is wrong because all sects are wrong here and there. Our belief and practice should be what is clear from the quran. We should pick and choose and only support that belief or practice that we think is right in our well considered judgment.
regards and all the best.
Dear Abdul Allah, on the face of it there is nothing wrong with this statement but the real question is is this what islam is all about?
In quranic sense islam is about independence from superstitious beliefs. Islam teaches humanity self reliance. The point islam makes is that human beings can do what Allah has asked them to do without relying on supernatural forces in wrong sense of miracles and magic or wrong definitions of words malaaika or jaan. The only supernatural being and power is Allah.
The only way Allah helps is by way of revelations, raising thoughts and bringing things to attention. The messages of prophetic nature for guidance of mankind were only for prophet-hood not for others. Today the other two ways of divine communication still continue and that is what I call karaamat. This is a way whereby Allah helps those who devote themselves to his cause.
The superstitious kind of magical miracles that people attribute to prophets and saints are not true because they are not necessary because they serve no purpose therefore are not possible. This is what this discussion is all about.
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regards and all the best.
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Perfectly False statement.
Invoking or calling anyone besides Allah is Shirk.
I do not call anyone except Allah:
I do not call anyone with Allah;
What ails the people to involve anyone in calling, what is the need for that, when Allah(SWT)
is accessible to everyone and without everyone.
Abdul Allah
Minister (2k+ posts)
At last
At least you answer the question.
describe Shirk please in your words not copy paste
Pakistani1947
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Dear Abdullah,
Asking help from alive person regarding worldly affairs is not SHIRK. Asking some alive person to pray for him is not SHIRK. But following example is SHIRK:
Let me translate only the first line of this poetry in above video which is enough to show the glimpse of the SHIRK in this poetry :
Panjabi line : ???? ???? ???? ???? ???? ???? ???? ?? ???? ????
Urdu Translation: "?? ???? ???? ???? ???? ??? ????"
Where as a Muslim says : "?? ???? ???? ???? ???? ??? ????"
When we say to somebody "?? ???? ????" or " ???? ????? ???? ???? ??? ????" we intend to say "may Allah keep you safe from any hazard, accident or unforeseen loss". OLNY Allah has that divine power to protect someone from an accident or unforeseen loss . If somebody believe that someone other than Allah also have that divine power (Nauzobilla) then that person is committing SHIRK.
If somebody arranges for a bodyguard (e.g., Zaid) to protect someone (e.g.,tahir ul qadri) , and Zaid is equipped with weapon and/or skill to be able to protect him, in case of an attack. If it is said that "Zaid you are resposible to keep tahir ul qadri safe", then there is no SHIRK since Zaid has means to try to protect tahir ul qadri.
The poet in this poetry is doing SHIRK by believing that tahir ul qadri has a divine power to protect them (Nauzobilla). It is very obvious that the poet does not intend to say in his poetry that "tahir ul qadri arrange a bodyguard to keep me safe" ("???? ??????? ???? ??? ???? ???? ?? ?????? ?? ??" ).
Now Please read the following hadeeth from Sahih Bukhari:
Malik al-Ashja'i reported: We, nine, eight or seven men, were in the company of the Messenger of Allah (??? ???? ???? ????) and he (??? ???? ???? ????) said: Why don't you pledge allegiance to the Messenger of Allah? -while we had recently pledged allegiance. So we said: Messenger of Allah (??? ???? ???? ????), we have already pledged allegiance to you (??? ???? ???? ????). He (??? ???? ???? ????) again said: Why don't you pledge allegiance to the Messenger of Allah? And we said: Messenger of Allah (??? ???? ???? ????), we have already pledged allegiance to you. He again said: Why don't you pledge allegiance to the Messenger of Allah (??? ???? ???? ????)? We stretched our hands and said: Messenger of Allah (??? ???? ???? ????). we have already pledged allegiance to you. Now tell (on what things) should we pledge allegiance to you. He (??? ???? ???? ????) said I (You must pledge allegiance) that you would worship Allah only and would not associate with Him anything, (and observe) five prayers, and obey- (and he said one thing in an undertone) -that you would not beg people of anything. (And as a consequence of that) I saw that some of these people did not ask anyone to pick up the whip for them if it fell down. (Sahih Muslim Book #005, Hadith #2270)
The lesson (from the point of view of topic under discussion) learned from this hadeeth is that Prophet Muhammad (??? ???? ???? ????) took pledge from his companians (??????? ??????? ????????) that they would not associate with Allah anything (SHIRK) and that they would not beg people of anything. The companion of Prophet Muhammad knew that SHIRK is such a worst sin that there is no forgiveness for this sin (SHIRK) from Allah and as a consequences they (??????? ??????? ????????) were so careful and afraid of Allah that they did not ask anyone to pick up the whip for them if it fell down. Obviously it is not a SHIRK to ask someone to help picking a whip, but this Hadeeth shows the extra carefulness of the companion of prophet Muhammad (??????? ??????? ????????) trying not to involve in form of activity where there is slightest doubt of SHIRK.
May Allah give hidayat to this Umma and open their hearts to be able to understand the truth (Aameen)
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Dear friends,
I think the problem of towheed and shirk does not arise from general definitions of terms but from definition of terms objectively.
There are many verses in the quran that define towheed and shirk in general terms and also many verses that define terms towheed and shirk objectively.
Since there is no disagreement between sects on general definition of towheed and shirk I will not comment on that ie in that monotheism and polytheism is clear.
The objectively defined shirk is actually kufar or rejection of Allah by deeds, practices or actions.
The point we need to understand here is that Allah is God and he created everything and explained everything we need to know. The question is, what is his purpose that he has clearly set for mankind?
There is verse in the quran that clearly says that Allah created ins and jin for his ibaadah. Word ibaadah here is very interesting. This does not mean ritualism but service. A servant is the one who does what he is told. In case of the quran and muslims, the quran is the divine constitution for mankind to live by. It is divine world order if you like or a system. What this means is that so long as one lives by the divine constitution one is servant of Allah and if one does not then one is not servant of Allah.
In my view the whole quran is important in the sense that its followers must act on it. That is when there is no society based on quranic values then muslims must work towards it and if it already exists then they must maintain it. This was the way of prophets and their true followers as told in the quran. The quran also tells us that each time a divine society was set up it by the prophets and their followers ,their later generations allowed it to become corrupt and disappear. The same thing has happened in case final divine messenger and his followers. He left them with divine society but later generations allowed it to disappear.
Therefore I take it as a conspiracy against the quran when people try to create five pillars out of the quran and leave the rest of it aside.
The idea that we are living islam when we do namaaz, roza, hajj and zakaat is a false one because this is not the purpose of the quran. The whole quran is important but the question is why someone took these things out and implemented them but left the rest of the quran aside?
This is magic=conspiracy. A trick to take muslims' attention away from the quranic ruling system as oppose to imperial ruling system. It is like you give a child a sweet and take away something very valuable from him without drawing his attention to what is really happening and why.
This is how muslim imperial imaams tricked ummah to move it away from quran by inventing creedal islam and deedal rituals and turned it into a religion ie a personal belief system just to please Allah by nonsense practices instead of doing what Allah had told in the quran.
The quran is reduced into a mere ritual recitation and nothing more because that is the way things suit ruling elite and their paid mullahs.
These are the mullahs who are dividing ummah for the sake of their paymasters.
The real ulema of ummah are those who try to educate ummah to get it out of the mess it is in.
People who accept rule of other than Allah need to think for themselves who are they really serving? If they are serving other than Allah willfully then that is not islam or is it?
Anyone who works against islam, he is not working for islam or is he?
This objective definition of shirk needs to be clearly understood in quranic context.
The teaching of the quran is Allah alone is God but he has created people and gave them guidance to be self reliant and achieve the heavenly appointed objective by working together as one people. This is how the prophet himself worked and created a company of people and together they manage to bring about the implementation of the divine constitution.
There was no any other kind of miracle from the heavens other than the revelations of Allah. If people believe that Allah done things for those people magically then they are discrediting the prophet's hard work and achievements as a human being and his example is then also thereby discredited. If we believe the prophet was supernatural human being then his example is useless for us because only supernatural human beings can follow his example not ordinary human beings.
If the prophet was sent to teach ordinary people how to do great things then his example is great but if he came to show how supernatural people do things then that is most certainly beyond the reach of ordinary people and of no consequences for them.
So we muslims need to think and decide what we take the quran to mean and whether that serves the quranic set out purpose or not.
This is not a matter of how powerful Allah is but how he set up things and what he want us to do. That is why we should not make it an issue as to who is powerful supernaturally or not and how powerful at that if any. This side tracks us from real issue of establishing the divine constitution in the world.
regards and all the best.
I think the problem of towheed and shirk does not arise from general definitions of terms but from definition of terms objectively.
There are many verses in the quran that define towheed and shirk in general terms and also many verses that define terms towheed and shirk objectively.
Since there is no disagreement between sects on general definition of towheed and shirk I will not comment on that ie in that monotheism and polytheism is clear.
The objectively defined shirk is actually kufar or rejection of Allah by deeds, practices or actions.
The point we need to understand here is that Allah is God and he created everything and explained everything we need to know. The question is, what is his purpose that he has clearly set for mankind?
There is verse in the quran that clearly says that Allah created ins and jin for his ibaadah. Word ibaadah here is very interesting. This does not mean ritualism but service. A servant is the one who does what he is told. In case of the quran and muslims, the quran is the divine constitution for mankind to live by. It is divine world order if you like or a system. What this means is that so long as one lives by the divine constitution one is servant of Allah and if one does not then one is not servant of Allah.
In my view the whole quran is important in the sense that its followers must act on it. That is when there is no society based on quranic values then muslims must work towards it and if it already exists then they must maintain it. This was the way of prophets and their true followers as told in the quran. The quran also tells us that each time a divine society was set up it by the prophets and their followers ,their later generations allowed it to become corrupt and disappear. The same thing has happened in case final divine messenger and his followers. He left them with divine society but later generations allowed it to disappear.
Therefore I take it as a conspiracy against the quran when people try to create five pillars out of the quran and leave the rest of it aside.
The idea that we are living islam when we do namaaz, roza, hajj and zakaat is a false one because this is not the purpose of the quran. The whole quran is important but the question is why someone took these things out and implemented them but left the rest of the quran aside?
This is magic=conspiracy. A trick to take muslims' attention away from the quranic ruling system as oppose to imperial ruling system. It is like you give a child a sweet and take away something very valuable from him without drawing his attention to what is really happening and why.
This is how muslim imperial imaams tricked ummah to move it away from quran by inventing creedal islam and deedal rituals and turned it into a religion ie a personal belief system just to please Allah by nonsense practices instead of doing what Allah had told in the quran.
The quran is reduced into a mere ritual recitation and nothing more because that is the way things suit ruling elite and their paid mullahs.
These are the mullahs who are dividing ummah for the sake of their paymasters.
The real ulema of ummah are those who try to educate ummah to get it out of the mess it is in.
People who accept rule of other than Allah need to think for themselves who are they really serving? If they are serving other than Allah willfully then that is not islam or is it?
Anyone who works against islam, he is not working for islam or is he?
This objective definition of shirk needs to be clearly understood in quranic context.
The teaching of the quran is Allah alone is God but he has created people and gave them guidance to be self reliant and achieve the heavenly appointed objective by working together as one people. This is how the prophet himself worked and created a company of people and together they manage to bring about the implementation of the divine constitution.
There was no any other kind of miracle from the heavens other than the revelations of Allah. If people believe that Allah done things for those people magically then they are discrediting the prophet's hard work and achievements as a human being and his example is then also thereby discredited. If we believe the prophet was supernatural human being then his example is useless for us because only supernatural human beings can follow his example not ordinary human beings.
If the prophet was sent to teach ordinary people how to do great things then his example is great but if he came to show how supernatural people do things then that is most certainly beyond the reach of ordinary people and of no consequences for them.
So we muslims need to think and decide what we take the quran to mean and whether that serves the quranic set out purpose or not.
This is not a matter of how powerful Allah is but how he set up things and what he want us to do. That is why we should not make it an issue as to who is powerful supernaturally or not and how powerful at that if any. This side tracks us from real issue of establishing the divine constitution in the world.
regards and all the best.
Abdul Allah
Minister (2k+ posts)
Still you did not answer my question.
My Question was/is simple
??? ???? ??? ??? ??? ???? ?? ????? ??? ????? ???? ?? ?? ?? ????? ??? ?? ?? ???? ?? ???? ?? ???? ???? ???? ?? ??? ?? ??? ?????? ???
?? ?? ??? ??
??? ???
??? ???? ??? ??? ?? ???? ?? ???? ??? ?? ??? ?? ????? ??? ?? ???? ?? ??? ?? ?? ??? ???? ???
?? ?? ??? ???? ??
is it a false statement?
My question is my above lines are false?
Yes or no
at least babadeena after a long time try to answer it
but you did not answer it yet.
these lines are false or not. if you said false then point out problem in those lines thanks
Abdul Allah
Minister (2k+ posts)
pay attention to these words
اگر کوئی شخص کسی کو اللہ کا بندہ جان کر اور یہ مانتے ہوے کے اللہ کی رضا سے وہ مدد کرتے ہیں
نہ کے اللہ کی رضا اند مدد کے بغیر
اگر کوئی شخص کسی کو اللہ کا بندہ جان کر اور یہ مانتے ہوے کے اللہ کی رضا سے وہ مدد کرتے ہیں
نہ کے اللہ کی رضا اند مدد کے بغیر
Pakistani1947
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Aaqeedah of Mushrikeen Makkah
Mushrikeen Makkah used to perform Hajj, and used to keep fast, and believe in Allah. then what was wrong in their Aqeedah which Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه وسلم) came to correct and faced such a hard time????????
Thats what Quran tells us!
Quran tells us that their SHIRK was that they (Mushrikeen Makkah) believed that ( idols) can intercede,
So basically:
a. Idol worshippers didn't believe in two wajib al-wujood Gods.
b. All they have done is that they have made photos, statues of those near to Allah like Prophets, Awliya or angels and do their Tazeem [show respect] to them like worshipping. So by doing this, they can reach their Lord.
So it is clear that Mushriks didn't believe that Awliya are at the level of Allah, but only have been given powers by Allah and are able to help when called for it.
This is also supported by a hadith in Sahih Muslim as Hadhrat ibn Abbas [رَّضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ] reported that the polytheists recited the Talbiya as:
TALBIYAH OF MUSHRIKEEN MAKKAH
Ibn 'Abbas (Allah be pleased with them) reported that the polytheists also pronounced (Talbiya) as: Here I am at Thy service, there is no associate with Thee. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Woe be upon them, as they also said: But one associate with Thee, you possess mastery over him, but he does not possess mastery (over you). They used to say this and circumambulate the Ka'ba. (Sahih Muslim, Book #007, Hadith #2671)
Mushrikeen Makkah used to perform Hajj, and used to keep fast, and believe in Allah. then what was wrong in their Aqeedah which Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه وسلم) came to correct and faced such a hard time????????
Thats what Quran tells us!
Quran tells us that their SHIRK was that they (Mushrikeen Makkah) believed that ( idols) can intercede,
وَيَعْبُدُونَ مِن دُونِ اللَّهِ مَا لَا يَضُرُّهُمْ وَلَا يَنفَعُهُمْ وَيَقُولُونَ هَـٰؤُلَاءِ شُفَعَاؤُنَا عِندَ اللَّهِ ۚ قُلْ أَتُنَبِّئُونَ اللَّهَ بِمَا لَا يَعْلَمُ فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَلَا فِي الْأَرْضِ ۚ سُبْحَانَهُ وَتَعَالَىٰ عَمَّا يُشْرِكُونَ
Yusuf Ali 18: They serve, besides Allah, things that hurt them not nor profit them, and they say: "These are our intercessors with Allah." Say: "Do ye indeed inform Allah of something He knows not, in the heavens or on earth?- Glory to Him! and far is He above the partners they ascribe (to Him)!" (Quraan 109:18)
اور الله کے سوا اس چیز کی پرستش کرتے ہیں جونہ انہیں نقصان پہنچا سکے اورنہ انہیں نفع دے سکے اور کہتے ہیں الله کے ہاں یہ ہمارے سفارشی ہیں کہہ دو کیا تم الله کو بتلاتے ہو جو اسے آسمانوں اور زمین میں معلوم نہیں وہ پاک ہے اوران لوگو ں کے شرک سے بلند ہے
أَلَا لِلَّهِ الدِّينُ الْخَالِصُ ۚ وَالَّذِينَ اتَّخَذُوا مِن دُونِهِ أَوْلِيَاءَ مَا نَعْبُدُهُمْ إِلَّا لِيُقَرِّبُونَا إِلَى اللَّهِ زُلْفَىٰ إِنَّ اللَّهَ يَحْكُمُ بَيْنَهُمْ فِي مَا هُمْ فِيهِ يَخْتَلِفُونَ ۗ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يَهْدِي مَنْ هُوَ كَاذِبٌ كَفَّارٌ
Yusuf Ali 3: Is it not to Allah that sincere devotion is due? But those who take for protectors other than Allah (say): "We only serve them in order that they may bring us nearer to Allah." Truly Allah will judge between them in that wherein they differ. But Allah guides not such as are false and ungrateful. (Quraan 39:3)
خبردار! خالص فرمانبرداری الله ہی کے لیے ہے جنہوں نے اس کے سوا اور کارساز بنا لیے ہیں ہم ان کی عبادت نہیں کرتے مگر اس لیے کہ وہ ہمیں الله سے قریب کر دیں بے شک الله ان کے درمیان ان باتوں میں فیصلہ کرے گا جن میں وہ اختلاف کرتےتھے بے شک الله اسے ہدایت نہیں کرتا جو جھوٹا ناشکرگزار ہو
So basically:
a. Idol worshippers didn't believe in two wajib al-wujood Gods.
b. All they have done is that they have made photos, statues of those near to Allah like Prophets, Awliya or angels and do their Tazeem [show respect] to them like worshipping. So by doing this, they can reach their Lord.
So it is clear that Mushriks didn't believe that Awliya are at the level of Allah, but only have been given powers by Allah and are able to help when called for it.
This is also supported by a hadith in Sahih Muslim as Hadhrat ibn Abbas [رَّضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُمْ] reported that the polytheists recited the Talbiya as:
TALBIYAH OF MUSHRIKEEN MAKKAH
Ibn 'Abbas (Allah be pleased with them) reported that the polytheists also pronounced (Talbiya) as: Here I am at Thy service, there is no associate with Thee. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Woe be upon them, as they also said: But one associate with Thee, you possess mastery over him, but he does not possess mastery (over you). They used to say this and circumambulate the Ka'ba. (Sahih Muslim, Book #007, Hadith #2671)
فَإِذَا رَكِبُوا فِي الْفُلْكِ دَعَوُا اللَّهَ مُخْلِصِينَ لَهُ الدِّينَ فَلَمَّا نَجَّاهُمْ إِلَى الْبَرِّ إِذَا هُمْ يُشْرِكُونَ
Yusuf Ali 65: Now, if they embark on a boat, they call on Allah, making their devotion sincerely (and exclusively) to Him; but when He has delivered them safely to (dry) land, behold, they give a share (of their worship to others)!- (Quraan 29:65)
پھر جب کشتی میں سوار ہوتے ہیں تو خالص اعتقاد سے الله ہی کو پکارتے ہیں پھر جب انہیں نجات دے کر خشکی کی طرف لے آتا ہے فوراً ہی شرک کرنے لگتے ہیں
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mush_dewana
Banned
عبدللہ بھا ئی کا ن الٹا پکرینی یا سیدھا
کیا الله نہ کسی اسے بندے(یا گروو ) کا قرآن میں ذکر کیا ہ کا جس سے (وسیلہ ) مانگا جا سکے
آپ دوا کروا سکتے ہیں لکین مانگیں گا الله ہی سے
Is lia fazool bahas chorain or meray lia dua kareen
Pakistani1947
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Dear mush_dewana, May Allah bless you in this world and the hereafter (Aameen)
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Abdul Allah
Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Aaqeedah of Mushrikeen Makkah
again you did not read what you have sent yourself
اور الله کے سوا اس چیز کی پرستش کرتے ہیں
and
ہم ان کی عبادت نہیں کرتے مگر اس لیے
here مگر اس لیے
explains that why they worship them
So it is about worship please pay some attention please
so now go and read my question again in light of what i have said in this post
again you did not read what you have sent yourself
اور الله کے سوا اس چیز کی پرستش کرتے ہیں
and
ہم ان کی عبادت نہیں کرتے مگر اس لیے
here مگر اس لیے
explains that why they worship them
So it is about worship please pay some attention please
so now go and read my question again in light of what i have said in this post
Muhammad Tauseef A. Bajwa
Senator (1k+ posts)
What "Pakistan" had to do with it? "Ullu ke khoni Taweez" are there since British Rule in Sub-Continent. No denying "Black Magic" and its effects. Leave the"Professionals" aside. "Baba Jee" is only a symbolic character otherwise, I personally knew atleast a "Dozen' individuals who are followers of "Devil" and the Taweez given y them (Whether Muslims or Maseeh) had devastated effects. (Majority is non practicing Muslims)! Short cuts are always there but not without 'thorns'. What Allah (SWT) gives has, an attached blessing! It's upto us, which mode we choose or prefer to have worldly gains. Do not argue and better had an own experience without paying even a single Ruppee, Dollar or another currency! For details contact on [email protected] or send a PM.
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