Is Pakistan Nation of Fools? - "Ullu ke khoni Taweez"

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Pakistani1947

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وَإِنْ يَمْسَسْكَ اللَّهُ بِضُرٍّ فَلَا كَاشِفَ لَهُ إِلَّا هُوَ ۖ وَإِنْ يَمْسَسْكَ بِخَيْرٍ فَهُوَ عَلَىٰ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدِيرٌ [FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]{17**[/FONT]
[SIZE=-1]If Allah touch thee with affliction, there is none that can relieve therefrom save Him, and if He touch thee with good fortune (there is none that can impair it); for He is Able to do all things.

[/SIZE]وَإِنْ يَمْسَسْكَ اللَّهُ بِضُرٍّ فَلَا كَاشِفَ لَهُ إِلَّا هُوَ ۖ وَإِنْ يُرِدْكَ بِخَيْرٍ فَلَا رَادَّ لِفَضْلِهِ ۚ يُصِيبُ بِهِ مَنْ يَشَاءُ مِنْ عِبَادِهِ ۚ وَهُوَ الْغَفُورُ الرَّحِيمُ [FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]{107**[/FONT]
[SIZE=-1]If Allah afflicteth thee with some hurt, there is none who can remove it save Him; and if He desireth good for thee, there is none who can repel His bounty. He striketh with it whom He will of his bondmen. He is the Forgiving, the Merciful.[/SIZE]

قُلْ مَنْ ذَا الَّذِي يَعْصِمُكُمْ مِنَ اللَّهِ إِنْ أَرَادَ بِكُمْ سُوءًا أَوْ أَرَادَ بِكُمْ رَحْمَةً ۚ وَلَا يَجِدُونَ لَهُمْ مِنْ دُونِ اللَّهِ وَلِيًّا وَلَا نَصِيرًا [FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]{17**[/FONT]
[SIZE=-1]Say: Who is he who can preserve you from Allah if He intendeth harm for you, or intendeth mercy for you. They will not find that they have any friend or helper other than Allah.[/SIZE]

وَلَئِنْ سَأَلْتَهُمْ مَنْ خَلَقَ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ لَيَقُولُنَّ اللَّهُ ۚ قُلْ أَفَرَأَيْتُمْ مَا تَدْعُونَ مِنْ دُونِ اللَّهِ إِنْ أَرَادَنِيَ اللَّهُ بِضُرٍّ هَلْ هُنَّ كَاشِفَاتُ ضُرِّهِ أَوْ أَرَادَنِي بِرَحْمَةٍ هَلْ هُنَّ مُمْسِكَاتُ رَحْمَتِهِ ۚ قُلْ حَسْبِيَ اللَّهُ ۖ عَلَيْهِ يَتَوَكَّلُ الْمُتَوَكِّلُونَ [FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]{38**[/FONT]
[SIZE=-1]And verily, if thou shouldst ask them: Who created the heavens and the earth? they will say: Allah. Say: Bethink you then of those ye worship beside Allah, if Allah willed some hurt for me, could they remove from me His hurt; or if He willed some mercy for me, could they restrain His mercy? Say: Allah is my all. In Him do (all) the trusting put their trust.[/SIZE]

People still say that they "Believe" in Allah? Please read the arabic word "Maan". (Anyone whosoever he/she may be)?
People when will like to go to Tagut instead of Allah, then will face the consequences.
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Jizakallah for sharing the relevant verses of Quraan.

وَإِن يَمْسَسْكَ اللَّهُ بِضُرٍّ فَلَا كَاشِفَ لَهُ إِلَّا هُوَ ۖ وَإِن يَمْسَسْكَ بِخَيْرٍ فَهُوَ عَلَىٰ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدِيرٌ
Yusuf Ali 17: "If Allah touch thee with affliction, none can remove it but He; if He touch thee with happiness, He hath power over all things. (Qur'aan 6:17)
اور اگر الله تجھے کوئی تکلیف پہنچائے تواس کے سوا اور کوئی دور کرنے والا نہیں اور اگر تجھے کوئی بھلائی پہنچائے تو وہ ہر چیز پر قادر ہے

وَإِن يَمْسَسْكَ اللَّهُ بِضُرٍّ فَلَا كَاشِفَ لَهُ إِلَّا هُوَ ۖ وَإِن يُرِدْكَ بِخَيْرٍ فَلَا رَادَّ لِفَضْلِهِ ۚ يُصِيبُ بِهِ مَن يَشَاءُ مِنْ عِبَادِهِ ۚ وَهُوَ الْغَفُورُ الرَّحِيمُ
Yusuf Ali 107: If Allah do touch thee with hurt, there is none can remove it but He: if He do design some benefit for thee, there is none can keep back His favour: He causeth it to reach whomsoever of His servants He pleaseth. And He is the Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (Qur'aan 10:107)​
اوراگر الله تمہیں کوئی تکلیف پہنچائے تو اس کے سوا اسے ہٹانے والا کوئی نہیں اور اگر تمہیں کوئی بھلائی پہنچانا چاہے توکوئی اس کے فضل کو پھیرنے والا نہیں اپنے بندوں میں سے جسے چاہتا ہے اپنا فضل پہنچاتا ہے اور وہی بحشنے والا مہربان ہے

قُلْ مَن ذَا الَّذِي يَعْصِمُكُم مِّنَ اللَّهِ إِنْ أَرَادَ بِكُمْ سُوءًا أَوْ أَرَادَ بِكُمْ رَحْمَةً ۚ وَلَا يَجِدُونَ لَهُم مِّن دُونِ اللَّهِ وَلِيًّا وَلَا نَصِيرًا
Yusuf Ali 17: Say: "Who is it that can screen you from Allah if it be His wish to give you punishment or to give you Mercy?" Nor will they find for themselves, besides Allah, any protector or helper. (Qur'aan 33:17)​
کہہ دو کون ہے جو تمہیں الله سے بچا سکے اگر وہ تمہارے ساتھ برائی کرنا چاہے یا تم پر مہربانی کرنا چاہے اور الله کے سوا نہ کوئی اپنا حمایتی پائیں گے اور نہ کوئی مددگار

وَلَئِن سَأَلْتَهُم مَّنْ خَلَقَ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ لَيَقُولُنَّ اللَّهُ ۚ قُلْ أَفَرَأَيْتُم مَّا تَدْعُونَ مِن دُونِ اللَّهِ إِنْ أَرَادَنِيَ اللَّهُ بِضُرٍّ هَلْ هُنَّ كَاشِفَاتُ ضُرِّهِ أَوْ أَرَادَنِي بِرَحْمَةٍ هَلْ هُنَّ مُمْسِكَاتُ رَحْمَتِهِ ۚ قُلْ حَسْبِيَ اللَّهُ ۖ عَلَيْهِ يَتَوَكَّلُ الْمُتَوَكِّلُونَ
Yusuf Ali 38: If indeed thou ask them who it is that created the heavens and the earth, they would be sure to say, "(Allah)". Say: "See ye then? the things that ye invoke besides Allah,- can they, if Allah wills some Penalty for me, remove His Penalty?- Or if He wills some Grace for me, can they keep back his Grace?" Say: "Sufficient is Allah for me! In Him trust those who put their trust." (Qur'aan 39:38)​
او راگر آپ ان سے پوچھیں آسمانوں اور زمین کو کس نے پیدا کیا ہے تو وہ ضرور کہیں گے الله نے کہہ دو بھلا دیکھو تو سہی جنہیں تم الله کے سوا پکارتے ہو اگر الله مجھے تکلیف دینا چاہے تو کیا وہ اس کی تکلیف کو دور کر سکتے ہیں یا وہ مجھ پر مہربانی کرنا چاہے تو کیا وہ اس مہربانی کو روک سکتے ہیں کہہ دو مجھے الله کافی ہے توکل کرنے والے اسی پر توکل کیا کرتے ہیں

 

Veila Mast

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: Is Pakistan Nation of Fools?

Leaving Saudis aside for a while, who should put this reality in a beguiled mind that:
-- No one dies by the prayer of anyone. Allah(SWT) gave life span to every nafs and
it will die only on its appointed time.
Therefore the post is full of "immaturity and lack of any knowledge about
the law of nature.

To help understand dummies like me in simple English you proved that LAW OF NATURE PREVAILS LAW OF GOD.

Ommmmm!

Great Research Baba G!
 

Pakistani1947

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Is Pakistan Nation of Fools?

To help understand dummies like me in simple English you proved that LAW OF NATURE PREVAILS LAW OF GOD.

Ommmmm!

Great Research Baba G!

Dear Veila Mast,

With due respect, you are using the same old tactics of deviating the topic.

Why don't you condemn this idiot "Alhaajj Syed" stupid Peer so that people do not fall into his trap?



 

Pakistani1947

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Just think about it...........

Can this idiot Peer fool a Muslim who believes that:

1. There is nobody except Allah is "Mushkil Kusha" (problem solver).
2. All kind of Magic is Haram in Islam.
3. The buried saints in their graves are not capable of helping anybody.
4. Nobody has knowledge of Unseen except Allah.
5. No Peer can bless you with a child.
 
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such bolo

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
another incident by a peer.

BHAKKAR:
A pir was accused of raping a woman after drugging her and her daughters on Saturday.


In Notak Nasheb Sainghar, pir Javed Shah forced broke into Shehzadi Bibi’s house late at on Friday night and told her that her house was haunted by ‘evil’ djinns who were causing her daughters to fall sick.

He said that he had several djinns ‘under his control’ that could turn out the others if she agreed to do what he said. Shah gave Shehzadi and her daughters glasses of water that had been drugged and the family fell unconscious. Shehzadi, her nine-year-old daughter Shazia and seven-year-old daughter Shumaila fainted and when they woke up the next day Shah was gone.

Javed Shah repeatedly raped Shehzadi the entire night. When the family woke up the next day and went to the hospital doctors refused to treat her for fear of the djinns.

“The children came screaming to us for help and told us what happened. We took them to the hospital but people were fearful of attending to her when they heard about what had happened with the djinns,” said a neighbour, Rahat.

Shehzadi eventually received treatment at a clinic and has registered a case against Javed Shah with the police.

Police officials are searching for the accused who fled the district.
Published in The Express Tribune, April 10th, 2011
 

such bolo

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Is Pakistan Nation of Fools?

بسم اللہ الرحمٰن الرحیم

اسلام میں پیری مریدی کا کوئی تصور نہیں...نہ ہی یہ لفظ پیر یا مرید قرآن اور حدیث میں کبھی ان معنوں میں استعمال ہوا ہے جن معنوں میں ہمارے یہاں رائج ہیں

اسلام میں انبیاء، اولیاء، علماء، صحابہ، تابعین، محدثین، طلباء کی اصطلاحیں تو معروف ہیں اور ان تمام اصطلاحوں کا تعلق اتباع رسول صلی اللہ علیہ وسلّم کے ساتھ ساتھ علم، عمل اور دعوت دین سے ہے

پیر اور مرید یہ صوفیہ کی ایجاد کردہ اصطلاحیں ہیں جس کا اصل اسلام سے جو اللہ کے نبی صلی اللہ علیہ وسلّم لے کر آے سے کوئی تعلق نہیں

در حقیقت اپنے آپ کو پیر کہلانےکا مقصد منہ میاں مٹھو بننا ہوتا ہے، پیر اپنے مرید کو خود ہی کہتا ہے کے میں ایک پونھچی ہوئی چیز ہوں.... (جب کے یہ بات ہم سب جانتے ہیں کے صحابہ کرام، سچے اولیاء کرام اور علماء حق نے ریاکاری کے خوف سے خود اپنی تعریف کرنا تو دور کی بات کسی دوسرے شخص کے منہ سے بھی اپنے لئے تعریفی کلمات پسند نہیں کیے) اور یہ پیر بڑی ڈھٹائی سے یہ دعویٰ کرتے ہیں کہ میرے ہاتھ میں اختیارات ہیں میں غیب جانتا ہوں وغیرہ اور تمہاری بگڑی بنا سکتا ہوں دنیا اور آخرت کے اعتبار سے...اور دوسرا شخص جو کے مرید کہلاتا ہے اور دین کو اللہ کے نبی صلی اللہ علیہ وسلّم سے لینے کے بجائے پیروں سے لینا چاہتا ہے ان تمام چیزوں کے لالچ میں اپنے آپ کو پیر کے سپرد کردیتا ہے اور اب پیر جیسا تصرف چاہے مرید کی زندگی میں کرے...اعوذباللہ

اللہ ہمیں خالص قرآن اور سنت پر عمل کرنے کی توفیق عطا فرماے...اور ہمیں محمّد رسول اللہ صلی اللہ علیہ وسلّم کا سچا پیروکار بناۓ، اور ان پیروں فقیروں، عاملوں، جادوگروں، نجومیوں اور مال خور اور دنیا پرست علماء سے ہماری دنیا اور آخرت کو محفوظ رکھے......آمین

دین وہی ہے جو اللہ کے نبی صلی اللہ علیہ وسلّم پر نازل ہوا یعنی قرآن اور حدیث چاہے اس پر عمل کرنے والا پوری دنیا میں ایک شخص ہی کیوں نہ ہو ... اور جو چیز اللہ کے نبی صلے اللہ علیہ وسلّم کے دور میں دین نہیں تھی وہ قیامت تک دین نہیں ہوسکتی...چاہے اس پر عمل کرنے والوں کی تعداد اربوں میں ہو
 
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Abdul Allah

Minister (2k+ posts)
Just think about it...........

Can this idiot Peer fool a Muslim who believes that:

1. There is nobody except Allah is "Mushkil Kusha" (problem solver).
2. All kind of Magic is Haram in Islam.
3. The buried saints in their graves are not capable of helping anybody.
4. Nobody has knowledge of Unseen except Allah.
5. No Peer can bless you with a child.

You
babadeena
and others like you never answer my one question

So why should i waste time on you.
when you are not here to find truth but spread your confusion
bcz if you are here to spread truth then you must have answer my question.
 

Abdul Allah

Minister (2k+ posts)
Just think about it...........

Can this idiot Peer fool a Muslim who believes that:

1. There is nobody except Allah is "Mushkil Kusha" (problem solver).
2. All kind of Magic is Haram in Islam.
3. The buried saints in their graves are not capable of helping anybody.
4. Nobody has knowledge of Unseen except Allah.
5. No Peer can bless you with a child.


Have you read the Ad? of this Baba jee talking about second one

point out where he claim to be PEER?
 
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Abdul Allah

Minister (2k+ posts)
That is funny that for you
every Amil baba is PEER
and you dont even think for a while on it.
Example is your first add where you post a MASIH BABA JEE as peer
Dont you feel embarrass on your behavior
 

babadeena

Minister (2k+ posts)
You
babadeena
and others like you never answer my one question

So why should i waste time on you.
when you are not here to find truth but spread your confusion
bcz if you are here to spread truth then you must have answer my question.
where is your question?
 

Pakistani1947

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
That is funny that for you
every Amil baba is PEER
and you dont even think for a while on it.
Example is your first add where you post a MASIH BABA JEE as peer
Dont you feel embarrass on your behavior

Dear Abdullah Bahi,

There is no intention of targeting your Peer. Try to understand the thread. The thread start with a Question and the question is that "Is Pakistan a nation of fools?". Why someone is paying Rs. 100,000 to 200,000 to publish an ad in the Urdu newspaper with circulation in North America. Aren't the target readers Pakistanis residing in North America. Aren't the Pakistanis residing in North America are mostly educated. This Aamil/Baba/Peer must be earning million of Rupees from this region that is why he is spending money on these ads.

The question is why Pakistanis are easy prey (شکار
) for these Aamil/Baba/Peer? Correct me if I am wrong, it is due to wrong believes, "bad aiteqadi" (بد اعتقادی), of Pakistani Nation.

Had Pakistanis have the correct Islamic believes they would never fall into trap of these Aamil/Baba/Peer?
 
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samar

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Is Pakistan Nation of Fools?

Just think about it.......

Can this idiot Peer fool a Muslim who believes that:

1. There is nobody except Allah is "Mushkil Kusha" (problem solver).
2. All kind of Magic is Haram in Islam.
3. The buried saints in their graves are not capable of helping anybody.
4. Nobody has knowledge of Unseen except Allah.
5. No Peer can bless you with a child.

Your initial post was good but the sectarian hatred in your heart makes you speak lies.

Everyone knows these are aamils and jadu toona people.

And no Pir has done such evil practices.

Your aim from this post shows your evil face...........If you have guts then go ahead bring a single reference where a Pir has done such thing.

bring any such incident from
Datta sahab's life
bab farid's life
Sultan bahu's life
bhulley shah's life
.
.
.
.
any many more who are Pirs.

you are presenting coal and proving it to be diamonds.
Apney ander k bughz se niklo ore kisi Pir k savaney hayat prho phir baat kro.
 

samar

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Is Pakistan Nation of Fools?

you call this man Idiot PEER

and his is BARKAT MASEEH

So now your guess who is the real one

this person is total copy paste and propaganda machine sab ko kafir keh k wahabion ko sahih sabit krna iska mission he.
 

Pakistani1947

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Is Pakistan Nation of Fools?

Your initial post was good but the sectarian hatred in your heart makes you speak lies. Everyone knows these are aamils and jadu toona people.
And no Pir has done such evil practices. Your aim from this post shows your evil face...........If you have guts then go ahead bring a single reference where a Pir has done such thing.

bring any such incident from
Datta sahab's life
bab farid's life
Sultan bahu's life
bhulley shah's life

any many more who are Pirs. you are presenting coal and proving it to be diamonds. Apney ander k bughz se niklo ore kisi Pir k savaney hayat prho phir baat kro.

Nobody is accusing here saints like you mentioned above. What they did in their life they will be answerable to Allah. The problem is that asking help from dead saint instead of asking directly from Allah.


[FONT=&quot]9:31 They take their rabbis, priests and monks or ascetics to be their Lords* besides Allah. And they take as their Lord, the Messiah son of Mary. Yet they were commanded to worship but One God. There is no god but He. Praise and Glory to Him, He is far too Glorious for what they ascribe to Him. (*Talmud shows the Jewish superstition of ascribing divinity to Ezra, rabbis, saints, doctors of law and learned men. And the doctrine of Papal infallibility, divinity of saints and praying to them are common in the Roman Catholic Church). [/FONT]
انہوں نے اپنے عالموں اور درویشوں کو الله کے سوا خدا بنا لیا ہے اور مسیح مریم کے بیٹےکو بھی حالانکہ انہیں حکم یہی ہوا تھا کہ ایک الله کے سوا کسی کی عبادت نہ کریں اس کے سوا کوئی معبود نہیں وہ ان لوگوں کے شریک مقرر کرنے سے پاک ہے
 

Raaz

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
الو کے ہی ہوں گے نا
کوئی مولانا فضل کے خون کے تو نہیں ہیں نا
ویسے زرداری کے پاس بینظیر کے خون کا بھی تعویذ ہے
 

Raaz

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
:13:

بچے کی جان لیں گے کیا. آپ لندن والے کلوے ہیں کیا؟

(omg)
شرم نہیں آتی. بچوں کے پیچھے پڑے ہووے ہیں آپ

نہیں ، اسی کلوے کو ہی تو بھینسا بنا ہے
جیو جی ، وہ تو پہلے ہی بھینسا ہے ، کچھ اور بنواؤ
 

babadeena

Minister (2k+ posts)
Give damn of only two cents to such advertisement, these are all
rubbish, the emphasis should be on people's education, once that is
achieved, majority of sects problems solved and this abusive business
stopped.
 
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