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جیسا کہ کافی عرصہ سے ہم سب نعمت شاہ ولی کی پیشن گوئیاں زید حامد اور اوریا مقبول جان جیسے لوگوں کی زبانی سن رہے ہیں مگر اتفاق سے کل مجھے نعمت شاہ ولی کا کلام پڑھنے کا شرف حاصل ہوا یقین جانیے حیرت سے ہکا بکا رہ گیا نعمت شاہ ولی کے کلام کے چند آخری صفحات میں زمانہ حال کا ذکر ہے جس کے مطابق امریکی فوج افغانستان سے واپس نہیں جا پا یے گی اور گزوہ ہند ہونے ہی والی ہے

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ahmadalikhan

MPA (400+ posts)
and i tell u compiler H.Sarwar Nizami sb is very very authentic source due to Hazrat Amanat Ali Shah r.a. sab. even first few pages of book are same as in book 'Asrar-r-Maarfat' by him , here is complete book link

800-years-predictions-hazrat-naimat.html
http://spiritual-pakistan-future.blogspot.com/2011/01/800-years-predictions-hazrat-naimat.html

Asrar-e-Maarafat is a famous book explaining Falsafa Wahadatul Wajood and other same topics , and these are Khutbaat of Friday prayers by Hazrat Amanat Ali Shah Chishti Nizami sb. its truely an amazing book.
 
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Pakistani1947

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Nobody has the knowledge of unseen (غیب) except Allah

Have you ever thought....Why Allah did not give power to Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) to have knowledge of unseen (علم الغیب) but still there are Muslims who believe that Peer, Walis, Durwaish has the knowledge of unseen (علم الغیب) despite the Qur'aanic verse:

قُل لَّا يَعْلَمُ مَن فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ الْغَيْبَ إِلَّا اللَّهُ ۚ وَمَا يَشْعُرُونَ أَيَّانَ يُبْعَثُونَ
Yusuf Ali 65: Say: None in the heavens or on earth, except Allah, knows what is hidden: nor can they perceive when they shall be raised up (for Judgment). [Al-Naml 27:65]
کہہ دے الله کے سوا آسمانوں اور زمین میں کوئی بھی غیب کی بات نہیں جانتا اور انہیں اس کی بھی خبر نہیں کہ کب اٹھائے جائیں گے

The correct believe is only Allah informs his Messengers, whenever he wants to, via Wahee (وحی) about Ghaib. Hence Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) would not know about Ghaib (غیب) unless Allah informs him (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم).


Quran 72:26-27

عَالِمُ الْغَيْبِ فَلَا يُظْهِرُ عَلَىٰ غَيْبِهِ أَحَدًا-إِلَّا مَنِ ارْتَضَىٰ مِن رَّسُولٍ فَإِنَّهُ يَسْلُكُ مِن بَيْنِ يَدَيْهِ وَمِنْ خَلْفِهِ رَصَدًا
Yusuf Ali 26-27: "He (alone) knows the Unseen, nor does He make any one acquainted with His Mysteries,- "Except an apostle whom He has chosen: and then He makes a band of watchers march before him and behind him,
وہ غیب جاننے والا ہے اپنے غائب کی باتوں پر کسی کو واقف نہیں کرتا- مگر اپنے پسندیدہ رسول کو پھراس کے آگے اور پیچھے محافظ مقرر کر دیتا ہے

Following Hadeeth narrates once Bibi Aisha (Razi Allah Talah Unhun) was wrongly accused and Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) were very worried and had no way of knowing the truth until Allah revealed the Verses (concerning the matter):


Narrated Masruq: I asked Um Ruman, 'Aisha's mother about the accusation forged against 'Aisha. She said, "While I was sitting with 'Aisha, an Ansari woman came to us and said, 'Let Allah condemn such-and-such person.' I asked her, 'Why do you say so?' She replied, 'For he has spread the (slanderous) story.' 'Aisha said, 'What story?' The woman then told her the story. 'Aisha asked, 'Have Abu Bakr and Allah's Apostle heard about it ?' She said, 'Yes.' 'Aisha fell down senseless (on hearing that), and when she came to her senses, she got fever and shaking of the body. The Prophet came and asked, 'What is wrong with her?' I said, 'She has got fever because of a story which has been rumored.' 'Aisha got up and said, 'By Allah! Even if I took an oath, you would not believe me, and if I put forward an excuse, You would not excuse me. My example and your example is just like that example of Jacob and his sons. Against that which you assert, it is Allah (Alone) Whose Help can be sought.' (12.18) The Prophet left and then Allah revealed the Verses (concerning the matter), and on that 'Aisha said, 'Thanks to Allah (only) and not to anybody else." (Sahih Bukhari, Book #55, Hadith #602)

The correct believe is that the Silsila of Wahee (وحی) has been discontinued since the death of Prophet Muhhamd (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم). Hence anybody who claims that he has revelation from Allah about Ghaib (غیب) is Kazzaab (کذاب).

There are very serious implication of holding wrong belief is that many hopefuls, Durwaish, Peer, Wali, have launched their religious careers (fan following) by making claim that they have the knowledge of unseen (غیب). Almost all our Sufi ‘saints’ have established their credibility, and their thrones, by doing this. They first claim to have seen the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) in their dreams, then they say they are in direct contact with him, then they claim they have been divinely inspired, and then they build their economic empires which they leave to their successors.
 
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crankthskunk

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I had been waiting for someone to quote this book by Nizami which is also been included by Zaid Hamid on Brasstack.

Is there any source of Nizami's work? I mean where did he get this book from Naimat Shah? Any historical source? Any original manuscripts? or manuscripts going back to the time of Naimat Shah?

Please give me the link or source or place I can buy or look at the original manuscripts. I am preparing some articles on Zaid Hamid, I need the source. If you can not and Nizami can not prove where he get this book, then how can you trust it is written at the time of Naimat Shah? And not written after the events linking the history, by someone in near past?

Please do not try be emotional, I am doing a scholarly enquiry. Nizami saying he has some of the couplets but not all of them or complete set, does not makes it authentic or the true writings/sayings of Naimat Shah.
 

ahmadalikhan

MPA (400+ posts)
I had been waiting for someone to quote this book by Nizami which is also been included by Zaid Hamid on Brasstack.

Is there any source of Nizami's work? I mean where did he get this book from Naimat Shah? Any historical source? Any original manuscripts? or manuscripts going back to the time of Naimat Shah?

Please give me the link or source or place I can buy or look at the original manuscripts. I am preparing some articles on Zaid Hamid, I need the source. If you can not and Nizami can not prove where he get this book, then how can you trust it is written at the time of Naimat Shah? And not written after the events linking the history, by someone in near past?

Please do not try be emotional, I am doing a scholarly enquiry. Nizami saying he has some of the couplets but not all of them or complete set, does not makes it authentic or the true writings/sayings of Naimat Shah.

If u believe Hazarat Meher Ali Shah r.a. Gholra Sharif Isb authentic and definitely he is , read his book Saif-e-Chishtiai (written against Qaidianis) in almost 1930, Meher Ali shah r.a. mentioned a bait (farsi shair) of Hazrat Naimat r.a. in his book that is

"Mein waqt ke Imam aur Issa a.s. ko iss shakhs mein dekh rha hun"
and then Hazrat Meher ali shah r.a. explained it

Saif-e-Chishtiai is an authentic book and it contains bait of Hazrat Naimat ullah shah Wali r.a. which was included in Nizami sb's book. What more authenticity you want?
 

Pakistani1947

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I had been waiting for someone to quote this book by Nizami which is also been included by Zaid Hamid on Brasstack.

Is there any source of Nizami's work? I mean where did he get this book from Naimat Shah? Any historical source? Any original manuscripts? or manuscripts going back to the time of Naimat Shah?

Please give me the link or source or place I can buy or look at the original manuscripts. I am preparing some articles on Zaid Hamid, I need the source. If you can not and Nizami can not prove where he get this book, then how can you trust it is written at the time of Naimat Shah? And not written after the events linking the history, by someone in near past?

Please do not try be emotional, I am doing a scholarly enquiry. Nizami saying he has some of the couplets but not all of them or complete set, does not makes it authentic or the true writings/sayings of Naimat Shah.

Crankthskunk, does it matter whether these are true writings/sayings of Naimat Shah. Naimat Shah was not a Prophet.


The correct believe is that the Silsila of Wahee (وحی) has been discontinued since the death of Prophet Muhhamd (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم). Hence anybody who claims that he has revelation from Allah about Ghaib (غیب) is Kazzaab (کذاب).

May Allah give hidayat to this deviated nation (Aameen).
 

ahmadalikhan

MPA (400+ posts)
I had been waiting for someone to quote this book by Nizami which is also been included by Zaid Hamid on Brasstack.

Is there any source of Nizami's work? I mean where did he get this book from Naimat Shah? Any historical source? Any original manuscripts? or manuscripts going back to the time of Naimat Shah?

Please give me the link or source or place I can buy or look at the original manuscripts. I am preparing some articles on Zaid Hamid, I need the source. If you can not and Nizami can not prove where he get this book, then how can you trust it is written at the time of Naimat Shah? And not written after the events linking the history, by someone in near past?

Please do not try be emotional, I am doing a scholarly enquiry. Nizami saying he has some of the couplets but not all of them or complete set, does not makes it authentic or the true writings/sayings of Naimat Shah.

And I tell u, dont write anything against Nizami sb , Hafiz Muhammad Sarwar Nizami sb who himself was a Wali Allah and His mentor Hazrat Amanat Ali Shah sb was a famous Wali Allah of his time , he must have thousands of followers , and Hazrat Meher Ali Shah r.a, you should know him very well. Plz dont write against them otherwise Allah's Azab will come on. bcos Aulia Allah are friends of Allah. Plz brother its my request to u.
 

ahmadalikhan

MPA (400+ posts)

Crankthskunk, does it matter whether these are true writings/sayings of Naimat Shah. Naimat Shah was not a Prophet.


The correct believe is that the Silsila of Wahee (وحی) has been discontinued since the death of Prophet Muhhamd (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم). Hence anybody who claims that he has revelation from Allah about Ghaib (غیب) is Kazzaab (کذاب).

May Allah give hidayat to this deviated nation (Aameen).

brother, Plz try to understand, its not wahee, its God's gift for his friends (Aulia Allah ya Allah ke naik bande jo Allah ki nazar mein naik hon), vo bhi utna jitna Allah unhain de.
Allama Iqbal mentioned this in Jawab-e-Shikwah
109.GIF


Loh o kalam means vo jagha Jahan sub decisions likhe hote hain.
 

Raaz

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
@ Pakistani1947,

Just a moth back , Osama was Gaib , and we domt know....same words ...do we know Ilm e gaib ?

But Americans got him...

Same way , dhoondne wale dhoondh lete hain ....

Poochne wale Allah se pooch lete hein...

Defintely u r right ....Only Alllah Tallh has all knowledge of hazir and Gaieb....

But he never said that dont ask me ...We are Allah's Khaleefa , there is no communication gap, even after Wahi...

The link is established through server....get it if u have ability....

It is same system of internet...Main server is Allah Tallah, and nodes and hubs are prophets....
 

basim973

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
and i tell u compiler H.Sarwar Nizami sb is very very authentic source due to Hazrat Amanat Ali Shah r.a. sab. even first few pages of book are same as in book 'Asrar-r-Maarfat' by him , here is complete book link

800-years-predictions-hazrat-naimat.html
http://spiritual-pakistan-future.blogspot.com/2011/01/800-years-predictions-hazrat-naimat.html

Asrar-e-Maarafat is a famous book explaining Falsafa Wahadatul Wajood and other same topics , and these are Khutbaat of Friday prayers by Hazrat Amanat Ali Shah Chishti Nizami sb. its truely an amazing book.

Asalam Alykum
Pakistan is a great blessing and rehmet for us Muslims and It'll be in exisiance as long as Allah Wills and if He decides to desolve it then no one can stop that to happen. This is my belief and I love this blessing of Allah and thankful to my lord but by no means i worship Pakistan....it is a piece of land like any other piece of land if the law of Allah is not applied on this piece of land then why and how this is sacred then any other piece of land like india etc.

Now about Niatmat Allah SHah Wali and sayings of Zaid Hamid..............
Those who donot know Zaid Hamid then visit http://zaidhamidexposition.org/ ....he is a very controversial personality who misguides on the love of Pakistan ......... be careful.........it corresponds to me like shia misguides on the love of Hazrat Hussain RA

Zaid Hamid did few programs on Niatmat Allah Shah Wali Qaseeda some time ago and http://www.pakistankakhudahafiz.com/ published those on their web page and because of loads of follow ups on the shirk in the qaseeda and programs of Zaid Hamid .....http://www.pakistankakhudahafiz.com/ had to take these site with programs off from the web site without any convincing calrifiaction..........

I ask a simple question, can loving Pakistan alone get any one to Junnah? If any one end up in hell fire what matters to him whether Pakistan remains or not?

Think wisely and donot loose your Ahkirat by just buying mere shirk on the love of Pakistan.........................

May Allah Guide us all
 
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basim973

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
@ Pakistani1947,

Just a moth back , Osama was Gaib , and we domt know....same words ...do we know Ilm e gaib ?

But Americans got him...

Same way , dhoondne wale dhoondh lete hain ....

Poochne wale Allah se pooch lete hein...

Defintely u r right ....Only Alllah Tallh has all knowledge of hazir and Gaieb....

But he never said that dont ask me ...We are Allah's Khaleefa , there is no communication gap, even after Wahi...

The link is established through server....get it if u have ability....

It is same system of internet...Main server is Allah Tallah, and nodes and hubs are prophets....
Please donot compare Allah (SWT) with any thing ..... as there is nothing like Allah............
 

basim973

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
brother, Plz try to understand, its not wahee, its God's gift for his friends (Aulia Allah ya Allah ke naik bande jo Allah ki nazar mein naik hon), vo bhi utna jitna Allah unhain de.
Allama Iqbal mentioned this in Jawab-e-Shikwah
109.GIF


Loh o kalam means vo jagha Jahan sub decisions likhe hote hain.

Who is Allah's friend only Allah knows, did these wali Allah named were mentioned in Quran or any Saheeh Hadith then these are are self made or men made walis and you know the proportion of error of manly matters...........save your Akhirat and learn Islam and not sufism
 

Raaz

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Please donot compare Allah (SWT) with any thing ..... as there is nothing like Allah............

Who is comparing with Allah?

But humans do have ralation with Allah Tala except the relation of creation and creator.That is Kheleefa of Allah...and exibits the qualities of Allah Talal at lower level.Except few....
 

Salik

Senator (1k+ posts)
(omg)
I had been waiting for someone to quote this book by Nizami which is also been included by Zaid Hamid on Brasstack.

Is there any source of Nizami's work? I mean where did he get this book from Naimat Shah? Any historical source? Any original manuscripts? or manuscripts going back to the time of Naimat Shah?

Please give me the link or source or place I can buy or look at the original manuscripts. I am preparing some articles on Zaid Hamid, I need the source. If you can not and Nizami can not prove where he get this book, then how can you trust it is written at the time of Naimat Shah? And not written after the events linking the history, by someone in near past?

Please do not try be emotional, I am doing a scholarly enquiry. Nizami saying he has some of the couplets but not all of them or complete set, does not makes it authentic or the true writings/sayings of Naimat Shah.

Scholarly enquiry???? and you!!! (omg)
Wud be interesting to see...

I hope you can put your inner bias aside when you do some "scholarly research" and achieve at least some quality to qualify to read :) ...
 

crankthskunk

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
And I tell u, dont write anything against Nizami sb , Hafiz Muhammad Sarwar Nizami sb who himself was a Wali Allah and His mentor Hazrat Amanat Ali Shah sb was a famous Wali Allah of his time , he must have thousands of followers , and Hazrat Meher Ali Shah r.a, you should know him very well. Plz dont write against them otherwise Allah's Azab will come on. bcos Aulia Allah are friends of Allah. Plz brother its my request to u.



I told you not to get emotional. I didn't say anything about anybody I have put a scholarly question. Nizami claimed these are the writings of Naimat Shah, if he claims he should be able to show proofs. Thats all. Is this an unfair question?

What if they are not the writings of Naimat Shah, then it could have been written well after his death more likely in the recent past by someone, who has seen all the events of the history and then decided to write couplet about them and then associated it to Naimat Shah. It is a very real possibility.

Look at the effect, First Nizami wrote the books, and many people got hooked to the bait, without making inquiries whether it is true or not. First of all thousands may have been mislead thinking and believing super natural capacity of Naimat Shah to see in the future and predict it with such accuracy.

Now, Zaid Hamid is using the same and misleading people and urging them, and making money I must add. I am only asking, is there a solid basis to believe and support if these are true writings of Naimat Shah or it is written by someone later on, much later on, after the events.

This is a clearly a reasonable request. For example I did the research on the books of Mirza and proven that the prophecies about the death of both his father and brother were written well after their actual death by Mirza. Many people write about his prophecies, but used the conjecture. My articles and evidence is not based on conjecture but solid proofs which can stand up to legal scrutiny in a court of Law, without shadow of any doubt. I am waiting for a supporter of Mirza to take me to the courts and I will destroy the Qadianat forever.

If Muslims can be misguided because of some publications which are written well after the events then it is reasonable to ask for the source and timing of the printing/writing of these prophecies. I have said it publicly I firmly believe that Zaid Hamid is fake; I have plenty of proofs to demonstrate it. I am working on more evidence. When I finished I will present it to show very clearly, Zaid Hamid is still on wrong path and following similar agenda like of Youssuf Kazzab.

I dont know Nizami that much, but I may know the other gentlemen Mazhar Ali Shah. Is this the same gentleman who appears sometimes on different Islamic channels in the UK?

Look, please dont use this language Allah SWT azab would be on me.
I say, this I have shown proofs from the Holy Quran, Prophet Muhammad SAW did not have knowledge of the unseen i.e. AlimulGhaib. For me according to the decrees of the Holy Quran nobody can be more important than our Prophet SAW, not even any other Prophet, they al have given their Solemn pledge to succour him SAW and their followers have to follow the revelations given to Prophet Muhammad SAW i.e. the Holy Quran. Thats why he SAW was selected as the last Prophet and holy Quran as last revelation, so nobody can ever until the day of the Judgement can override the revelations received by Prophet SAW or supersedes his authority even in little matter. For me the Holy Quran is the last and final authority when judging an issue. After such clear cut decrees how could I believe someone can supersede the authority and abilities of Prophet Muhammad SAW?

Do you want me to believe any xyz, could be more important than Prophet Muhammad SAW, when the Holy Quran says very clearly no Prophet or anyone else given the knowledge of the unseen, except the revelations, the Word of God they received as revelations.

May Allah SWT give you guidance and learn not to get emotional, Ameen. Look brother, I have met many, and have discussed with many. I leave it to that.

I have absolutely nothing against anyone specifically I have said I dont follow any sect either I am plain and simple a Muslims. Same way the Prophet SAW and his beloved Sahabas were. They never claimed they are from any sect. On the day of the judgement I want to stand with the party who would be with Prophet SAW, and no one else. May Allah SWT grant me my wish, Ameen.

Here is another verse from the Holy Quran to show you the reality of the people who persistently claim about the end times and say, the hour is near, you may have seen many videos, read books, predictions etc.

يَسْأَلُونَكَ عَنِ السَّاعَةِ أَيَّانَ مُرْسَاهَا قُلْ إِنَّمَا عِلْمُهَا عِندَ رَبِّي لاَ يُجَلِّيهَا لِوَقْتِهَا إِلاَّ هُوَ ثَقُلَتْ فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضِ لاَ تَأْتِيكُمْ إِلاَّ بَغْتَةً يَسْأَلُونَكَ كَأَنَّكَ حَفِيٌّ عَنْهَا قُلْ إِنَّمَا عِلْمُهَا عِندَ اللّهِ وَلَـكِنَّ أَكْثَرَ النَّاسِ لاَ يَعْلَمُونَ (7:187)

7:187 THEY WILL ASK thee [O Prophet] about the Last Hour: "When will it come to pass?" Say: "Verily, knowledge thereof rests with my Sustainer alone. None but He will reveal it in its time. Heavily will it weigh on the heavens and the earth; [and] it will not fall upon you otherwise than of a sudden." They will ask thee - as if thou couldst gain insight into this [mystery] by dint of persistent inquiry! Say: "Knowledge thereof rests with my Sustainer alone; but [of this] most people are unaware."

You tell me whose word should I trust, The Word of God or predictions by some xyz?

May Allah SWT give you the insight and knowledge of the Holy Quran and keep you away from the wrong path, Ameen.
 

Raaz

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Better to discuss the contents of material...

What he said...The material itself will tell , is it true of fake...

Other wise we are jut doing like Molvies in 1970 , man could go on moon...
 

crankthskunk

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
@ Pakistani1947,

Just a moth back , Osama was Gaib , and we domt know....same words ...do we know Ilm e gaib ?

But Americans got him...

Same way , dhoondne wale dhoondh lete hain ....

Poochne wale Allah se pooch lete hein...

Defintely u r right ....Only Alllah Tallh has all knowledge of hazir and Gaieb....

But he never said that dont ask me ...We are Allah's Khaleefa , there is no communication gap, even after Wahi...

The link is established through server....get it if u have ability....

It is same system of internet...Main server is Allah Tallah, and nodes and hubs are prophets....

You means to say, Prophet SAW didn't have that connection (Nauzobillah)? Why you think Allah SWT decreed and ordered by addressing Prophet SAW "QUl"? And then through the first speech of Prophet Muhammad declared that he SAW does not have the "Khazian" and " "AlimulGhaib"?

You are trying to tell the Muslims Allah SWT didn't tell us about the server to get hooked and more importantly to Prophet Muhammad SAW and declare in the Holy Quran Prophet Muhammad SAW didno't have the knowledge of the unseen? Or that was for just Prophet Muhammad SAW, but far lesser people are free to get hooked to the Server, and can claim Allah SWT has given them the gift (nauzobillah)?

Thats why I repeatedly given the example of "Maisaq un Nabeen" from the Holy Quran. Not even Prophets can be superior to Prophet Muhammad SAW according to the decrees in the Holy Quran. What are these people compare to the Prophets?

Say "Astagfraullah", May Allah SWT show you the right path. Please read the last portion of the Verse 7:187, Allah SWT decreed, if people ask you (SAW) please find out with persistent inquiry, the answer given, "knowledge there of remains with thy Sustainer".

Now tell me who can get connection to the server (nauzobillah) with persistent inquiry , compare to Prophet SAW?
 
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ahmadalikhan

MPA (400+ posts)
What if they are not the writings of Naimat Shah, then it could have been written well after his death more l

Ok Lets come to point , Next prediction is "Maghrabi Pakistan Ke Musalmano per Zaat e bari Ta'ala ka Fazal zahir ho ga aur un ke haath kaam chalane wale aadmi aa jaen ge " .... means a capable govt. will come in Pakistan, they will be very hardworking.

Now sit back and wait for few months (as time is not given in book and God knows the best), If it happens then u will accept this book, if it doesn't happen u have a full right to discard this book. Now its closed from my end.

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behzadji

Minister (2k+ posts)
Who is Allah's friend only Allah knows, did these wali Allah named were mentioned in Quran or any Saheeh Hadith then these are are self made or men made walis and you know the proportion of error of manly matters...........save your Akhirat and learn Islam and not sufism

basim973, is your name mentioned anywhere in the holy book???
 
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