Dunya Today - October 28, 2009 (Hillary Clinton)

Waffen SS

Banned
Thankyou Mr. Lion

You have proved me right. Any one who disagrees with the Punjabi mindset is not a Pakistani. Then you expect the muhajirs, pathans and balochis to love you.

Good going. Keep on labelling others as traitors or even indians. After all, you have been given the divine right to issue the CERTIFICATES OF PATRIOTISM to other Pakistanis living in provinces other than Punjab.

Next time, you will label me a NON-MUSLIM. You are welcome to do that. I dont need your approval to be declared a muslim or a Pakistani.
 

masadi1980

MPA (400+ posts)
Waffen SS said:
Thankyou Mr. Lion

You have proved me right. Any one who disagrees with the Punjabi mindset is not a Pakistani. Then you expect the muhajirs, pathans and balochis to love you.

Good going. Keep on labelling others as traitors or even indians. After all, you have been given the divine right to issue the CERTIFICATES OF PATRIOTISM to other Pakistanis living in provinces other than Punjab.

Next time, you will label me a NON-MUSLIM. You are welcome to do that. I dont need your approval to be declared a muslim or a Pakistani.


You simpley F... off and go to your country, a person who feels shame being Pakistani, is not Pakistani ......
by the way.....
how much u sacrified for Pakistan .........
how much you spent for Pakistan ......
even then you are taking breathe in the Holy air of Pakistan??? Dont you feel shame ........ by saying even a single word against Pakistan .......
My friend if you spend your whole life serving the Pakistan, even then you cant pay for a single breathe. "tum aik saans ka badla b nahi chuka saktay ho" Hope you got my point.
.......... Ask those mothers, who sacrified their sons for Pakistan and they feel proud .......

Pakistan Zindabad
 
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arshad_lahore

Guest
[awaztv:m0zz2xzt]http://66.147.244.150/~gibralte/vdos/BP/BP20091030.flv[/awaztv:m0zz2xzt]
 

sher_khan

Senator (1k+ posts)
desicad said:
contra said:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Talat Hussein ki bolti band ho gayi!!!

You don't have to believe us...We don't have to give you the money... :twisted: :lol:
Spot on contra, that was a masterstroke from Hillary.


Firstly, take the wax out of your ears. May be you guys have been listening to indian media too long, which always uses "manufactured" facts in its stories. If there are no manufactured facts in what you indians are listening to then your hearing ability "creates" convenient audio bytes that you prefer to hear. Or may be, as I have stated earlier, no one in the show had a ridiculously pathetic indian accent, perhaps that is why you couldn't understand the spirit of the interaction and didn't hear the audio properly.

Hillary did not say you don't have to believe "us". Instead she said, you don't have to believe "it". Meaning Kerry-lugar bill. The word US would have been a diplomatic failure for her. Also she already had stated that the US had made mistakes in the past and in the current times. The current mistake is the communication of the kerry-lugar bill. Wording is a problem, as already mentioned and accepted by the US ambassador in Pakistan. Hence Talat Hussain was right to address the issue and was not being over-negative and aggressive. He was raising the point with which even the US diplomats agreed. By doing so Talat Hussain (via Clinton's debatable response) has furthered his argument that US does not care. He raised this issue on his subsequent show in supporting his argument. He simply has reinforced the sentiment of the majority of the people in pakistan regarding the kerry-lugar bill. The response was not a diplomatic success for Hillary.

Furthermore, Talat Hussain is probably the shrewdest journalist and anchor with in south asia. A very distant second is Karan Thapar. In general Pakistan has better anchors than India. Bharka Dutt and other Indian anchors hardly let their guests speak and always cut-off the people who don't agree with them. Unlike Pakistani anchors.
For this particular interview, Talat was not allowed to make a response to Hillary's comments because there were other anchors to take turns. Otherwise Talat would have grilled her. As evident from his very last question when hillary was finding excuses for not having a strategy for Afghanistan. Talat Hussain has simply reported the factual trust deficit b/w pakistan and USA. The main reason behind the deficit among other things is hat USA in lots of occasions has not kept its words.

Also, the spirit of the interview was to create a bridge of communication and sell USA. Not to shut up anyone. Although Hilary did a great job in building a bridge but USA will be a hard sell in Pakistan. It will be only possible if USA backs its words with actions. Talk is cheap.

Lastly, Pakistan media does not beat around the bush unlike the indian media. Does not create superficial admiration. Pakistani media is upfront with Hillary's effort. They have admired her effort but at the same time recognize the fact that there is a lot work that needs to be done. This is very unlike indian media which tells the clintons that there is something about india that alwasy draws them to the country and then they answer yes. Being ceremonial is great but unfortunately, I am not aware of any personal visits made by the clintons to india. It always had to be business.

Do you really want to know what Hillary thinks of India and Indians? Enjoy the following clip (If you indians don't mind, I'll create a separate thread for the rest of the forum, so that they know how high the US diplomats' opnion is re India and Indians):

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo9LP0ATVJc[/video]
 
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abbasiali

Guest
arshad_lahore said:
WOW

I don't know how I over look this such an extra ordinary programme, its just because I was wasting my time with some rubbish issues, I regret to my self.

One thing is very clear that this show must have been arrange on the instruction of US administration, who are more interested to penetrate in common Pakistani opinion, otherwise this current Pakistani Government could not even think to bring Hillary Clinton in front of these main stream jounalists,

Its really good attempt from US to explain their point of perspective, which is very clear take or leave it, they should be more precise in this regard, specially in terms of Pakistani Governments double role, what they talk in front of Pakistanis and how they behave to US officials.

It was a great selection of anchors, they were very clear to the point and respectful, Ms Clinton must have got a very clear impression of independent and neutral Media, whom our beloved Government is trying to bring under their law of rule.

In my opinion, Dr Shahid Masood would have had been invited in this show as well, apart from his betrayal towards us by shaking hand with Musharaf, I personally recognize his talent and appreciate his researchable shows, which are more impressive, and are sensible, he would have had asked some more sensible questions and allegations and clarifications to Ms Clinton.

We do appreciate US concern for Pakistan, but they should really understand, every problem's solution is lying only with Pakistanis, so first they have to move out from this region and let Pakistan sort out and deliver the required result. and this would be more logical for every one.
 

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