Would someone be mislead after reading Qur'an Translation? کیا بغیر استاد قرآن ترجمہ پڑھنے سے گمراہ ہو سکتا ہے

Prince of Dhump

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So, now you have decided to have fight with Allah (Nauzobillah). Allah says in Qur'an at various places that " Qur'an is easy" but you decided to have an opposite opinion.!!

وَلَقَدْ يَسَّرْنَا الْقُرْآنَ لِلذِّكْرِ فَهَلْ مِن مُّدَّكِرٍ​
And We have indeed made the Qur'an easy to understand and remember: then is there any that will receive admonition? (Quraan; 54:17) FOUR TIMES IN THE SAME SURAH
اور البتہ ہم نے تو سمجھنے کے لیے قرآن کو آسان کر دیا پھر کوئی ہے کہ سمجھے


الَّذِينَ آتَيْنَاهُمُ الْكِتَابَ يَتْلُونَهُ حَقَّ تِلَاوَتِهِ أُولَـٰئِكَ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِهِ ۗ وَمَن يَكْفُرْ بِهِ فَأُولَـٰئِكَ هُمُ الْخَاسِرُونَ​
Those to whom We have sent the Book study it as it should be studied: They are the ones that believe therein: Those who reject faith therein,- the loss is their own. (Quraan; 2:121)
وہ لوگ جنہیں ہم نے کتاب دی ہے وہ اسے پڑھتے ہیں جیسا اس کے پڑھنے کا حق ہے وہی لوگ اس پر ایمان لاتے ہیں جور اس سے انکار کرتے ہیں وہی نقصان اٹھانے والے ہیں

أَفَلَا يَتَدَبَّرُونَ الْقُرْآنَ أَمْ عَلَىٰ قُلُوبٍ أَقْفَالُهَا​
Do they not then earnestly seek to understand the Qur'an, or are their hearts locked up by them? (Quraan; 47:24)
پھر کیوں قرآن پر غور نہیں کرتے کیا ان کے دلوں پر قفل پڑے ہوئے ہیں


فَإِنَّمَا يَسَّرْنَاهُ بِلِسَانِكَ لِتُبَشِّرَ بِهِ الْمُتَّقِينَ وَتُنذِرَ بِهِ قَوْمًا لُّدًّا​
So have We made the (Qur'an) easy in thine own tongue, that with it thou mayest give Glad Tidings to the righteous, and warnings to people given to contention. (Quraan; 19:97)
سو ہم نے فرمان کو تیری زبان میں اس لیےآسان کیا ہے کہ تو اس سے پرہیز گاروں کو خوشخبری سنا دے اور جھگڑنے والوں کو ڈرا دے

The Quran is easy to understand and remember contrary to what we have learned all our lives that we need an Alim or Tafsir to help us learn the Quran.

The Quran was created by Allah ,our Creator and Sustainer. It was then revealed to our beloved Prophet Mohammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) for the entire human race. The target readers of this book are human beings of different mental levels. This fact itself is the greatest miracle of Quran. Any other book of human creation has a specific target reader. For example a science textbook for a primary class student will be written in such a way that primary students easily understand it. In the same way a book on anatomy for a student of medicine will be meaningful for a medical student. Each book is written at a different level. On the contrary Allah has created Quran: as A Book for All. It would be wrong to say that , It contains something for everybody , rather It contains everything for everybody.

The basic requirement of the reader of Quran is that its contents be understood. It is our basic duty to study it and understand it. Ignorance of Arabic language should not be a barrier for us. Quran is a book that has been studied and researched the most. There are many beautiful translations available in English and other languages. We should earnestly try to read these translations. Everybody and anybody can read the Quran. By read is implied that we read it in a language we are comfortable in. It is because the main aim should be to understand the meaning.
Ur here to educate us but then ur blaming me that i want to fight against God. Its not a good attitude and i would humbly suggest to reconsider it.
My view might be wrong so kindly point that out but dont suppose such things on my behalf.

The references u have quoted are intended for different purposes and not for the intention that Quran is easy. Quran is easy for remembrance. Can remembrance be generalised to other faculties..

In many references that u quote there is the word tadabbur..not everyone is capable of that.

Nonetheless May Allah provide us with the intended understanding of Quran..
before quitting here one last question..
if a common person read Quran and start beating his wife and justify it with Quran..how would u view that
 

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Brother, as I mentioned in one of my previous post that we both have already discussed the topic of Imamat about four years in the same forum. See an old thread Namaz ke tareeqay per itna ikhtalaf (Post # 37)
where you quoted following irrelevant verse to support Shia Doctrine of Immat:

إِنَّا نَحْنُ نُحْيِي الْمَوْتَىٰ وَنَكْتُبُ مَا قَدَّمُوا وَآثَارَهُمْ ۚ وَكُلَّ شَيْءٍ أَحْصَيْنَاهُ فِي إِمَامٍ مُّبِينٍ
(Qur'an 36:12)
Verily We shall give life to the dead, and We record that which they send before and that which they leave behind, and of all things have We taken account in a clear Book (of evidence).
بے شک ہم ہی مردوں کو زندہ کریں گے اور جو انھوں نے آگے بھیجا اور جو پیچھے چھوڑا اس کو لکھتے ہیں اور ہم نے ہر چیز کو کتاب واضح (لوح محفوظ) میں محفوظ کر رکھا ہے

"In above verse 36:12, the word “imam” is used to refer to Lauhul Mahfudh, the Preserved Tablet in which all deeds are recorded.
The top Shia commentaries of Majma ul Bayan by Allamah Tabbarsi and Tibbyan by Shaykh Tusi also echo this view, and do not present any “human Imam” as a possibility in this case. In Tafseer Al-Mizan, Allamah Tabatabai mentions this as the best possible meaning for this phrase. In addition, Ayatullah Makarem Shirazi in his commentary mentions the Preserved Tablet as his view of what “Imaamin Mubin” refers to in this verse. (Tafseer Tibbyan, Volume 8, p.447-448; Tafseer Al Mizan, Volume 17, p.66-68; Naser Makarem Shirazi Commentary, Volume 5, p.271-272) " see my post#42 in the same thread.
This "interpretation means nothing to me as you are modifying the words according to your belief and you failed to provide dictionary reference.
Ask yourself a simple question, "what guidance are you getting from your Imam Mubeen?" . Surely you are getting nothing from looh e mekhfoz, therefore it is proved that you have wrong interpretation.
I asked myself many times what guidance can I get from Hazrat Ali and I got answers to my questions many times. I remember last time, I presented a question to you (or to some other guy) that people do tauba and again they get into same sin again and again, so what is the cure for it. I remember you could not gave any explanation.
.. . . . . .
If there is nothing decided between us, then I will continue presenting my belief and you can continue present your belief on this forum. Simple!!!
 

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You mean Allah forgot to mention in Al-Qamar that


بشرطیک اپنےقیاس کی بنا پر نہ سمجھا جائے“



The same verse/message is repeated 4 times without ifs and buts and with the word used is “Indeed”

There is no need to distort the message which is so clear and repeated 4 times
You could have read the remaining of my comment and then ask for explanation. It is clear by your comment that you just read one line and jump to conclusion.
Anyway, if Quran is really simple to understand BY YOUR OWN WISDOM, then I have questions for you. Inform me if you are ready to answer my questions.
 

Pakistani1947

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Ur here to educate us but then ur blaming me that i want to fight against God. Its not a good attitude and i would humbly suggest to reconsider it.
I apologize for my harsh language. Please forgive me for that and may Allah give hidayat to both of us (Aameen)

First let’s do word by word translation of verse 54:17 :

Source: http://download.understandquran.com/fileadmin/user_upload/vocabulary/translation/urdu/para27.pdf

Hence more accurate translation of Verse 54:17 is :

اور تحقیق ہم نےنصیحت کے لیے قرآن کو آسان کر دیا تو کیا ہے کوئی نصیحت پکڑنے والا ؟

There is no denying the fact that the Qur'an has been made easy and appropriate to serve as a reminder of the of faith (ایمان) and guidance (نصیحت).
It however contains things which can only be fully grasped and used as a guide in deriving laws etc. by the scholars but that does not render it a book that is completely useless for the common reader. It provides sufficient guidance to a commoner as well as scholars. It is only deriving the laws and deciphering meaning of parts of the text that are difficult (for their being in Arabic language) we are not concerned about that.
Qur’an allows to consult those who possess knowledge:

(Qur'an 21:7) وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَا قَبْلَكَ إِلَّا رِجَالًا نُّوحِي إِلَيْهِمْ ۖ فَاسْأَلُوا أَهْلَ الذِّكْرِ إِن كُنتُمْ لَا تَعْلَمُونَ​
Before thee, also, the messengers We sent were but men, to whom We granted inspiration: If ye realize this not, ask of those who possess the Message.
اور ہم نے تم سے پہلے بھی تو آدمیوں ہی کو رسول بنا کر بھیجا تھا ان کی طرف ہم وحی بھیجا کرتے تھے اگر تم نہیں جانتے تو علم والوں سے پوچھ لو

But to seek guidance we can read a reliable translation of the text and try to understand what it says, as Qur’an says that it is easy get guidance (نصیحت) from Qur'an:

"ہم نےنصیحت کے لیے قرآن کو آسان کر دیا " Qur'an 54:17

The problem arises when someone says do not read the translation of Qur'an directly, without the presence of scholar, else you will go astray.

مسئلہ اس وقت پیدا ہوتا ہے جب کوئی کہتا ہے کہ براہ راست قرآن کے ترجمے کو عالم کی موجودگی کے بغیر مت پڑھو ، ورنہ آپ گمراہ ہوجائیں گے
If we do not read the translation of Qur'an directly then even with following very clear verse (Qur'an 1:5) some of us will seek help (مشکل کشائی) from Ghus e Azam or Hazrat Ali (RA) instead of directly asking for help from Allah.

(Qur'an 1:5) إِيَّاكَ نَعْبُدُ وَإِيَّاكَ نَسْتَعِينُ
It is You we worship and You we ask for help.
ہم تیری ہی عبادت کرتے ہیں اور تجھ ہی سے مدد مانگتے ہیں
 
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Prince of Dhump

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There is no denying the fact that the Qur'an has been made easy and appropriate to serve as a reminder of the of faith (ایمان) and guidance (نصیحت).
It however contains things which can only be fully grasped and used as a guide in deriving laws etc. by the scholars but that does not render it a book that is completely useless for the common reader.

That was my point in the first place..sorry if i havent made it clearer enough
 

akinternational

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کیا آپ میرے سوالات کا جواب دینے کو تیار ہیں ؟ اگر تیار ہیں تو
. . . . . . . .

مجھ سے یہ سوال پیشگی پوچھنے کی وجہ ؟
janab ap se aalm e haq ki tareef aur naam poocha tha maloomat ke liye paka imtehan maqsood na tha, agar ap bura man gaye to muazrat, phir bhi sawal apni jagah mojud hai....ham apka her sawal sunne ko bechen hain irshad farmaiye...jazakallah
............Wahid hal ISLAMI INQELAB, iman le ao, koshish karo, dua karo, sabr karo.......
 

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janab ap se aalm e haq ki tareef aur naam poocha tha maloomat ke liye paka imtehan maqsood na tha, agar ap bura man gaye to muazrat, phir bhi sawal apni jagah mojud hai....ham apka her sawal sunne ko bechen hain irshad farmaiye...jazakallah
............Wahid hal ISLAMI INQELAB, iman le ao, koshish karo, dua karo, sabr karo.......
سوال پوچھنے کا موقع دینے کا شکریہ
آپ سے ایک چھوٹی سی سورت کے متعلق سوال پوچھنا چاہتا ہوں

پس (اے نبیؐ) اس کے بعد کون جزا و سزا کے معاملہ میں تم کو جھٹلا سکتا ہے؟
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اس آیت کی تشریح فرما دیں کہ اس سورت میں ایسی کون سی دلیل دی گئی ہے جس کے بعد کوئی نبی کو جھٹلا نہیں سکتا ؟
نوٹ : اگر ترجمے میں کوئی شک و شبہ ہو تو آپ اپنا ترجمہ بیان کر سکتے ہیں
 

akinternational

Minister (2k+ posts)
jazakallah...iska jawab bhi bhejte hain...zara ap bhi aalim e haq ka jawab inayet farma dijiye...ap ne lafz ulama e haq istemal kiya tha aur uski wazahat se farar...akhir kyun????
 

akinternational

Minister (2k+ posts)
....sura teen men hosh o hawas men iman lane aur nek amal karne walon ko kabhi khatm na hone wale ajr ka wada hai aur iske baraks karne walon ko usi hisab se saza ya jaza di jaigi....

"ayat 7 men ye ghalatfehmi door ki gai hai ke burai ka irtakab karne wale ye na samjhen ke unhain aur achche amal karne walon ko yaksan rakha jaiga..."

iske alawa pehle jawab ko mulahiza kijiye jis men ham ne arz kiya tha ke roz marrah ke sade muamilat men quran sura Alqamar men nasihat ke liye asani farmat hai....jise dqeeq masa'il janne hon use rehnumai darkar higi jo kisi alim e befirqa ya befirqa aur be maslak website se mil sakti hai....jazakumullah..
 

akinternational

Minister (2k+ posts)
assalmoalikum WRWB, kahan ghayeb hain janab??????
............Wahid hal ISLAMI INQELAB, iman le ao, koshish karo, dua karo, sabr karo.......
 

Eyeaan

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
قران کو سادہ اور آسان صرف اور صرف وہی لوگ یا گروہ سمجھتے ہیں جنکا پختہ دعوا ہے کہ پچھلے چودہ سو سال میں مسلمان قران کو نہیں سمجھ سکے اور ان سے بھول ہوئی ہے !!!! ۔
 

Pakistani1947

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
قران کو سادہ اور آسان صرف اور صرف وہی لوگ یا گروہ سمجھتے ہیں جنکا پختہ دعوا ہے کہ پچھلے چودہ سو سال میں مسلمان قران کو نہیں سمجھ سکے اور ان سے بھول ہوئی ہے !!!! ۔
It is not group or person is saying that Qur'an is easy to understand and remember.

It is mentioned in Qur'an , Surah e Qamar FOUR TIMES that Qur'an is easy to understand and remember:


(سورة القمر, Al-Qamar, Chapter #54, Verse #17)
وَلَقَدْ يَسَّرْنَا الْقُرْآنَ لِلذِّكْرِ فَهَلْ مِن مُّدَّكِرٍ
And We have indeed made the Qur'an easy to understand and remember: then is there any that will receive admonition?
اور البتہ ہم نے تو سمجھنے کے لیے قرآن کو آسان کر دیا پھر کوئی ہے کہ سمجھے

(سورة القمر, Al-Qamar, Chapter #54, Verse #22)

وَلَقَدْ يَسَّرْنَا الْقُرْآنَ لِلذِّكْرِ فَهَلْ مِن مُّدَّكِرٍ
But We have indeed made the Qur'an easy to understand and remember: then is there any that will receive admonition?
اور البتہ ہم نے قرآن کو سمجھنے کے لیے آسان کر دیا ہے پھر ہے کوئی کہ سمجھے

(سورة القمر, Al-Qamar, Chapter #54, Verse #32)

وَلَقَدْ يَسَّرْنَا الْقُرْآنَ لِلذِّكْرِ فَهَلْ مِن مُّدَّكِرٍ
And We have indeed made the Qur'an easy to understand and remember: then is there any that will receive admonition?
اور البتہ ہم نے قرآن کو سمجھنے کے لیے آسان کر دیا ہے پھر ہے کوئی سمجھنے والا

(سورة القمر, Al-Qamar, Chapter #54, Verse #40)

وَلَقَدْ يَسَّرْنَا الْقُرْآنَ لِلذِّكْرِ فَهَلْ مِن مُّدَّكِرٍ
And We have indeed made the Qur'an easy to understand and remember: then is there any that will receive admonition?
اور البتہ ہم نے سمجھنے کے لیے قرآن کو آسان کر دیا ہے پھر ہے کوئی سمجھنے والا

Now read the following verse 2:121:


الَّذِينَ آتَيْنَاهُمُ الْكِتَابَ يَتْلُونَهُ حَقَّ تِلَاوَتِهِ أُولَـٰئِكَ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِهِ ۗ وَمَن يَكْفُرْ بِهِ فَأُولَـٰئِكَ هُمُ الْخَاسِرُونَ​
Those to whom We have sent the Book study it as it should be studied: They are the ones that believe therein: Those who reject faith therein,- the loss is their own. (Quraan; 2:121)
وہ لوگ جنہیں ہم نے کتاب دی ہے وہ اسے پڑھتے ہیں جیسا اس کے پڑھنے کا حق ہے وہی لوگ اس پر ایمان لاتے ہیں جور اس سے انکار کرتے ہیں وہی نقصان اٹھانے والے ہیں

Following verse is telling "how to study Qur'an the way it should be studied?":

أَفَلَا يَتَدَبَّرُونَ الْقُرْآنَ أَمْ عَلَىٰ قُلُوبٍ أَقْفَالُهَا​
Do they not then earnestly seek to understand the Qur'an, or are their hearts locked up by them? (Quraan; 47:24)
پھر کیوں قرآن پر غور نہیں کرتے کیا ان کے دلوں پر قفل پڑے ہوئے ہیں

It is very clear from above verse that Qur'an should be read with the intention of understanding and only those do not seek understanding whose hearts are locked.

There is no denying the fact that the Qur'an has been made easy and appropriate to serve as a reminder of the of faith (ایمان) and guidance (نصیحت). It however contains things which can only be fully grasped and used as a guide in deriving laws etc. by the scholars but that does not render it a book that is completely useless for the common reader. It provides sufficient guidance to a commoner as well as scholars.
The problem arises when someone says do not read the translation of Qur'an directly, without the presence of scholar, else you will go astray.
مسئلہ اس وقت پیدا ہوتا ہے جب کوئی کہتا ہے کہ براہ راست قرآن کے ترجمے کو عالم کی موجودگی کے بغیر مت پڑھو ، ورنہ آپ گمراہ ہوجائیں گے
If we do not read the translation of Qur'an directly then even with following very clear verse (Qur'an 1:5) some of us will seek help (مشکل کشائی) from Ghus e Azam or Hazrat Ali (RA) instead of directly asking for help from Allah.

(Qur'an 1:5) إِيَّاكَ نَعْبُدُ وَإِيَّاكَ نَسْتَعِينُ
It is You we worship and You we ask for help.
ہم تیری ہی عبادت کرتے ہیں اور تجھ ہی سے مدد مانگتے ہیں
 

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....sura teen men hosh o hawas men iman lane aur nek amal karne walon ko kabhi khatm na hone wale ajr ka wada hai aur iske baraks karne walon ko usi hisab se saza ya jaza di jaigi....

"ayat 7 men ye ghalatfehmi door ki gai hai ke burai ka irtakab karne wale ye na samjhen ke unhain aur achche amal karne walon ko yaksan rakha jaiga..."

iske alawa pehle jawab ko mulahiza kijiye jis men ham ne arz kiya tha ke roz marrah ke sade muamilat men quran sura Alqamar men nasihat ke liye asani farmat hai....jise dqeeq masa'il janne hon use rehnumai darkar higi jo kisi alim e befirqa ya befirqa aur be maslak website se mil sakti hai....jazakumullah..
آپ کو چاہیے کہ آپ دوسرے کو قوٹ کیا کریں تاکہ دوسرے کو پتہ چل جائے کہ آپ نے کمنٹ کیا ہے
آپ نے فرمایا کہ
.jise dqeeq masa'il janne hon use rehnumai darkar higi jo kisi alim e befirqa ya befirqa aur be maslak website se mil sakti hai....jazakumullah..
میں اس میں اتنا اضافہ کر دوں ، کہ انسان اپنی سمجھ بوجھ کے مطابق ہی قرآن سمجھ سکتا ہے اور چونکہ انسان کی سمجھ بوجھ ناقص ہے اس لئے اسے پختہ سمجھ بوجھ والے بشر کی رہنمائی لینی چاہیے ، اور یہی میرا نقطہ نظر تھا
 

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It is not group or person is saying that Qur'an is easy to understand and remember.

It is mentioned in Qur'an , Surah e Qamar FOUR TIMES that Qur'an is easy to understand and remember:


(سورة القمر, Al-Qamar, Chapter #54, Verse #17)
وَلَقَدْ يَسَّرْنَا الْقُرْآنَ لِلذِّكْرِ فَهَلْ مِن مُّدَّكِرٍ
And We have indeed made the Qur'an easy to understand and remember: then is there any that will receive admonition?
اور البتہ ہم نے تو سمجھنے کے لیے قرآن کو آسان کر دیا پھر کوئی ہے کہ سمجھے

(سورة القمر, Al-Qamar, Chapter #54, Verse #22)

وَلَقَدْ يَسَّرْنَا الْقُرْآنَ لِلذِّكْرِ فَهَلْ مِن مُّدَّكِرٍ
But We have indeed made the Qur'an easy to understand and remember: then is there any that will receive admonition?
اور البتہ ہم نے قرآن کو سمجھنے کے لیے آسان کر دیا ہے پھر ہے کوئی کہ سمجھے

(سورة القمر, Al-Qamar, Chapter #54, Verse #32)

وَلَقَدْ يَسَّرْنَا الْقُرْآنَ لِلذِّكْرِ فَهَلْ مِن مُّدَّكِرٍ
And We have indeed made the Qur'an easy to understand and remember: then is there any that will receive admonition?
اور البتہ ہم نے قرآن کو سمجھنے کے لیے آسان کر دیا ہے پھر ہے کوئی سمجھنے والا

(سورة القمر, Al-Qamar, Chapter #54, Verse #40)

وَلَقَدْ يَسَّرْنَا الْقُرْآنَ لِلذِّكْرِ فَهَلْ مِن مُّدَّكِرٍ
And We have indeed made the Qur'an easy to understand and remember: then is there any that will receive admonition?
اور البتہ ہم نے سمجھنے کے لیے قرآن کو آسان کر دیا ہے پھر ہے کوئی سمجھنے والا

Now read the following verse 2:121:


الَّذِينَ آتَيْنَاهُمُ الْكِتَابَ يَتْلُونَهُ حَقَّ تِلَاوَتِهِ أُولَـٰئِكَ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِهِ ۗ وَمَن يَكْفُرْ بِهِ فَأُولَـٰئِكَ هُمُ الْخَاسِرُونَ​
Those to whom We have sent the Book study it as it should be studied: They are the ones that believe therein: Those who reject faith therein,- the loss is their own. (Quraan; 2:121)
وہ لوگ جنہیں ہم نے کتاب دی ہے وہ اسے پڑھتے ہیں جیسا اس کے پڑھنے کا حق ہے وہی لوگ اس پر ایمان لاتے ہیں جور اس سے انکار کرتے ہیں وہی نقصان اٹھانے والے ہیں

Following verse is telling "how to study Qur'an the way it should be studied?":

أَفَلَا يَتَدَبَّرُونَ الْقُرْآنَ أَمْ عَلَىٰ قُلُوبٍ أَقْفَالُهَا​
Do they not then earnestly seek to understand the Qur'an, or are their hearts locked up by them? (Quraan; 47:24)
پھر کیوں قرآن پر غور نہیں کرتے کیا ان کے دلوں پر قفل پڑے ہوئے ہیں

It is very clear from above verse that Qur'an should be read with the intention of understanding and only those do not seek understanding whose hearts are locked.

There is no denying the fact that the Qur'an has been made easy and appropriate to serve as a reminder of the of faith (ایمان) and guidance (نصیحت). It however contains things which can only be fully grasped and used as a guide in deriving laws etc. by the scholars but that does not render it a book that is completely useless for the common reader. It provides sufficient guidance to a commoner as well as scholars.
The problem arises when someone says do not read the translation of Qur'an directly, without the presence of scholar, else you will go astray.
مسئلہ اس وقت پیدا ہوتا ہے جب کوئی کہتا ہے کہ براہ راست قرآن کے ترجمے کو عالم کی موجودگی کے بغیر مت پڑھو ، ورنہ آپ گمراہ ہوجائیں گے
If we do not read the translation of Qur'an directly then even with following very clear verse (Qur'an 1:5) some of us will seek help (مشکل کشائی) from Ghus e Azam or Hazrat Ali (RA) instead of directly asking for help from Allah.

(Qur'an 1:5) إِيَّاكَ نَعْبُدُ وَإِيَّاكَ نَسْتَعِينُ
It is You we worship and You we ask for help.
ہم تیری ہی عبادت کرتے ہیں اور تجھ ہی سے مدد مانگتے ہیں
It is easy to claim anything but very hard to prove your claim afterwards.
You have already failed to provide any material from looh e mekhfoz (Imam e Mubeen) and yet here you are again with another claim.
So, I repeat my challenge, if you think you yourself enough for understanding Quran, then provide valid explanation of verse 95:7.
 

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jazakallah...iska jawab bhi bhejte hain...zara ap bhi aalim e haq ka jawab inayet farma dijiye...ap ne lafz ulama e haq istemal kiya tha aur uski wazahat se farar...akhir kyun????
اہل بیت ہی علمائے حق ہیں
کیونکہ یہ قرآن و حدیث سے ثابت ہے
 

akinternational

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It is easy to claim anything but very hard to prove your claim afterwards.
You have already failed to provide any material from looh e mekhfoz (Imam e Mubeen) and yet here you are again with another claim.
So, I repeat my challenge, if you think you yourself enough for understanding Quran, then provide valid explanation of verse 95:7.
What is "looh e kehkfooz" and why should I mention anything els not mentioned in this ayat and surat... if you don't accept it, tell me what is wrong and give me your version....another thing you asked me something what Allah SWT is saying to Rasul e karim SAW.
 
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akinternational

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اہل بیت ہی علمائے حق ہیں
کیونکہ یہ قرآن و حدیث سے ثابت ہے
quran aur hadith ka hawala dedijiye kunke ham bagher hawale ke kisi baat ko nahin mante... "quran aur hadith men aya hai" ne musalmano ko gumrah kiya hai.... so please send the references of your claim as soon as possible.
ham bhi dekh len aur iman le aain...nez iss baat ki tehqeeq kar len ke deeger ualama ye baaten kyun nazar nahin aain....yaad rahe firqabazon ko pana aqeedah durusr karne ki zaroorat hai....ham baat kar rahe hain musalman ki na ke shia, brelvi, deobandi, Ehle hadith waghera ki....

tell me everything clear with ref....don't just give FAWA which proves your jehel
 
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Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
What is "looh e kehkfooz" and why should I mention anything els not mentioned in this ayat and surat... if you don't accept it, tell me what is wrong and give me your version....another thing you asked me something what Allah SWT is saying to Rasul e karim SAW.
آپ نے غالبا غلط کمنٹ کو پڑھ لیا ہے
میں نے یہ قوٹ آپ کو نہیں ، بلکے دوسرے ممبر کو کیا تھا
آپ کو کیا گیا قوٹ اس کے علاوہ تھے
 

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Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
quran aur hadith ka hawala dedijiye kunke ham bagher hawale ke kisi baat ko nahin mante... "quran aur hadith men aya hai" ne musalmano ko gumrah kiya hai.... so please send the references of your claim as soon as possible.
ham bhi dekh len aur iman le aain...nez iss baat ki tehqeeq kar len ke deeger ualama ye baaten kyun nazar nahin aain....yaad rahe firqabazon ko pana aqeedah durusr karne ki zaroorat hai....ham baat kar rahe hain musalman ki na ke shia, brelvi, deobandi, Ehle hadith waghera ki....

tell me everything clear with ref....don't just give FAWA which proves your jehel
آپ کا شکریہ آپ نے مجھے اہل بیت کی شان بیان کرنے کا موقع دیا
قرآن و حدیث میں صرف اور صرف اہل بیت کی پیروی کا حکم دیا گیا ہے
جیسا کہ آیت ہے
وَالسَّابِقُونَ الْأَوَّلُونَ مِنَ الْمُهَاجِرِينَ وَالْأَنصَارِ وَالَّذِينَ اتَّبَعُوهُم بِإِحْسَانٍ رَّضِيَ اللَّـهُ عَنْهُمْ وَرَضُوا عَنْهُ وَأَعَدَّ لَهُمْ جَنَّاتٍ تَجْرِي تَحْتَهَا الْأَنْهَارُ خَالِدِينَ فِيهَا أَبَدًا ۚ ذَٰلِكَ الْفَوْزُ الْعَظِيمُ
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اس آیت میں سابقون الاولون سے مراد صرف حضرت علی ہیں
مثلا جنگ میں اگر دشمن کا مقابلہ کرنا ہو تو یقینا مومن کے لئے دشمن کا مقابلہ کرنا احسن اقدام ہے
جیسا کہ جنگ خندق میں حضرت علی نے رسول پاک کی آواز پر لبیک کہتے ہوئے عمرو کو جہنم وصل کیا
وہاں تین بار پوچھا گیا تھا اور صرف حضرت علی نے ہی مقابلے کی حامی بھری
یقینا آپ کے نزدیک دشمن کے مقابلے میں گم صم پڑا رہنا قابل تقلید عمل نہیں ہو گا
لہٰذا ثابت ہوا کہ پیروی کے قابل حضرت علی ہی ہیں اور کوئی نہیں . سابقون الاولون کی تعریف پر صرف وہی اترتے ہیں
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آپ کو اس بابت کوئی بھی سوال یا اعتراض ہو تو پوچھ سکتے ہیں
 

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