DAR UL ALOOM INDIAS FATWA

[such bolo]

jabeen said: Bhai to jo Talluk Altaf hussain ka ap log Qadianio ka saath banany ki koshish ker rahay hain

I would just advice all of you to listen altaf husein carefully from 2:24 till 04:25 in the following clip... what actually he wants for Qadyanis..ab hum taaluk bananey ki koshish ker rahey hien yaa khod AH taaluk banaraha hai???

Here is the transcription of his interview:

Luqman:
Hamara 73 ka aain tu kehta hai k aqliyaton ko apna mazhab preach kerney ki ijaazet honee chahiye tu kiya phir Jamat Ahmediya ko bhi ye ijazat honee chahiye?
Altaf Husein:
Bilkul honee chahiye. Meree nazer mien honee chahiye. Her kisi ko honee chahiye.
Luqman:
Thats a very bold statement
Altaf:
Her kisi ko honee chahiye. tu fascisam ka ilzam mujh pe nahi lagey ga tu kis pe lagega???... acha phir aisey hee nahi keh raha. aisey hee nahi keh raha... mien ne ahmediyo ka litreture bhi perha hai.. mien ne ahmadiyo k programs bhi dekhey.. mien ne dekha wohee kalma hai inka... wohee aap (sallal laahu alahi wasallam) ko akhree nabi maantey hie woh... ab jhagra jo aata hai os ki behes mien nahi jaana chahta... is ko jo nahi maney naa maaney... aap inko musalman nahi maantey na nahi maaney... jo hindu hai os ka bhi apna Allah Rasool hai...os ko tu aap tasleem kertey hien tu Ahmediyo ko bhi tasleem kijiye........yeh jurret pakistan mien kisi mien nahi hai... ahmediyo pe zulam nahi hona chahiye. woh insaan hien pakistani hien...

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bk7yRdOnI4[/video]

Article 20 ma jo likha ha wo hi Altaf hussain na kaha ha, kia pakistan ka constitution Altaf hussain na banaya ha ?
Us na sirf wo kaha ha jo Article 20 ma likha ha .

1973 ka aain 36 saal pehley likhaa gaya thaa... AH ko is constitution ka Article 20 itna kiyo yaa aa raha hai abhi... is article mien jo kuch hai os k mutabik Qadyani apney huqooq hasil ker rahey hien balkey is se ziyada hee hasil ker rahey hien... meger AH ko itni sampathy kis cheez ki hai aur keh raha hai k "inko insaan samjha jai in pe zulm ho raha hai" kahan zulm ho raha hai kon inhien insaan nahi samjhta??? Infact there is something wrong....

Yeh aik Mulki Masla ha Deeni nahi..

phir deenee masla kiya hoga aur kub hoga aap samjhaadijiye????

Altaf Hussain na to Wazay toor per kaha ha ka Jo Shaks KHatam e Nabuwat(S A W) per yaqeen nahib rakhta wo muselman nahi.

is interview mien AH ne wazeh tor pe kaha hai k :

"mien ne ahmadiyo k programs bhi dekhey.. mien ne dekha wohee kalma hai inka... wohee aap (sallal laahu alahi wasallam) ko akhree nabi maantey hie woh"

ab AH tu keh raha hai Qadyani bhi khatm e nabuwwet ko maantey hien.... kiya aap AH k is comment se agree kertey hien????

Quaid e Azam ka moaamla 1948 ka moaamla thaa... 1973 k baad koi gunjaish nahi k qadyaniyo ko foreign minister banaya jai, after 1973 they are Kafir officially ....so there is a big difference between Quaid e Azam and AH...

 

[bhitai]

Quaid e Azam ka moaamla 1948 ka moaamla thaa... 1973 k baad koi gunjaish nahi k qadyaniyo ko foreign minister banaya jai, after 1973 they are Kafir officially ....so there is a big difference between Quaid e Azam and AH...

that's a lame argument. By 1948, Qadyaniat was well under its second 'phase' with Mirza Mahmood at its helm - it is the same Mirza Mehmood who barred Qadyanis from praying with muslims, and on the basis of whose writings Attorney General Yaha Bakhtiar successfully made his case against Qadyaniat in 1974 (that qadyanis were already outside the islamic community as per their own doctrine!).

So... Quaid-e-Azam kept Zafarullah as his minister, despite the latter's aversion to muslims. This is a testament to Quaid-e-Azam's SECULAR approach toward governance : HIRE THE BEST PERSON FOR THE JOB, despite his faith! That's the essence of AH's constitutional position : Let them be like any other non-muslim community, free of religious oppression and harassment, and free to participate in the building of pakistan like any other.

It is indeed a KARWI GOLEE for many, but it is the ESSENCE OF justice!

ALTAF never said kay Qadyanion ko SIR PAY BITHAO. He said : let them live in pakistan like regular folks.
ALTAF is popular among Christians and hindus for the same reason - he wants secular governance, free of religious biases, in Pakistan. It's not easy and it's not everybody's cup of tea, but he's hardly alone in believing it..

Btw. his praising of qadyanis was not binding on any of his supporter - I don't think there's anything worthwhile about qadyaniat as such, but his support for their constitutional rights is indeed praiseworthy..

 

[jabeen]

sach bolo
ap khud hi sach bool do.
Altaf Hussain na kia kaha ha wo sab na sunna ha
Ye Mazhabi baat ha hi nahi
Yeh baat Pakistaniat ki hay.

Mera ap sa Sawal ha ..
Kia Qadyani Pakistani hain ??

Ager hain to kia un ko Ghair Muselmano ka Haqoooq hasil hain ka nahi ?

Ager hain to un ko Preaching ki Ijazat to Ayeen day raha ha is per itni takleef kio ho rahi hay ?

Baghair soochay samjhay Propaganda start ker dia tha ap jaisai logo na abb phuns gaye ho kio ka Qadiani ka baray ma jo kuch Altaf hussian na kaha wo Ayeen ma derj ha aur Ayeen Mullaoo na banaya ha wo is ka credit laitay hain.

Abhi kuch din pahlay aik Qadiani Major Nadeem Dar MQM ka khilaaf bol raha tha to us ko hero kon bana raha tha ?

Ummat aur Jasarat ?


Altaf hussain na to kah dia ka koi admi Muselman nahi ho saktta jab tak wo Khatam e Nabuwat(S A W) per eemaan na rakhay.


Magar Mododi na to un ko Kafir karaar dainay sa bhi inkaar ker dia tha.

Aur Bhago nahi Quaid e Azam ki baat per, 1973 ma ager un ko Kafir kaha ha to kia wo 1973 ma kafir hoye us sa pahlay wo muselman thay kia jo Quaid e Azam na aik Qadiani ko Wazeer banaya tha, Ya us sa pahlay ka saray Mullah Jahil thay aur 1973 ma sab mullah perhay likhay ho gaye thay ?

 

[such bolo]

jabeen said:

Kia Qadyani Pakistani hain ??

Ji haan qadyani pakistani hien...

Ager hain to kia un ko Ghair Muselmano k Haqoooq hasil hain ka nahi ?

hasil hien balkey os se ziyada hee hasil hien aaj kul

Ager hain to un ko Preaching ki Ijazat to Ayeen day raha ha is per itni takleef kio ho rahi hay ?

ab aap ki samajh mien is misaal se bhi musalmaano ka concern samajh mien naa aaye tu Allah hee hafiz hai.

Constitution k tehet kisi ki behen kisi bhi party mien dance ker sakti hai (Allah na karey)...tu kiya ager kisi ki behen apney bhai yaa baap se ijaazet maangey dance ki tu osey dance kerney ki ijaazet de denee chahiye??? aur ager ijaazet na de jai aur phir koi aur auret aa k os behen ko convince kerney ki koshish kerey dance k liye tu kiya aap os aurat ko ijazet deingey convincing ki? aur wo aurat gher gher jaa k larkiyo ko dance ki teref dawat de tu aap os aurat ko ijaazet deingey? aur phir aap ka AHusein TV channel pe aa key kahey k aisee aurat ko ijazat honee chahiye consitution k tehet tu kiya aap AH ki favour keriengey???

AH bhi musalmaan hai.. Qadyaani tu nahi... yahee hamara concern hai k akhir is ko kiya howa hai... consitution ki wordings ko bunyaad bana k media pe aa k yeh kiyo propagate kiya jaa raha hai k qadyaniyo ka kalma bhi wohee hai wohee akhree rasool ko woh maantey hien aur onhien tableegh ki ijaazat honee chahiye...jo baat general media pe aa k qadyani nahi keh saktey wo baat AH keh k inko support kiyo ker raha hai....there is something wrong...

Baghair soochay samjhay Propaganda start ker dia tha ap jaisai logo na abb phuns gaye ho kio ka Qadiani ka baray ma jo kuch Altaf hussian na kaha wo Ayeen ma derj ha aur Ayeen Mullaoo na banaya ha wo is ka credit laitay hain.

Abhi kuch din pahlay aik Qadiani Major Nadeem Dar MQM ka khilaaf bol raha tha to us ko hero kon bana raha tha ?

major nadeem ho yaa koi aur... qadyani is qadyani.... he is kafir. aur phasaa kon hai aur kon nahi yeh tu Allah jaanta hai...baat hai akhirat ki... jis ki fiker sub ko kernee chahiye.

Altaf hussain na to kah dia ka koi admi Muselman nahi ho saktta jab tak wo Khatam e Nabuwat(S A W) per eemaan na rakhay.

Altaf husein apney internview mie keh chuka hai k Qadyaniyo ka kalma bhi wohee hai aur woh Sarkar (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) akhree nabi bhi maantey hien...do you agree with AH?

I would be happy if AH would say that Qadyanis are Kafir which is in constitution.

Magar Mododi na to un ko Kafir karaar dainay sa bhi inkaar ker dia tha

Mododi is responsible for his own action... I have nothing to do with Mododi... I dont know what Allah has done with him.. he is already dead... My Imam is Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam),,, jin k aagey kisi ki koi haisiyet nahi... do you agree???

Aur Bhago nahi Quaid e Azam ki baat per, 1973 ma ager un ko Kafir kaha ha to kia wo 1973 ma kafir hoye us sa pahlay wo muselman thay kia jo Quaid e Azam na aik Qadiani ko Wazeer banaya tha, Ya us sa pahlay ka saray Mullah Jahil thay aur 1973 ma sab mullah perhay likhay ho gaye thay ?

mere bhai qadyaniyo ko kafir karadeney k liye buhat behes aur mubahisey howey hamari asambly mien bhi aur courts mien bhi... aur jub yeh baat payaa e soboot ko ponhach gayee k qadyani kafir hien tu asambly ne mutaffiqa tor pe inhien kafir karardiya...of course 1948 mien bhi qadyani kafir they aur aaj bhi... Quaid e Azam kitna jaantey they qadyaniyo ko aur kitna nahi..aaj kul bhi jo log ziyada ilm nahi rakhtey woh shayad qadyaniyo ko kafir na samjhtey hon... meger jo jaantey inhien chahiye k woh logo ko aagah kerien. Quaid e Azam k baarey mien Allah behter jaanta hai.. he is already dead...insey pochaa tu nahi jaa sakta... woh Allah k haan jawab deh hien.

 

[such bolo]

bhitai said:

ALTAF never said kay Qadyanion ko SIR PAY BITHAO. He said : let them live in pakistan like regular folks.

Altaf husein has said a lot... but you are not quoting the whole interview.. he was quite clear in favouring Qadyanis... he was quite clear to mention his desire that he wants to build Qadyani ibadatgah.. he was quite clear that Qadyanis have same kalima and they believe in Prophet Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) as last messanger... he was quite clear by praising Qadyanis... he was quite clear in propagating about qadyanis that they are being oppressed... etc. etc.. infact he tried to build a ground for Qadyanis to come and start your activities in Karachi... MQM will support you...

I think his interview was quite alarming and i am afraid if MQM workers or supporters start mingling with Qadyanis... which will of course make Qadyanis possible to increase their numbers... Allah na karey.

 

[abbasiali]

Dear Sister Jabeen & Brother Bhitai,

Its really nice to see your contribution towards this issue, Let me try to have clear picture of this issue, and I am sure you guys would love to help me to understand this issue from the beginning, Though I am well aware of this controversy created by AH from the beginning, and it was really unfortunate, anyways we have two perception of this issue, One Political and other Religious,

On political ground, we are firm about basic human and fundamental rights of every single living on Pakistani Soil, although you wouldn't be able to mention what fundamental or human rights as Pakistani citizens, Pakistani citizens are availing, "if I ask you" but still what ever written on paper every single citizen is getting no matter its good or bad, regardless of religion, they are getting equally, its openly available there. Except Elite class who are entitle of every facility regardless of religion, So I believe there was no confusion about that, on daily basis how many Pakistani citizens are crushed in Pakistan regardless of religion, so there was no point to raise for in particular for one group. Except if this was a political point scoring, it was worst, We don't need to bring constitution in between, because what ever is happening to Constitution of Pakistan, badly abuse by Dictators and now so called independent judiciary would be treating,

Now the issue which has been brought forward by you in particular, which has to be settle once for all, Undisputed personality of Quaid - e - Azam shouldn't be brought forward in first place, because this is my believe, none of a single leader has born of his class and standard so far, but if you guys are insisting to debate, let me share my thoughts in this regards.

Let me ask you, What was the living style, Quaid use to have in his early age, his brought up was more than like a Non Muslim than Muslim, highly educated and graduated in Britain, highest Law degree obtain in England as well, Join Congress as liberal leader, and become the part of core leadership. Then we saw a different leader at the time of Partition, who had focus all of his strength towards formation and maintaining integrity of newly born Pakistan, He had maintain a liberal policy in which he definitely maintain a liberal form of Government, where he kept different kind of talented people and offcourse we could say he picked premium talent, Now here is the Point, the way you have try to merge personality of Quaid - e - Aazam with AH and have try to merge his faithful effort with AH was completely unjustified, in first place there is no comparison between these two, no way. Now in your opinion was there any choice was available at the time of Partition to Quaid to build a new Muslim leadership, definitely not, He has to use his remaining available man power which he did, so if appointing one Ahmadi as foreign minister was not a choice, but it was a need of time, and God Knows, what would be his plans at that time, would had he survived at the time to built a strong undisputed Muslim state, So I would recommend you, not to involve our Iconic leader with a useless issue.

Now finally its unbelieveable how it was projected by some of believers and followers, and try to curtained the actual issue, this electronic age is ruthless, it does not permit any one to deny words, though our experts try to manipulate but when it comes toward religion, these kind of efforts become null and void. You cannot deny, AH have try to attempt one worst confusion among his own followers, but this is also true, that no one have agreed or accept his flexibility towards Ahmadis and giving an open idea of having Masjid of Ahmadis which was as good as accepting them as equal muslims.

My Last question to you, would you accept Ahmadis as equal Muslims if AH will give you this FATWA to accept them as Muslim, if you Say yes, I will personally excuse from you and will accept your rows. But I am sure you all can differentiate the need and sensitivity of time. and will talk "HAQ PARAST" the way others did, and I personally regard and salute them.

 

[jabeen]

Yeh baat bilkul wazeh ha ka Altaf hussain ka khilaaf jo propaganda start kia gaya ha wo baseless ha aur yahan mojood log abb ayein bayein aur shayein ker rahay hain.

Altaf hussain na Qadiyanio ko Ghair muslim bulkai Hindu aur Christian ki suff ma khara kia ha.

Ap logo wo kia cheez ha jiss sa takleef hoi ha zara yeh bata dain ?

Qadianio ko Tableegh ki ijazat sa ?

To wo to un ko Constitution day raha ha Altaf hussain nahi.
Aur MQM aik Secular Party ha jis ma Muselman Hindu Chisritian sab hain to Qadiani bhi as a non muslims is ma shamil ho sakttay hain.

@ Abbasiali

Altaf hussain na wazah tor per kah dia ha ka Wo shaks Musleman ho hi nahi saktta jo Khattam e Nabuwat(S A W) per yaqeen nahi rakhta

Is ka baad yaqenan kisi shak e Shubay ki gunjaish nahi magar ager ap logo ko shook ha issue bananay ka to banantay rahain.

Meri Baat ko phir ghoor sa perh lain aur Samajah lain.

Qadiani non Muslims hain BUT Equal Citizens of Pakistan hain aur yeh baat constitution ma likhi ha yeh hi Altaf hussain na kahi ha.

 

[Muttahaida]

bilqul theek kaha sis jabeen in nam nehad islam pasand tanzeem kai mullaho ki zahaini badmashi or tassub ki boo arahe hai jaisay mazhab in kai bap ki jageer hai jo ye altaf bhai per kheecher uchal rahai hai altaf bhai nai kaha jis ka khatam-e-nabwat per believe nahi wo musalman nahi abb baqi mamla allah or qadyanio kai dermian hai ye kisi mullah ko haq nahi pochta kai wo un ko wajibul qatal karar dai atleast hamara leader un jamati munafiqo ki tarah nahi jo betul,lah mesud kai mernai per us ko shaheed qarar dai ye jamati sab sai baray munafiq or choor log hai ye tum log jo aik lakeer ka rona peet rahay ho wo is bat ki sachaye hai kai tum log tasubi ho jab altaf bhai nai wazahat kerdi pir kis cheez ka rona machaya hoa hai

nam nehad islam pasand tanzeem kai ghunday tha jamati tha ,,munawar hassan tha, SUCH BOLO THA, nawaz sharif tha......

 

[such bolo]

Yeh baat bilkul wazeh ha ka Altaf hussain ka khilaaf jo propaganda start kia gaya ha wo baseless ha aur yahan mojood log abb ayein bayein aur shayein ker rahay hain.

AHusein k khilaaf propaganda start kiya gaya hai!!!!!! SubhanaAllah... ulta chor kotwaal ko daantey....Qadyaniyo ko Karachi mien entry dilwayee jaa rahee hai....aur Qadyaniyo ki ibadatgah banayee jaa rahee hai...aur inkey aqaid ka difa kiyaa jaa raha hai aur musalmano ko itna bhi huq nahi k woh constitutional right k tehet AH ki mukhalfat kerien.

Altaf hussain na Qadiyanio ko Ghair muslim bulkai Hindu aur Christian ki suff ma khara kia ha.

Altaf Husein ne Qadyaniyo ko ghair muslim nahi kaha... balkey kaha k "mien ne inka literature bhi perha hai, inkey progra bhi dekhey hien... inka kalma bhi wohee hai... wohee Allah k Nabi (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) ko qadyani akhri Rasool maantey...aap enhien musalman nahi samjhtey na samjhien" ab batao kahan ghair muslim kaha hai??? balkey inhien musalmaano ki suf mien khara kerney ki koshish keee hai....Allah rehem kerey.

Ap logo wo kia cheez ha jiss sa takleef hoi ha zara yeh bata dain ?

Takleef is cheez ki hai... Qadyaniyo ko aik wakeel mil gaya hai.. jo inka case lur raha hai... aur hum musalmano ki teref se oppose ker rahey hien.

Qadianio ko Tableegh ki ijazat sa ?
To wo to un ko Constitution day raha ha Altaf hussain nahi.

constitution yeh tu nahi keh raha jo AH keh raha hai Qadyaniyo ka kalma bhi wohee hai... wohee Allah k Nabi (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) ko qadyani akhri Rasool maantey...aap enhien musalman nahi samjhtey na samjhien

Aur MQM aik Secular Party ha jis ma Muselman Hindu Chisritian sab hain to Qadiani bhi as a non muslims is ma shamil ho sakttay hain.

ager MQM itni hee secular hai.. tu AH ko peer sahib kiyo kehtey ho? Crutan k pattey pe tasveer aur marble pe tasveer kahan se aayee??? AH ko bolo k apni takreer se pehley khotba perhna bund kerey.....aur Qadyaniyo ko non muslim kub kaha hai AH ne??? ager aik dafa bhi AH Qadyaniyo ko kafir kehdey...yeh saarey thread bund hojaingey...

Altaf hussain na wazah tor per kah dia ha ka Wo shaks Musleman ho hi nahi saktta jo Khattam e Nabuwat(S A W) per yaqeen nahi rakhta

AH ne wazeh tor pe kaha hai k Qadyaniyo ka kalma bhi wohee hai aur woh Allah k piyarey Rasool (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) ko akhree nabi maantey hien... do you agree with AH????

Qadiani non Muslims hain BUT Equal Citizens of Pakistan hain aur yeh baat constitution ma likhi ha yeh hi Altaf hussain na kahi ha.

AH ne aur buhat kuch kaha hai os ka ziker nahi kertey aap.... Qadyaniyo ki ibadatgah banana... inkey aqaid ka difa...etc etc...

 

[such bolo]

bilqul theek kaha sis jabeen in nam nehad islam pasand tanzeem kai mullaho ki zahaini badmashi or tassub ki boo arahe hai jaisay mazhab in kai bap ki jageer hai jo ye altaf bhai per kheecher uchal rahai hai altaf bhai nai kaha jis ka khatam-e-nabwat per believe nahi wo musalman nahi abb baqi mamla allah or qadyanio kai dermian hai ye kisi mullah ko haq nahi pochta kai wo un ko wajibul qatal karar dai atleast hamara leader un jamati munafiqo ki tarah nahi jo betul,lah mesud kai mernai per us ko shaheed qarar dai ye jamati sab sai baray munafiq or choor log hai ye tum log jo aik lakeer ka rona peet rahay ho wo is bat ki sachaye hai kai tum log tasubi ho jab altaf bhai nai wazahat kerdi pir kis cheez ka rona machaya hoa hai

nam nehad islam pasand tanzeem kai ghunday tha jamati tha ,,munawar hassan tha, SUCH BOLO THA, nawaz sharif tha......

Muttahida tumhari frustration nazer aa rahee hai.. mera mashwara hai... choro jamat e islami ko, Goli maaro Taliban ko, side pe kero AH ko aur lanet bhejo Qadyaniyo pe aur dafa kero is mulk ki saari siyasi aur mazhabi siyaasi jamato ko... aao Allah k Nabi (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) k ghlaam bun jain....aur Allah k Nabi (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) k deen ka difa kerien.. amal kerien.. apney gher walo ko deen ki taleem dien.. apney doston ko aur apney rishta daaron ko....aur isi halet mien mout aajai... tu inshaAllah kamyaab hongey... warna yeh leader hum se kabhi Qadyaniyo ki favour kerwayiengey aur kabhi Hindus ki aur hamara eemaan barbaad kerdiengey... haath mien kuch nahi aayega... sirf aur sirf barabadi....

 

[Muttahaida]

SUCH BOLO....mai app kai mashwarey ki khulay dil sai khushamded kehta hoon is month kai akhri ashrey mai jo jo khulafat baqi gaye hai us mai mai bhi shamil ho un ka azala pata nahi kon karey ga keo nahi hum log jaza or saza ka haq allah per chordetey or kamaskam is mahinay mai tou aik dosrey per bhotan tarashi ban karay yaha har kisi ka perception aik dosri siasi parties kai leye different hai hum tankeed baraye tankeed karay lakin aik dosrey ki respect rekhay or fahashat or wehshat mai haq-e-tajawaz na kerjaye
meri taraf sai mafi agar kisi ki dil azari hoye ho

lakin agar ap log merey quaid or meri parti kai leye khulafat kaho gai tou reply ka haq mai bhi rekhta hoon

keo agar mai aisa nahi karo ga tou mojhey chup likha jaye ga or ap ko bolnai wala.

 

[abbasiali]

SUCH BOLO....mai app kai mashwarey ki khulay dil sai khushamded kehta hoon is month kai akhri ashrey mai jo jo khulafat baqi gaye hai us mai mai bhi shamil ho un ka azala pata nahi kon karey ga keo nahi hum log jaza or saza ka haq allah per chordetey or kamaskam is mahinay mai tou aik dosrey per bhotan tarashi ban karay yaha har kisi ka perception aik dosri siasi parties kai leye different hai hum tankeed baraye tankeed karay lakin aik dosrey ki respect rekhay or fahashat or wehshat mai haq-e-tajawaz na kerjaye
meri taraf sai mafi agar kisi ki dil azari hoye ho

lakin agar ap log merey quaid or meri parti kai leye khulafat kaho gai tou reply ka haq mai bhi rekhta hoon

keo agar mai aisa nahi karo ga tou mojhey chup likha jaye ga or ap ko bolnai wala.

Dear Muttahaida,
You have really impressed this forum, your response has proved, that you really care for each other with respect, no matter how burning situation would be but you are available for compromise with respect and dignity,

Dear Such Bolo,
You are a thorough gentle person, you realize the need of time well in time, the most simplest and easiest thing in our life is to retaliate with passion, but responding passionate retaliate with decency is a fun. and you prove to be expert of that.

Both of you have found a respectable solution, thats highly appreciateable.

Dear Sister Jabeen,
You prove to be a fighter and thats the best part of life, its great to have discussion on your point of view, and real nice to have decent and respectable replies. very convincing.

 

[jabeen]

After this i guess nothing has left in this issue.

Altaf Hussain na jo Kaha theek kaha, Qadianio ko As a Non Muslim Pakistan ma Rahnay ka Haq ha, ager nahi ha to un ka kia kiya jaye ?
Kia sab ko Qatal ker dia jaye ya un ko Ghulam bana lia jaye ?

Ye mera app sab sa sawal ha ?

 

[keamari12]

TOO JABEEN MERA BHEE AAP SAY SAWAL HAI ALTAF NAY TO YEH BHEE KAHA KAY UNHAY APNI PREACHING KI IJAAZAT BHEE HONEE CHAHIYE YANEE PK KAY KISI BHEE GALI CHORAHAY PAR WOH LOGO KO KHULLAY AAM YEH DAWAT DAYTAY PHIRRAY MOHAMMAD(PEACE BE UPON HIM) AAKHRI NABI NAHI(NAOOZ BILLAH) TO KIYA YEH BHEE AAAP KO MANZOOR HAI

 

[PakPatriot1]

TOO JABEEN MERA BHEE AAP SAY SAWAL HAI ALTAF NAY TO YEH BHEE KAHA KAY UNHAY APNI PREACHING KI IJAAZAT BHEE HONEE CHAHIYE YANEE PK KAY KISI BHEE GALI CHORAHAY PAR WOH LOGO KO KHULLAY AAM YEH DAWAT DAYTAY PHIRRAY MOHAMMAD(PEACE BE UPON HIM) AAKHRI NABI NAHI(NAOOZ BILLAH) TO KIYA YEH BHEE AAAP KO MANZOOR HAI

No, not at all !!! I won't accept it.

Personally I don't care what AH stance would be on this, although in comparison with others, AH will still remain my favorite political leader (not a religious leader mind it please). I have no other choice. I cannot trust others as I know them very well.
PPP and PMLN both have Qadyani supporters in them. The only difference is AH came out with the issue, others didn't. I would say, AH shouldn't do it as it is an unnecessary dialogue. Even though if MQM wants Qadyani's support, there were many other ways to adopt. MQM is loosing more than gaining. This is a loss for MQM. I am sorry with Altaf Bhai that this is not a smart move from your side.

Now come to your point Mr.Tower:

If Qadyanis do their preaching on an open public place, they must be stopped, BUT, the million dollar question is:

Who is entitled to stop them?

Me? you? or the law written in the constitution of Pakistan?

I am leaving the rest on your individual intellect? You decide what has to be done in this case.

 

[such bolo]

SUCH BOLO....mai app kai mashwarey ki khulay dil sai khushamded kehta hoon is month kai akhri ashrey mai jo jo khulafat baqi gaye hai us mai mai bhi shamil ho un ka azala pata nahi kon karey ga keo nahi hum log jaza or saza ka haq allah per chordetey or kamaskam is mahinay mai tou aik dosrey per bhotan tarashi ban karay yaha har kisi ka perception aik dosri siasi parties kai leye different hai hum tankeed baraye tankeed karay lakin aik dosrey ki respect rekhay or fahashat or wehshat mai haq-e-tajawaz na kerjaye
meri taraf sai mafi agar kisi ki dil azari hoye ho

lakin agar ap log merey quaid or meri parti kai leye khulafat kaho gai tou reply ka haq mai bhi rekhta hoon

keo agar mai aisa nahi karo ga tou mojhey chup likha jaye ga or ap ko bolnai wala.

acha Mutaihida.. aik baat batao... ager tum AH ko chor do... MQM ko chor do... inki na himaayet kero na mukhalifat... na vote do....aur kisi bhi party ko vote na do... tu kiya hoga??

Tumhari nokri chalee jaigee?
Tum bhokey mur jaoge?
Tum barbaad hojaogey?
Tumhari akhirat tabah hojaigee?
Tum badnaam hojaogey?
Tumhien log gaaliyaan deingey?
Tum akhriat mien phans jaogey?
Tumhien gher se nikaal diya jaaiga?

Hoga kiya??? kuch bhi nahi.. tum sukoon mien aajaogey... tumhien Qayamet k din AH aur MQM ya kisi bhi siyasi party ki hamaayet per sawal wa jawab nahi hongey... tumsey Allah yeh nahi poocheyga k tum ne Qadyaniyo k issue pe AH ki himaayet ki thee jub k Qadyani mere aur mere Habib (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) dushman they.....aur ager MQM ko vote dediya aur MQM ne party bunyado pe Qadyani ibadatgah banalee tu Allah phir bhi poocheyga k aisey logo ko vote diya jinhon ne mere dushmano ko protect kiya...

Aaisey fitno mien griftar honey ki zarorat hai????

Aur haan ager Allah ne yeh pooch liya k MQM kiyo chori... tu kehna "Ai Allah mujhey tuj se der lagta thaa k kahin tu naraaz na hoaji..mien tujhey razi kerney k liye MQM ko chor diya... aur sirf teree muhabbet hasil kerney k liye jaddojehed kerney laga..."

 

[Pakistani72]

Deubandee fatwah bara hay yah KHUDA aur HAZARAT MOHAMMED PBUH ka fatwah bara hay.
Yahan par tu her sect ney doosrey ke khelaaf FATWAH dia hay watch videos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icJoDYruq1U
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[Pakistani72]

keep watching 'love for all hatered for none'
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[abbasiali]

SUCH BOLO....mai app kai mashwarey ki khulay dil sai khushamded kehta hoon is month kai akhri ashrey mai jo jo khulafat baqi gaye hai us mai mai bhi shamil ho un ka azala pata nahi kon karey ga keo nahi hum log jaza or saza ka haq allah per chordetey or kamaskam is mahinay mai tou aik dosrey per bhotan tarashi ban karay yaha har kisi ka perception aik dosri siasi parties kai leye different hai hum tankeed baraye tankeed karay lakin aik dosrey ki respect rekhay or fahashat or wehshat mai haq-e-tajawaz na kerjaye
meri taraf sai mafi agar kisi ki dil azari hoye ho

lakin agar ap log merey quaid or meri parti kai leye khulafat kaho gai tou reply ka haq mai bhi rekhta hoon

keo agar mai aisa nahi karo ga tou mojhey chup likha jaye ga or ap ko bolnai wala.

acha Mutaihida.. aik baat batao... ager tum AH ko chor do... MQM ko chor do... inki na himaayet kero na mukhalifat... na vote do....aur kisi bhi party ko vote na do... tu kiya hoga??

Tumhari nokri chalee jaigee?
Tum bhokey mur jaoge?
Tum barbaad hojaogey?
Tumhari akhirat tabah hojaigee?
Tum badnaam hojaogey?
Tumhien log gaaliyaan deingey?
Tum akhriat mien phans jaogey?
Tumhien gher se nikaal diya jaaiga?

Hoga kiya??? kuch bhi nahi.. tum sukoon mien aajaogey... tumhien Qayamet k din AH aur MQM ya kisi bhi siyasi party ki hamaayet per sawal wa jawab nahi hongey... tumsey Allah yeh nahi poocheyga k tum ne Qadyaniyo k issue pe AH ki himaayet ki thee jub k Qadyani mere aur mere Habib (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) dushman they.....aur ager MQM ko vote dediya aur MQM ne party bunyado pe Qadyani ibadatgah banalee tu Allah phir bhi poocheyga k aisey logo ko vote diya jinhon ne mere dushmano ko protect kiya...

Aaisey fitno mien griftar honey ki zarorat hai????

Aur haan ager Allah ne yeh pooch liya k MQM kiyo chori... tu kehna "Ai Allah mujhey tuj se der lagta thaa k kahin tu naraaz na hoaji..mien tujhey razi kerney k liye MQM ko chor diya... aur sirf teree muhabbet hasil kerney k liye jaddojehed kerney laga..."

Dear Such Bolo,

I don't think you should address this only to Muttahida, it should be address to every single person in Pakistan, What politics are going on, and the characters which are dominating are on the height of their hypocrisy, If some one is loyal to some one, we should regard, You have very strong way of communication, in fact I must say, its really very authentic, You need to see it very flexibly, if some is lenient then we need to work hard on them, but first win mind and heart, which is one of the most difficult thing, but not impossible.

 

[Meraypass]

Deobandi founder Qasim Nanutwihimself denied Khatm-e-Nabuwat;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sw6Qyqjh04

Why have deobandi scholars not disassociated themselves from him? Why are those who are complaining against Altaf Hussein not protesting against deobandis?

This is just pure hypocrisy on the part of these religious blackmailers to blackmail MQM and Altaf Hussein as MQM are against Mullait and talk of equality for all.

This is not a religious issue but of political blackmail by the clergy.