Does Circumcision Makes a Muslim?

[FORCE]

 

[Wake up Pak]

Circumcision is not compulsory at all. It is a fabricated hadith that these morons follow without using any logic or rationality.
Nowhere in the Quran is there even the slightest hint about it. Allah made humans in the perfect form.
These dumbass ignorants think that you can not be a Muslim unless you are circumcised.

 

[Wake up Pak]

95:4 We have certainly created the human being in the best of stature.

 

[Wake up Pak]

observer-x What is your knowledge on this topic?

 

[BlackBirdSSG]

It's absurd that your dick has to become muslim first ... before you.

 

[taban]

قرآن پہلے والی کتابوں کی تصدیق کرنے والی کتاب ہےاگر کوئی حکم پہلےسے موجود ہے اور یہودیوں نے یا عیسائییوں نے اسے اپنی منشاء کے مطابق نہیں بدلا تو تو اسے اسلام میں جوں کا توں رہنے دیا گیا ہے جیسے کہ بہت سی سزائیں یہودیوں کے ہاں بھی وہی ہیں جیسی اسلام میں ختنہ بھی ایسا ہی حکم ہے اس کے علاوہ اسلام ایک پاکیزہ طیب دین ہے اور اللہ پاکیزگی کو پسند کرتا ہے اور پاکیزہ رہنے کا حکم دیتا ہے اگر انسان کا ختنہ نہ ہوا ہو تو پیشاب کی صورت میں کچھ قطرے رہ جانے کا اندیشہ ہوتا ہے جس کی وجہ سے استنجا اور وضو کرنا نامملنات سے ہے اس لئے بچپن مین ہی بچے کے ختنہ کا اہتمام کیا جاتا ہے ہے اس کے علاوہ بہت سال پہلے نیویارک میں ایک دیسی ٹی وی پروگرام ویک اینڈ پر آتا تھا جس میں ایک یو رالوجسٹ سے لوگ اپنے مسائل پوچھتے تھے تو ایک دفع اس ڈاکٹر نے بتایا تھا کہ اسکے پاس بہت سے لوگ آتے تھے جن کو جینیٹل کینسر ہو چکا ہوتا تھا اور پھر ان کا جینیٹیلیا کاٹنا پڑتا تھا کینسر کی وجہ اس نے یہ بتائی کہ چونکہ انکا ختنہ نہیں ہوا ہوتا اور پیشاب کے اندر رہ جاتا ہے جو بعد میں کینسر کی وجہ بنتا ہے بہر حال یہ پاکیزگی اور طہارت کا بہتریں ذریعہ ہے رہی مسلمانی تو پتہ نہیں کیوں ہر ملا اور نان ملا کی مسلمانی ٹانگوں کے درمیان سے ہی شروع ہوتی ہے اور وہیں ختم ہوتی ہے پہلے عورت کی ٹانگیں ہوتی تھیں اب مردانہ ٹانگوں کا زمانہ ہے

 

[Wake up Pak]

Ibn al-Qayyim said:

Khitan is a noun describing the action of the circumciser (khatin). It is also used to describe the site of the circumcision, as in the hadith, “When the two circumcised parts (al-khitanan) meet, ghusl becomes obligatory.” In the case of a female the word used is khafad. In the male it is also called i’dhar. The one who is uncircumcised is called aghlaf or aqlaf. (Tuhfat al-Mawlud, 1/152)

History of circumcision​

Circumcision is the Sunnah of Prophet Ibrahim and the prophets after him.

Al-Bukhari (6298) and Muslim (2370) narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “Ibrahim (peace be upon him) circumcised himself when he was eighty years old, and he circumcised himself with an adze.”

An adze (qadum) is a carpenter’s tool; it was also said that al-Qadum is a place in Syria.

Al-Hafiz ibn Hajar said:

Isn't all this absurd?
It is most likely that what is referred to in the hadith is the tool. Abu Ya’la narrated that ‘Ali ibn Rabah said: “Ibrahim was commanded to circumcise himself, so he circumcised himself with an adze, and it was very painful for him. Then Allah revealed to him saying, “You rushed to do it before We told you what tool to use.” He said, “O Lord, I did not want to delay obeying Your command.”

Ibn al-Qayyim said:

“Circumcision was one of the things with which Allah tested Ibrahim, His Close Friend. He did them perfectly, so Allah made him a leader of mankind. It was narrated that he was the first one who be circumcised, as mentioned above. What it says in al-Sahih is that Ibrahim circumcised himself when he was eighty years old. After him, circumcision continued among the messengers and their followers, even the Messiah. He was circumcised and the Christians affirm that, and do not deny that, as they also affirm that he was forbidden the flesh of pigs…” (Tuhfat al-Mawdud, p. 158-159)

 

[Wake up Pak]

Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymin (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

“The most correct view is that it is obligatory in the case of men and Sunnah in the case of women. The difference between them is that in the case of men, it serves an interest which has to do with one of the conditions of prayer, namely purity (taharah), because if the foreskin remains, when the urine comes out of the urethra, some of it will collect there, and this causes burning and infection every time the person moves, and every time the foreskin is squeezed, some drops of urine come out, thus causing najasah (impurity).

WTF?
In the case of women, it serves a useful purpose, which is to reduce desire. This is seeking perfection, not removing something harmful.” (Al-Sharh al-Mumti’, 1/133-134)

 

[Wake up Pak]

Female circumcision: Why?​

With regard to the wisdom behind the circumcision of women , it is to regulate their desire so it will be moderate.

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allah have mercy on him) was asked about whether women should be circumcised or not. He replied:

Yes, they should be circumcised, i.e., the top of the piece of skin that looks like a rooster’s comb should be cut. The Messenger of Allah said to the woman who did circumcisions: “Leave something sticking out and do not go to extremes in cutting. That makes her face look brighter and is more pleasing to her husband.” That is because the purpose of circumcising a man is to make him clean from the impurity that may collect beneath the foreskin. But the purpose of circumcising women is to regulate their desire, because if a woman is not circumcised her desire will be strong. Hence the words “O son of an uncircumcised woman” are used as an insult, because the uncircumcised woman has stronger desire. Hence immoral actions are more common among the women of the Tatars and the Franks, that are not found among the Muslim women. If the circumcision is too severe, the desire is weakened altogether, which is unpleasing for men; but if it is cut without going to extremes in that, the purpose will be achieved, which is moderating desire. And Allah knows best.

Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 21/114

 

[Citizen X]

Problem is man is never satisfied with what the Quran has to say, because if man followed the Quran then the entire clergy and it's hierarchy would collapse, ruining so many peoples business. So they came up "external sources" and what would be the use if they said the exact same thing as the Quran, it would be pointless to have two sources saying the same things. That's why they had to go a step further to "explain the Quran"

Here is Hafiz Atif talking on this subject how this subject of circumcision came about. Just watch the related 5 mins

Prophet Ibrahim was asked to complete the "Kalimat" Allah had asked him to do and when he did Allah made him the Imam of Mankind. Now hadith goes on to explain what those Kalimat that he did for which Allah declared him the imam of mankind.

Now think to yourself if we were to believe hadith how are those kalimat supposed to have anything for the Prophet Ibrahim to be blessed with such a high stature? These are things today billions of muslims are doing.

 

[Citizen X]

Female circumcision: Why?​

With regard to the wisdom behind the circumcision of women , it is to regulate their desire so it will be moderate.

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allah have mercy on him) was asked about whether women should be circumcised or not. He replied:

Yes, they should be circumcised, i.e., the top of the piece of skin that looks like a rooster’s comb should be cut. The Messenger of Allah said to the woman who did circumcisions: “Leave something sticking out and do not go to extremes in cutting. That makes her face look brighter and is more pleasing to her husband.” That is because the purpose of circumcising a man is to make him clean from the impurity that may collect beneath the foreskin. But the purpose of circumcising women is to regulate their desire, because if a woman is not circumcised her desire will be strong. Hence the words “O son of an uncircumcised woman” are used as an insult, because the uncircumcised woman has stronger desire. Hence immoral actions are more common among the women of the Tatars and the Franks, that are not found among the Muslim women. If the circumcision is too severe, the desire is weakened altogether, which is unpleasing for men; but if it is cut without going to extremes in that, the purpose will be achieved, which is moderating desire. And Allah knows best.

Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 21/114

Wah wah wah kya baat hai. First the scholars and clergy seeing their ruin due to the clear instructions of revealed Quran started to cobble together narrations and introduced all sorts of khurafat ( my new favourite word ) then every scholar of his time kept adding further khurafat.

Look at this, it is nothing but an "opinion" based on nothing but falsehood. This is what Islam has been reduced to, fatawas - opinions of fulan fulan sheikh who based his fatwa on fulan fulan hadith. Quran is totally out of the picture in todays Islam.