Custody case of illegal child of a Pakistani Canadian Muslim man and Hindu woman proceeds in LHC

[adnan_swati]

 

[QaiserMirza]

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سب سے پہلی بات یہ کہ ایک مسلمان کی شادی ہندو سے ہو ہی نہیں سکتی
اگر مسلم مرد کسی ہندو لڑکی کے ساتھہ زندگی گزر رہا ہو تو وہ ناجائز تعلق ہے
اس ناجائز تعلق سے وجود میں آنے والی اولاد کس طرح جایز ہو سکتی ہے
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[abbasiali]

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سواتی صاحب اس تھریڈ کا کوئی مقصد سمجھ نہیں آیا، اس جیسے کتنے کیس عدالتوں میں چل رہے ہوں گے اور چلتے رہیں گے، چاہے کنیڈا ہو یا پاکستان، حضرت ے انسان اپنی حرکتوں سے بعض آنے والا نہیں، اور ہم لوگ ایسی خبروں سے لطف اندوز ہونے کے لیے ہر وقت تیار ​

 

[abbasiali]

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سب سے پہلی بات یہ کہ ایک مسلمان کی شادی ہندو سے ہو ہی نہیں سکتی
اگر مسلم مرد کسی ہندو لڑکی کے ساتھہ زندگی گزر رہا ہو تو وہ ناجائز تعلق ہے
اس ناجائز تعلق سے وجود میں آنے والی اولاد کس طرح جایز ہو سکتی ہے
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قیصر صاحب میرے خیال میں اگر یہ حضرت ان خاتون کو شرف ے باریابی اسلام کی سعادت سے آشنا کر کے نکاح کر لیں تو کسی حد تک مک مکہ ہو جایے گا، کم از کم انے والی نسل تو صحیح ہو جایے گی، اس معصوم کے ساتھ تو زیادتی ہو گیی ہے، اس کا کیا ازالہ ہو سکتا ہے، اس پر تھوڈی سی روشنی ڈال دیجئے ، یہ زیادہ مناسب رہے گا.​

 

[adnan_swati]

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سواتی صاحب اس تھریڈ کا کوئی مقصد سمجھ نہیں آیا، اس جیسے کتنے کیس عدالتوں میں چل رہے ہوں گے اور چلتے رہیں گے، چاہے کنیڈا ہو یا پاکستان، حضرت ے انسان اپنی حرکتوں سے بعض آنے والا نہیں، اور ہم لوگ ایسی خبروں سے لطف اندوز ہونے کے لیے ہر وقت تیار
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there are many Canadian Pakistanis here .sort of intimation for them
i dont why moral issues are not important for most of the people until and unless some similar kind of incident happens (allah na karay) in their family then they come to know the intensity of the issue

 

[Wadaich]

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there are many canadian pakistanis here .sort of intimation for them

And some of them not all, wait for the opportunity to post useless sultry material pertaining to the love affairs which result in such a proud action..................................Lo0oooooooooooooooooooooooooooL Qaboolllllllllllllllllllll.

 

[Safarmai]

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Correct heading should be, ''Pakistani born Canadian man(father) kidnapped his child and hide him in Pakistan away from the mother''.
In USA law is very clear about kidnapping own US-child from other parent, i think its quite similar in Canada too.
So this man thinks that he can someday go back to Canada ...................... or now it maybe goodbye to Canada forever.

I think thread belongs here to tell Pakistan what pakistanis are doing in the world.

 

[famamdani]

Re: pakistani canadian muslim man and hindo girl illegal child case proceeds in lahore high court

Correct heading should be, ''Pakistani born Canadian man(father) kidnapped his child and hide him in Pakistan away from the mother''.
In USA law is very clear about kidnapping own US-child from other parent, i think its quite similar in Canada too.
So this man thinks that he can someday go back to Canada ...................... or now it maybe goodbye to Canada forever.

I think thread belongs here to tell Pakistan what pakistanis are doing in the world.

IN THIS CASE IF INDIAN GIRL DEMAGE THEN ALL PLOT MAKING FROM I S I...........................FOR FURTHER NEWS SEE NDTV:::::...Thankyou

 

[famamdani]

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AAP SUB LOG WAISE HI IMMOTIONAL HO JATE HO......................PEHLE FACT TO DEKH LAIN .........................CHILD IS 3 and half.................pakistan citizen...............when his father take him to pakistan..................by birth he take pakistani pass and why his mother no resistance and take a objection this time or father after birth make a plan and scape from canada................................how must first hearing or search all facts and then decided...........................which what and whom......................................but one is sure ISI involvment is overall.................if 2nd party is Indian........................

 

[Mughal1]

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سب سے پہلی بات یہ کہ ایک مسلمان کی شادی ہندو سے ہو ہی نہیں سکتی
اگر مسلم مرد کسی ہندو لڑکی کے ساتھہ زندگی گزر رہا ہو تو وہ ناجائز تعلق ہے
اس ناجائز تعلق سے وجود میں آنے والی اولاد کس طرح جایز ہو سکتی ہے
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Qaiser bhai aap ki yeh baat imperial fiqh ke ehtbaar se to theek hai magar kia yeh quran ki roshni main bhi theek hai?

Jis dawr main fiqh marattab ki gaee us daur main islam ki shakal badal di gaee thi, yeh malookiyat ka daur tha aur is dawr main wajood main aane waali fiqh baadshahaon ke taabe banaai gaee thi.

A muslim child can have mushrik parents and their nikah is fine and accepted in the quran. The child can have any relative of any religion as far as the quran is concerned including parents. This is over all picture by the quran. There is only and only one verse in the quran 2/221. This verse should be interpreted in light of loads of other verses in the quran and not the other way round.

The context or basis of the quran is humanity not law. The law is for the benefit of humanity. The quran is here to unite people on basis of universal principles not separate people on basis of inhumane laws.

Muslim imperialists have been attributing all nonsense to Allah and his prophets to justify for themselves things that Allah told people not to do.

According to these inventors or legitimizers of wrong ideas prophets like dawood and sulemaan were collectors of women. They attribute 100 women to father and a few hundred to the son. Can these like reports be true in the sense they take them?

They also claim our own prophet kept slave girls. He even married a child of six.

When a people want to use and abuse others they some how create a false divide like firoun did with israelies. This is the basis of many laws in the fiqh books that go against the very spirit of islam.

It is time we looked to the quran for guidance than power hungry mullahs.

The quran only warns against friendly relationship with such people who pose danger to islam and muslims regardless of their personal beliefs. In this context even parents and other blood relations need to be guarded against. Likewise taking wives from people who are enemies to you will not be risk free. So the discrimination is on basis of danger and animosity not religious beliefs. The other reason is whether people hold fast to their commitments or not. People who marry one person and run after others should not be married to because such people will not be good for family life.

It is as dangerous to attribute to the quran what is not in the quran as it is to not to take seriously what is in it.

Imperialist mullahs have been creating enemies from within as well as out side. The quran has told us about mullas of bani israel and how good they were. All that so that we become alert and do not let this happen but we did not guard against that and ended up in situation that we are.

Coming to this case, it is not about nikah but custody of child. These people are not married under any law and have a child. The question is, what is islamic stand on this situation and what is law of pakistan in this regard.

Since such relationships are not unlawful in a country eg canada or uk or etc etc what should islamic or pakistani stand be on this situation? The answer is not straight forward but if people do not discuss this situation thoroughly we will remain confused. It is necessary to have a stand point because we are part of rest of human society or international community. What we each hold lawful or unlawful affects others as is clear from this case itself. More people are international citizens in our time so we must deal with such situations taking all factors into account, particularly what is best for child. Also incompatible marriages should be avoided because that will not be a good start in life for any couple.

regards and all the best.

 

[abbasiali]

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there are many Canadian Pakistanis here .sort of intimation for them
i dont why moral issues are not important for most of the people until and unless some similar kind of incident happens (allah na karay) in their family then they come to know the intensity of the issue

برادر سواتی صاحب اور بھی غم ھیں زمانے میں، اخلاقیات کی سب کو مکمل طور پر پروا اور فکر ہے، ہر طرح کے لوگ ہر جگہ موحود ہوتے ھیں، ہر شخص اپنی کرنے کا ذمےدار ہے، چاھے وہ پاکستاننی ہو یا کنیڈین ​

 

[mush_dewana]

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برادر سواتی صاحب اور بھی غم ھیں زمانے میں، اخلاقیات کی سب کو مکمل طور پر پروا اور فکر ہے، ہر طرح کے لوگ ہر جگہ موحود ہوتے ھیں، ہر شخص اپنی کرنے کا ذمےدار ہے، چاھے وہ پاکستاننی ہو یا کنیڈین ​

Abbasiali ab sawati na thread chala hi dia ha to app keon advice ker rahay hain haar to ha na canada main :D

 

[QaiserMirza]

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Qaiser bhai aap ki yeh baat imperial fiqh ke ehtbaar se to theek hai magar kia yeh quran ki roshni main bhi theek hai?

Jis dawr main fiqh marattab ki gaee us daur main islam ki shakal badal di gaee thi, yeh malookiyat ka daur tha aur is dawr main wajood main aane waali fiqh baadshahaon ke taabe banaai gaee thi.

A muslim child can have mushrik parents and their nikah is fine and accepted in the quran. The child can have any relative of any religion as far as the quran is concerned including parents. This is over all picture by the quran. There is only and only one verse in the quran 2/221. This verse should be interpreted in light of loads of other verses in the quran and not the other way round.

The context or basis of the quran is humanity not law. The law is for the benefit of humanity. The quran is here to unite people on basis of universal principles not separate people on basis of inhumane laws.

Muslim imperialists have been attributing all nonsense to Allah and his prophets to justify for themselves things that Allah told people not to do.

According to these inventors or legitimizers of wrong ideas prophets like dawood and sulemaan were collectors of women. They attribute 100 women to father and a few hundred to the son. Can these like reports be true in the sense they take them?

They also claim our own prophet kept slave girls. He even married a child of six.

When a people want to use and abuse others they some how create a false divide like firoun did with israelies. This is the basis of many laws in the fiqh books that go against the very spirit of islam.

It is time we looked to the quran for guidance than power hungry mullahs.

The quran only warns against friendly relationship with such people who pose danger to islam and muslims regardless of their personal beliefs. In this context even parents and other blood relations need to be guarded against. Likewise taking wives from people who are enemies to you will not be risk free. So the discrimination is on basis of danger and animosity not religious beliefs. The other reason is whether people hold fast to their commitments or not. People who marry one person and run after others should not be married to because such people will not be good for family life.

It is as dangerous to attribute to the quran what is not in the quran as it is to not to take seriously what is in it.

Imperialist mullahs have been creating enemies from within as well as out side. The quran has told us about mullas of bani israel and how good they were. All that so that we become alert and do not let this happen but we did not guard against that and ended up in situation that we are.

Coming to this case, it is not about nikah but custody of child. These people are not married under any law and have a child. The question is, what is islamic stand on this situation and what is law of pakistan in this regard.

Since such relationships are not unlawful in a country eg canada or uk or etc etc what should islamic or pakistani stand be on this situation? The answer is not straight forward but if people do not discuss this situation thoroughly we will remain confused. It is necessary to have a stand point because we are part of rest of human society or international community. What we each hold lawful or unlawful affects others as is clear from this case itself. More people are international citizens in our time so we must deal with such situations taking all factors into account, particularly what is best for child. Also incompatible marriages should be avoided because that will not be a good start in life for any couple.

regards and all the best.

وَلَا تَنْكِحُوا الْمُشْرِكَاتِ حَتَّىٰ يُؤْمِنَّ ۚ وَلَأَمَةٌ مُؤْمِنَةٌ خَيْرٌ مِنْ مُشْرِكَةٍ وَلَوْ أَعْجَبَتْكُمْ ۗ وَلَا تُنْكِحُوا الْمُشْرِكِينَ حَتَّىٰ يُؤْمِنُوا ۚ وَلَعَبْدٌ مُؤْمِنٌ خَيْرٌ مِنْ مُشْرِكٍ وَلَوْ أَعْجَبَكُمْ ۗ أُولَٰئِكَ يَدْعُونَ إِلَى النَّارِ ۖ وَاللَّهُ يَدْعُو إِلَى الْجَنَّةِ وَالْمَغْفِرَةِ بِإِذْنِهِ ۖ وَيُبَيِّنُ آيَاتِهِ لِلنَّاسِ لَعَلَّهُمْ يَتَذَكَّرُونَ {221**
[Yusufali 2:221] Do not marry unbelieving women (idolaters), until they believe: A slave woman who believes is better than an unbelieving woman, even though she allures you. Nor marry (your girls) to unbelievers until they believe: A man slave who believes is better than an unbeliever, even though he allures you. Unbelievers do (but) beckon you to the Fire. But Allah beckons by His Grace to the Garden (of bliss) and forgiveness, and makes His Signs clear to mankind: That they may celebrate His praise.



reference is Surah Al Baqarah: Ayah 221 which clearly states that a believing slave is better than a wealthy, free citizen mushrik woman, even if the heart is inclined to the mushrik. First the command is to the men that they should not marry mushrik women, then the command is to the wali of muslim females, that their wali , the father/brother should not marry their muslim females to any mushrik man. The reason being: they call muslims to fire, religion has to be compromised, the training of kids will be effected etc. while Allah calls us to Jannah, and Forgiveness by His will.

Also, the mufasireen have stated that this ayah only talks about mushrik women, not about ahle kitab, because of another verse of surah al maidah:


وَالْمُحْصَنَاتُ مِنَ الَّذِينَ أُوتُوا الْكِتَابَ مِنْ قَبْلِكُمْ إِذَا آتَيْتُمُوهُنَّ أُجُورَهُنَّ مُحْصِنِينَ غَيْرَ مُسَافِحِينَ وَلَا مُتَّخِذِي أَخْدَانٍ ۗ

(Lawful unto you in marriage) are (not only) chaste women who are believers, but chaste women among the People of the Book, revealed before your time,- when you give them their due dowers, and desire chastity, not lewdness, nor secret intrigues if any one rejects faith, SURAH AL MAIDAH , VERSE 5

Ibn Abu Hatim said that Ibn `Umar disliked marrying the women from the People of the Scripture. He relied on his own explanation for the Ayah:
﴿وَلاَ تَنْكِحُواْ الْمُشْرِكَـتِ حَتَّى يُؤْمِنَّ﴾

(And do not marry Al-Mushrikat (female idolators) till they believe (worship Allah Alone).

جب قرآن اور حدیث میں صاف حکم سامنے آجاے تو پھر اگر مگر کی کوئی گنجایش نہیں ہوتی.
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[Mughal1]

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وَلَا تَنْكِحُوا الْمُشْرِكَاتِ حَتَّىٰ يُؤْمِنَّ ۚ وَلَأَمَةٌ مُؤْمِنَةٌ خَيْرٌ مِنْ مُشْرِكَةٍ وَلَوْ أَعْجَبَتْكُمْ ۗ وَلَا تُنْكِحُوا الْمُشْرِكِينَ حَتَّىٰ يُؤْمِنُوا ۚ وَلَعَبْدٌ مُؤْمِنٌ خَيْرٌ مِنْ مُشْرِكٍ وَلَوْ أَعْجَبَكُمْ ۗ أُولَٰئِكَ يَدْعُونَ إِلَى النَّارِ ۖ وَاللَّهُ يَدْعُو إِلَى الْجَنَّةِ وَالْمَغْفِرَةِ بِإِذْنِهِ ۖ وَيُبَيِّنُ آيَاتِهِ لِلنَّاسِ لَعَلَّهُمْ يَتَذَكَّرُونَ {221**
[Yusufali 2:221] Do not marry unbelieving women (idolaters), until they believe: A slave woman who believes is better than an unbelieving woman, even though she allures you. Nor marry (your girls) to unbelievers until they believe: A man slave who believes is better than an unbeliever, even though he allures you. Unbelievers do (but) beckon you to the Fire. But Allah beckons by His Grace to the Garden (of bliss) and forgiveness, and makes His Signs clear to mankind: That they may celebrate His praise.



reference is Surah Al Baqarah: Ayah 221 which clearly states that a believing slave is better than a wealthy, free citizen mushrik woman, even if the heart is inclined to the mushrik. First the command is to the men that they should not marry mushrik women, then the command is to the wali of muslim females, that their wali , the father/brother should not marry their muslim females to any mushrik man. The reason being: they call muslims to fire, religion has to be compromised, the training of kids will be effected etc. while Allah calls us to Jannah, and Forgiveness by His will.

Also, the mufasireen have stated that this ayah only talks about mushrik women, not about ahle kitab, because of another verse of surah al maidah:


وَالْمُحْصَنَاتُ مِنَ الَّذِينَ أُوتُوا الْكِتَابَ مِنْ قَبْلِكُمْ إِذَا آتَيْتُمُوهُنَّ أُجُورَهُنَّ مُحْصِنِينَ غَيْرَ مُسَافِحِينَ وَلَا مُتَّخِذِي أَخْدَانٍ ۗ

(Lawful unto you in marriage) are (not only) chaste women who are believers, but chaste women among the People of the Book, revealed before your time,- when you give them their due dowers, and desire chastity, not lewdness, nor secret intrigues if any one rejects faith, SURAH AL MAIDAH , VERSE 5

Ibn Abu Hatim said that Ibn `Umar disliked marrying the women from the People of the Scripture. He relied on his own explanation for the Ayah:
﴿وَلاَ تَنْكِحُواْ الْمُشْرِكَـتِ حَتَّى يُؤْمِنَّ﴾

(And do not marry Al-Mushrikat (female idolators) till they believe (worship Allah Alone).

جب قرآن اور حدیث میں صاف حکم سامنے آجاے تو پھر اگر مگر کی کوئی گنجایش نہیں ہوتی.
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Thank you brother Qaiser for your explanation but it does not explain the verses I have quoted eg

24/3. Let no man guilty of Adultery or fornication marry Any but a woman Similarly guilty, or a mushrikah: Nor let any but such a man Or a mushrik Marry such a woman: To the Believers such a thing Is forbidden.

This verse clearly allows muslim mushrik marriage. Surah 60, 31/14-15 etc.

regards and all the best.