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Bilal_Mushi

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WikiLeaks cables: India accused of systematic use of torture in Kashmir

Beatings and electric shocks inflicted on hundreds of civilians detained in Kashmir, US diplomats in Delhi told by ICRC
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Unrest in Kashmir, where a leaked cable said the Indian government 'condoned torture'. Photograph: Tauseef Mustafa/AFP/Getty Images

Jason Burke in Delhi
The Guardian, Thu 16 Dec 2010 21.30 GMT


US officials had evidence of widespread torture by Indian police and security forces and were secretly briefed by Red Cross staff about the systematic abuse of detainees in Kashmir, according to leaked diplomatic cables released tonight.
The dispatches, obtained by website WikiLeaks, reveal that US diplomats in Delhi were briefed in 2005 by the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) about the use of electrocution, beatings and sexual humiliation against hundreds of detainees.

Other cables show that as recently as 2007 American diplomats were concerned about widespread human rights abuses by Indian security forces, who they said relied on torture for confessions.

The revelations will be intensely embarrassing for Delhi, which takes pride in its status as the world's biggest democracy, and come at a time of heightened sensitivity in Kashmir after renewed protests and violence this year.
Other cables released tonight reveal that:

The Dalai Lama has told US officials that combating climate change is more urgent than finding a political solution in Tibet, which "can wait five to 10 years".

Rahul Gandhi, the crown prince of Indian politics, believes Hindu extremists pose a greater threat to his country than Muslim militants, according to the American ambassador to India.

Five doctors were coerced by the Sri Lankan government to recant on casualty figures they gave to journalists in the last months of island's brutal civil war.

The most highly charged dispatch is likely to be an April 2005 cable from the US embassy in Delhi which reports that the ICRC had become frustrated with the Indian government which, they said, had not acted to halt the "continued ill-treatment of detainees".

The embassy reported the ICRC concluded that India "condones torture" and that the torture victims were civilians as militants were routinely killed.
The ICRC has a long-standing policy of engaging directly with governments and avoiding the media, so the briefing remained secret.

An insurgency pitting separatist and Islamist militants many supported by Pakistan against security services raged in Kashmir throughout the 1990s and into the early years of this decade.

It claimed tens of thousands of lives, including large numbers of civilians who were targeted by both militants and security forces.

The ICRC staff told the US diplomats they had made 177 visits to detention centres in Jammu and Kashmir and elsewhere in India between 2002 and 2004, and had met 1,491 detainees. They had been able to interview 1,296 privately.
In 852 cases, the detainees reported ill-treatment, the ICRC said. A total of 171 described being beaten and 681 said they had been subjected to one or more of six forms of torture.

These included 498 on which electricity had been used, 381 who had been suspended from the ceiling, 294 who had muscles crushed in their legs by prison personnel sitting on a bar placed across their thighs, 181 whose legs had been stretched by being "split 180 degrees", 234 tortured with water and 302 "sexual" cases, the ICRC were reported to have told the Americans.

"Numbers add up to more than 681, as many detainees were subjected to more than one form of IT [ill-treatment]," the cable said.

The ICRC said all branches of the Indian security forces used these forms of ill-treatment and torture, adding: "The abuse always takes place in the presence of officers and ... detainees were rarely militants (they are routinely killed), but persons connected to or believed to have information about the insurgency".
The cable said the situation in Kashmir was "much better" as security forces no longer roused entire villages in the middle of the night and detained inhabitants indiscriminately, and there was "more openness from medical doctors and the police."

Ten years ago, the ICRC said there were some 300 detention centres, but there are now "a lot fewer". The organisation had never however gained access to the "Cargo Building", the most notorious detention centre, in Srinagar.

The abuse continued, they said, because "security forces need promotions," while for militants, "the insurgency has become a business".

In the same cable, American diplomats approvingly quoted media reports that India's army chief, Lieutenant-General Joginder Jaswant Singh, had "put human rights issues at the centre of an [recent] conference of army commanders".

The ICRC said a "bright spot" was that it had been able to conduct 300 sessions sensitising junior officers from the security forces to human rights.

The cables reveal a careful US policy of pressure in Kashmir, while maintaining a strictly neutral stance.

Two years after the cable on torture was sent, US diplomats in India argued strongly against granting a visa request from the government of India on behalf of a member of the Jammu and Kashmir state assembly who was invited to a conference organised by a think-tank in America.

Usman Abdul Majid, a cable marked secret said, "is a leader of the pro-GOI [government of India] Ikhwan-ul-Musilmeen paramilitary group, which ... is notorious for its use of torture, extra-judicial killing, rape, and extortion of Kashmiri civilians suspected of harbouring or facilitating terrorists."

The diplomats admitted that denying Majid's application might have some repercussions with Indian officials, "especially those from India's Intelligence Bureau who have been close to his case" but said it was essential to preserve a balanced approach to the Kashmir issue following the prior refusal of a visa to the leading separatist leader Syed Ali Shah Geelani.

The cable notes that officials are "unable to verify with evidence the claims against Majid".

US diplomats repeatedly refer to human rights abuses by security and law enforcement agencies within India. In a cable from February 2006, officials reported that "terrorism investigations and court cases tend to rely upon confessions, many of which are obtained under duress if not beatings, threats, or, in some cases, torture".

A year later a brief for the visiting acting coordinator for counter-terrorism, Frank Urbancic, described India's police and security forces as "overworked and hampered by bad ... practices, including the widespread use of torture in interrogations.".


http://m.guardian.co.uk/ms/p/gnm/op...cables-indian-torture-kashmir&cat=top-stories
 

atensari

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Rahul warned US of Hindu extremist threat:


Rahul warned US of Hindu extremist threat: WikiLeaks




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NEW DELHI: Rahul Gandhi, widely seen as an Indian prime minister-in-waiting, believes Hindu extremists might be a greater threat to his country than Muslim groups, a leaked US diplomatic cable showed Friday.

Gandhi, scion of India's Nehru-Gandhi political dynasty, told US Ambassador Timothy Roemer last year that there was "some support" among Indian Muslims for Lashkar-e-Taiba.

"However, Gandhi warned, the bigger threat may be the growth of radicalised Hindu groups, which create religious tensions and political confrontations with the Muslim community," said the cable released by website WikiLeaks.

The opposition Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) was quick to respond to the leaked comments, with spokesman Prakash Javdekar accusing Gandhi and his Congress party of bias.

"They don't know what India is and what the Hindu ethos stands for. To call Hindu groups more dangerous than Lashkar-e-Taiba is the product of a sick mind," Javdekar told AFP.

There was no immediate reaction from Gandhi or the Congress party to the leak.
 
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atensari

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Re: WikiLeaks cables: India accused of systematic use of torture in Kashmir

in other words State Terrorism - Oldest, biggest and more cruel from of Terrorism
 

Star Gazer

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Rahul warned US of Hindu extremist threat:



Rahul warned US of Hindu extremist threat: WikiLeaks




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NEW DELHI: Rahul Gandhi, widely seen as an Indian prime minister-in-waiting, believes Hindu extremists might be a greater threat to his country than Muslim groups, a leaked US diplomatic cable showed Friday.

Gandhi, scion of India's Nehru-Gandhi political dynasty, told US Ambassador Timothy Roemer last year that there was "some support" among Indian Muslims for Lashkar-e-Taiba.

"However, Gandhi warned, the bigger threat may be the growth of radicalised Hindu groups, which create religious tensions and political confrontations with the Muslim community," said the cable released by website WikiLeaks.

The opposition Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) was quick to respond to the leaked comments, with spokesman Prakash Javdekar accusing Gandhi and his Congress party of bias.

"They don't know what India is and what the Hindu ethos stands for. To call Hindu groups more dangerous than Lashkar-e-Taiba is the product of a sick mind," Javdekar told AFP.

There was no immediate reaction from Gandhi or the Congress party to the leak.


Sach to sach hai, aur sar charh kar bolta hai!
 

drkjke

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: WikiLeaks cables: India accused of systematic use of torture in Kashmir

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read above
and open your eyes
 

Night_Hawk

Siasat.pk - Blogger
Red Cross briefed US on torture in Kashmir: cables

Red Cross briefed US on torture in Kashmir: cables
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The ICRC noted that all the branches of the security forces used torture techniques and always in the presence of an officer. Photo by Reuters

NEW DELHI: The International Committee of the Red Cross provided US diplomats in 2005 with evidence of the systematic use of torture by Indian security forces in Kashmir, leaked US diplomatic cables revealed Friday.
In a confidential briefing, the ICRC told the diplomats of 177 visits it had made to detention centres in Indian-administered Kashmir that revealed stable trend lines of prisoner abuses, according to thecablesreleased by WikiLeaks.
Techniques included electric shock treatment, sexual and water torture and nearly 300 cases of roller abuse in which a round metal object is placed on the thighs of a sitting detainee and then sat on by guards to crush the muscles.
The ICRC said it had been forced to conclude that the (Indian government) condones torture, the cables said.
Human rights groups have repeatedly accused India of abuses in Muslim-majority Indian-administered Kashmir, where it has been fighting an armed separatist insurgency for more than 20 years.
The ICRC, which met with nearly 1,500 detainees, stressed that very few were militants. The vast majority were civilians connected to or believed to have information about the insurgency.
It also noted that all the branches of the security forces used torture techniques and always in the presence of an officer.
The cables concluded that the evidence of ill-treatment and torture was very disturbing.
Militant violence in Indian-administered Kashmir has eased since India and Pakistan launched a peace process in 2004 over the disputed Himalayan region.
But popular pro-independence protests since June have left more than 110 protesters and bystanders many of them teenagers and young boys dead.
India and Pakistan each hold part of Kashmir but claim it in full.
 

Night_Hawk

Siasat.pk - Blogger
Re: Red Cross briefed US on torture in Kashmir: cables

17 December 2010 Last updated at 10:43 ET
Wikileaks: India 'tortured' Kashmir prisoners

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The Wikileaks revelations come at a time of heightened tension in Kashmir
Wikileaks Revelations
The International Committee of the Red Cross sent evidence to US diplomats about widespread torture by Indian security forces in Kashmir, according to cables obtained by Wikileaks.
Visits to detention centres in the region in 2002-04 revealed cases of beatings, electric shocks, sexual abuse and other types of ill-treatment.
The organisation concluded that India condoned torture in the region.
There has been no comment from the US. The ICRC said it was investigating.
The chief minister of the state of Jammu and Kashmir, Omar Abdullah, told India's NDTV channel that the allegations related to a period before his government took power and that he did not condone torture.
SM Sohai, inspector general of police in Indian-administered Kashmir, said the reports were baseless "propaganda".
"I do not how the Red Cross could have accessed that information because, normally they would not have access to these kind of locations, so it's completely unfounded," he told the BBC.
"Torture doesn't happen... Where can it happen?"
Correspondents say the revelations will be embarrassing for Delhi, coming at a time of heightened sensitivity in Kashmir, which is divided between Indian and Pakistani control.
They were published by The Guardian newspaper in the UK, one of five publications - including the New York Times, France's Le Monde, El Pais in Spain and Germany's Der Spiegel - given access to the entire archive of the reports from US diplomats out in the field by Wikileaks.
Wikileaks website says it has obtained more than 250,000 cables passed between the US State Department and hundreds of American diplomatic outposts - but it has so far only published a small sample of those messages.
The site's founder, Julian Assange, was on Thursday freed on bail in London, where he is fighting extradition to Sweden over sex assault allegations made by two women. He denies any wrongdoing.
Electric shocks The torture allegations come at a time of heightened tensions in Kashmir, with massive public protests and numerous curfews in recent months.
The ICRC told diplomats they had made 177 visits to detention centres and met 1,491 detainees, a cable published in the UK Guardian newspaper said.
Ill-treatment was reported in 852 cases, the ICRC said.
A total of 171 said they were beaten and 681 subjected to one or more of six forms of torture:

  • Electric shocks
  • Suspension from ceiling
  • Crushing of leg muscles
  • Legs split 180 degrees
  • Water torture
  • Sexual abuse
Nonetheless the situation was "much better than it was in the 1990s", officials said.
There were no longer cases of security forces indiscriminately raiding villages and detaining their inhabitants, they added.
ICRC spokesman Alexis Heeb said the organisation was looking into the matter, but would not comment on the contents of the diplomatic correspondence as that was an internal communication between the US embassy in New Delhi and Washington.
The latest batch of documents to be released by Wikileaks is made up of diplomatic messages sent from US embassies around the world.
The website released 77,000 secret US files on the Afghan conflict in July, and 400,000 documents about the Iraq war in October.
Washington has strongly criticised Wikileaks for publishing classified diplomatic cables and military reports.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12014734
 
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Faiza

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Re: Red Cross briefed US on torture in Kashmir: cables

Every fight is for power, every issue is political.

one question for all of us, who is playing games to control world economy and who is planning to have one world government.
 
Re: Red Cross briefed US on torture in Kashmir: cables

Red Cross briefed US on torture in Kashmir: cables

SO what? US is not a party to the Kashmir dispute and has nothing to do with it. They might as well brief the Dalai Lama. Secondly, the US itself uses torture in Afghanistan so what purpose does it serve?
 

saudiking

Voter (50+ posts)
Unfortunately every country uses torture in one way or the other. The way this Rahul speaks looks like he is not going to be Indian PM any time soon. To call Hindu groups more dangerous than Lashkar-e-Taiba is the product of a sick mind.
 

Imranpak

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Without western backing these Hindu groups are fk all in reality!.A united Muslim army can easily give them another ass whooping and rule them for the next thousand years!

Historically they've been s4it scared of our diehard fighters in the FATA and tribal regions!
 

jimpack

Minister (2k+ posts)
Without western backing these Hindu groups are fk all in reality!.A united Muslim army can easily give them another ass whooping and rule them for the next thousand years!

Historically they've been s4it scared of our diehard fighters in the FATA and tribal regions!

Stop dreaming and if you can do something about drone attacks in your country, do something. don't sit on a side and bark.
 

moazzamniaz

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Red Cross briefed US on torture in Kashmir: cables

Every fight is for power, every issue is political.

one question for all of us, who is playing games to control world economy and who is planning to have one world government….

آپکی بات تو صحیح ہے. لیکن مسلمانوں کو کیا کسی نے روک رکھا ہے کہ وہ دنیا اور اسکی معیشیت پر کنٹرول نہ کر سکیں؟؟؟؟؟؟ ہم دنیا کو کنٹرول کریں اور پھر نہ تو خود سے زیادتی ہونے دیں اور نہ ہی کسی دوسرے سے کریں. آخر اسلام آیا بھی تو اسی لئے ہی تھا؟؟؟

جواب: ہم خود،کیونکہ ہم مسلمانوں کو اور بہت سے اہم کام ہیں

نوٹ:انڈیا جتنی شرم کر سکے، اتنی کم ہے
 

Faiza

Moderator
Re: Red Cross briefed US on torture in Kashmir: cables

آپکی بات تو صحیح ہے. لیکن مسلمانوں کو کیا کسی نے روک رکھا ہے کہ وہ دنیا اور اسکی معیشیت پر کنٹرول نہ کر سکیں؟؟؟؟؟؟ ہم دنیا کو کنٹرول کریں اور پھر نہ تو خود سے زیادتی ہونے دیں اور نہ ہی کسی دوسرے سے کریں. آخر اسلام آیا بھی تو اسی لئے ہی تھا؟؟؟

جواب: ہم خود،کیونکہ ہم مسلمانوں کو اور بہت سے اہم کام ہیں

نوٹ:انڈیا جتنی شرم کر سکے، اتنی کم ہے


You are right brother, we are so busy in doing nothing, we dont have time for any constructive work.

It is a game of power.

One person can be powerful with money, intelligence, or physical strength

But when we talk about nations then with the combination of money, intelligence, physical strength, we also need unity, planning, patience, and goals.

European has one currency euro America is planning with Canada and Mexico to have one currency, called Amero .they are getting more unite and we are divided into many groups, countries, and sects how we will compete them when we are so divided our money, intelligence, and strength are not working together to achieve anything.

There are many Muslim who are genius, hard working, sincere but the problem is they are even working for the companies, and organizations, which benefits Jew or American

How we can rule the world until our leaders, stop praising and stop following those who want to have one world government

I dont see India as a big problem if we learn to unite with each other, and stop doing politics in the mater of Kashmir, this problem can be resolve the problem of Kashmir was purposely created so we continue fight and our big enemy benefits from it