America Welcomes President Ayub
tariisb
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Once Upon a Time
کسی بھی قرانی آیت کا اس سے زیادہ توہین آمیز اظہار کیا ہو گا ،
(thumbsdown)اب آپس کی گپ شپ اور ٹھٹھے مخول کے لیے ، ہم سے یہی ہونا ہے ، اور کوئی تفریح ہی نا بچی
کسی بھی قرانی آیت کا اس سے زیادہ توہین آمیز اظہار کیا ہو گا ،
(thumbsdown)اب آپس کی گپ شپ اور ٹھٹھے مخول کے لیے ، ہم سے یہی ہونا ہے ، اور کوئی تفریح ہی نا بچی
Pak1stani
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Re: Once Upon a Time
ایک نورے پٹواری سے اسکے سوا اور کیا توقع کی جاسکتی سواے ہر قیمت پر اپنے مالک کے جوتے چھاٹنے کے
ایک نورے پٹواری سے اسکے سوا اور کیا توقع کی جاسکتی سواے ہر قیمت پر اپنے مالک کے جوتے چھاٹنے کے
Pak1stani
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Re: Once Upon a Time
Please delete the Ayat from the reply of your post. Thanks
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Re: Once Upon a Time
If Ayub had instead visited USSR/Russia, perhaps Pakistan would have been in a slightly better situation !! And he was used like a tissue paper in the same way US used Musharraf and Zia!!
If Ayub had instead visited USSR/Russia, perhaps Pakistan would have been in a slightly better situation !! And he was used like a tissue paper in the same way US used Musharraf and Zia!!
And Now
Re: Once Upon a Time
Yeh tu aesa lag raha hay k abhi bhaan bhaan kar k obama k galay lag jay ga aur kahay ga bhaya hamain bacha lo.
Yeh tu aesa lag raha hay k abhi bhaan bhaan kar k obama k galay lag jay ga aur kahay ga bhaya hamain bacha lo.
mubashirrao
MPA (400+ posts)
Re: Once Upon a Time
جوکر بھائی ؟ قرآن پاک کی آیات ایسے کوئی اپنی مرضی کے لئے استعمال کیا کرتے ہیں؟
آپ میں اور کافروں میں پھر فرق ہی کیا رہ گیا ہے؟ وہ بھی جہاد کی آیات آوٹ آف کانٹیکسٹ نکال نکال کر اسلام کو بدنام کرتے ہیں اور آپ بھی وہی حرکت کر رہے ھو.
پوری کانٹیکسٹ کے ساتھ آیات کیوں نہیں پوسٹ کی ؟
پوری بات کچھ یوں ہے
اس سوره میں الله لوگوں کو اخلاقی اور جسمانی طور پر عورتوں کے ساتھ بدحرکت سے باز رہنے کا حکم دیتا ہے،
ان آیات کا کانٹیکسٹ آگے پڑھو الله پہلے مومن مردوں کو حکم دے رہا ہے پھر عورتوں کو آپ الله سے معافی مانگیں اور غلطی کا اعتراف کریں اور اسکو انا کا مسلہ بنا کر خدا کا واسطہ ہے ڈیفنڈ نہ کیجیےگا.
استغفراللہ
درخواست ہے آیندہ ایسے مت کیجیےگا بیشک جو مرضی ہو ،
الله ہم سب کو ہدایت دے .
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آپ مسلمان مردوں سے کہہ دیجیئے کہ اپنی نگاہیں نیچی رکھیں اور اپنی شرمگاہوں کی حفاظت کریں یہ ان کے لیے زیادہ صفائی کی بات ہے بے شک الله تعالیٰ کو سب خبر ہے جو کچھ لوگ کیا کرتے ہیں۔
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جوکر بھائی ؟ قرآن پاک کی آیات ایسے کوئی اپنی مرضی کے لئے استعمال کیا کرتے ہیں؟
آپ میں اور کافروں میں پھر فرق ہی کیا رہ گیا ہے؟ وہ بھی جہاد کی آیات آوٹ آف کانٹیکسٹ نکال نکال کر اسلام کو بدنام کرتے ہیں اور آپ بھی وہی حرکت کر رہے ھو.
پوری کانٹیکسٹ کے ساتھ آیات کیوں نہیں پوسٹ کی ؟
پوری بات کچھ یوں ہے
اس سوره میں الله لوگوں کو اخلاقی اور جسمانی طور پر عورتوں کے ساتھ بدحرکت سے باز رہنے کا حکم دیتا ہے،
ان آیات کا کانٹیکسٹ آگے پڑھو الله پہلے مومن مردوں کو حکم دے رہا ہے پھر عورتوں کو آپ الله سے معافی مانگیں اور غلطی کا اعتراف کریں اور اسکو انا کا مسلہ بنا کر خدا کا واسطہ ہے ڈیفنڈ نہ کیجیےگا.
استغفراللہ
درخواست ہے آیندہ ایسے مت کیجیےگا بیشک جو مرضی ہو ،
الله ہم سب کو ہدایت دے .
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Pak1stani
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Re: Once Upon a Time
Welcome a New Noora Patwari.
ویسے تمہارا نورا تو ضیاءکو اپنا روحانی باپ کہتا تھا
Welcome a New Noora Patwari.
ویسے تمہارا نورا تو ضیاءکو اپنا روحانی باپ کہتا تھا
Pakistani1947
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Friends not Masters - President Ayub Khan
The title, as many would have noticed, is one inspired by Field Marshal Ayub Khan’s book,Friends not Masters. However, with the passage of time the Pak-US friendshiphas deteriorated and unfortunately, we are no more their equals.
A stark comparison can be seen between Ayub’s era and the present. In 1961, when the president of Pakistan landed in Washington, the US military forces were lined up to receive him. There was fanfare and the Pakistani flag waved in all its glory above them. The American public was present at the airport alongside the legendary President Kennedy and the First Lady to personally welcome President Ayub.
The two presidents then drove together in the presidential limousine waving to the sea of people who had lined up to see the two heads of state.
This was truly an honour bestowed on our country back then.
However, much has changed and we recently saw the bland arrival of Prime Minister (PM) Nawaz Sharif, who landed in Washington late on Sunday night. I watched with dismay as the TV showed that only two or three US Army personnel, along with some less important US government officials were there to welcome the Premier of The Islamic Republic of Pakistan; while a mere foot-long red carpet was laid out for him to walk on.
President Obama did not receive our Head of State and this, in itself, says a lot about the importance Pakistan has to the US.
Even more shameful was the fact that there seemed to be more Pakistani officials than American ones to welcome Nawaz Sharif! My point is further reiterated by the fact that His Excellency President Obama has taken time out of his busy schedule for our PM only on on October 23, which will be the third day of his four-day visit.
In such circumstances, it is but natural for Pakistanis to be inquisitive and wonder why Nawaz Sharif is in Washington in the first place, especially when our own government says that there are no high expectations from the visit. However, this dilemma was resolved in a statement issued by the US government in which they announced give aid to Pakistan. This statement along with the insipid reception of our Premier, confirms that Pakistan is more of a slave to the US, rather than an important ally.
Coming back to the event at hand, one wonders as to what good this trip will yield for the country. What will it help our government
accomplish? Will Uncle Sam make concessions and listen to us?
Honestly speaking, most of us, including myself, are very cynical about this visit and the reason for such cynicism is quite obvious. America simply does not need to make concessions because as they say, beggars cannot be choosers and Pakistan, unlike Russia, is not in a bargaining position. Moreover, the US aims to strengthen relations with India and making concessions to Pakistan will do nothing for that plan.
As far as drone strikes are concerned, they are another ‘gift’ bestowed on us by the US and despite severe protests, the US administration remains indifferent to the issue. When Obama did not listen to the Nobel Peace Prize nominee and the West’s sweetheart Malala, what makes us think he will listen to Nawaz Sharif? Therefore, one can safely assume – despitethe Amnesty International report that declared the CIA-led campaign is tantamount to war crimes - that the meeting between US officials and PM Sharif will not be about drones strikes, but rather a discussion on post-NATO Afghanistan. Of course, drones will be mentioned and there will be a ceremonial protest against them, but that will be it.
I believe that the US will be eagerly seeking Pakistan’s aid in establishing a pro-American government in Kabul – the meeting has no significance to Pakistan and will not better any Pakistani’s life.
Thus, America is our colonial master and the reason we must see them as so is because the state of Pakistan has, to an extent, lost its sovereignty, especially after the infamous attacks on Salala and the Abbottabad operation. No matter what our government claims, it is not normal for a sovereign state to allow a violation of its airspace.
Terror-stricken as we are, it is imperative to tell America to stop the drone attacks which are counter-productive and obstruct peace talks. Since America solved its issue through dialogue in Afghanistan, Pakistan should be given a similar chance as well.
Hence, I would like to remind my people that it is not aid that we receive from America, it is compensation for fighting their war. Yet, since this compensation has sadly been termed as aid, we feel indebted to the US and the Us, in turn, feels entitled.
Such a relation in which the two parties do not meet as equals can never be termed as ‘friendship’ – it is nothing short of colonialism.
Thus, it would not be wrong to claim that the US is more of our master than our friend.
Source
The title, as many would have noticed, is one inspired by Field Marshal Ayub Khan’s book,Friends not Masters. However, with the passage of time the Pak-US friendshiphas deteriorated and unfortunately, we are no more their equals.
A stark comparison can be seen between Ayub’s era and the present. In 1961, when the president of Pakistan landed in Washington, the US military forces were lined up to receive him. There was fanfare and the Pakistani flag waved in all its glory above them. The American public was present at the airport alongside the legendary President Kennedy and the First Lady to personally welcome President Ayub.
Washington DC — President Kennedy and Jackie Kennedy welcome President Ayub Khan of Pakistan at Andrews Air Force Base.
This was truly an honour bestowed on our country back then.
However, much has changed and we recently saw the bland arrival of Prime Minister (PM) Nawaz Sharif, who landed in Washington late on Sunday night. I watched with dismay as the TV showed that only two or three US Army personnel, along with some less important US government officials were there to welcome the Premier of The Islamic Republic of Pakistan; while a mere foot-long red carpet was laid out for him to walk on.
President Obama did not receive our Head of State and this, in itself, says a lot about the importance Pakistan has to the US.
Even more shameful was the fact that there seemed to be more Pakistani officials than American ones to welcome Nawaz Sharif! My point is further reiterated by the fact that His Excellency President Obama has taken time out of his busy schedule for our PM only on on October 23, which will be the third day of his four-day visit.
In such circumstances, it is but natural for Pakistanis to be inquisitive and wonder why Nawaz Sharif is in Washington in the first place, especially when our own government says that there are no high expectations from the visit. However, this dilemma was resolved in a statement issued by the US government in which they announced give aid to Pakistan. This statement along with the insipid reception of our Premier, confirms that Pakistan is more of a slave to the US, rather than an important ally.
Coming back to the event at hand, one wonders as to what good this trip will yield for the country. What will it help our government
accomplish? Will Uncle Sam make concessions and listen to us?
Honestly speaking, most of us, including myself, are very cynical about this visit and the reason for such cynicism is quite obvious. America simply does not need to make concessions because as they say, beggars cannot be choosers and Pakistan, unlike Russia, is not in a bargaining position. Moreover, the US aims to strengthen relations with India and making concessions to Pakistan will do nothing for that plan.
As far as drone strikes are concerned, they are another ‘gift’ bestowed on us by the US and despite severe protests, the US administration remains indifferent to the issue. When Obama did not listen to the Nobel Peace Prize nominee and the West’s sweetheart Malala, what makes us think he will listen to Nawaz Sharif? Therefore, one can safely assume – despitethe Amnesty International report that declared the CIA-led campaign is tantamount to war crimes - that the meeting between US officials and PM Sharif will not be about drones strikes, but rather a discussion on post-NATO Afghanistan. Of course, drones will be mentioned and there will be a ceremonial protest against them, but that will be it.
I believe that the US will be eagerly seeking Pakistan’s aid in establishing a pro-American government in Kabul – the meeting has no significance to Pakistan and will not better any Pakistani’s life.
Thus, America is our colonial master and the reason we must see them as so is because the state of Pakistan has, to an extent, lost its sovereignty, especially after the infamous attacks on Salala and the Abbottabad operation. No matter what our government claims, it is not normal for a sovereign state to allow a violation of its airspace.
Terror-stricken as we are, it is imperative to tell America to stop the drone attacks which are counter-productive and obstruct peace talks. Since America solved its issue through dialogue in Afghanistan, Pakistan should be given a similar chance as well.
Hence, I would like to remind my people that it is not aid that we receive from America, it is compensation for fighting their war. Yet, since this compensation has sadly been termed as aid, we feel indebted to the US and the Us, in turn, feels entitled.
Such a relation in which the two parties do not meet as equals can never be termed as ‘friendship’ – it is nothing short of colonialism.
Thus, it would not be wrong to claim that the US is more of our master than our friend.
Source
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Pakistani1947
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Friends not Masters - President Ayub Khan
Top: Nawaz Shareef (urf Noora) and President Obama
Botom: President Ayub Khan and President Johnson
Top: Nawaz Shareef (urf Noora) and President Obama
Botom: President Ayub Khan and President Johnson
muntazir
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Friends not Masters - President Ayub Khan
کتنی جنگیں جیتی ہیں ایوب خان نے جو وہ فیلڈ مارشل بن گے تھے ? آپ بتائیں گے اور دوسرا صرف ضیاء ہو یا ایوب یہی آپ کو کیوں پسند ہیں مشرف کیوں نہیں میرے خیال میں تو جو بھی آمریت لیکر آے سب برابر ہیں سب کو سزا ہونی چاہے یہ ہیرو نہیں زیرو ہیں
Top: Nawaz Shareef (urf Noora) and President Obama
Botom: President Ayub Khan and President Johnson
کتنی جنگیں جیتی ہیں ایوب خان نے جو وہ فیلڈ مارشل بن گے تھے ? آپ بتائیں گے اور دوسرا صرف ضیاء ہو یا ایوب یہی آپ کو کیوں پسند ہیں مشرف کیوں نہیں میرے خیال میں تو جو بھی آمریت لیکر آے سب برابر ہیں سب کو سزا ہونی چاہے یہ ہیرو نہیں زیرو ہیں
Pakistani1947
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Pakistani President Ayub Khan visits America - A rare video (1961)
Pakistani1947
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
The Decade of Development - Ayub's 10 Years
General Muhammad Ayub Khan took over the reins of the country at a time when the political system of the country had almost collapsed and within 9 years of creation of Pakistan, 9 prime ministers had been appointed. When Sikander Mirza tried to make Ayub Khan the scapegoat after proclaiming martial law in 1958, Ayub overthrew him and sent him in exile (where he stayed till his death) and himself took over as the president in October 1958 and ruled Pakistan for almost ten years.
During his regime, Pakistan developed into a progressive country and much of the development, specially in the field of industrial sector which is repaying Pakistan in handsome exports revenues even till date, were established in Ayub's time.
Some mega projects like the construction of Mangla Dam, the Karachi Steel Mills, oil refineries and above all construction of a new capital at Islamabad are also credited to him.
General Muhammad Ayub Khan took over the reins of the country at a time when the political system of the country had almost collapsed and within 9 years of creation of Pakistan, 9 prime ministers had been appointed. When Sikander Mirza tried to make Ayub Khan the scapegoat after proclaiming martial law in 1958, Ayub overthrew him and sent him in exile (where he stayed till his death) and himself took over as the president in October 1958 and ruled Pakistan for almost ten years.
During his regime, Pakistan developed into a progressive country and much of the development, specially in the field of industrial sector which is repaying Pakistan in handsome exports revenues even till date, were established in Ayub's time.
Some mega projects like the construction of Mangla Dam, the Karachi Steel Mills, oil refineries and above all construction of a new capital at Islamabad are also credited to him.
Re: Friends not Masters - President Ayub Khan
اس کہتے ہیں قوم کا زوال
اب قوم اور کتنا نیچے گرے گی یہ ہم سب کو سوچنے کی ضرورت ہے
ایسے ضمیر فروش
اور کرپٹ قیادت کے ہوتے ہوۓ فلاحال کچھ بھی ممکن نہیں
باقی آپ کی مرضی
یہاں چند لوگ صرف اس لیے ایک اچھے نڈر لیڈر کی بے توقیری کرتے ہیں کے شام کو انکو نوٹ مل سکیں
ابے بے غیرتوں تمہارا باپ کہتا ہے کے
اے طائر لاہوتی اس رزق سے موت اچھی
جس رزق سے آتی ہو پرواز میں کوتاہی
اب قوم اور کتنا نیچے گرے گی یہ ہم سب کو سوچنے کی ضرورت ہے
ایسے ضمیر فروش
اور کرپٹ قیادت کے ہوتے ہوۓ فلاحال کچھ بھی ممکن نہیں
باقی آپ کی مرضی
یہاں چند لوگ صرف اس لیے ایک اچھے نڈر لیڈر کی بے توقیری کرتے ہیں کے شام کو انکو نوٹ مل سکیں
ابے بے غیرتوں تمہارا باپ کہتا ہے کے
اے طائر لاہوتی اس رزق سے موت اچھی
جس رزق سے آتی ہو پرواز میں کوتاہی
muntazir
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: The Decade of Development - Ayub's 10 Years
oo paai jo gul puch hay ooda jawab dey warna is forum per aaney ka kia faida koi aur site banaoo jhaan sab hi woh hoon ?
oo paai jo gul puch hay ooda jawab dey warna is forum per aaney ka kia faida koi aur site banaoo jhaan sab hi woh hoon ?
uetian
Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: Friends not Masters - President Ayub Khan
Ayub Khan bayshak Pakistan ko chand per bhi lay jata,, tab bhi usko aik jurm say kabhi muafi nahi milni:
Mohtarma Fatima Jinaah kay khilaf sadarti intikhabi mohimm mein Ayub Khan nay jo kuchh kia, usay us ka silaa mila thha 1969 mein!! laiken baqi Pakistan aaj tak bhugat raha hay.
Ayub Khan bayshak Pakistan ko chand per bhi lay jata,, tab bhi usko aik jurm say kabhi muafi nahi milni:
Mohtarma Fatima Jinaah kay khilaf sadarti intikhabi mohimm mein Ayub Khan nay jo kuchh kia, usay us ka silaa mila thha 1969 mein!! laiken baqi Pakistan aaj tak bhugat raha hay.
Raaz
(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Re: Friends not Masters - President Ayub Khan
آج مولیوں کو ایوب کیوں یاد آنے لگا ، مولویوں کو نا کچھ پتہ ہے نا ان کی یاداشت ہے
بھائی تمہارا کام فوٹو کاپی مشن چلانا ہے ، وہ تم کر رہے ہو چاہے وہ حدیثیں ہوں یا قرآن یا ایوب و ضیاء
اسی ایوب کے خلاف مودودی نے تحریک چلائی تھی ، ایوب کتا ہاۓ ہاے
اسی ایوب نے فاطمہ جناح کو دھاندلی سے ہروایا تھا
امریکہ نے پہلی مرتبہ اسی دور میں ہمارے فوجیوں کو اپنے دام میں گرفتار کیا تھا ، اس لئے آپ کو عزت افزائی نذر آ رہی ہے
مختصرا
آج مولیوں کو ایوب کیوں یاد آنے لگا ، مولویوں کو نا کچھ پتہ ہے نا ان کی یاداشت ہے
بھائی تمہارا کام فوٹو کاپی مشن چلانا ہے ، وہ تم کر رہے ہو چاہے وہ حدیثیں ہوں یا قرآن یا ایوب و ضیاء
اسی ایوب کے خلاف مودودی نے تحریک چلائی تھی ، ایوب کتا ہاۓ ہاے
اسی ایوب نے فاطمہ جناح کو دھاندلی سے ہروایا تھا
امریکہ نے پہلی مرتبہ اسی دور میں ہمارے فوجیوں کو اپنے دام میں گرفتار کیا تھا ، اس لئے آپ کو عزت افزائی نذر آ رہی ہے
مختصرا
Raaz
(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Re: Friends not Masters - President Ayub Khan
دھندلی سے وزیر عظم بننے والے کی کیا عزت ہے ، نواز کو پتہ ہونا چاہے
یہ ہر جگہ مانگتا پھرتا ہے پھر جب امریکی پاکستان آتے ہیں تو گولڈن صوفوں پر بیٹھ کر شو مارتا ہے ، اپنا محل دکھاتا ہے
کیا یہ دوسروں کو پاگل سمجھتا ہے ؟؟
دھندلی سے وزیر عظم بننے والے کی کیا عزت ہے ، نواز کو پتہ ہونا چاہے
یہ ہر جگہ مانگتا پھرتا ہے پھر جب امریکی پاکستان آتے ہیں تو گولڈن صوفوں پر بیٹھ کر شو مارتا ہے ، اپنا محل دکھاتا ہے
کیا یہ دوسروں کو پاگل سمجھتا ہے ؟؟
