Haroon Ur Rasheed on Diff Between Sufi and Mullaha(Good Read)
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Zafar Malik
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
bahut khoob magar har aik ki samajh mein nahein aa sakta khas tar per libral ke palle tu pad hi nahein sakta .
Bhai jaan, iss mein liberals kahan say aa gai??? Aap kay khayaal mein HR nay jin mullaoon ka tazkira kiya hai yeah mazmoon unki samajh mein aa gaya hoga?
Zara tahammul say kaam lain aur daikhain kay kaun loog kiya izhaar-e-khayaal kartay hain is mazmoon per.
HR Sb is a genius and write the column in its best form .I have lots of respect for this gentleman and we have lots of good and friendly feelings for each other since we both were supporting IK and now both are gone separate ways on IK. I usually learn a lot from Mr.HR and have good feelings for him all the time.Wish him all the best .
Samy sahab, IK wo jins-e-nayaab nahin ke jis ki wajah se kisi ahle-e-ilm ko let down kia jaye. Hum bhi aik waqt mein isi kaptaan ke sehr mein mubtala thay lekin Khuda ka shukr hai ke ye kaptaan khud hee expose ho gya werna hum pakistani to abadi devta bananai ke maahir hain...
ZenoInTheZoo
Minister (2k+ posts)
@Samy99
I would like to think that having command over language and knack for writing style has nothing to do with being a genius. If we go by this yardstick, then every person who has a way with word is a genius?
@loser24x7
Only if u could be a little more explicit with who this 'ahl-e-ilm' is??
smilingfaces
MPA (400+ posts)
سیف! انداز بیان بات بدل دیتا ہے
ورنہ دنیا میں کوئی بات نئی بات نہیں
ورنہ دنیا میں کوئی بات نئی بات نہیں
crankthskunk
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Those who are reading too much in to this article should wise up. It is the same old Rasheed is famous for. Endless nonsense and projecting what he thinks is the most important knowledge or knowledgeable people.
Let me decipher it, the article starts with "Pocha, kia abadat aur tasbihat se adami badal jata hai" "Farmia". Now here one should replace the questionnaire with Rasheed and the respondent as the "Arif" siting in "Gujjar Khan", district Rawalpindi.
All BS of Rasheed starts and ends at his "Mecca" based in "Gujjar Khan". If people didn't get his drift from the start they should wise up.
In the middle of the article Rasheed had made it clear, "Arif? G nahi Arif aik aur adami hota hai"."Wo Allah ke Noor se deekhta hai""Iqbal ne aus ka adrak kia tha magar ause pa na sake".
You see, here is the wisdom. In how many articles Rasheed has called the baba "Gujar Khan" as Arif? Now the definition of Arif is given by Rasheed. "The one that see through the Noor of Allah SWT". This is the nonsense of highest order. If you guys still think this is piece of excellence writing than think again. It is the same old nonsense Rasheed had been writing for years and years.
No one should be misled from Rasheed's mention of the past, it is nothing but a cloak, he made it clear which Arif he is referring to, by writing, "Mumtaz Mufti ne Arif se kaha".
In other words, according to Rasheed, Mumtaz Mufti, Ashfaq Ahmed, Qudratullah Shahab, even Allama Iqbal was nothing in front of "Baba" from "Gujjar Khan".
The same baba, who's recommended people were not given the tickets in recent elections by IK. For which Rasheed could never forgive IK.
What kind of "Arif" is this? He is not interested in this world because he sees the bigger picture from the heavens (Nauzobillah) according to Haroon, but strangely this "Arif" is also interested that his favourite people should get the tickets in the elections. If they did not this Arif is not very pleased. Proven from numerous articles written by Rasheed on behalf of Arif.
Here I have deciphered the whole article for those who were thinking it is some kind of superior knowledge. Those who place humans in place of "Allah SWT", to justify them seeing the world from Heavens are nothing but lost souls, in their minds and deeds.
Let me decipher it, the article starts with "Pocha, kia abadat aur tasbihat se adami badal jata hai" "Farmia". Now here one should replace the questionnaire with Rasheed and the respondent as the "Arif" siting in "Gujjar Khan", district Rawalpindi.
All BS of Rasheed starts and ends at his "Mecca" based in "Gujjar Khan". If people didn't get his drift from the start they should wise up.
In the middle of the article Rasheed had made it clear, "Arif? G nahi Arif aik aur adami hota hai"."Wo Allah ke Noor se deekhta hai""Iqbal ne aus ka adrak kia tha magar ause pa na sake".
You see, here is the wisdom. In how many articles Rasheed has called the baba "Gujar Khan" as Arif? Now the definition of Arif is given by Rasheed. "The one that see through the Noor of Allah SWT". This is the nonsense of highest order. If you guys still think this is piece of excellence writing than think again. It is the same old nonsense Rasheed had been writing for years and years.
No one should be misled from Rasheed's mention of the past, it is nothing but a cloak, he made it clear which Arif he is referring to, by writing, "Mumtaz Mufti ne Arif se kaha".
In other words, according to Rasheed, Mumtaz Mufti, Ashfaq Ahmed, Qudratullah Shahab, even Allama Iqbal was nothing in front of "Baba" from "Gujjar Khan".
The same baba, who's recommended people were not given the tickets in recent elections by IK. For which Rasheed could never forgive IK.
What kind of "Arif" is this? He is not interested in this world because he sees the bigger picture from the heavens (Nauzobillah) according to Haroon, but strangely this "Arif" is also interested that his favourite people should get the tickets in the elections. If they did not this Arif is not very pleased. Proven from numerous articles written by Rasheed on behalf of Arif.
Here I have deciphered the whole article for those who were thinking it is some kind of superior knowledge. Those who place humans in place of "Allah SWT", to justify them seeing the world from Heavens are nothing but lost souls, in their minds and deeds.
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Joker
Minister (2k+ posts)
What is the problem with you with Arif of Gujjar Khan ? He is a nice guy, although a bit schizophrenic and narcissist whatever but I love him :)
crankthskunk
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I have no problem with him. Don't know him, don't care about him.
I have problem with HR who tries to prove to the wide world "the man of Gujjar Khan is end of every known thing in the universe". That is something really really dangerous. Like I have pointed out, "the Arif seeing through the heaven". For heaven's sake, let human being human, don't elevate them to god.
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Joker
Minister (2k+ posts)
Arif once said that inferiority complex is the general trait in people of sub-continent. Making thousands of Gods is normal for them. Same is true for the people who made IK GOD ....... Bhagwaan IK the infallible , the omniscient , the omnipotent , the messiah , the only liberator blah blah blah etc etc etc (blah) (blah) (blah) (blah)
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Haroon G.
Sahab kehna aap ko acha nahi laagta..Ye apke paroos wale mulk ma b to yahi harkatein hotein hain, kabi market ma damaaka, kabi school mae.
N vo jo jenhain aap Mera Bai, mera rafiq kehte lekte nahi taakte..Hikmatyaar unho na b to sari zindaagi yahi kaam kia..pher ye Doghla pan keon.
N en Deobandio se sab se pehle Quaid Azam n pakistan ka Flag lehraya taa..
Aap to kehtain hain India r Pakistan k Tauloqaat America r Canada jese hoon ge..To pher ye Taqsim keoon karna paaree..
Mehaz Alfaaz ke saat kelna Insaan ko Naik r Sacha Nahi banaata..
Sahab kehna aap ko acha nahi laagta..Ye apke paroos wale mulk ma b to yahi harkatein hotein hain, kabi market ma damaaka, kabi school mae.
N vo jo jenhain aap Mera Bai, mera rafiq kehte lekte nahi taakte..Hikmatyaar unho na b to sari zindaagi yahi kaam kia..pher ye Doghla pan keon.
N en Deobandio se sab se pehle Quaid Azam n pakistan ka Flag lehraya taa..
Aap to kehtain hain India r Pakistan k Tauloqaat America r Canada jese hoon ge..To pher ye Taqsim keoon karna paaree..
Mehaz Alfaaz ke saat kelna Insaan ko Naik r Sacha Nahi banaata..
Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Verily, the most honourable of you with Allaah is that (believer) who has At‑Taqwa [i.e. he is one of the Muttaqoon (the pious)]”
[al-Hujuraat 49:13]
“And for all, there will be degrees according to that which they did, that He (Allaah) may recompense them in full for their deeds. And they will not be wronged”
[al-Ahqaaf 46:19]
Hence the essence of Islamic sharee’ah is based on cancelling out the mediation of bandits who come between the people and Allaah in the name of “mediation” or “intercession”. Islam attributes this attitude to the mushrikeen whom fought the message of Tawheed, of whom Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And they worship besides Allaah things that harm them not, nor profit them, and they say: ‘These are our intercessors with Allaah.’ Say: ‘Do you inform Allaah of that which He knows not in the heavens and on the earth?’ Glorified and Exalted is He above all that which they associate as partners (with Him)!”
[Yoonus 10:18]
There is no precise difference between the titles of imam, ‘aalim and Shaykh
The Quran does not in any way allow the establishment of priesthood / Shaykh-Hood:
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“Verily, the most honourable of you with Allaah is that (believer) who has At‑Taqwa [i.e. he is one of the Muttaqoon (the pious)]”
[al-Hujuraat 49:13]
“And for all, there will be degrees according to that which they did, that He (Allaah) may recompense them in full for their deeds. And they will not be wronged”
[al-Ahqaaf 46:19]
Hence the essence of Islamic sharee’ah is based on cancelling out the mediation of bandits who come between the people and Allaah in the name of “mediation” or “intercession”. Islam attributes this attitude to the mushrikeen whom fought the message of Tawheed, of whom Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And they worship besides Allaah things that harm them not, nor profit them, and they say: ‘These are our intercessors with Allaah.’ Say: ‘Do you inform Allaah of that which He knows not in the heavens and on the earth?’ Glorified and Exalted is He above all that which they associate as partners (with Him)!”
[Yoonus 10:18]
There is no precise difference between the titles of imam, ‘aalim and Shaykh
The Quran does not in any way allow the establishment of priesthood / Shaykh-Hood:
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sufism is against islam.thats why we pakistani and indian muslims are laughing stock in arab.they rightly say that despite conversion to islam subcontinent muslims never let go of their relation with idol worshipping and human and animal worshipping.
if you go deep into sufi aqeeda and beliefs and you have even an iota of islam or iman in your heart than you will at once realise that sufism is opposite to islam.the base of sufism is that humans etc can have as much power to change fate and destiny as our creator.which is false.\
and sufis have fallen so low that nawaiwaqts number one columnist ajmal niazi (a sufi) recently wrote that his saint baba named "yahya" told him that the female pakistani dancer naheed siddiqui is the greatest sufi as her dance portrays the real colors and depth of sufism!
now who among us who believes in islam can fall for this crap that naheed siddiqui the dancer is great muslim because she is graet sufi due to her great dance moves?
what depth we have fallen! it disgusts me!whats the difference between us and hindus now?just a line dividing us?by heart and aqeeda whats different between us anymore?
they worship idols and animals,our majority worships graves humans and some animals as well
if you go deep into sufi aqeeda and beliefs and you have even an iota of islam or iman in your heart than you will at once realise that sufism is opposite to islam.the base of sufism is that humans etc can have as much power to change fate and destiny as our creator.which is false.\
and sufis have fallen so low that nawaiwaqts number one columnist ajmal niazi (a sufi) recently wrote that his saint baba named "yahya" told him that the female pakistani dancer naheed siddiqui is the greatest sufi as her dance portrays the real colors and depth of sufism!
now who among us who believes in islam can fall for this crap that naheed siddiqui the dancer is great muslim because she is graet sufi due to her great dance moves?
what depth we have fallen! it disgusts me!whats the difference between us and hindus now?just a line dividing us?by heart and aqeeda whats different between us anymore?
they worship idols and animals,our majority worships graves humans and some animals as well
also someone forwadrded me the latest column of shiri haroon ul rasheed vajpaee.
http://dunya.com.pk/index.php/author/haroon-ur-rahid/2014-04-01/6582/85605041#.Uzr94rnNu1s
in this column haroon ul rasheed again bashes taliban which is no surprise because haroon ul rasheed seems to imply that taliban are khariji while sufis and rafdis etc are the real muslims.
in the above column he first insults munawar hasan (who dared to say that pak army men who die fighting for zionists are not shahheed)...than this munafiq boot polishing baba (generals boot polisher) haroon ul rasheed dares to give "naseehat " to mullah omar and taliban...why would mullah omar like mujahid listen to a boot kisser of zionists slaves ?why would a mujahid listen to a mushrik aqeeda sufi like haroon rasheed?these mujahideen only act on real islam that was given to our prophet ( s a w ) 1400 years ago.these mujahideen have not invented bidaa and shirk inside islam like harroon rasheed like mental hindu slaves.
than haroon rasheed (the champion liar claims) that he saw dream that hazrat omar took the flag of islam back from mullah omar (haroon rasheed,s aqeeda perhaps says that as taliban did not obey drinking and fornicating generals of army so islams flag was taken away from them!!!!helluluja!)
than in above column shiri haroon rasheed thakray claims that reason for pakistans all problems at present is the MMA (muttahida majlis e amal) rule in kpk in musharaf era...this claim is so funny that some people are now really asking questions about haroon rasheeds mental health.....his hatred for mullahs and islamic parties is understandable but who will believe his claim that a party that ruled for 5 years in one of smallest provinces of pakistan (kpk)is responsible for all the present problems of pakistan...notice one thing...this mushrik aqeeda sufi haroon rasheed never criticises musharaf or ppp etc now anymore.may be his next station is in ppp like party?
http://dunya.com.pk/index.php/author/haroon-ur-rahid/2014-04-01/6582/85605041#.Uzr94rnNu1s
in this column haroon ul rasheed again bashes taliban which is no surprise because haroon ul rasheed seems to imply that taliban are khariji while sufis and rafdis etc are the real muslims.
in the above column he first insults munawar hasan (who dared to say that pak army men who die fighting for zionists are not shahheed)...than this munafiq boot polishing baba (generals boot polisher) haroon ul rasheed dares to give "naseehat " to mullah omar and taliban...why would mullah omar like mujahid listen to a boot kisser of zionists slaves ?why would a mujahid listen to a mushrik aqeeda sufi like haroon rasheed?these mujahideen only act on real islam that was given to our prophet ( s a w ) 1400 years ago.these mujahideen have not invented bidaa and shirk inside islam like harroon rasheed like mental hindu slaves.
than haroon rasheed (the champion liar claims) that he saw dream that hazrat omar took the flag of islam back from mullah omar (haroon rasheed,s aqeeda perhaps says that as taliban did not obey drinking and fornicating generals of army so islams flag was taken away from them!!!!helluluja!)
than in above column shiri haroon rasheed thakray claims that reason for pakistans all problems at present is the MMA (muttahida majlis e amal) rule in kpk in musharaf era...this claim is so funny that some people are now really asking questions about haroon rasheeds mental health.....his hatred for mullahs and islamic parties is understandable but who will believe his claim that a party that ruled for 5 years in one of smallest provinces of pakistan (kpk)is responsible for all the present problems of pakistan...notice one thing...this mushrik aqeeda sufi haroon rasheed never criticises musharaf or ppp etc now anymore.may be his next station is in ppp like party?
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Noman Hijazi
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Senator (1k+ posts)
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Sufism Has Nothing To Do With Islam..
Almost All of The Sufism Is Khabasat...
These Sufis/Rafizis/Shrine Worshippers/Hadith Rejectors/Grave Worshippers Have Now Joined Hands Against Islam...
Whatever Wrong Things Are There in TTP,
But TTP Did One Very Good Thing That When Taliban Captured Swat, They Banned All Garve-Worshipping There..
They Banned The Grave-Worshipping Sufis..
They Also Probably Demolished Some Tombs In Swat...
This is The Order Of Nabipbuh...
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Sufism Has Nothing To Do With Islam..
Almost All of The Sufism Is Khabasat...
These Sufis/Rafizis/Shrine Worshippers/Hadith Rejectors/Grave Worshippers Have Now Joined Hands Against Islam...
Whatever Wrong Things Are There in TTP,
But TTP Did One Very Good Thing That When Taliban Captured Swat, They Banned All Garve-Worshipping There..
They Banned The Grave-Worshipping Sufis..
They Also Probably Demolished Some Tombs In Swat...
This is The Order Of Nabipbuh...
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Arif sahib became too political - that's not his place. Southern Punjab is a good example of what happens when Aarifeen take part in political process (bigsmile) I'm quite content with a Pakka capitalist like Mian sahib.
