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arifkarim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
When u send money to Pakistan such as in USD, is ur family getting in USD? If in Rs then from where is the money coming?
Dude remittances come in foreign money such as dollar and is converted to rupees by banks or money exchangers. Original dollars stay in the open forex market as it's all electronic money. We overseas Pakistanis don't send remittances as cash to Pakistan anymore
 

Okara

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Dude remittances come in foreign money such as dollar and is converted to rupees by banks or money exchangers. Original dollars stay in the open forex market as it's all electronic money. We overseas Pakistanis don't send remittances as cash to Pakistan anymore
On what basis the conversion is done? As the money remains with government then from where government is paying for the USD?
 

arifkarim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Banks or money exchanges do it. Original remittances money stay in open forex market
Exactly. Local Pakistanis don't use foreign currency such as dollars for trade and payments. That's why banks and money changers keep foreign currency that come as remittances and convert it to rupees for local Pakistani users. Okara bro please study how it works
 

Okara

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Exactly. Local Pakistanis don't use foreign currency such as dollars for trade and payments. That's why banks and money changers keep foreign currency that come as remittances and convert it to rupees for local Pakistani users. Okara bro please study how it works
Let's assume you are government of Pakistan and keeping USD, from where you will pay in Pak Rs? Keep in mind your source of earning is Taxes?
 

arifkarim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
On what basis the conversion is done? As the money remains with government then from where government is paying for the USD?
Foreign money remains in the central bank, commercial banks and money exchangers. Govt pays its external debt through primarily Central Bank but can choose to take money from commercial banks in an emergency. Pakistan did so right after 1998 nuclear tests when it froze all foreign currency accounts in commercial banks
 
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arifkarim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Let's assume you are government of Pakistan and keeping USD, from where you will pay in Pak Rs? Keep in mind your source of earning is Taxes?
Govt doesn't pay external debt from its own accounts. It takes the USD from Central Bank reserves. And if emergency from commercial banks foreign currency accounts.
Govt however does pay debt repayments in PKR from its own accounts to local commercial banks, money that it collects through taxation
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Okara

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Govt doesn't pay external debt from its own accounts. It takes the USD from Central Bank reserves. And if emergency from commercial banks foreign currency accounts.
Govt however payback local debt in PKR from its own accounts to commercial banks, money that it collects through taxation View attachment 4945
As the earning of government is in Pak Rs then how they are able to get USD from State Bank?
 

Siberite

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
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arifkarim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
As the earning of government is in Pak Rs then how they are able to get USD from State Bank?
State Bank or central bank is where Pakistan keeps all its foreign exchange reserves. That's the money being looted / destroyed by past govts when they artificially overvalued PKR at the cost of depleting reserves, bankrupting economy every 5 years
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This govt has now passed new legislation under orders from the IMF to ensure current and future govts won't be allowed to do that disaster again. Now govts can only use state bank reserves to pay debt repayments. Nothing else.
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shujauddin

Minister (2k+ posts)
Bhosree This is how it is :

U gain 5 percent of one thing by losing 80 percent of another? The economy is totally destroyed.
5% percent growth compared to Rupee's depreciation at 100 % inflation rate of more than 13 percent, thats a lost game man.

Its like this Youthia: You are bragging that you scored 5 goals in soccer but what you are not telling/acknowledging is that the other team has scored 10 goals against you and have already won the match ! aap panch gol apni gaaf may logay? similarly 5 percent growth is nothing compared to the overall damage they have caused to the country and its economy.
 

Okara

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
State Bank or central bank is where Pakistan keep all its foreign exchange reserves. That's the money being looted / destroyed by past govts when they artificially overvalued PKR at the cost of depleting reserves, bankrupting economy every 5 years View attachment 4947

This govt has now passed new legislation under orders from the IMF to ensure current and future govts won't be allowed to do that disaster again
Wake up Pak zaheer2003 miafridi The Sane
The remittances are in USD and lets assume if this USD is used by Government of Pakistan then from where the government is getting Pak Rs given to end users against the USD?
 

arifkarim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
The remittances are in USD and lets assume if this USD is used by Government of Pakistan then from where the government is getting Pak Rs given to end users against the USD?
Again read here. Every country has a forex market which is part of international forex market. Anybody can buy and sell any currency in that market.

If State bank believes value of Pakistani currency is too high, it can print and sell rupees in exchange for dollars in the open market thus lowering its price. Reverse is done when State Bank believes value of the currency is too low. Then it sells its dollar reserves in exchange for rupee in the open market, thus increasing its price. It's all demand and supply basic economics. Money and currencies are continuously in circulation. It's their demand / supply that decides their worth
 

arifkarim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
5% percent growth compared to Rupee's depreciation at 100 %
Bhosree Khotay Patwari
When you artificially overvalue rupee for 4 long years, depleting foreign exchange reserves in the process, what do you thing is gonna happen? You either go bankrupt or forced to devalue currency to stabilize the economy. Govt could have declared the country bankrupt in 2018 but instead chose less painful option of devaluation. Bankruptcy is the worst thing that can happen. If you want to see what happens after bankruptcy, check economy of Lebanon or Venezuela. There inflation hit 100 to 1000 percent after declaring bankruptcy Khotay Patwari
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Okara

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Again read here. Every country has a forex market which is part of international forex market. Anybody can buy and sell any currency in that market.

If State bank believes value of Pakistani currency is too high, it can print and sell rupees in exchange for dollars in the open market thus lowering its price. Reverse is done when State Bank believes value of the currency is too low. Then it sells its dollar reserves in exchange for rupee in the open market, thus increasing its price. It's all demand and supply basic economics. Money and currencies are continuously in circulation. It's their demand / supply that decides their worth
No more argument. U don't want to give answer to my question. If government can print money then what is the purpose of collecting Tax?
Also if I am money exchanger in Pakistan and buying USD and paying Pak Rs then I am the owner of USD and government and this can't be counted as reserve.
 

arifkarim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
No more argument. U don't want to give answer to my question. If government can print money then what is the purpose of collecting Tax?
Govt cannot print money. Only state bank can to cover the budget deficit of the govt. This money printing causes massive inflation. That's why IMF ordered current govt to make a law and stop this practice of budget funding through the printing press of state bank
 

arifkarim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Also if I am money exchanger in Pakistan and buying USD and paying Pak Rs then I am the owner of USD and government and this can't be counted as reserve.
That's right. Foreign currency held by commercial banks or money exchanges is not considered state bank reserves. That's why they are counted separately.
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Okara

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
That's right. Foreign currency held by commercial banks or money exchanges is not considered state bank reserves. That's why they are counted separately. View attachment 4954
Let's assume if government wanted to borrow this USD from commercial bank, will they pay them in Pak Rs or USD? Also what will be source of money of GoP to pay back loan. Printing of currency is not a solution else US might have done this instead of having over USD100tr loan.
 

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