According to Historians, Ertugrul wasnt even a Muslim. His decadents later accepted Islam for political reasons. Its not going to make much of a difference though because reality is a word that doesn't exist for most Pakistanis.
Oh yeah, same like indigenous people of America were cruel and uncivilized and europian invaders were peaceful & civilized.
This is so stupid. The dynasty's seeds were sown by Ertughrul and if he was not a Muslim, historical record must have shown the conversion of his lineage sometime later. X-Muslim - what can you expect from these creatures of the dark who were so cursed as to leave the religion of light and truth!
According to Historians, Osman was the first Muslim in that lineage.
Oh was he? So how did he come to accept Islam. Just saying something does not make it to be true !
You keep peddling lies. No historian can prove Ertugrul was not a Muslim. Ethnic Turks first embraced Islam when they met the expanding Arab empire in modern day Iran (and slightly to the north and east). This was where the Turks had settled, and the Arabs were conquering in the late seventh, and eight centuries A.D.Ertugrul live in 13th century and by then many Turkic people had accepted Islam.According to Historians, Ertugrul wasnt even a Muslim. His decadents later accepted Islam for political reasons. Its not going to make much of a difference though because reality is a word that doesn't exist for most Pakistanis.
There is a book on it called "The History of the Ottoman Empire" by Caroline Finkel. If you are interested in that history, that book would be a good starting point.
I'm interested in too many things to be interested in history now and who cares. You just told me that Osman was definitely a Muslim (The story of him becoming a Muslim must have been recorded as founder of an empire?). Lets say its true that Ertughrul was not a Muslim; than what? He still is a hero as his lineage brought the Muslim civilisation on the forefront of the world stage. Nothing for a Lanati X-Muslim to be jumping about. BTW even if you are non-muslim or an X muslims who left Islam for whatever reason and are sincere and truthful to yourself, cannot discard and disapprove of the whole Muslim civilisation. That is where the crookedness of the heart lies.
You keep peddling lies. No historian can prove Ertugrul was not a Muslim. Ethnic Turks first embraced Islam when they met the expanding Arab empire in modern day Iran (and slightly to the north and east). This was where the Turks had settled, and the Arabs were conquering in the late seventh, and eight centuries A.D.Ertugrul live in 13th century and by then many Turkic people had accepted Islam.
My questions is why is your backside on fire?.Get a a creaming if your backside is itching.
If your son does something, it doesnt make you a hero, it makes your son a hero. And if you do something bad it doesnt make your son a villain, it just makes you a villain.
Ertgurul could have been a hero or villian himself in real life but we cant say it because there is no mention of him in historical books (which means he wasnt important enough to be mentioned). Based on history of those tribes historians say he was most likely a pagan.
He laid the seeds of a Muslim empire. For me its enough to make him a hero and this is when I am taking your intrepretation of history. There is a much higher probability of him being a muslim just by the logic I gave you earlier and I am not even going into actual reading of the history.