Some Fabricated Hadeeths which Christians use against Muslims

Pakistani1947

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Now a days there is too much Propaganda against Muslims by Christians where they mention some fabricated hadeeths to defame Muslims. Unfortunately some of the Shia brothers has also teamed with them. I thought it may be useful for the members to know the reality of these fabricated Hadeeth. Below is the article explaining the fabricated hadeeth about a goat eating Qur'an etc.

Question: There is this hadith that a Christian is posting in Internet forums. It is hadith no. 1944 in Sunan Ibn Maajah, Kitaab an-Nikaah, which has to do with a goat eating the Qur’an. It was posted in a forum for discussion between Muslims and Christians. I would like to know the whole story about this matter and its history.


Answer: Firstly:

Talking about the hadith mentioned in the question requires a little detail from specialists in the study of hadith. It is not sufficient to give a general answer or an answer based only on one’s personal view of the matter. Therefore we hope that the questioner will learn and pay attention to the way in which we will trace different versions of the hadith, with different chains of narrators. Thus the facts about it will become clear, in sha Allah.

All versions of the hadith are based on the following chain of narrators:

‘Abdullah ibn Abi Bakr ibn Hazm, from ‘Amrah bint ‘Abd ar-Rahmaan, from ‘Aa’ishah (may Allah be pleased with her). The isnaad ends with her and does not go back to the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah upon him).

The hadith was taken from ‘Abdullah ibn Abi Bakr by a number of narrators and their narrations are as follows:

1. It was narrated by Yahya ibn Sa‘eed al-Ansaari. His version says: It was revealed in the Qur’an that ten definite breastfeedings are required (to establish the relationship of mahram), then it was also revealed that five definite breastfeedings are required.

This was narrated by Imam Muslim in his Saheeh (no. 1452) and others. We may note that this version does not say anything about the story of the goat or tame sheep eating any of the pages of the Holy Qur’an.

2. It was narrated by Imam Maalik (may Allah have mercy on him). His version says: Among that which was revealed of the Qur’an was the ruling that those ten definite breastfeedings are required to establish the relationship of mahram, then that was abrogated and replaced with five definite breastfeedings. When the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) died, this was among the things that were recited in the Qur’an.

This was narrated by Maalik in al-Muwatta’ (Kitaab ar-Ridaa‘, hadith no. 17), and via him by Imam Muslim (1452) and others. We may note here that the report of Imam Maalik from ‘Abdullah ibn Abi Bakr also does not include any mention of the story of the goat or tame sheep eating anything of the Mus-haf. Rather one sentence is added to it at the end: When the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) died, this was among the things that were recited in the Qur’an.

3.It was narrated by Muhammad ibn Ishaaq. His version says: The verse of stoning and breastfeeding of an adult ten times was revealed, and it was written on a leaf that was kept beneath a bed in my [‘Aa’ishah’s] house. When the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) fell sick, we were preoccupied with his situation, and a little animal of ours came in and ate it.

This was narrated by Imam Ahmad in al-Musnad (43/343), and Ibn Maajah in as-Sunan (no. 1944); the latter version says: When the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it.

As you can see, this version does mention the odd phrase that is additional to what was narrated by the two great imams, Yahya ibn Sa‘eed al-Ansaari and Maalik ibn Anas (may Allah have mercy on them both). This is what the questioner referred to in his question. In this version of the hadith it says that a tame sheep – which is a sheep that people feed in their homes – came in and ate the page that contained the verse of stoning and the verse of breastfeeding an adult.

This difference was sufficient for the scholars of hadith to rule that the version narrated by Muhammad ibn Ishaaq was da‘eef (weak), and that it was to be rejected and regarded as odd. In their view, the odd hadith is any hadith in which a trustworthy narrator differed with that which was narrated by other trustworthy narrators who were more accurate than him in the narration or were greater in number. This is a sound academic principle, because how can one narrator have additional wording in a hadith that others also narrated from the original narrators, when the latter are greater in number, more accurate in memory and narration, and of higher status in knowledge of hadith? Why didn’t they also narrate this additional or different material? Is there any other way to understand what happened, except by referring to that rule in order to know where some narrators differed in their narration and included some odd material in it? If that is not the case (and you do not want to refer to that rule), then how could this debater convince us that Muhammad ibn Ishaaq learned of the hadith of ‘Aa’ishah that which both Yahya ibn Sa‘eed al-Ansaari and Maalik ibn Anas had forgotten, when they were both leading scholars and senior figures in their field? In fact Sufyaan ath-Thawri (may Allah have mercy on him) said: Yahya ibn Sa‘eed al-Ansaari was, in the view of the people of Madinah, of a higher standard in the field of hadith than az-Zuhri. ‘Ali ibn al-Madeeni regarded him as one of the most authentic and trustworthy narrators of hadith, and one of those concerning whom one would have no sense of unease with their hadith at all. Ahmad ibn Hanbal said concerning him: He is one of the most accurate in narration. Wuhayb said: I came to Madinah and I did not see anyone but you might feel comfortable with some of what they narrated and have reservations about other reports of theirs, except Maalik and Yahya ibn Sa‘eed (i.e., all of their reports could be accepted without reservation).

See: Tahdheeb at-Tahdheeb (11/223)

So how about if we know that Muhammad ibn Ishaaq is criticised by some scholars of hadith, and there were some mistakes that were noted in his narrations, and it was noted that he differed in some of his narrations from the narration of some leading trustworthy scholars? We cannot accept the narration of such a person if it differs from the narration of other trustworthy narrators, and we do not accept from him any weird or odd wording that other trustworthy narrators did not narrate.

Hanbal ibn Ishaaq said: I heard Abu ‘Abdullah say: The narration of Ibn Ishaaq cannot be used as proof.

‘Abdullah ibn Ahmad said: He – i.e., Ahmad ibn Hanbal – did not use his reports as evidence when discussing what is Sunnah.

Ayyoob ibn Ishaaq said: I asked Ahmad ibn Hanbal: O Abu ‘Abdullah, if Ibn Ishaaq is the only narrator of the hadith, will you accept it? He said: No, by Allah, for I have seen him putting together the words of many narrators in a single hadith, and not separating the narration of one person from that of another.

Yahya ibn Ma‘een classed him as da‘eef in one report narrated from him. An-Nasaa’i said: He is not qawiy (strong). Ad-Daaraqutni said: The leading scholars differed concerning him, and he is not an authority; rather his narration may be taken into consideration (alongside others)

See: Tahdheeb at-Tahdheeb (9/45).

We have previously discussed Muhammad ibn Ishaaq in detail in fatwa no. 148009

What will make the matter clearer is the fact that al-Qaasim ibn Muhammad, like ‘Abdullah ibn Abi Bakr, narrated the hadith without the additional material of Muhammad ibn Ishaaq.

At-Tahhaawi narrated in Sharh Mushkil al-Athaar (11/486): Muhammad ibn Khuzaymah told us: al-Hajjaaj ibn Minhaal told us: Hammaad ibn Salamah told us, from ‘Abd ar-Rahmaan ibn al-Qaasim, from al-Qaasim ibn Muhammad, from ‘Amrah, that ‘Aa’ishah (may Allah be pleased with her) said: Among the things that were revealed in the Qur’an, then abrogated, was that the relationship of mahram cannot be established except by ten breastfeedings, then after that it was revealed: or five breastfeedings.

To sum up, the story of the sheep eating a page of the Holy Qur’an in the house of ‘Aa’ishah (may Allah be pleased with her) is da‘eef (weak) and is not proven.

Ibn Qutaybah ad-Daynoori (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

The versions of the hadith narrated by Maalik are different to those narrated by Muhammad ibn Ishaaq, and Maalik is more accurate, according to the scholars of hadith, than Muhammad ibn Ishaaq.

End quote from Ta’weel Mukhtalif al-Hadith (p. 443)

The commentators on the Musnad of Imam Ahmad said:

Its isnaad is da‘eef because the only one who narrated it was Muhammad ibn Ishaaq, and its text contains something odd.

End quote from the Mu’sasat ar-Risaalah edn (43/343)

Al-Aloosi (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

With regard to the additional material having been on a page that was kept with ‘Aa’ishah and was eaten by the tame sheep, it is a fabrication and lie of the heretics that this was lost as the result of being eaten by a tame sheep without being abrogated. This is what it says in al-Kashshaaf.

End quote from Rooh al-Ma‘aani (11/140)

Ibn Hazm (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

It was proven that the wording was abrogated, but the sheet on which it was written remained, as ‘Aa’ishah (may Allah be pleased with her) said – then it was eaten by the tame sheep; but no one needs it (that verse). Something similar may be said with regard to the verse on breastfeeding, and there is no difference between the two. The proof of that is that they memorised (the verse) as we have mentioned. So if it was confirmed as being part of the Qur’an, the fact that the sheep ate it would not have changed the fact that it was part of the Qur’an, based on the fact that they had memorised it.

Thus we may conclude with certainty that no two Muslims differ concerning the fact that Allah, may He be exalted, enjoined upon His Messenger (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) the conveying of the message, and that he (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) conveyed it as he had been instructed to do. … And we may conclude, with regard to the verses that were lost, that if the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) had been instructed to convey them, he would have done so, and if he had conveyed them they would have been memorised, and if they had been memorised then the death of the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) would not affect the matter at all, just as the fact that he (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) died did not affect anything else of what he had conveyed of the Qur’an.

End quote from al-Muhalla (12/177)


Al-Baaqilaani (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

There is no one on the face of the earth more ignorant than one who thinks that the Messenger and the Sahaabah were all careless with regard to the Qur’an and that they would not memorise it and learn it by heart, and that they would rely for confirming it on a sheet that was placed under the bed of ‘Aa’ishah only, a sheet that was thrown on the floor and disrespected, until the neighbourhood sheep came in and ate it, resulting in the loss of that sheet and whatever was written on it!

We wonder what it was that could have allegedly led the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) to such negligence, helplessness and carelessness, when he had been entrusted with the religion and had been instructed to protect it and preserve it, and to appoint scribes to write it, as he had a large number of people who were skilled in the field of writing, whose main task was to write down the Qur’an that was revealed to him, and to write down covenants, deeds, trusts and other matters that might occur or be connected to the Messenger, especially since there was a need to keep a record of it.

The main task of the Messenger (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) was only to explain and protect the Qur’an, and protect the religion; he had no occupation or any other worldly concerns to distract him from that, except some efforts he might undertake to support and reinforce the religion, and to promote and explain the Qur’an. Otherwise, how could it be possible that all of these people and all of the Sahaabah would not be aware of the verses about breastfeeding and stoning, so that no one would know about them or refer to them, except ‘Aa’ishah alone?

Therefore, based on what we have described about how the Messenger was devoted to conveying the message, and the Sahaabah were keen to learn and memorise it, it is not possible that they could have lost something of the Book of Allah, may He be exalted, whether it was small or great; people of such calibre should be the greatest of people in memorising it and preserving what was revealed of it and what happened concerning it, such as the dates when it was revealed, the reasons for revelation, and what abrogated and was abrogated.

End quote from al-Intisaar li’l-Qur’an (1/412-418)

Whatever the case, what the Muslim is required to do is to constantly be aware and careful, so he should not believe everyone who makes some claim, and he should not follow every rumour, myth or story that is narrated here or there, especially in Internet chat rooms and forums, because they may be visited by knowledgeable and ignorant people alike, both speakers of truth and liars, sincere people and hateful hypocrites. Such matters require investigation and verification, by asking knowledgeable people and referring to authentic Islamic books; many such resources are widely available, praise be to Allah. Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “And follow not (O man i.e., say not, or do not or witness not, etc.) that of which you have no knowledge (e.g. ones saying: ‘I have seen,’ while in fact he has not seen, or ‘I have heard,’ while he has not heard). Verily! The hearing, and the sight, and the heart, of each of those you will be questioned (by Allah)” [al-Isra’ 17:36].

For more information, see the answers to questions no. 22029 and 106399

And Allah knows best.

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Citizen X

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Now a days there is too much Propaganda against Muslims by Christians where they mention some fabricated hadeeths to defame Muslims. Unfortunately some of the Shia brothers has also teamed with them. I thought it may be useful for the members to know the reality of these fabricated Hadeeth. Below is the article explaining the fabricated hadeeth about a goat eating Qur'an etc.

Question: There is this hadith that a Christian is posting in Internet forums. It is hadith no. 1944 in Sunan Ibn Maajah, Kitaab an-Nikaah, which has to do with a goat eating the Qur’an. It was posted in a forum for discussion between Muslims and Christians. I would like to know the whole story about this matter and its history.


Answer: Firstly:

Talking about the hadith mentioned in the question requires a little detail from specialists in the study of hadith. It is not sufficient to give a general answer or an answer based only on one’s personal view of the matter. Therefore we hope that the questioner will learn and pay attention to the way in which we will trace different versions of the hadith, with different chains of narrators. Thus the facts about it will become clear, in sha Allah.

All versions of the hadith are based on the following chain of narrators:

‘Abdullah ibn Abi Bakr ibn Hazm, from ‘Amrah bint ‘Abd ar-Rahmaan, from ‘Aa’ishah (may Allah be pleased with her). The isnaad ends with her and does not go back to the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah upon him).

The hadith was taken from ‘Abdullah ibn Abi Bakr by a number of narrators and their narrations are as follows:

1. It was narrated by Yahya ibn Sa‘eed al-Ansaari. His version says: It was revealed in the Qur’an that ten definite breastfeedings are required (to establish the relationship of mahram), then it was also revealed that five definite breastfeedings are required.

This was narrated by Imam Muslim in his Saheeh (no. 1452) and others. We may note that this version does not say anything about the story of the goat or tame sheep eating any of the pages of the Holy Qur’an.

2. It was narrated by Imam Maalik (may Allah have mercy on him). His version says: Among that which was revealed of the Qur’an was the ruling that those ten definite breastfeedings are required to establish the relationship of mahram, then that was abrogated and replaced with five definite breastfeedings. When the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) died, this was among the things that were recited in the Qur’an.

This was narrated by Maalik in al-Muwatta’ (Kitaab ar-Ridaa‘, hadith no. 17), and via him by Imam Muslim (1452) and others. We may note here that the report of Imam Maalik from ‘Abdullah ibn Abi Bakr also does not include any mention of the story of the goat or tame sheep eating anything of the Mus-haf. Rather one sentence is added to it at the end: When the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) died, this was among the things that were recited in the Qur’an.

3.It was narrated by Muhammad ibn Ishaaq. His version says: The verse of stoning and breastfeeding of an adult ten times was revealed, and it was written on a leaf that was kept beneath a bed in my [‘Aa’ishah’s] house. When the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) fell sick, we were preoccupied with his situation, and a little animal of ours came in and ate it.

This was narrated by Imam Ahmad in al-Musnad (43/343), and Ibn Maajah in as-Sunan (no. 1944); the latter version says: When the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it.

As you can see, this version does mention the odd phrase that is additional to what was narrated by the two great imams, Yahya ibn Sa‘eed al-Ansaari and Maalik ibn Anas (may Allah have mercy on them both). This is what the questioner referred to in his question. In this version of the hadith it says that a tame sheep – which is a sheep that people feed in their homes – came in and ate the page that contained the verse of stoning and the verse of breastfeeding an adult.

This difference was sufficient for the scholars of hadith to rule that the version narrated by Muhammad ibn Ishaaq was da‘eef (weak), and that it was to be rejected and regarded as odd. In their view, the odd hadith is any hadith in which a trustworthy narrator differed with that which was narrated by other trustworthy narrators who were more accurate than him in the narration or were greater in number. This is a sound academic principle, because how can one narrator have additional wording in a hadith that others also narrated from the original narrators, when the latter are greater in number, more accurate in memory and narration, and of higher status in knowledge of hadith? Why didn’t they also narrate this additional or different material? Is there any other way to understand what happened, except by referring to that rule in order to know where some narrators differed in their narration and included some odd material in it? If that is not the case (and you do not want to refer to that rule), then how could this debater convince us that Muhammad ibn Ishaaq learned of the hadith of ‘Aa’ishah that which both Yahya ibn Sa‘eed al-Ansaari and Maalik ibn Anas had forgotten, when they were both leading scholars and senior figures in their field? In fact Sufyaan ath-Thawri (may Allah have mercy on him) said: Yahya ibn Sa‘eed al-Ansaari was, in the view of the people of Madinah, of a higher standard in the field of hadith than az-Zuhri. ‘Ali ibn al-Madeeni regarded him as one of the most authentic and trustworthy narrators of hadith, and one of those concerning whom one would have no sense of unease with their hadith at all. Ahmad ibn Hanbal said concerning him: He is one of the most accurate in narration. Wuhayb said: I came to Madinah and I did not see anyone but you might feel comfortable with some of what they narrated and have reservations about other reports of theirs, except Maalik and Yahya ibn Sa‘eed (i.e., all of their reports could be accepted without reservation).

See: Tahdheeb at-Tahdheeb (11/223)

So how about if we know that Muhammad ibn Ishaaq is criticised by some scholars of hadith, and there were some mistakes that were noted in his narrations, and it was noted that he differed in some of his narrations from the narration of some leading trustworthy scholars? We cannot accept the narration of such a person if it differs from the narration of other trustworthy narrators, and we do not accept from him any weird or odd wording that other trustworthy narrators did not narrate.

Hanbal ibn Ishaaq said: I heard Abu ‘Abdullah say: The narration of Ibn Ishaaq cannot be used as proof.

‘Abdullah ibn Ahmad said: He – i.e., Ahmad ibn Hanbal – did not use his reports as evidence when discussing what is Sunnah.

Ayyoob ibn Ishaaq said: I asked Ahmad ibn Hanbal: O Abu ‘Abdullah, if Ibn Ishaaq is the only narrator of the hadith, will you accept it? He said: No, by Allah, for I have seen him putting together the words of many narrators in a single hadith, and not separating the narration of one person from that of another.

Yahya ibn Ma‘een classed him as da‘eef in one report narrated from him. An-Nasaa’i said: He is not qawiy (strong). Ad-Daaraqutni said: The leading scholars differed concerning him, and he is not an authority; rather his narration may be taken into consideration (alongside others)

See: Tahdheeb at-Tahdheeb (9/45).

We have previously discussed Muhammad ibn Ishaaq in detail in fatwa no. 148009

What will make the matter clearer is the fact that al-Qaasim ibn Muhammad, like ‘Abdullah ibn Abi Bakr, narrated the hadith without the additional material of Muhammad ibn Ishaaq.

At-Tahhaawi narrated in Sharh Mushkil al-Athaar (11/486): Muhammad ibn Khuzaymah told us: al-Hajjaaj ibn Minhaal told us: Hammaad ibn Salamah told us, from ‘Abd ar-Rahmaan ibn al-Qaasim, from al-Qaasim ibn Muhammad, from ‘Amrah, that ‘Aa’ishah (may Allah be pleased with her) said: Among the things that were revealed in the Qur’an, then abrogated, was that the relationship of mahram cannot be established except by ten breastfeedings, then after that it was revealed: or five breastfeedings.

To sum up, the story of the sheep eating a page of the Holy Qur’an in the house of ‘Aa’ishah (may Allah be pleased with her) is da‘eef (weak) and is not proven.

Ibn Qutaybah ad-Daynoori (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

The versions of the hadith narrated by Maalik are different to those narrated by Muhammad ibn Ishaaq, and Maalik is more accurate, according to the scholars of hadith, than Muhammad ibn Ishaaq.

End quote from Ta’weel Mukhtalif al-Hadith (p. 443)

The commentators on the Musnad of Imam Ahmad said:

Its isnaad is da‘eef because the only one who narrated it was Muhammad ibn Ishaaq, and its text contains something odd.

End quote from the Mu’sasat ar-Risaalah edn (43/343)

Al-Aloosi (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

With regard to the additional material having been on a page that was kept with ‘Aa’ishah and was eaten by the tame sheep, it is a fabrication and lie of the heretics that this was lost as the result of being eaten by a tame sheep without being abrogated. This is what it says in al-Kashshaaf.

End quote from Rooh al-Ma‘aani (11/140)

Ibn Hazm (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

It was proven that the wording was abrogated, but the sheet on which it was written remained, as ‘Aa’ishah (may Allah be pleased with her) said – then it was eaten by the tame sheep; but no one needs it (that verse). Something similar may be said with regard to the verse on breastfeeding, and there is no difference between the two. The proof of that is that they memorised (the verse) as we have mentioned. So if it was confirmed as being part of the Qur’an, the fact that the sheep ate it would not have changed the fact that it was part of the Qur’an, based on the fact that they had memorised it.

Thus we may conclude with certainty that no two Muslims differ concerning the fact that Allah, may He be exalted, enjoined upon His Messenger (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) the conveying of the message, and that he (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) conveyed it as he had been instructed to do. … And we may conclude, with regard to the verses that were lost, that if the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) had been instructed to convey them, he would have done so, and if he had conveyed them they would have been memorised, and if they had been memorised then the death of the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) would not affect the matter at all, just as the fact that he (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) died did not affect anything else of what he had conveyed of the Qur’an.

End quote from al-Muhalla (12/177)


Al-Baaqilaani (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

There is no one on the face of the earth more ignorant than one who thinks that the Messenger and the Sahaabah were all careless with regard to the Qur’an and that they would not memorise it and learn it by heart, and that they would rely for confirming it on a sheet that was placed under the bed of ‘Aa’ishah only, a sheet that was thrown on the floor and disrespected, until the neighbourhood sheep came in and ate it, resulting in the loss of that sheet and whatever was written on it!

We wonder what it was that could have allegedly led the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) to such negligence, helplessness and carelessness, when he had been entrusted with the religion and had been instructed to protect it and preserve it, and to appoint scribes to write it, as he had a large number of people who were skilled in the field of writing, whose main task was to write down the Qur’an that was revealed to him, and to write down covenants, deeds, trusts and other matters that might occur or be connected to the Messenger, especially since there was a need to keep a record of it.

The main task of the Messenger (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) was only to explain and protect the Qur’an, and protect the religion; he had no occupation or any other worldly concerns to distract him from that, except some efforts he might undertake to support and reinforce the religion, and to promote and explain the Qur’an. Otherwise, how could it be possible that all of these people and all of the Sahaabah would not be aware of the verses about breastfeeding and stoning, so that no one would know about them or refer to them, except ‘Aa’ishah alone?

Therefore, based on what we have described about how the Messenger was devoted to conveying the message, and the Sahaabah were keen to learn and memorise it, it is not possible that they could have lost something of the Book of Allah, may He be exalted, whether it was small or great; people of such calibre should be the greatest of people in memorising it and preserving what was revealed of it and what happened concerning it, such as the dates when it was revealed, the reasons for revelation, and what abrogated and was abrogated.

End quote from al-Intisaar li’l-Qur’an (1/412-418)

Whatever the case, what the Muslim is required to do is to constantly be aware and careful, so he should not believe everyone who makes some claim, and he should not follow every rumour, myth or story that is narrated here or there, especially in Internet chat rooms and forums, because they may be visited by knowledgeable and ignorant people alike, both speakers of truth and liars, sincere people and hateful hypocrites. Such matters require investigation and verification, by asking knowledgeable people and referring to authentic Islamic books; many such resources are widely available, praise be to Allah. Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “And follow not (O man i.e., say not, or do not or witness not, etc.) that of which you have no knowledge (e.g. ones saying: ‘I have seen,’ while in fact he has not seen, or ‘I have heard,’ while he has not heard). Verily! The hearing, and the sight, and the heart, of each of those you will be questioned (by Allah)” [al-Isra’ 17:36].

For more information, see the answers to questions no. 22029 and 106399

And Allah knows best.

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The problem is we have given way too much importance to the Hadith because of the Wahabi movement given them divine status. People have no qualms about claiming the Sahih Bhukhari to be the most authentic book after the Quran in the entire world, when it clearly isn't. So much so they are willing to throw our Prophets under the bus just to maintain that claim. They claim the Prophet nauzbillah was a pedophile who married a 6 year old and consumated it at the age of 9. That Prophet was lusting after some girl and asked her to give herself to him. That Prophet Musa was running naked after a stone who stole his clothes and then everybody saw him naked and said there is Ah yes there is no problems with his testicles, so he can be prophet now.

There is no deen to be had from the hadith. The deen is in the Quran and sunnah, not hadith Imam Malik who was a tabitabien and author of the very first book of Hadith the Mutawatta said if you follow the khabr e wahid you deen will be snatched from you, and what are most of todays hadith Khabar e wahid.

And of late new research has put the entire Sahih Bhukari into question. No matter which way you trace it back, there is no original manuscript of the Sahih Bhukari penned by the imam bhukari anywhere. All of them get traced back to this one individual. Mohammed Ibn Yusuf al Farabri who was a student of Imam Bhukari, who none of his contemporaries had classified as reliable. Frabri himself says there were 1000s of students of Imam Bhukari but none are alive today other than me. And the students of his who copied from his copy admitted saying frabris copy was also incomplete so they filled it up themselves and their copies don't match each others.

So the copy of Sahih Bhukari we have today is actually Sahih Frabri who is majhoul in classic hadith sciences of gradation. i.e Ibn Hajr said : “ The Majhoul ‘Ayn is like the unnamed reporter. His narration isn’t accepted until someone attests to the trustworthiness of his religion. "

And no one in Frabri's lifetime attested or vouched for him. There have been scholars who have vouched for him but 100s of years after his death. How can you vouch for someone you have never met or even met his contemporaries.

So this whole hadith business has become wobbly. And this what non muslims and other sects use to attack Islam or prop their own sects up. But take whatever is good from it, it still has great seerah of the Prophet s.a.w.

Stop giving hadith holy and divine status and treat it as the times and life of the Prophet s.a.w written by man which will always have a measure of error in it and you would be fine. Do not draw aqeedah or hukum from it, even if it goes against the Quran and Sunnah.

* Gets ready for incoming flak!
 

Pakistani1947

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
The problem is we have given way too much importance to the Hadith because of the Wahabi movement given them divine status. People have no qualms about claiming the Sahih Bhukhari to be the most authentic book after the Quran in the entire world, when it clearly isn't. So much so they are willing to throw our Prophets under the bus just to maintain that claim. They claim the Prophet nauzbillah was a pedophile who married a 6 year old and consumated it at the age of 9. That Prophet was lusting after some girl and asked her to give herself to him. That Prophet Musa was running naked after a stone who stole his clothes and then everybody saw him naked and said there is Ah yes there is no problems with his testicles, so he can be prophet now.

There is no deen to be had from the hadith. The deen is in the Quran and sunnah, not hadith Imam Malik who was a tabitabien and author of the very first book of Hadith the Mutawatta said if you follow the khabr e wahid you deen will be snatched from you, and what are most of todays hadith Khabar e wahid.

And of late new research has put the entire Sahih Bhukari into question. No matter which way you trace it back, there is no original manuscript of the Sahih Bhukari penned by the imam bhukari anywhere. All of them get traced back to this one individual. Mohammed Ibn Yusuf al Farabri who was a student of Imam Bhukari, who none of his contemporaries had classified as reliable. Frabri himself says there were 1000s of students of Imam Bhukari but none are alive today other than me. And the students of his who copied from his copy admitted saying frabris copy was also incomplete so they filled it up themselves and their copies don't match each others.

So the copy of Sahih Bhukari we have today is actually Sahih Frabri who is majhoul in classic hadith sciences of gradation. i.e Ibn Hajr said : “ The Majhoul ‘Ayn is like the unnamed reporter. His narration isn’t accepted until someone attests to the trustworthiness of his religion. "

And no one in Frabri's lifetime attested or vouched for him. There have been scholars who have vouched for him but 100s of years after his death. How can you vouch for someone you have never met or even met his contemporaries.

So this whole hadith business has become wobbly. And this what non muslims and other sects use to attack Islam or prop their own sects up. But take whatever is good from it, it still has great seerah of the Prophet s.a.w.

Stop giving hadith holy and divine status and treat it as the times and life of the Prophet s.a.w written by man which will always have a measure of error in it and you would be fine. Do not draw aqeedah or hukum from it, even if it goes against the Quran and Sunnah.

* Gets ready for incoming flak!
I would disagree with you here. Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukhari are the two most authentic Books of hadeeths, there is Ijam of all Ulema of Sunni school of thought . But you can not claim that it is free of errors. Muhaddis had been working very hard to identify the weak Hadeeths from all books of haddeeths. Now, even Islam360 App can tell you about the authenticity of hadeeth. Thanks to hard work done by Sunni Muhaddiseen over period of centuries. Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukhari contains more than 95% authentic Hadeeths. If there are few Hadeeths in Sahih Bukhai (all of them are identified) it does not mean that you throw away the whole Book.

After Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukhari there are four more Books of hadeeths, Tirmizi, Abu Dawud, Nisai, Ibne Maja which has 60 - 80 % authentuc Hadeeths.

Following is the Summary of Maqadimah Sahih Muslim by Imam Muslim, which can shed more light on this topic:




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Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
The problem is we have given way too much importance to the Hadith because of the Wahabi movement given them divine status. People have no qualms about claiming the Sahih Bhukhari to be the most authentic book after the Quran in the entire world, when it clearly isn't. So much so they are willing to throw our Prophets under the bus just to maintain that claim. They claim the Prophet nauzbillah was a pedophile who married a 6 year old and consumated it at the age of 9. That Prophet was lusting after some girl and asked her to give herself to him. That Prophet Musa was running naked after a stone who stole his clothes and then everybody saw him naked and said there is Ah yes there is no problems with his testicles, so he can be prophet now.

There is no deen to be had from the hadith. The deen is in the Quran and sunnah, not hadith Imam Malik who was a tabitabien and author of the very first book of Hadith the Mutawatta said if you follow the khabr e wahid you deen will be snatched from you, and what are most of todays hadith Khabar e wahid.

And of late new research has put the entire Sahih Bhukari into question. No matter which way you trace it back, there is no original manuscript of the Sahih Bhukari penned by the imam bhukari anywhere. All of them get traced back to this one individual. Mohammed Ibn Yusuf al Farabri who was a student of Imam Bhukari, who none of his contemporaries had classified as reliable. Frabri himself says there were 1000s of students of Imam Bhukari but none are alive today other than me. And the students of his who copied from his copy admitted saying frabris copy was also incomplete so they filled it up themselves and their copies don't match each others.

So the copy of Sahih Bhukari we have today is actually Sahih Frabri who is majhoul in classic hadith sciences of gradation. i.e Ibn Hajr said : “ The Majhoul ‘Ayn is like the unnamed reporter. His narration isn’t accepted until someone attests to the trustworthiness of his religion. "

And no one in Frabri's lifetime attested or vouched for him. There have been scholars who have vouched for him but 100s of years after his death. How can you vouch for someone you have never met or even met his contemporaries.

So this whole hadith business has become wobbly. And this what non muslims and other sects use to attack Islam or prop their own sects up. But take whatever is good from it, it still has great seerah of the Prophet s.a.w.

Stop giving hadith holy and divine status and treat it as the times and life of the Prophet s.a.w written by man which will always have a measure of error in it and you would be fine. Do not draw aqeedah or hukum from it, even if it goes against the Quran and Sunnah.

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x sb, all sources of information are valid and important in their own way. We need to learn about their status and importance in sense of their purposes.

regards and all the best.
 

QaiserMirza

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)

دین کا علم حاصل کیے بغیر دین پر تبصرہ اور اپنی رائے سے دین میں نکتے نکالنا آج کل کے سائبر علماء کا محبوب مشغلہ ہے
ماضی میں علماء اکرام نے اپنی ساری زندگیاں دین کا علم حاصل کرنے میں لگا دیں پھر بھی اپنے آپ کو طالب علم ہی کہتے رہے
آج بھی اکثر علماء متنازیہ بات پر تبصرہ کرنے سے پرہیز کرتے ہیں کہ کہیں ان کی زبان سے کہیں کوئی غلط بات نہ نکل جاے جو الله کے پاس پکڑ میں نہ آ جاۓ
مگر ہم آزادانہ جو چاھے کہہ دیتے ہیں ، اسی لئے کہ ہمیں اس علم کی حساسیت ہی نہیں معلوم
 

WatanDost

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)

کیا آیت رجم اور رضاعت والی آیت کو عائشہ رضی اللہ تعالیٰ عنہا کی بکری کھا گئی







(محمد حسین میمن)
سنن ابن ماجہ میں ایک حدیث موجود ہے جس سے کئی حضرات کو غلط فہمی ہوئی اور وہ اسی غلط فہمی کی وجہ سے انکار حدیث کی طرف مائل ہوئے۔ کیونکہ منکرین حدیث کا شیوہ بالکل عیسائیوں کی طرح ہے کہ وہ بھی قرآن مجید میں تشکیک پیدا کر کے عامۃ الناس کو اسلام سے ورغلاتے ہیں۔ بعین یہی طرز عمل منکرین حدیث کا ہے وہ بھی کتب احادیث سے احادیث کو آڑ بنا کر دین سے دور کرنے کی کوشش کرتے رہتے ہیں۔ حالانکہ احادیثِ صحیحہ سو فیصد قرآن مجید کی طرح ہدایت کی ضامن ہیں۔ امی عائشہ کے بارے میں یہ روایت معروف ہے جس کا ذکر سنن ابن ماجہ کتاب النکاح باب رضاعة الکبیر میں ہے ۔ اس حدیث کے مرکزی راوی ''محمد بن اسحاق'' ہیں۔ رضاعت کبیر کے سلسلہ میں تین اسناد سے احادیث موجود ہیں۔ ایک سند یہ ہے:
''من طریق محمد بن اسحاق ، عن عبداللہ بن ابی بکر عن عمرة عن عائشة''
یہ روایت ابن ماجہ رقم ۱۹۴۴، ابو یعلی ، رقم ۴۵۸۸،۴۵۸۷ میں ہے۔
دوسری روایت:
''عن عبداللہ ابن ابی بکر، عن عمرة بنت عبدالرحمن عن عائشة''
یہ روایت امام مالک رحمہ اللہ نے مؤطا میں ۱۷۸۰ پر رقم کی ہے۔
تیسری روایت:
''عن عبدالرحمن بن القاسم عن ابیہ عن عائشة''
صحیح مسلم ، رقم ۳۶۰۰ میں۔

پہلی سند والی حدیث جس میں محمد بن اسحاق ہیں وہ ابن ماجہ میں درج ہے۔
''حدثنا ابو سلمة یحیی بن خلف ، حدثنا عبدالاعلی عن محمد بن اسحاق عن عبداللہ بن ابی بکر عن عمرة عن عائشة رضی اللہ عنہا، قالت: لقد نزلت اٰیة الرجم ، ورضاعة الکبیر عشراً ولقد کان فی صحیفة تحت سریری فلما مات رسول اللہ ﷺ وتشا غلنا بموتہ دخل داجن فاکلھما''
(سنن ابن ماجہ، ابواب النکاح، رقم: ۱۹۴۴)
''سیدہ عائشہ رضی اللہ عنہا سے روایت ہے انہوں نے فرمایا: رجم کی آیت اور بڑی عمر کے لڑکے کو دس بار دودھ پلانے کے مسئلے پر مشتمل آیت نازل ہوئی تھی۔ یہ دونوں آیتیں ایک کاغذ پر لکھی ہوئی میرے بستر پر پڑی تھیں۔ جب رسول اللہ ﷺ کی وفات ہوئی تو ہم آپ کے کفن و دفن وغیرہ میں مشغول ہوگئے، ایک بکری آئی اور وہ کاغذ کھا گئی۔''
دوسری حدیث میں جس میں عبداللہ بن ابی بکر ہیں وہ یہ ہے :
اما م مالک رحمہ اللہ فرماتے ہیں:
''عن عبداللہ بن ابی بکر عن عمرة بنت عبدالرحمن عن عائشة، قالت کان فیما انزل من القرآن عشر رفعات معلوماتٍ یحرّمن ثم نسخن بخمس معلومات، فتوفی رسول اللہ ﷺ وھن فیما یقرا من القرآن''
(موطا امام مالک، رقم: ۱۷۸۰، مسند الشافعی، ۲۱/۲، اسحاق بن راھویہ، رقم: ۱۰۰۷، صحیح مسلم، ۱۴۵۲، ابو داؤد، رقم: ۲۰۶۲، سنن الترمذی، رقم: ۱۱۵۰، سنن النسائی، رقم: ۳۳۰۷، الدارمی، رقم: ۲۱۷۰، والطحاوی، مشکل الاٰثار، رقم: ۲۰۶۳، ابن حبان شرح، رقم: ۴۲۲۱، سنن الکبری للبیھقی، ۴۵۴/۷)
سیدہ عائشہ رضی اللہ عنہا نے فرمایا پہلے قرآن مجید میں یہ اترا تھا کہ دس بار ددھ پلائے تو حرمت ثابت ہوگی پھر منسوخ ہوگیا اور پانچ بار پلانا ٹھہرا ۔ رسول اللہ ﷺ کی وفات ہوئی اور لوگ اس کو قرآن میں پڑھتے تھے۔( یہ لفظ کہ لوگ اس کو قرآن میں پڑھتے تھے یہ زبردست وہم ہے جس کی تحقیق ہم آگے بیان کریں گے۔ ان شاء اللہ)
تیسری روایت جس میں عبدالرحمن بن قاسم ہے وہ یہ ہے:
''وحدثنا عمرو الناقد وابن ابی عمر قالا حدثنا سفیان بن عیینة عن عبدالرحمن بن قاسم عن ابیہ عن عائشة رضی اللہ عنہا قالت: جاءت سھلة بنت سھیل الی النبی ﷺ فقالت یارسول اللہ ﷺ انی ارای فی وجہ ابی حذیفة من دخول سالم وھو حلیفہ فقال النبی ﷺ ''ارضعیة'' قالت کیف ارضعہ وھو رجل کبیر فتبسم رسول اللہ وقال قد علمت انہ رجل کبیر۔ ثم جاءت فقالت: ما رایت فی وجہ ابی حذیفة شیئا اکرھہ''
''سہلہ بنت سہیل رضی اللہ عنہا نبی کریم ﷺ کی خدمت میں حاضر ہوئیں اور کہا کہ اے اللہ کے رسول جب سالم میرے پاس آتا ہے تو مجھے اپنے شوہر ابو حذیفہ رضی اللہ عنہ کے چہرے پر ناگواری کے آثار نظر آتے ہیں ۔ رسول اللہ ﷺ نے فرمایا اسے دودھ پلا دے۔ سہلہ نے کہا کہ کیسے؟ حالانکہ وہ نوجوان آدمی ہے، رسول اللہ ﷺ مسکرائے اور فرمایا کہ میں جانتا ہوں کہ وہ جوان ہے(ابن سعد نے بیان کیا کہ سہلہ پیالے میں اپنا دودھ ڈالتی اور سالم نے اسے پانچ دفعہ پیا۔ (الزرقانی، ج۳، ص۲۱۶)۔ (پھر دودھ پلانے کے بعد) سہلہ نبی ﷺ سے کہتی ہیں کہ میں نے اپنے خاوند حذیفہ کے چہرے پر اس کے بعد ناگواری نہیں دیکھی۔''

یہ تینوں احادیث آپ کے سامنے ہیں ، دو حدیثوں میں بکری کے کھانے کا کوئی ذکر نہیں ہے، جس میں عبدالرحمن بن قاسم ہیں اور عبداللہ بن ابی بکر ہیں، مگر جس روایت کو محمد بن اسحاق نے نقل کی ہے۔ اس مین بکری کے کھانے کا ذکر موجود ہے۔ اور مزید یہ کہ تینوں روایتیں امی عائشہ رضی اللہ عنہا سے ہی روایت کی گئی ہیں۔

دراصل محمد بن اسحاق صدوق ہیں، مگر وہ تدلیس میں بھی مشہور ہیں اور مدلس کی روایت اس وقت مقبول ہوتی ہے جب وہ اپنے سے اوپر کی سماعت کی تصریح کر دے۔ اگر وہ صیغہ (عن) سے روایت کریں گے تو روایت مقبول نہ ہوگی مگر ابن ماجہ کی حدیث حسن درجہ کی ہے اور وہاں سماعت کی تصریح موجود ہے۔ مگر محمد بن اسحاق اس روایت کو بیان کرنے میں منفرد ہیں اگر گہری نگاہ سے دیکھا جائے تو جس روایت میں بکری کے کھانے کا ذکر ہے اس میں محمد بن اسحاق، عبداللہ بن ابی بکر سے روایت کرتے ہیں جب کہ امام مالک رحمہ اللہ نے جب اپنی مؤطا میں روایت نقل کی تو وہاں محمد بن اسحاق ہیں مگر وہاں عبداللہ بن ابی بکر ہیں، اور وہاں وہ کچھ اور روایت کے الفاظ نقل کرتے ہیں۔ جس سے واضح معلوم ہوتا ہے کہ ابن اسحاق بیان کرنے میں منفرد ہیں۔
امام احمد بن حنبل رحمہ اللہ سے کسی نے سوال کیا :
''ابن اسحاق اذا تفرد لحدیث تقبلہ؟ قال لا ''
''جب ابن اسحاق کسی حدیث میں منفرد ہوں تو ان کی روایت قبول کی جائے؟ آپ رحمہ اللہ نے فرمایا نہیں۔ ''
لہٰذا ابن اسحاق اس روایت میں منفرد ہیں اور وہ خصوصاً احکام میں حجت نہیں ہیں۔
''ان ابن اسحاق لیس بحجة فی الاحکام''

حتی کہ امام احمد رحمہ اللہ نے یہاں تک ان کے بارے میں فرمایا کہ:
''واللہ انی رایتہ یحدث عن جماعة بالحدیث الواحد ولا یفصل کلام ذامن ذا''
(تہذیب الکمال، ج۲۴، ص۴۳۲)
اللہ کی قسم میں نے ابن اسحاق کو جماعت سے ایک حدیث بیان کرتے دیکھا مگر وہ بیان نہ کرتے کہ وہ جو نقل کرتے ہیں کن کن کا کلام ہے۔
مزید ایک دلیل آپ کے سامنے رکھتا ہوں ، جس سے واضح طور پر یہ ثابت ہو جائے گا کہ یہ روایت بیان کرنے میں ابن اسحاق منفرد ہیں اور ان کی یہ روایت مقبول نہیں ۔ مگر اس دلیل سے قبل ایک خدشہ آپ کے سامنے پیش خدمت ہے۔
عبداللہ بن یوسف الجدیح فرماتے ہیں:
اور مجھ اس بات کا خوف ہے کہ ممکن ہے ابن اسحاق نے ایک روایت کو دوسری روایت میں داخل کیا ہو کیوں کہ بکری کا واقعہ کا ذکر تو واقعہ افق میں موجود ہے کہ بریرہ رضی اللہ عنہا نے امی عائشہ رضی اللہ عنہا کے بارے میں فرمایا تھا کہ وہ اتنی (بھولی) اور کمسن لڑکی ہیں کہ آٹا گوندھ کر سو جاتی ہیں۔ پلی ہوئی بکری آ کر اسے کھا جاتی ہے۔ (صحیح البخاری، کتاب المغازی، رقم: ۴۱۴۱، المقدمات الاساسیة، ص۱۷۵)
یہ خدشہ اسی سلسلہ کی کڑی معلوم ہوتی اور مذید اس روایت کی غیر مقبولیت کا اندازہ مسلم کی حدیث سے بھی ہوتا ہے جن کی راویہ خود امی عائشہ رضی اللہ عنہا ہی ہیں۔
امام مسلم رحمہ اللہ صحیح مسلم میں فرماتے ہیں:
''قالت ام سلمة لعائشة رضی اللہ عنہا إ نّہ یدخل علیک الغلام الأ یفع الذی ما احب علی۔۔۔''
ام سلمہ نے عائشہ سے کہا کہ آپ کے پاس غلام ایفع (ایسا لڑکا جو جوانی کے قریب ہو) آتا ہے جس کو میں پسند نہیں کرتی کہ میرے پاس آئے تو سیدہ عائشہ رضی اللہ عنہ نے فرمایا کہ کیا تم کو رسول کی پیروی اچھی نہیں اور حالانکہ ابو حذیفہ رضی اللہ عنہ کی بیوی نے عرض کیا اے اللہ کے رسول سالم میرے پاس آتا ہے اور وہ جوان مرد ہے۔اور ابو حذیفہ اس کا آنا نا پسند کرتا ہے تو نبی ﷺ نے فرمایا تم اس کو دودھ پلا دو کہ وہ تمہارے پاس آیا کرے۔
(صحیح مسلم، ج۲، رقم۳۶۰۳)
اس حدیث سے واضح ہوا کہ امی عائشہ رضی اللہ عنہا رضاعت کبیر کے مسئلے پر قائل تھیں مگر ام سلمہ رضی اللہ عنہا اس پر قائل نہ تھیں، بلکہ صحیح مسلم میں یہاں تک موجو دہے کہ:
''ابی سائر ازواج النبی ﷺ ان یدخلن علیھن احدا بتلک الرضاعة۔۔''
(صحیح مسلم، ج۲، ص۳۱۶، رقم۱۴۵۴)
''نبی کریم ﷺ کی تمام ازواج مطہرات رضی اللہ عنھن نے انکار کیا کہ ان کے پاس کوئی آئے اس رضاعت کبیر کی وجہ سے۔''
غور طلب بات ہے کہ امی عائشہ اور حفصہ  کے علاوہ باقی کوئی بھی اس رضاعت کا قائل نہیں اور دلیل کے طور پر امی عائشہ ، سالم والی حدیث ہی پیش کر رہی تھیں ۔ اگر قرآن مجید میں رضاعت کبیر کی کوئی آیت موجود ہوتی تو کیا عائشہ اس کو پیش نہ کرتیں؟؟
یعنی اگر وہ آیت ہوتی جس کو ابن ماجہ نے نکالا بطریق ابن اسحاق کے تو نبی کریم ﷺ کی ازواج کبھی بھی انکار نہ کرتیں، بلکہ وہ اپنے معاملات اور آراء سے رجوع کرتیں قرآن مجید کی آیت کے بعد اور پھر تمام ازواج مطہرات کا انکار آیت ہونے کے باوجود چہ معنی دارد؟
غور فرمائیں۔ یہیں سے یہ بات مترشح ہوتی ہے کہ ابن اسحاق اپنی روایت میں منفرد ہیں اور امی عائشہ رضی اللہ عنہا کے پاس اگر کوئی ایسی آیت ہوتی تو آپ ضرور پیش کرتیں۔
جہاں تک تعلق اس حدیث کے ٹکڑے کا جس کو ذکر امام مالک نے فرمایا کہ امی عائشہ فرماتی ہیں:
''فتوفی رسول اللہ ﷺ وھن فیما یقراٴ من القرآن''
''جب رسول اللہ ﷺ کی وفات ہوئی تو لوگ اس کو (یعنی اس آیت کو جس میں دس بار رضاعت کو منسوخ کرکے پانچ مرتبہ رضاعت کے حکم کو نافذ کیا گیا) پڑھتے تھے۔'' (المؤطا ، رقم: ۱۷۸۰)
یہ الفاظ جو مؤطا سے نقل کیے ہیں غیر محفوظ ہیں ۔ کیونکہ ان کے علاوہ جو دو ثقہ راویوں نے جن الفاظ کو ذکر فرمایا ہے ان الفاظ میں یہ نہیں ہیں، جن کا ذکر مؤطا کے راوی عبداللہ بن ابی بکر کر رہے ہیں کہ جب رسول اللہ ﷺ کی وفات ہوئی تو لوگ اس (آیت) کو پڑھتے تھے۔
ایک اور نقطہ بھی ملحوظ رکھا جائے کہ عبداللہ بن ابی بکر سے زیادہ ثقہ وہ راوی ہیں جو ان الفاظ کو ذکر نہیں کر رہے۔
ان میں سے ایک قاسم بن محمد بن ابی بکر ہیں۔
ان کی روایت کو امام الطحاوی نے شرح مشکل الاثار رقم ۲۰۶۳ میں بطریق حماد بن سلمة، عن عبدالرحمن بن القاسم ، عن ابیہ عن عمرة عن عائشہ: قال کان مما نزل من القرآن''
سیدہ عائشہ رضی اللہ عنہا سے روایت ہے کہ انہوں نے فرمایا اللہ تعالیٰ نے قرآن مجید میں جو کچھ نازل فرمایا پھر اس کی تلاوت منسوخ ہوگئی اس میں یہ بھی تھا کہ دس بار دودھ پلانے یا پانچ بار دودھ پلانے ہی سے محرم کا رشتہ قائم ہوتا ہے۔ (سنن ابن ماجہ کتاب النکاح، رقم ۱۹۴۲، شرح مشکل الآثار ۴۵۶۵۱)
مذکورہ بالا روایت میں شک کے ساتھ بیان ہوا ہے کہ دس بار یا پانچ بار مگر صحیح مسلم کی حدیث سے واضح ہے کہ پانچ بار دودھ پلانے کا حکم نازل ہوا تھا۔
اس نکتہ کو بھی مد نظر رکھنا بے حد ضروری ہے کہ قرآن مجید کی بعض آیات کی تلاوت منسوخ ہوگئی اور حکم باقی رہا۔
تلاوت منسوخ ہونے کے معنی یہ ہیں کہ انہیں قرآن مجید میں نہ لکھا جائے نہ ہی نماز میں تلاوت کی جائے اور اس قسم کے مسائل میں اس کا حکم قرآن کا نہیں ہوگا۔ اس کے باوجود اس مذکورہ حکم پر عمل ہوگا کیونکہ اس کا حکم سنت میں ہے۔
دوسرے ''یحییٰ بن سعید الانصاری'' ہیں۔
ان کی روایت بطریق عن عمرة عن عائشہ قالت: انزل فی القرآن عشر رضاعات معلومات ثم انزل خمس رضاعات۔ (مسلم ۱۰۷۵، مسند الشافعی ۲۱/۱)
اللہ تعالیٰ نے قرآن میں دس بار رضاعتِ معلومات کا حکم اتارا پھر پانچ مرتبہ کا۔
یہ دونوں ثقہ حافظ انہوں نے وہ الفاظ نہیں نقل فرمائے جن الفاظ کو عبداللہ بن ابی بکر نے نقل کیے ہیں کہ نبی ﷺ کی وفات کے بعد صحابہ اس کو قرآن سے پڑھتے تھے۔
امام الزرقانی مؤطا کی شرح میں رقمطراز ہیں :
''ووکذا قول عائشة رضی اللہ عنہا وھی ما یتلی من القرآن ای من القرآن المنسوخ فلا ارادت من القرآن الثابت لا شتھر عن غیرھا من الصحابة کما اشتھر سائر القرآن والذا قال: مالک رحمہ اللہ ولیس العمل علی ھذا'' (شرح الزرقانی، ۳،ص۳۲۱۹)
یعنی عائشہ رضی اللہ عنہا کا فرمانا کہ یہ آیت قرآن سے پڑھی جاتی تھی اگر یہ ثابت ہوتی تو ان کے علاوہ باقی صحابہ کے درمیان بھی یہ آیت مشہور ہوتی جس طرح مکمل قرآن مشہور تھا صحابہ میں۔ اسی لیے امام مالک نے فرمایا کہ اس حدیث پر عمل نہیں ہے۔
یعنی یہ ممکن ہی نہیں تھا کہ ایک آیت ہو قرآن میں اور اس کی تلاوت بھی ہو رہی ہو اور آج وہ ہمارے سامنے نہ ہو اور اگر یہ آیت ہوتی تو آج بھی نمازوں میں اس کی تلاوت ہوتی نہ ہی یہ صحابہ کرام کے دور میں لکھی گئی اور نہ ہی تابعین نے اس کی تلاوت کی جن پر کچھ ذکر کیا ہو۔
لہٰذا یہ الفاظ کہ نبی ﷺ کے بعد تلاوت ہوتی رہی غیر محفوظ ہیں۔ امام طحاوی نے بھی ان الفاظ کو غیر محفوظ گردانا ہے۔ (دیکھیے شرح مشکل الآثار للطحاوی، ج۵،ص۳۱۳،)


 
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Citizen X

President (40k+ posts)
I would disagree with you here. Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukhari are the two most authentic Books of hadeeths, there is Ijam of all Ulema of Sunni school of thought . But you can not claim that it is free of errors. Muhaddis had been working very hard to identify the weak Hadeeths from all books of haddeeths. Now, even Islam360 App can tell you about the authenticity of hadeeth. Thanks to hard work done by Sunni Muhaddiseen over period of centuries. Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukhari contains more than 95% authentic Hadeeths. If there are few Hadeeths in Sahih Bukhai (all of them are identified) it does not mean that you throw away the whole Book.

After Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukhari there are four more Books of hadeeths, Tirmizi, Abu Dawud, Nisai, Ibne Maja which has 60 - 80 % authentuc Hadeeths.

Following is the Summary of Maqadimah Sahih Muslim by Imam Muslim, which can shed more light on this topic:




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Ok since it is cut and paste season I shall do some of my own cut and pasting.


In response to the claim "all concerns regarding #Sahih_Bukhari's authenticity have been sufficiently answered"

Im afraid that's categorically not true.

By stating that we today have countless and multiple manuscripts is a misleading statement.
The Truth is that there these are simply key secondary/tertiary copies نسخ of perhaps a dozen different people;
الهروي، كريمة، عبد الوقت، الاصيلي، القابسي، ابن عساكر الصدفي، ابن سعادة، اليونيني، السلطانية
spread out over a milenia... all of whom disagree in their secondary/tertiary copies of the contents.

No entire copy of Sahih Bukhari is found today till at least hundreds of years after him.

The Sahih of Imam Bukhari is transmitted to all the secondary sources through a interesting student Muhammad ibn Yusuf al-Farabri (unvouched for as a reliable scholar of Hadith till almost 200 years after him by ابو سعد السمعاني)

All the other accredited scholars of Hadith either never transmitted the Sahih or it was apparently lost by them within a century of imam Bukhari.

Farabri's own students e.g. Abu Ishaq Mustamli etc acknowledge that Farabri's copy of Sahih Bukhari was partially incomplete. (Check Al Baaji's and other scholars endorsing this statement)

Mustamli further adds that we the key students e.g. Kushmayhani, Sarakhsi etc made amendments to his copy, giving chapter headings, moving hadith around etc.

Farabri's students acknowledge they all copied from one single copy yet they all significantly disagree ranging from chapter headings, to names in chains and having hundreds of Hadith between themselves missing. (Check 7-8th century Hijri scholar ibn AbdulHadi Hanbali's book on this)

The key secondary sources/ copies all continued to be altered (in some small ways) for centuries, with the most extensive update by Younini (8th century H, scholar), who also made amendments to grammar etc with the help of Ibn Malik (famous grammarian)
Younini's copy is also lost but what we have as a manuscript is someone who copied it from him; a tertiary source.(who he was? whether he was reliable? made any mistakes? We simply have no idea)

Almost all copies today are simply based on the Sultaniya manuscript (which is only approx 100 years old commissioned by Sultan AbdulHamid II) apparently it was based on the tertiary copy taken from Younini.

The Sultaniya copy has already undergone several updates each time altering many errors, the first update by a body of al-Azhar scholars found atleast 100 mistakes.

As to the claim that everyone knew Imam Bukhari had a book, that is undisputed. The question is whether this book today is 100% that book? Or what is the margin of error? 20%? 30%?
Which Hadith fall into that margin? The blasphemous ones that insult Islam? E.g.
The Prophet marrying a child?
The Prophet asking a woman to give herself to him?
The Prophet Moses running naked so people could see his testicles?
#FoodForThought? ?

How can we know these to be the words of the Prophet?

As to the response; other scholars relied on Sahih Bukhari like Nasai, well, imam Nasai claims to have received a copy sent to him via Farabri, interesting? Since Imam Nasai doesnt even vouch for Farabri as a reliable scholar of Hadith.

Worth noting, Farabri in one incident claims 90, 000 (90 thousand!! ?) scholars took Sahih Bukhari directly from the Imam, Farabri goes on to add that he however, is the only one still alive transmuting it. Even imam Zhahabi apologises for this statement of Farabri as nonsensical.

Such problems of authenticity exist with other books too although Bukhari is quite worse
1. becuase of his semi-divine status (subconsciously granted to his book as the most authentic after the Quran!! Which is an utter lie)

2. Moreover, because Imam Bukhari was deemed a heretic in the last few years of his life and nobody would transmit Hadith from him, hence even in his final years when he finds refuge with ibn Faaris Neesapuri the latter only transmits his Tareekh book and not his Sahih.

As to the claim; Sahih Bukhari can be validated through other books, the answer is in its entirety it cant beyond reasonable doubt because

1. Those books have many of these problems too
2. To what extent did they bounce off each other? (This is a discussion for another day).

I only write this becuase unfortunately many Muslims have chosen to compromise the Honour of our Prophet ص due to their loyalty to their denomination.

Anybody feels that thet can prove Sahih Bukhari back to the Imam beyond reasonable doubt... please do so without delay

As to the #Question should we reject all Hadith?
The #answer briefly is;

1.No! We make a distinction between Hadith & Sunnah
2. The Sunnah is already preserved in the living practice/Tradition of Fiqh.
 

Dream Seller

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
It’s amazing how people are questioning the collections of the Hadith without the knowledge of how Hadiths were collected and without knowing the science of Hadiths. Mind boggling
 

Citizen X

President (40k+ posts)
It’s amazing how people are questioning the collections of the Hadith without the knowledge of how Hadiths were collected and without knowing the science of Hadiths. Mind boggling
FYI the person who made these claims is a recognized mufti, more trained than any person on this forum here is his bio

He carried out preliminary Arabic and Islamic Studies as a teenager in the UK before going to Damascus, Syria in the late 90's with a generation of students who were inspired by the likes of Shaykh Hamza Yusuf and others to seek Sacred Knowledge.

It was in Damascus, sharing his accommodation with young freshly graduated scholars and senior students of knowledge of Moroccan, Algerian and Tunisian descent. It was with them that he privately studied his basic Fiqh and Usul, in addition to studying at Ma'had al-Amaniya at Damascus University where he covered the essential elementary sciences of Islam.

Mufti then travelled to Pakistan to memorise the Qur'an along with Tafsir at the Jami`ah Muhammadiyyah Institute in Islamabad, Pakistan (under the supervision of Shaykh Amin-ulHasanat, the son of the Legendary Pir Karam Shah al-Azhari).

He then returned to Syria to recite the entire Qur'an to Shaykh `Abdu'l-Haadi at-Tabbaa' who was a key student of Shaykh Bakri al-Tarabeeshi (who held one of the most highest chains-asaneed in Quran worldwide). Shaykh Abdu'l-Haadi after listening to the entire Quran authorised Mufti Abu Layth to teach with an ijazah and chain of transmission (isnad) going back to the Messenger of Allah (SAW).

Amongst other Shuyukh whose public durus in Damascus Mufti benefited from were: Shaykh AbdurRazzaq alHalabi alHanafi, Shaykh Ramadan alBouti and Shaykh AbdulGhani al-Diqqar. Shaykh Abdulhani al-Diqqar, a free-sprited scholar, who had received international awards and was amongst the leading grammarians in the entire Muslim world, would teach weekly classes on Saheeh Bukhari. Mufti would often share personal dialogues with Shaykh AbdulGhani and was very inspired by his eccentric sense of humour despite his old age.

After gaining his ijazah, the Mufti returned to Pakistan, Karachi and completed the (Dars-e-Nizami) Alim Course at the renowned Jami`ah Binnoria, where studied the various Islamic Sciences ranging from Tafsir, Hadith, Usul, Comparative Fiqh, Arabic Literature, Arabic Grammar, history and Aqidah, from an elementary to advanced level.

In his final year (Dawrah Hadith) as is the custom he studied and completed cover to cover the major books of Hadith with understanding (Muwatta, Bukhari, Muslim, Tarmidhi, Abu Dawud, Nasai, Ibn Majah & Sharh Ma'ani aathar) and was authorised to teach them with an unbroken chain to their authors. He attained 3rd position in this class amongst approximately 90 students.

Mufti Abu Layth then completed the Mufti Course (a 2 yr training course in the practice of issuing Fatwa) at the same institute specialising further in Fiqh across the various madhhabs. His training was under the supervision of various renowned scholars including Mufti Abdullah Shoukat (who is a key student of Mufti Taqi Usmani) for Hanafi Fiqh, and Mufti Salim Al-Tunisi (A Maliki Mufti resident in Jamia Binnoria).

Amongst the texts studied were:

Mudawwanah (Sahnun)
Rad alMuhtar (ibn Aabidin)
Mawahib lJalil (Hattab)
Fawakih Dwaani (Nafrawi)
Muwafaqaat (Shaatibi)

Since his return to the UK in 2005, Mufti qualified as a professional teacher (PGCE) and completed his Masters degree (M.Ed) He has taught Arabic and Islamic Studies in various Schools and Colleges. His passion in Psychology led him to University studies once again, where he completed a degree in Psychology (B.Sc).

Mufti has continued his personal search for Sacred Knowledge and has since travelled to places like Al-Azhar, al-Qarawiyin and Dar ulHadith Hassania.

He was very fortunate to travel to Teteoun in 2015 to meet his inspiration Shaykh Muhammad BouKhubza (90+ years of age) and a student of Shaykh AbdilHayy alKattani, Shaykh Ahmad alGhumari and Shaykh ibn Aashur, the Shaykh authorised Mufti to teach through his chains (ijaazaat/asaneed), which cover hundreds of books on Hadith, Fiqh and many other areas.


So NOW can you say he is questioning without the knowledge of how Hadiths were collected and without knowing the science of Hadiths, is your mind still boggled?

I LOVED Sahih Bhukhari and have read it cover to cover, referred to it often, promoted it and would just not accept or even take seriously any such claims against Sahih Bhukari if they were made by some lalu panju nathu pathu.
 

Citizen X

President (40k+ posts)
BTW I have also read articles watched a ton of videos,made by people like Johnathan Brown, Yasir Qadhi, Nadwi, Sunni Defense etc etc trying to refute this claim, so I could see both sides of the coin and not have just one maybe biased view but everybody keeps going around in circles and nobody can prove that other than this one person Mohammad Ibn Yusuf Al Frabri the Sahih of Shahih Bhukhari has been transmitted by anyone else.

No matter what way you look at it, the whole argument is like an open funnel, it starts out very big at the down but at the end everything revolves and ends at this one man Al Frabri.
 

Citizen X

President (40k+ posts)
just when i began to read this post i knew it had to be him ? ?
You can attack the messenger but can't attack the points raised. If you can, I'm all ears.
I understand he's different and doesn't fit the what we have been led to believe is the "traditional" look of a mufti or mullah and very laid back but that is no reason to disregard the argument raised. Much more learned than you have tried and failed, like Yasir Qadhi for example.

 

Citizen X

President (40k+ posts)
just when i began to read this post i knew it had to be him ? ?
You can attack the messenger but can't attack the points raised. If you can, I'm all ears.
I understand he's different and doesn't fit the what we have been led to believe is the "traditional" look of a mufti or mullah and very laid back but that is no reason to disregard the argument raised. Much more learned than you have tried and failed, like Yasir Qadhi for example.

 

Prince of Dhump

Senator (1k+ posts)
You can attack the messenger but can't attack the points raised. If you can, I'm all ears.
I understand he's different and doesn't fit the what we have been led to believe is the "traditional" look of a mufti or mullah and very laid back but that is no reason to disregard the argument raised. Much more learned than you have tried and failed, like Yasir Qadhi for example.

haha no no
i didnt mean it in negative way..i love him
when i was reading ur post his adorable laugh came to my mind
 

منتظر

Minister (2k+ posts)
جناب عائشہ کی مکتوب آیت رضاعت اور آیت رجم کا بکری کو کھانا

جناب عائشہ کا قول ہے کہ آیت رجم اور دس رضاعت والی آیات نازل ہوئیں تھیں اور وہ ایک صحیفہ میں لکھی ہوئیں تھیں جو میرے پلنگ کے نیچے تھا البتہ جب رسول ص کی وفات ہوئی تو ہم اس میں مشغول ہوئے یہاں تک کہ ایک بکری داخل ہوئی اور اس نے وہ صحیفہ کھالیا (جن میں آیات تھیں)۔

سنن ابن ماجہ رقم ١٩٤٤ و مصادر دیگر۔

بعض الناس نے اس روایت کی صحت پر شک کیا تھا تو کچھ اسکین نکالے ہیں اور کچھ دیگر مصادر نکالے ہیں تاکہ کوئی شک کی گنجائش نہ رہے (یاد رہے کہ علامہ زبیر علی زئی، علامہ البانی، علامہ حمزہ زین اور علامہ ابن حزم نے روایت کو صحیح و حسن قرار دیا ہے)


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١، اس روایت کے لگانے کا مقصد ناصبی حضرات کے شک کو دور کرنا تھا کہ آیا یہ روایت معتبر ہے یا نہیں، تو جواب میں اسکین و حوالے جات لگائیں ہیں، بعض حضرات نے ابن اسحاق کے معنعن پر اعتراض کیا تھا تو کچھ اسکین اس کی تحدیث پر لگائیں ہیں کہ فقط معنعن نہیں بلکہ تحدیث بھی موجود ہے

٢، بعض الناس نے اس کو دین دشمنوں کی سازش قرار دیا تھا۔ کہ انہوں نے وضع کی تو یہاں پر تصحیحات دیکھائی (البانی کی تحقیق ابن ماجہ، زبیر علی زئی کی تحقیق ابن ماجہ نے اس کو حسن کہا، ابن حزم نے المحلی میں صحیح، حمزہ زین نے اس کی سند کو صحیح کہا)۔



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یہ رہی وہ ظالم ? سنی بکری جس نے قران میں تحریف کی۔۔۔۔ :-)
 

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Now a days there is too much Propaganda against Muslims by Christians where they mention some fabricated hadeeths to defame Muslims. Unfortunately some of the Shia brothers has also teamed with them. I thought it may be useful for the members to know the reality of these fabricated Hadeeth. Below is the article explaining the fabricated hadeeth about a goat eating Qur'an etc.

Question: There is this hadith that a Christian is posting in Internet forums. It is hadith no. 1944 in Sunan Ibn Maajah, Kitaab an-Nikaah, which has to do with a goat eating the Qur’an. It was posted in a forum for discussion between Muslims and Christians. I would like to know the whole story about this matter and its history.


Answer: Firstly:

Talking about the hadith mentioned in the question requires a little detail from specialists in the study of hadith. It is not sufficient to give a general answer or an answer based only on one’s personal view of the matter. Therefore we hope that the questioner will learn and pay attention to the way in which we will trace different versions of the hadith, with different chains of narrators. Thus the facts about it will become clear, in sha Allah.

All versions of the hadith are based on the following chain of narrators:

‘Abdullah ibn Abi Bakr ibn Hazm, from ‘Amrah bint ‘Abd ar-Rahmaan, from ‘Aa’ishah (may Allah be pleased with her). The isnaad ends with her and does not go back to the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah upon him).

The hadith was taken from ‘Abdullah ibn Abi Bakr by a number of narrators and their narrations are as follows:

1. It was narrated by Yahya ibn Sa‘eed al-Ansaari. His version says: It was revealed in the Qur’an that ten definite breastfeedings are required (to establish the relationship of mahram), then it was also revealed that five definite breastfeedings are required.

This was narrated by Imam Muslim in his Saheeh (no. 1452) and others. We may note that this version does not say anything about the story of the goat or tame sheep eating any of the pages of the Holy Qur’an.

2. It was narrated by Imam Maalik (may Allah have mercy on him). His version says: Among that which was revealed of the Qur’an was the ruling that those ten definite breastfeedings are required to establish the relationship of mahram, then that was abrogated and replaced with five definite breastfeedings. When the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) died, this was among the things that were recited in the Qur’an.

This was narrated by Maalik in al-Muwatta’ (Kitaab ar-Ridaa‘, hadith no. 17), and via him by Imam Muslim (1452) and others. We may note here that the report of Imam Maalik from ‘Abdullah ibn Abi Bakr also does not include any mention of the story of the goat or tame sheep eating anything of the Mus-haf. Rather one sentence is added to it at the end: When the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) died, this was among the things that were recited in the Qur’an.

3.It was narrated by Muhammad ibn Ishaaq. His version says: The verse of stoning and breastfeeding of an adult ten times was revealed, and it was written on a leaf that was kept beneath a bed in my [‘Aa’ishah’s] house. When the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) fell sick, we were preoccupied with his situation, and a little animal of ours came in and ate it.

This was narrated by Imam Ahmad in al-Musnad (43/343), and Ibn Maajah in as-Sunan (no. 1944); the latter version says: When the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it.

As you can see, this version does mention the odd phrase that is additional to what was narrated by the two great imams, Yahya ibn Sa‘eed al-Ansaari and Maalik ibn Anas (may Allah have mercy on them both). This is what the questioner referred to in his question. In this version of the hadith it says that a tame sheep – which is a sheep that people feed in their homes – came in and ate the page that contained the verse of stoning and the verse of breastfeeding an adult.

This difference was sufficient for the scholars of hadith to rule that the version narrated by Muhammad ibn Ishaaq was da‘eef (weak), and that it was to be rejected and regarded as odd. In their view, the odd hadith is any hadith in which a trustworthy narrator differed with that which was narrated by other trustworthy narrators who were more accurate than him in the narration or were greater in number. This is a sound academic principle, because how can one narrator have additional wording in a hadith that others also narrated from the original narrators, when the latter are greater in number, more accurate in memory and narration, and of higher status in knowledge of hadith? Why didn’t they also narrate this additional or different material? Is there any other way to understand what happened, except by referring to that rule in order to know where some narrators differed in their narration and included some odd material in it? If that is not the case (and you do not want to refer to that rule), then how could this debater convince us that Muhammad ibn Ishaaq learned of the hadith of ‘Aa’ishah that which both Yahya ibn Sa‘eed al-Ansaari and Maalik ibn Anas had forgotten, when they were both leading scholars and senior figures in their field? In fact Sufyaan ath-Thawri (may Allah have mercy on him) said: Yahya ibn Sa‘eed al-Ansaari was, in the view of the people of Madinah, of a higher standard in the field of hadith than az-Zuhri. ‘Ali ibn al-Madeeni regarded him as one of the most authentic and trustworthy narrators of hadith, and one of those concerning whom one would have no sense of unease with their hadith at all. Ahmad ibn Hanbal said concerning him: He is one of the most accurate in narration. Wuhayb said: I came to Madinah and I did not see anyone but you might feel comfortable with some of what they narrated and have reservations about other reports of theirs, except Maalik and Yahya ibn Sa‘eed (i.e., all of their reports could be accepted without reservation).

See: Tahdheeb at-Tahdheeb (11/223)

So how about if we know that Muhammad ibn Ishaaq is criticised by some scholars of hadith, and there were some mistakes that were noted in his narrations, and it was noted that he differed in some of his narrations from the narration of some leading trustworthy scholars? We cannot accept the narration of such a person if it differs from the narration of other trustworthy narrators, and we do not accept from him any weird or odd wording that other trustworthy narrators did not narrate.

Hanbal ibn Ishaaq said: I heard Abu ‘Abdullah say: The narration of Ibn Ishaaq cannot be used as proof.

‘Abdullah ibn Ahmad said: He – i.e., Ahmad ibn Hanbal – did not use his reports as evidence when discussing what is Sunnah.

Ayyoob ibn Ishaaq said: I asked Ahmad ibn Hanbal: O Abu ‘Abdullah, if Ibn Ishaaq is the only narrator of the hadith, will you accept it? He said: No, by Allah, for I have seen him putting together the words of many narrators in a single hadith, and not separating the narration of one person from that of another.

Yahya ibn Ma‘een classed him as da‘eef in one report narrated from him. An-Nasaa’i said: He is not qawiy (strong). Ad-Daaraqutni said: The leading scholars differed concerning him, and he is not an authority; rather his narration may be taken into consideration (alongside others)

See: Tahdheeb at-Tahdheeb (9/45).

We have previously discussed Muhammad ibn Ishaaq in detail in fatwa no. 148009

What will make the matter clearer is the fact that al-Qaasim ibn Muhammad, like ‘Abdullah ibn Abi Bakr, narrated the hadith without the additional material of Muhammad ibn Ishaaq.

At-Tahhaawi narrated in Sharh Mushkil al-Athaar (11/486): Muhammad ibn Khuzaymah told us: al-Hajjaaj ibn Minhaal told us: Hammaad ibn Salamah told us, from ‘Abd ar-Rahmaan ibn al-Qaasim, from al-Qaasim ibn Muhammad, from ‘Amrah, that ‘Aa’ishah (may Allah be pleased with her) said: Among the things that were revealed in the Qur’an, then abrogated, was that the relationship of mahram cannot be established except by ten breastfeedings, then after that it was revealed: or five breastfeedings.

To sum up, the story of the sheep eating a page of the Holy Qur’an in the house of ‘Aa’ishah (may Allah be pleased with her) is da‘eef (weak) and is not proven.

Ibn Qutaybah ad-Daynoori (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

The versions of the hadith narrated by Maalik are different to those narrated by Muhammad ibn Ishaaq, and Maalik is more accurate, according to the scholars of hadith, than Muhammad ibn Ishaaq.

End quote from Ta’weel Mukhtalif al-Hadith (p. 443)

The commentators on the Musnad of Imam Ahmad said:

Its isnaad is da‘eef because the only one who narrated it was Muhammad ibn Ishaaq, and its text contains something odd.

End quote from the Mu’sasat ar-Risaalah edn (43/343)

Al-Aloosi (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

With regard to the additional material having been on a page that was kept with ‘Aa’ishah and was eaten by the tame sheep, it is a fabrication and lie of the heretics that this was lost as the result of being eaten by a tame sheep without being abrogated. This is what it says in al-Kashshaaf.

End quote from Rooh al-Ma‘aani (11/140)

Ibn Hazm (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

It was proven that the wording was abrogated, but the sheet on which it was written remained, as ‘Aa’ishah (may Allah be pleased with her) said – then it was eaten by the tame sheep; but no one needs it (that verse). Something similar may be said with regard to the verse on breastfeeding, and there is no difference between the two. The proof of that is that they memorised (the verse) as we have mentioned. So if it was confirmed as being part of the Qur’an, the fact that the sheep ate it would not have changed the fact that it was part of the Qur’an, based on the fact that they had memorised it.

Thus we may conclude with certainty that no two Muslims differ concerning the fact that Allah, may He be exalted, enjoined upon His Messenger (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) the conveying of the message, and that he (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) conveyed it as he had been instructed to do. … And we may conclude, with regard to the verses that were lost, that if the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) had been instructed to convey them, he would have done so, and if he had conveyed them they would have been memorised, and if they had been memorised then the death of the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) would not affect the matter at all, just as the fact that he (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) died did not affect anything else of what he had conveyed of the Qur’an.

End quote from al-Muhalla (12/177)


Al-Baaqilaani (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

There is no one on the face of the earth more ignorant than one who thinks that the Messenger and the Sahaabah were all careless with regard to the Qur’an and that they would not memorise it and learn it by heart, and that they would rely for confirming it on a sheet that was placed under the bed of ‘Aa’ishah only, a sheet that was thrown on the floor and disrespected, until the neighbourhood sheep came in and ate it, resulting in the loss of that sheet and whatever was written on it!

We wonder what it was that could have allegedly led the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) to such negligence, helplessness and carelessness, when he had been entrusted with the religion and had been instructed to protect it and preserve it, and to appoint scribes to write it, as he had a large number of people who were skilled in the field of writing, whose main task was to write down the Qur’an that was revealed to him, and to write down covenants, deeds, trusts and other matters that might occur or be connected to the Messenger, especially since there was a need to keep a record of it.

The main task of the Messenger (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) was only to explain and protect the Qur’an, and protect the religion; he had no occupation or any other worldly concerns to distract him from that, except some efforts he might undertake to support and reinforce the religion, and to promote and explain the Qur’an. Otherwise, how could it be possible that all of these people and all of the Sahaabah would not be aware of the verses about breastfeeding and stoning, so that no one would know about them or refer to them, except ‘Aa’ishah alone?

Therefore, based on what we have described about how the Messenger was devoted to conveying the message, and the Sahaabah were keen to learn and memorise it, it is not possible that they could have lost something of the Book of Allah, may He be exalted, whether it was small or great; people of such calibre should be the greatest of people in memorising it and preserving what was revealed of it and what happened concerning it, such as the dates when it was revealed, the reasons for revelation, and what abrogated and was abrogated.

End quote from al-Intisaar li’l-Qur’an (1/412-418)

Whatever the case, what the Muslim is required to do is to constantly be aware and careful, so he should not believe everyone who makes some claim, and he should not follow every rumour, myth or story that is narrated here or there, especially in Internet chat rooms and forums, because they may be visited by knowledgeable and ignorant people alike, both speakers of truth and liars, sincere people and hateful hypocrites. Such matters require investigation and verification, by asking knowledgeable people and referring to authentic Islamic books; many such resources are widely available, praise be to Allah. Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “And follow not (O man i.e., say not, or do not or witness not, etc.) that of which you have no knowledge (e.g. ones saying: ‘I have seen,’ while in fact he has not seen, or ‘I have heard,’ while he has not heard). Verily! The hearing, and the sight, and the heart, of each of those you will be questioned (by Allah)” [al-Isra’ 17:36].

For more information, see the answers to questions no. 22029 and 106399

And Allah knows best.

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تمارے جیسا انسان میں نے بہت کم دیکھا ہے تم نے بد دیانتی کی حد کر دی ہے جو حدیث کل میں نے دی اس پر تمارا جواب ادھر ہی بنتا تھا یا پھر اگر علیحدہ سے تھریڈ بنایا تھا تو مجھے مینشن کیا جاتا یاد رہے کے سب سے پہلے تم نے اور تمارے جوٹی ڈار نے شیعہ پر تحریف قران کا بیہودہ الزام لگایا اور پھر مرچ مسالے لگا لگا لگا کر تم اور محترمہ سٹیزن صاحبہ ایک دوسرے سے سوالات جوابات کرتی رہیں اور معصوم شیعوں کا دل دکھایا
جب میں نے تم لوگوں کو اصل حقیقت کا صرف ٹریلر ہی دکھایا تو تم لوگ مختلف ویڈیوز پوسٹ کرنے لگے یہ تو تم لوگوں کی جاہلیت ہے اور ہونی بھی چاہیے تھی کیں کے تم لوگ علمی حساب سے بھی لاوارث ہو اور یہ حدیث رجم والی اس کو تم لوگوں نے بہت زور لگایا کے اس کو کسی طرح ضعییف ثابت کیا جاے پر ایسا ہو نہیں سکتا ہے میں اس پر اب جو تحقیق ہوئی ہے وہ بھی ادھر پیش کر چکا ہوں اوپر ہوں جو ثابت کرتی ہے
 

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امی جان حضرت عایشہ کی بکری راوی اسحاق کے رد کا جواب

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یہ روایت جو بکری کا صحیفہ قرآن کھانے والی ہے اس کو علامہ البانی، علامہ زبیر علی زئی، علامہ ابن حزم نے توثیق کی ہے
١، علامہ البانی اس روایت کو حسن کہا
(سنن ابن ماجہ بتحقیق الالبانی، ص ٦٢٥، رقم ١٩٤٤، طبع دار الفکر)٢

، علامہ زبیر علی زئی نے اس روایت کو حسن کہا (سنن ابن ماجہ انگریزی بتحقیق زبیر زئی، ج ٣، ص ١١٤، رقم ١٩٤٤)٣

، علامہ ابن حزم نے رویت کو صحیح کہا (المحلی بالآثار، ج ١١، ص ٢٣٦)


: http://islamport.com/w/fqh/Web/862/3276.htm

٢، سنن ابن ماجہ تحقیق الابانی:
http://islamport.com/d/1/mtn/1/50/1616.html
مزید یہ کہ یہ روایت محمد بن اسحاق سے بصیغہ حدثنا بھی منقول ہے نہ کہ فقط عن سے
26359 - حدثنا عبد الله حدثني أبي ثنا يعقوب قال ثنا أبي عن بن إسحاق قال حدثني عبد الله بن أبي بكر بن عمرو بن حزم عن عمرة بنت عبد الرحمن عن عائشة زوج النبي صلى الله عليه و سلم قالت : لقد أنزلت آية الرجم ورضعات الكبير عشرا فكانت في ورقة تحت سرير في بيتي فلما اشتكى رسول الله صلى الله عليه و سلم تشاغلنا بأمره ودخلت دويبة لنا فأكلتهامسند احمد، جلد ٦ ص ٢٦٩http://islamport.com/d/1/mtn/1/89/3527.html

تو یہ اعتراض ختم ہوا کہ یہ عن کے صیغہ سے ہی منقول ہے
علامہ حمزہ احمد زین نے اس روایت کی سند کو صحیح کہا
مسند احمد، ج ١٨، ص ١٨٨، طبع دار الحدیث قاھرہ مصرکتاب ادھر سے ڈان لوڈ کریں: https://ia801008.us.archive.org/27/items/WAQmusndaWAQ/musnda18.pdf
چنانچہ اس روایت کی تضعیف کرنا حماقت ہے، ہم نے اب تک کم سے کم چار علماء کے نام بتائے جن میں بعض معاصر ہیں جنہوں نے صحیح اور حسن کہا ہے۔ باقی ابن اسحاق کو جمہور نے ثقہ کہا ہے

 

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I would disagree with you here. Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukhari are the two most authentic Books of hadeeths, there is Ijam of all Ulema of Sunni school of thought . But you can not claim that it is free of errors. Muhaddis had been working very hard to identify the weak Hadeeths from all books of haddeeths. Now, even Islam360 App can tell you about the authenticity of hadeeth. Thanks to hard work done by Sunni Muhaddiseen over period of centuries. Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukhari contains more than 95% authentic Hadeeths. If there are few Hadeeths in Sahih Bukhai (all of them are identified) it does not mean that you throw away the whole Book.

After Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukhari there are four more Books of hadeeths, Tirmizi, Abu Dawud, Nisai, Ibne Maja which has 60 - 80 % authentuc Hadeeths.

Following is the Summary of Maqadimah Sahih Muslim by Imam Muslim, which can shed more light on this topic:




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ابھی تم لوگوں کی اس روایت سے ہی جان نہیں چھوٹنی ہے ابھی میرے پاس ابن عمر کی بھی روایت موجود ہے بلکل صحیح سند کے ساتھ تحریف قران پر وہ بھی ادھر لگاؤں گا پہلے اس سے تو جان چھڑا کر دکھاؤ تم لوگ دوسروں کے دین پر نقطہ چینی کرتے ہو کبھی اپنے مذھب کے بارے سوچا ہے کے کن گمراہ لوگوں کے پیروکار ہو تم لوگوں کا چھٹا خلیفہ یا امام یذید ہے
تم لوگوں کے پاس اپنی خلافت کا کوئی قران یا حدیث سے ثبوت نہیں ہے مرزا محمد علی نے پوری بات نہیں کی ڈنڈی مار گیا ہے کے مولا نے بیعت کر لی تھی چھ ماہ بعد مولا نے بیعت کی ہوتی تو ان سب کے جنازے پڑھتے ان کے ساتھ جنگوں میں آگے آگے ہوتے کسی کی بھی نماز جنازہ میں مولا علی نے شرکت نہیں کی کیوں کے انہوں نے ان کے بھائی رسول خدا کی تدفین میں حصہ نہیں لیا
مرزا پوری بات کرتا نہیں ہے صحیح مسلم کی وہ حدیث تو لگائی نہیں جس میں مولا ان لوگوں کو کیا سمجھتے تھے جس کی بیعت کی جاے اس کے بارے راے اس طرح کی نہیں ہوتی بہر حال ابھی تم اپنے دولے شاہ کے چوہے والے ننھے منے دماغ پر زیادہ بوجھ مت ڈالنا ابھی صرف اس روایت کو مانو پھر آگے کی سیر تم کو کروائی جاے گی

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ابھی تم لوگوں کی اس روایت سے ہی جان نہیں چھوٹنی ہے ابھی میرے پاس ابن عمر کی بھی روایت موجود ہے بلکل صحیح سند کے ساتھ تحریف قران پر وہ بھی ادھر لگاؤں گا پہلے اس سے تو جان چھڑا کر دکھاؤ تم لوگ دوسروں کے دین پر نقطہ چینی کرتے ہو کبھی اپنے مذھب کے بارے سوچا ہے کے کن گمراہ لوگوں کے پیروکار ہو تم لوگوں کا چھٹا خلیفہ یا امام یذید ہے
تم لوگوں کے پاس اپنی خلافت کا کوئی قران یا حدیث سے ثبوت نہیں ہے مرزا محمد علی نے پوری بات نہیں کی ڈنڈی مار گیا ہے کے مولا نے بیعت کر لی تھی چھ ماہ بعد مولا نے بیعت کی ہوتی تو ان سب کے جنازے پڑھتے ان کے ساتھ جنگوں میں آگے آگے ہوتے کسی کی بھی نماز جنازہ میں مولا علی نے شرکت نہیں کی کیوں کے انہوں نے ان کے بھائی رسول خدا کی تدفین میں حصہ نہیں لیا
مرزا پوری بات کرتا نہیں ہے صحیح مسلم کی وہ حدیث تو لگائی نہیں جس میں مولا ان لوگوں کو کیا سمجھتے تھے جس کی بیعت کی جاے اس کے بارے راے اس طرح کی نہیں ہوتی بہر حال ابھی تم اپنے دولے شاہ کے چوہے والے ننھے منے دماغ پر زیادہ بوجھ مت ڈالنا ابھی صرف اس روایت کو مانو پھر آگے کی سیر تم کو کروائی جاے گی

Citizen X
I think CitizenX rightly put you on ignore list. You are very abusive and budzaban. I decided not to communicate with you anymore after watching following Shia Takfeeri videos:

 

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Minister (2k+ posts)
I think CitizenX rightly put you on ignore list. You are very abusive and budzaban. I decided not to communicate with you anymore after watching following Shia Takfeeri videos:

منافق انسان کل تو تو مجھے بھائی کہ رہا تھا اور اب اگنور کرنے کی باتیں کر رہا تھا شرافت سے یہ جو بکری آیت رجم کھا گئی ہے اس کو ڈھونڈھ کر ادھر لاؤ ورنہ توبہ کر آئندہ شیعہ کے بارے بہتان نہیں لگاے گا منافق انسان میں نے تو تم لوگوں کے نجس عقیدے کو کبھی ٹارگٹ نہیں کیا شروع میں تم لوگ خود آ بیل مجھے مار والی بات کرتے ہو تم نے تھریڈ ادھر بنا کر کاپی پیٹ والا یہ ثابت کیا ہے کے تم انہی مکار شخص ہو اب جلدی سے وہ بکری ڈھونڈھ کر لاؤ یہ تو میں ثابت کر چکا کے تم لوگوںکی بلی رجم کی آیت کھا چکی ہے

توبیشک مجھے جواب نہ دے لیکن جدھر بھی تو نے شیعہ بارے بک بک کی میں تیری ایسی حالت پھر کروں گا یاد ہو گا کچھ ماہ پہلے تو نے بولا کے بخاری جی کی روایت مانوں گا وہ جب لگائی تو تو اس تھریڈ سے ویسے فرار ہوا جیسے کوئی صفین سے فرار ہوا تھا
 
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