DAR UL ALOOM INDIAS FATWA

[keamari12]

 

[Murshad Jee]

Well Done Keemari Bhai

Now I'll see how these MQM workers gonna defend themselves and their PEER Mr. Anaconda......... [altaf]

 

[pukapakistani]

+NOW IT IS CLEAR THAT ALTAF BHAI IS NOT MUSLIM.WHAT U SAY MR MQM NOW.

 

[shaheedchoudry]

keamari12,
YOU ARE THE BEST. YOU DIG DEEP TO BRING MQM TO ITS KNEES

 

[keamari12]

CHAUDRY BRO ITS NOT ABOUT MQM ITS FOR MY PK BROTHERS TO CHOOSE THE RIGHT AND DNT DEFEND SOMEBODY WHO IS DOING KUFUR AND THINK ABOUT THE DAY THE DAY WHICH IS NOT VERY FAR HOW WOULD THEY PEOPLE FACE MOHAMMAD E MUSTAFA REHMAT UL AMBEA (PEACE BE UPON HIM)THAT DAY FOR SUPPORTING ANY MUNAFIQ DAJJAL KAZZAB

 

[bhitai]

Agar aaj 10-15 Qadyani musalmaan ho jaain toe sub say pehlay yehi 'ulema' uchal uchal kay apnay jalson mein unki numaaish karaain gai. Now how do you bring someone back to the right path after he has gone astray? By threatening him with extinction? By humiliating ad cursing him? usko gadhe pay bitha kay moonh kala kar kay? Is that how we are supposed to convince those who have left our community? Tell you what, TRY IT ! it will only make them hate you more!

Qadyaniat spread in india because muslims were dirt-poor and illiterate. If we KEEP our people in the same condition, others will pray upon them. If it's not ahmadis, it will be Christians. So its our own weaknesses that damage our communities. And we love to blame others for our failures!

 

[waseem563]

mujhe to pehly hi se MQM pe Shaak tha ke Ye party kuch na kuch Gul khela rahe hai.. Lakin Ab mujhe 100% yaqeen hogaya hai MQM ka KHUDA(altaf Hussain) yahood , honod or nasara ka agent or maloooon hai..

meri Allah se dua hai ke hum pakistanio or musalamano ko is Dajjal se mahfooz rakhe.. AMEEN SUMA AMEEN

 

[Tanweer.Amjad]

Thanks for posting this useful info. I didn't know some of them especially the ones from their book. But be ready for a Fatwa against these Ulema very soon from MQM supporters. After all, at any cost, they have to prove that AH is doing the right thing.

 

[shaheedchoudry]

NOT A SINGLE MQM SUPPORTER IN HERE?????????
MAY BE THEY HAVE DONE TOBA???????????

 

[such bolo]

Agar aaj 10-15 Qadyani musalmaan ho jaain toe sub say pehlay yehi 'ulema' uchal uchal kay apnay jalson mein unki numaaish karaain gai. Now how do you bring someone back to the right path after he has gone astray? By threatening him with extinction? By humiliating ad cursing him? usko gadhe pay bitha kay moonh kala kar kay? Is that how we are supposed to convince those who have left our community? Tell you what, TRY IT ! it will only make them hate you more!

Qadyaniat spread in india because muslims were dirt-poor and illiterate. If we KEEP our people in the same condition, others will pray upon them. If it's not ahmadis, it will be Christians. So its our own weaknesses that damage our communities. And we love to blame others for our failures!

Bismillah ir Rahman ir Raheem,

Bhitai you are nonsense..... it is the best of dawah to let someone know that he is going to be in hell if he does not accept the truth....and the same way has been adopted by Allah Subhanwutaallah in Quran... just read quran almost on every page you will find warnings for Kuffar that if they do not follow Allah and his Messenger (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) they will be in hell fire forever....

The same way almost we follow in our daily life.... if a child does not take interest in his studies what does his parents tell him??? They say you are not a good boy... you will be failed... you will not become BARA AADMI....others will be in good position but you will be in misery... etc etc....


My friend... that is what we are doing with Ahmedis... straight forward dawah.....that 'You (Qadyanis) are not Muslim".

This is the best way of dawah.. of course this should be conveyed in the best possible/ hikmat se bharpor way... but we will have to tell them that for us you are zindeeq and kafir.... so that they could be more curious to know that why are they being called NON MUSLIM?? Of course if someone is Qadyani by birth and if he will be worried for his akhirah he will investigate for sure and if someone want to become a Qadyani (Allah forbidden) he will think for 1000 times as he would know that if I accept Qadyanism then I will become non muslim in the eyes of Muslim.....

Social boycott is one of the tool to let someone know about his mistake...for Qadyanis Social boycott should be must and for other non muslims we should not make general friendship with them...so that other muslims could be aware of the gravity of the matter and those muslims are not attracted in any case by non muslim/qadyanis.....it is the best way to stop general public to be attracted by Qadyanis...For someone it might be against FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION OR FREEDOM TO LIVE...but if you are a muslim then you will have to be sure that it is a great responsibility on us to protect our brothers and sister from becoming the fuel of hell fire and we should opt for every tool to protect them.

 

[MIAN3000]

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[bhitai]

My friend... that is what we are doing with Ahmedis... straight forward dawah.....that 'You (Qadyanis) are not Muslim".

wow, that's it?
what about: you are murtad and wajibul-qatl?
what about: we want to expel all of you from our pak-sarzameen?
what about: we cannot treat you as equal pakistanis?

I thought this was the tone of most of the people here!

This is the best way of dawah.. of course this should be conveyed in the best possible/ hikmat se bharpor way...

where is the part that deals with IKHLAAQ.
Remember how Quran asks us to do Dawah???

Can you reproduce that verse here or should I do the honors?

but we will have to tell them that for us you are zindeeq and kafir.... so that they could be more curious to know that why are they being called NON MUSLIM?? Of course if someone is Qadyani by birth and if he will be worried for his akhirah he will investigate for sure and if someone want to become a Qadyani (Allah forbidden) he will think for 1000 times as he would know that if I accept Qadyanism then I will become non muslim in the eyes of Muslim.....

so you think just by scaring someone we can make him change his mind?

I would say it requires a lot more than that. Remember you are asking someone to ABANDON his past, his parents, his social ties etc. etc.

Social boycott is one of the tool to let someone know about his mistake...for Qadyanis Social boycott should be must and for other non muslims we should not make general friendship with them...so that other muslims could be aware of the gravity of the matter and those muslims are not attracted in any case by non muslim/qadyanis.....it is the best way to stop general public to be attracted by Qadyanis...For someone it might be against FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION OR FREEDOM TO LIVE...but if you are a muslim then you will have to be sure that it is a great responsibility on us to protect our brothers and sister from becoming the fuel of hell fire and we should opt for every tool to protect them.

That's the point I have read here over and over.
My argument is simple: they have a CONSTITUTIONAL right to live in Pakistan as 'normal' human beings.
The LAW does NOT regard them as pariahs, unfortunately!!!

Now we cannot discriminate against them in SECULAR matters, as per LAW, for instance, if a qadyani kid wants admission in a school, how do you suggest we BAN him from entering the premises???

Now you guys are great keyboard warriors, the best way to achieve your goal is this:
1. Join Jamaat-e-islami , JUI or some other religious outfit that wants to declare them wajib-ul-qatl
2. Gain enough seats in the parliament to add a constitutional amendment
3. AMEND THE DAMN CONSTITUTION and make it ILLEGAL FOR A QADYANI TO PRACTICE HIS FAITH IN PAKISTAN!

 

[mehwish_ali]

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20. Freedom to profess religion and to manage religious institutions.
Subject to law, public order and morality:-
(a) every citizen shall have the right to profess, practise and propagate his religion; and
(b) every religious denomination and every sect thereof shall have the right to establish, maintain and manage its religious institutions.


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[mehwish_ali]

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# Ibne Taymiyyah in his Fatawa, vol. 28, page 652-654.
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[PakPatriot1]

For many "Pak" Pakistanis, Indian Muslims are the offspring of a Banya, and these are untouchables for "pak" Pakistanis. But why in this case, they are

following Baynya's fatwa.

Why don't you listen to your own Ulemas what did they say recently on Altaf Hussain's clarification on his words.

Why don't you ask PPP and PMLN govt. to introduce a clause in the constitution of Pakistan that will declare Qadyans an special type of minority and that clause must throw them out of Pakistan. But until that how would you treat them? Do you have answer of it?

But since this issue came from MQM, that's why this huge hue and cry is.

Otherwise they never ask anything what is written in the constitution?
Who made that constitution? Who signed it? Altaf Hussain?
Maulana Moududi and Maoulana Noorani and many other scholars of Islam endorsed it and the elected parliament passed it.
Ask those Ulema and parliamentarians of that time why they didn't they declare Qadyanis an special kind of minority?

This is just a hate for a community in Pakistan. Some times in the form of Jinnah Pur, some times in the form of Qadyanis. May be tomorrow something else.

Shame on you people.

Pushing true muslims and pure pakistanis in a closed alley will harm everybody.

 

[MYCOUNTRY]

ALTAF DON,T KNOW WHAT HE IS SAYING BUT IF HE KNOW AND HE MEANS IT THEN HE IS DOING WHAT HIS MASTERS ARE SAYING TO HIMMMMMMMMM

I WAS EXPECTING MUCH MORE WORST FROM THIS "BLACK ENGLISH MAN".................ALTAF SAYS HIS GRAND FATHER WAS MUFTI................BUT YOU ARE NOT A MUFTI NOR MOLVI,,,,,,,,,,,EVEN YOU DON,T KNOW HOW TO READ THE QURAN ,,,,,,,,,,,,,HOW CAN YOU GIVE THE EXPLANATION OF QURAN & ISLAM ??????????????????????

APNI OUQAAT MAIN REHNA CHAHIAY BADBHAKTH..................

PLS GIVE YOUR SO CALLED PHILOSOPHY TO YOUR FALLOWERS BUT NOT TO US.................

QUDYANIS , AHMADIS, SALMAN RUSHDI, ALTAF , MUSHARAF ALL ARE VERY IMPORTANTE FOR USA/UK.........

 

[abbasiali]

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20. Freedom to profess religion and to manage religious institutions.
Subject to law, public order and morality:-
(a) every citizen shall have the right to profess, practise and propagate his religion; and
(b) every religious denomination and every sect thereof shall have the right to establish, maintain and manage its religious institutions.


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Dear Sis,

Thanks for your brave explanation, Why brave, because you are the first person, who made it clear, that within MQM, still some courageous people are existing who can differentiate between TRUTH & FALSE. You made it clear that AH is not the final verdict. There is above authority, which we recognise as MQM cause, which decides. He could be ignored by suffered Muslim community members, if he apologizes on his stance on Ahmadis on religion basis, He could follow the support on his own on political and humanitarian grounds, but if he will continue this practice, he might loose every thing, because this is my believe, MQM followers will follow him for every thing, but will not support him on this issue on religion or political basis.

You have proved to be true Muslim from inside, who have courage to say truth, even against your own beloved leader, That how we create consensus, so far who ever have written here, has proved their faith on their strong believe on Islam.

Leaders should be very careful, they should realize, sometimes their followers have to face single handed to a huge crowd of opponents.

 

[Pakistani72]

Aik aur fatwa dhek loo. Logoon ko confuse na karoo. Munaeqat kahan hay faisla Khuda ko hazir nazir jaan kar karo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sw6Qyqj ... 5&index=66

 

[PakPatriot1]

@Abbasi Ali:
That's true. I've talked to many MQM supporters in here and abroad on this issue. Majority of them don't like if Altaf Hussain has said anything in favor of Qadyanis. But they all admit that we should amend the constitution of Pakistan if we want to expel Qadyanis out of Pakistan. Until that we have to recognize them as any other minority as we have in Pakistan.

MQM's inbox was nearly close to crushing about this issue. People asked AH to clarify his position and the very next day he explained what he said. That's the true democracy in MQM. Leadership had to listen their workers and supporters.

It is not necessary if we must follow AH's personal likings or dislikings.

This is exactly like Qazi Hussain sent his son to USA, many jamati people don't want to send their children there.
This is exactly like Nawaz Sharif made billions of rupees out of "Qarz Utaro Mulk Sanwaro Scheme" but not every PMLN supporter will do that.
This is exactly like Aitezaz Ahsan and BB gave all the proofs of Khalistan Tehreek to Rajiv Gandhi but not every PPPian will do that.

Last but not the least, Nawaz Sharif loves "Siri Paye" but not every PMLN supporter likes to eat Siri Paye. :lol:

 

[abbasiali]

@Abbasi Ali:
That's true. I've talked to many MQM supporters in here and abroad on this issue. Majority of them don't like if Altaf Hussain has said anything in favor of Qadyanis. But they all admit that we should amend the constitution of Pakistan if we want to expel Qadyanis out of Pakistan. Until that we have to recognize them as any other minority as we have in Pakistan.

MQM's inbox was nearly close to crushing about this issue. People asked AH to clarify his position and the very next day he explained what he said. That's the true democracy in MQM. Leadership had to listen their workers and supporters.

It is not necessary if we must follow AH's personal likings or dislikings.

This is exactly like Qazi Hussain sent his son to USA, many jamati people don't want to send their children there.
This is exactly like Nawaz Sharif made billions of rupees out of "Qarz Utaro Mulk Sanwaro Scheme" but not every PMLN supporter will do that.
This is exactly like Aitezaz Ahsan and BB gave all the proofs of Khalistan Tehreek to Rajiv Gandhi but not every PPPian will do that.

Last but not the least, Nawaz Sharif loves "Siri Paye" but not every PMLN supporter likes to eat Siri Paye. :lol:

You gave me a very big heart, after Sister Zainabia, you have taken initiate to talk truth, we are not against any one's basic human and fundamental rights, But I believe this time AH have try to cross his limits, and he has been given a treatment from his own party, thats why he is trying to clarify himself against bunch of few peoples, Its better to call Luqman and set another programme of appology, Luqman had said immediately about his statement as bold statement, because he knows, AH doesn't know the consequences in this regards, which he is now facing,

Any ways at least this time one conclusion has come out within MQM rows, that no one can cross the limits, even he is AH, AH has become AH because of MQM cause, MQM cause is not because of AH. The day MQM cause will decide, AH will be out, but AH cannot dismantle MQM. Never.