'FLOTILLA' ISRAEL attacks aid ship headed for Palestine - [Update: Israel rejects UN multinational i

wahmed

Councller (250+ posts)
Asallam-o-allaicoum,
Please put a side the pakistani nation as well as egyptions the rest is Puppet brown ( of Gorras chumchas ) in the government , who are brutal, rackless,
selfish ,egoist ,immoral and inhumain ( not specialized in any back ground) to enjoy the high life on the costs of their country men. So Allahs curse ( Lannat ) goes to them.

Please do watch what Mr. Zaid Hamid says ???

My ignorant friend, pleaes tell me who give votes to the so called "brutal, rackless, selfish ,egoist ,immoral and inhumain" Governments. for example, why did people of Muzaffargarh gave vote to Jamshed Dasti when everyone knew that he had lied about his degree, it was well known that he is extremely corrput and a big supporter of Zardari. People knew and they still voted, probably for few petty benefits.

The problem lies with the people of Pakistan not the Govt. If people of Thailand can put up an amzing stand against their govt, people of Kirghistan can trow away a corrput govt why cant we? why can't we take on the streets today in favor of Chief Justice (when he needs Pakistani people's support, the most) but no one will.... why? because by and large we are a Begharat qaum (except few good onces off course).


Jiss Qaum ka leader "Zardari" ho uss tou waisey hee doob marna chaiyay.
 
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Afsr

MPA (400+ posts)
Pakistanis handed over to Jordan

[FONT=&quot]Pakistanis handed over to Jordan[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]By Sumera Khan [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]June 02, 2010[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]ISLAMABAD: Three Pakistani nationals, including The Express Tribune columnist Talat Hussain, producer Raza Mahmood Agha and an NGO representative, were handed over to the Jordanian Embassy in Israel on Tuesday, more than a day after they were detained by Israeli authorities that stormed the freedom flotilla they were travelling on.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]On Monday, Israeli authorities in international waters stormed a six-ship convoy carrying aid supplies that was intending to break Israels blockade of Gaza, killing several people.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Pakistani authorities had desperately tried to contact Hussain, Agha, and their colleague after the raid, but could not establish a direct contact with them.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Interior Minister Rehman Malik had said the government had used all channels, including US officials and Interpol, to try and get information about the well-being and whereabouts of the Pakistanis detained in Israel.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]On Tuesday night the interior minister announced that all three Pakistanis would return home on Wednesday. According to a Foreign Office official and US embassy officials, Israel did not allow US consular access to the detained Pakistanis as this was technically not possible according to diplomatic rules. However, Israel provided the US with information about the held Pakistanis along with information about the US citizens that were also detained.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Israeli authorities told the US State Department that the Pakistani nationals were being held at the Ella detention facility in the city of Beersheeba in southern Israel, along with other activists. Officials added that preparations are underway for the Pakistanis to be handed over to Jordan at the Israel-Jordon border. Staff at the Pakistani embassy in Jordan will receive them along with the Pakistani ambassador to Jordan Mohammad Akhtar.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]According to officials, they will spend the night in Jordan. After this arrangements will be made for them to fly to Pakistan. Officials say 127 deportees, including the three Pakistanis, will be royal guests at the Shah palace in Oman.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Speaking to Express 24/7, Talat Hussains brother, analyst Dr Riffat Hussain, said he was completely satisfied with the way the government was handling the situation.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]We have no complaints with the way the government dealt with this, Dr Hussain said. The government has been constantly in touch with us, we have received calls from the President, the Prime Minister, from the Foreign Minister and Interior Minister. They have kept us informed of government efforts and expressed their solidarity and support. Of the legality of launching an independent probe into the raid, Dr Hussain said that countries whose citizens had been killed or injured were well within their rights to undertake investigations into the matter or call for an independent probe.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Published in the Express Tribune, June 2nd, 2010.[/FONT]


http://tribune.com.pk/story/18106/pakistanis-handed-over-to-jordan/#
 

gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Contra you are worst,

A act that whole world is condemning you are here to justify it, they are human right activists not terrorist who are attacked by the Israeli terrorist and hey were going to Palestine who the hell is

Israel to stop them.

When Christian/Jews take over the world, disaster follows. Its only us Muslims who bring prosperity, justice, and peace. History proves. Destruction, tyranny and terror is just not in our DNA. And how can ishq-e-rasul and terror reside together in our DNA.

Even now, after all we Muslims have suffered, we wouldn't massacre non-Muslims if we were to invade and take over India, US, UK, Israel. We just don't do that.
 

digitalzygot

Senator (1k+ posts)
@NP and Contra

ISRAEL hand us all the equipment and we will hand them over to Palestinians that are suffering for the past few decades (HMM DOES THAT SOUND RIGHT), if they had to do that why didn't they do it themself, why threaten flotilla for days and just GO AND KILL INNOCENT EMPTY HANDED CIVILIANS, everything happens for a reason may be world might realise now what's actually going on there. I was watching few Israel youtube posting with people/army/defence people saying their soilders were attacked what ????NOW SERIOUSLY THEY AREN'T ASHMAED TO LIE AYE, THEY HAVE GONE TO SUCH A LOW that proves what lies they have been feeding to world for decades.

SHAME ON ISRAEL AND IT'S SUPPORTERS AKA NEPALI PUNDIT AND CONTRA
 

Adeel

Founder
Just heard Talat on aaj tv. He is fine and has a lot of exclusive footage. He should be arriving in Pakistan soon.
 

YAHYA87

Senator (1k+ posts)
Talking about Egypt then as we know about Egypt and their trouble makers like Islamic brotherhood whom Usma was once part of and Aiman Al Zawahiri was also part of so in order to keep that mindset away from Egypt they have close down Gaza border because Hamas tend to support those kind of movements which could lead Egypt towards those fundamentalist and this is another reason why Egypt never tried to help Gaza because Egypt, Israel and other Arab countries believe that pressure on Gaza people would turn them against Hamas(just like what happened to Egypt after last Arab Israel war) so they dont gave way to even aid to pass through...I know their role is controversial but Hamas is also not good for Arab world as most of Arab world are turning towards their respective culture and liberal as we can see strict Bedouin culture(often confused with Islamic culture) which was their around even before Islam ever came to Arab in Saudia Arabia and whole of Arabian peninsula and towards north Arab States like Syria, Jordan and Lebanon their own culture of pre-Islamic Arab culture their as well and in Egypt and whole of North Africa we see their own North African Arab culture are promoting(like belly dancing etc.) so for that reason now a days Arabs are strict on Islamic code but at the same time also very much support their cultural values as well which keep the Arab world divided like today and any such kind of struggle like Hamas are not appreciated by Arab leaders and many people who are patriotic to their country while on the other hand we have another party called Al Fatah and Al Fatah is just have Palestinian agenda and they have no agenda of islam or Unity and because of having that Arab leaders support them the most...
This trend of cultural influence in Arab world is not a new phenomenon as this is their around since Ottoman empire(Saltanat-e-Usmania) dissolved...and it was not dissolved because Turkey was interested in their culture but it was dissolved because Arab world backed British over Ottomans(read British Mandate) and it was forefathers of same Palestinians people who are suffering today whom supported British Mandate just because of their culture now their generations are suffering for that...This is a soul reason why Turkish people always hated Arabs since WW1 and loved Pakistan since its creation(Khilafat movement) but today things have coming together(Thanks to Tayyab Ordigan who has reputation of being close to Islam) but still Turkish people dont want anything against their secularism....Still things are not in Muslims's favor because even if Turkey may give so much threats to Israel but its also truth that his policies of having good relations with neighbors are causing little anger in their military as we know that our military need something to keep their guns warm just like in Pakistan we have problems with India and our Army always tried to develop hatred against India and vice versa so that they could keep receiving funds from Govt. for preparations Same thing is their in Turkey so even if turkey has any agenda against Israel their Army wont be that much interested in all that because like Pakistan Turkish army is also full of US and Israeli weapons and trained like them as well so you cant expect them to attack their own supplier just for Arabs whom most Turkish people still hate...So dont think just tall words of Ordagan is enough for attack but yes making relations with Iran and Pakistan could give some leverage to them both Iran and Pakistan also have good defense infrastructure and have capability to produce modern weapons by working together(Luke Head Martin is manufacturing F16s in Turkey, Iranian revolutionary guards are using those weapons which they manufactured themselves and Pakistan have World's third largest Military Assembling plant and also producing many weapons with China and Ukraine) so this could filled the gap of weapons supply to Turkey but it would take time(some sources says that Pakistan is involve in developing Turkish new generation Tank which is part of Pakistan's development of AlKhalid 2)...So lets hope for future that Turkey and Arabs could sort out their differences and come to one platform If Palestine is reason...
 

Bret Hawk

Senator (1k+ posts)
@ Yahya87

First of all you need to brush up some facts which you have distorted in your post where you subtly implied the justification of economic blockade from the Zionist terrorists. Secondly Hamas is a democratically elected party from the resounding majority of Gaza strip’s populace and you have no right to criticise their legitimate political and administrative rule in that tiny tract of Palestinian land. Your scathing remarks against Hamas and the role of other resistant forces against the barbaric aggressors of Israelis makes some sense as you’re also the supporter of that terrorist mafia of Pakistan which has plagued and infested its biggest commercial capital for over two and half decades now. So the supporters of fascist murderers are indeed nonetheless from the same ilk and tribe and in your case at least you have shown your guts and honesty for not misleading the viewers of this forum like many other hypocrites and deceptive skunks.


Secondly you’re not the first genius to pinpoint the apparent contradistinction between the principles of Islam with the regional cultures of the Arabs. Faith and culture runs like a parallel streams and rarely they come to intersect each others separate paths. That’s also true to some extent that Islam do urge its followers to forsake only those of there traditional cultural values which are against the spirit of its monotheistic and moralistic teachings and henceforth apart from the necessary changes in some of the cultural norms and dressing codes you rarely spot any other infringement of Islam on any of the cultural values. Lastly from where you get this belief that Turkish people have primarily liberal disposition and don’t have much inclination towards Islam? Maybe again you’re misjudging the role of their military establishment which indeed has this tendency to keep their state set on liberal and secular footings. Mind you that in last two general elections the vast majority of Turkey has elected that party which has its leanings for Islam.


P.S: I think that your totalitarian and ruthless mindset doesn’t allow you to accept the mandate of those people who have their rights of franchise and freedom of to make some decisions in electing their representative for the legislative assemblies. Because you and your own fascist and terrorist mafia group believe in non democratic principles of coercion, extortion, duress, violence and other threatening tactics to gain the support of that tiny region (Urban Sindh) which is under your fiefdom since mid 1980’s under the auspices of the rotten Pakistani military establishment.
 
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YAHYA87

Senator (1k+ posts)

@ Yahya87

First of all you need to brush up some facts which you have distorted in your post which subtly implied the justification of economic blockade from the Zionist terrorists. Secondly Hamas is a democratically elected party from the resounding majority of Gaza strip’s populace and you have no right to criticise their legitimate political and administrative rule there in that tiny tract of Palestinian land. Your scathing remarks against Hamas and the role of other resistant forces against the barbaric aggressors of Israelis makes some sense as you’re also the supporter of that terrorist mafia of Pakistan which has plagues and infested its biggest commercial capital for over two and half decades now. So the supporters of fascist murderers are indeed nonetheless from the same ilk and tribe and in your case at least you have shown your guts and honesty for not misleading the viewers of this forum like many other hypocrites and deceptive skunks.


Secondly you’re not the first genius to pinpoint the apparent contradistinction between the principles of Islam with the regional cultures of the Arabs. Faith and culture runs like a parallel streams and rarely they come to intersect each others separate paths. That’s also true to some extent that Islam do urge its followers to forsake only those of there traditional cultural values which are against the spirit of its monotheistic and moralistic teachings and henceforth apart from the necessary changes in some of the cultural norms and dressing codes you rarely spot any other infringement of Islam on any of the cultural values. Lastly from where you get this belief that Turkish people have primarily liberal disposition and don’t have much inclination towards Islam? Maybe again you’re misjudging the role of their military establishment which indeed has this tendency to keep their state set on liberal and secular footings. Mind you that in last two general elections the vast majority of Turkey has elected that party which has its leanings for Islam.


P.S: I think that your totalitarian and ruthless mindset doesn’t allow you to accept the mandate of those people who have their rights of franchise and freedom of to make some decisions in electing their representative for the legislative assemblies. Because you and your own fascist and terrorist mafia group believe in non democratic principles of coercion, extortion, duress, violence and other threatening tactics to gain the support of that tiny region (Urban Sindh) which is under your fiefdom since mid 1980’s under the auspices of the rotten Pakistani military establishment.


I dont deny hamas been democratically elected force but here I am talking about mindset of ARAB AS A WHOLE NOT JUST GAZA....So PUT IT THAT WAY and the whole Arab world are now getting more interested in Arab culture instead of Islam that is why their leaders try to resist every single Ideology that could lead to Unity like Hamas ideology, Muslim brotherhood and other Islamic organizations in Arab world because they want to keep Arabs towards ARABIAN CULTURE INSTEAD OF ISLAM BECAUSE THEY COULD LOSS THEIR HOLD DUE TO THAT...Arab World leaders are just trying to keep Muslims divided and dont want them to Unite as UNITY WILL BRING THEM DOWN TO THEIR KNEES AND THEIR KINGDOMS WILL BE DESTROYED...This whole thing has NOTHING TO DO WITH SUPPORTING ISRAEL OR ME BEING AGAINST HAMAS...Its just what I have observed as lived 4 years in Dubai also and just came two years ago and met many Egyptian, Jordanians and especially Lebanese due to interest in online games and got few Online friends from Turkey as well and based on their opinion towards each other I came to know all about that....

Yes I agree with you that faith and culture runs parallel but when culture started becoming faith its become a problem just like Wahabism and if you know the history of Wahabism you will acknowledge that it was time of same WW1 when Ottoman Empire was destroyed and Wahabism got huge influence and today's Saudi Govt. is known to be based on Whabism...If you know about Wahabism they talk about Arabian peninsula lifestyle is the only/best way in Islam because Islam started from Arab peninsula and Islam can be only followed through Arabian ways...Do you know about Burqa??It was already their in Arab world before the arrival of Islam but it was adopted in Islam because it serves the purpose of modesty but it doesnt made Burqa as Islamic dress or Islamic cloth for women as in Afghanistan another type of Burqa is used which is different from Arabian so Islam never teach us to go away from culture but it dont even teach us to follow other's culture as well....Islam just teach us to follow the guidelines of Muhammad(SAW) and Allah through Quran and Hadees in our daily lives but stuff like Wahabism and other such things have created confusions in following Islam as Wahabism is very close to Bedouin culture which was followed in Arab world even before Islam came...So understand the difference between MAKING CULTURE A GUIDELINE OF ISLAM AND UNDERSTANDING AND FOLLOWING GUIDELINES OF ISLAM....Talking about Turkish people then Turkish people are more inclined towards their culture and they are practicing Muslims but they never support any ideas of making their faith as law of land just to let you know that even in current Govt. of Turkey their was a huge protest having hundreds of thousands in favor of secularism 2 years ago within current Govt. as Turkish people were little worried about Tayyab Ordgan's background(as he had made many statement in favor of islamic values) and their president Abdullah Gull(His wife is known for wearing Hijab on her face) so this is not just Military establishment if that was the case then their would have been some kind of revolution already might hit Turkey in between WW1 till today so their is still Public opinion in favor of Secularism there...


What have I said so far that is against Palestinian or any thing which was in favor of Israel???I know what have you got in your mind but first try to understand the exact tone as I am talking about General opinion of Arabs and their Leaders and if you think I am wrong then why dont you point me the right thing because you dont want to accept anything I said and neither you got anything to correct me from so better dont give your verdict here because neither you have provided anything which could be substantial enough to correct me nor you have given any pointed out where I am wrong as just look at the role of Egypt do you think as a Muslim country allows them to have such a role and do you think any other country in Arabs have even given any statements yet???The WHOLE ARAB WORLD(LEADERS) IS TRYING TO GET RID OF HAMAS BECAUSE THEY CANT AFFORD UNITY BASED IDEOLOGY AND ISLAMIST MINDSET TO CROSS INTO ARAB WORLD YOU YOU KNOW WHY...THAT IS WHY THEY ARE TRYING TO KEEP GAZA BLOCKED FROM ALL SIDES SO THAT PEOPLE WOULD STARVE TILL THEY STOP SUPPORTING HAMAS...That is what I tried to explain...
 

biomat

Minister (2k+ posts)
124 Gaza aid flotilla activists arrive in Jordan

By DALE GAVLAK, Associated Press Writer Dale Gavlak, Associated Press Writer 2 hrs 22 mins ago
ALLENBY BRIDGE, Jordan Dozens of pro-Palestinian activists detained in the Israeli raid on the Gaza aid flotilla said upon arriving in Jordan Wednesday that they were roughed up and humiliated before Israel deported them.
The 124 activists from 12 Muslim nations most of them without diplomatic ties with Israel crossed the Allenby Bridge aboard five Jordanian buses. The bridge across the Jordan River, which is under Israeli control, links Jordan with the West Bank.
"The Israelis roughed up and humiliated all of us women, men and children," said Kuwaiti lawmaker Walid al-Tabtabai, who was on board one of the ships with other activists from Muslim countries.
"They were brutal and arrogant, but our message reached every corner of the world that the blockade on Gaza is unfair and should be lifted immediately," he added.
The bearded lawmaker said there "was not a single weapon with the passengers aboard all the ships."
Algerian Izzeddine Zahrour said Israeli authorities "deprived us of food, water and sleep and we weren't allowed to use the toilet."
"It was an ugly kidnapping and subsequently bad treatment in Israeli jail," he said. "They handcuffed us, pushed us around and humiliated us."
Mauritanian Mohammed Gholam said Israel "wanted us to sign documents saying that we entered Israel illegally."
"We refused to sign anything and told our captors that we didn't wish to go to Israel, but to Gaza and that their commandos kidnapped us from international waters," he added.
An Algerian activist, who only gave her first name as Sabrina, accused Israeli commandos of taking a 1-year-old child "hostage."
"They point a gun to his head in front of his Turkish parents to force the captain of our ship to stop sailing," she said.
Jordanian government spokesman Nabil Al-Sharif said there were 30 Jordanians in the group. Jordan is one of two Arab nations with a signed peace treaty with Israel.
The bridge's Jordanian chief, Brig. Mahmoud Abu Jumaa, said Jordan will help repatriate the activists who also include journalists to their respective countries in coordination with their governments.
Kuwaiti ambassador Sheik Faisal Al Sabah said there were 16 Kuwaitis aboard the buses. "They will be flown home aboard a Kuwaiti government-chartered plane later Wednesday," Al Sabah said.
He said the other activists came from Azerbaijan, Indonesia, Malaysia, Pakistan, Algeria, Morocco, Mauritania, Yemen, Oman and Bahrain.
Dozens of other activists remain in Israeli detention, but most are expected to be deported in the coming days.
Worldwide condemnation has poured on Israel since its naval commandos halted the aid flotilla in international waters overnight Monday, setting off a melee that left nine activists dead and dozens wounded. Turkey, an unofficial backer of the flotilla, has led the criticism, accusing Israel of committing a "massacre," and the U.N. Security Council demanded an impartial investigation.

____ Associated Press Writer Jamal Halaby in Amman, Jordan, contributed to this report.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100602/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_mideast_flotilla_activists
 

MANNO

Councller (250+ posts)
Turkish Navy to Escort More Ships to Gaza

In a late-breaking development, Turkey has announced that they will send more ships to aid Gaza, and that this time they'll be accompanied by the Turkish Navy. This is a provocative and dangerous move, and one that is sure to raise tensions in the region.
 

YAHYA87

Senator (1k+ posts)
Turkish Navy to Escort More Ships to Gaza

In a late-breaking development, Turkey has announced that they will send more ships to aid Gaza, and that this time they'll be accompanied by the Turkish Navy. This is a provocative and dangerous move, and one that is sure to raise tensions in the region.

Appreciate their decsion but they should also understand the consequences of it as Israel is also weapons supplier to Turkey as well so Turkish Army which is very proactive and strong in the region would have to search alternative markets for that as well...lets hope that this move could wake up Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia who are direct party to this whole story...
 

rizwan1003

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
because he is true mujahid yaara, and true mujahid dont wanna go there they just want to sit with the beautiful and sleeveless shirts model:) by the way nice question hope true mujahid's follower can give the answer, (clap)

I am sure he would have kicked some Isreali ass if he would have been there.
 

Spartacus

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Demonstration in Brussels against the Israel actions on aid ships

Demonstration ( 02.06.2010) in Brussels against the Israel actions on aid ships

 

rauf shah

Voter (50+ posts)
because he is true mujahid yaara, and true mujahid dont wanna go there they just want to sit with the beautiful and sleeveless shirts model:) by the way nice question hope true mujahid's follower can give the answer, (clap)
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imemyself89

MPA (400+ posts)
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