You see, this is my main problem. If you don't have discussion and prevent people from talking on basic issues - then surely it will lead to the killings on both sides.
Both Shias and sunnis have been brutally murdered - one must ask, why is this happening? Without dialogue people will easily make-believe in hearsay .. the reason i asked above questions is to hear from the 'horses mouth' .. not hearsay ..not XYZ but from the person practicing ... mainly to clear the doubts I have in my mind ..
If we want to stop the sectarian killings and killings in the name of Islam then dialogue is a MUST
I am not fond of any sectarian discussion on this forum. I had an MQM member hurl horrendous abuse at my sunni berelvi/sufii beliefs.
I have no doubt in my mind @wadera bhai jaan has very good intention, unfortunately some other people turn the thread around into bashing one sect.
We should build tolerance, and celebrate the fact we are Pakistani and that Islam binds and unites us all. Furthermore, we should show tolerance towards other beliefs.
In this post, I will be referring to everyone by their virtual usernames except those with whom I have an issue so only they get this message and others look from the side in curiosity and wonder. If your username is @wadera, scroll down to the last paragraph as you would probably not be interested in reading this entire thing unless you enjoy a verbal thrashing of an idiot.
The Nawaz league, greater Punjab extremist was asking members on this forum to openly and shamelessly start hurling abuse at one ethnicity for which he has hatred and that is why he hates MQM as he had made absolutely clear in his other post in which a picture was shown of "Indians" sitting in London alongside Baluch nationalist leaders (aka "traitors) whilst the "others" were from Sindh, KPK and Gilgit. I am sorry, little man, but Pakistan does not belong to one ethnicity because, to them, you are the "others" for having this thinking and they have decided to take the country back from you idiots.
In short, he hates MQM not because of their extortion, murder and indiscriminate killing if anyone says anything against their lord and savior Altaf Hussain but because he thought "we are being too politically correct about this whole thing and should start criticizing this ethnic group". For your information, Ranjit Singh Jr., "they" are 10% of Pakistan's population and assimilated completely, even in Sindh and Punjab where 10% of Lahore consists of them and quite a bit of Multan. And no, I am not referring to Punjabi immigrants from across the border but the "Urdu-speaking" folk.
So, not everyone who identifies himself or herself as Urdu-speaking is an MQM supporter (or sympathizer) just like not all Sindhis are Waderas or Sindhudeshers, Punjabis are Sikhs and Pashtun are extremists or tribal. I am sure you go around the UK telling people that "Islam is a religion of peace and if someone is taking the name of Islam and claiming to fight in it's name, it doesn't necessarily mean that we all have the same belief system and those people have our support".
So, the sooner you stop stereotyping, the better it will be for the country and the political discourse of which we are all a part despite having disgust for you and your mindset.
BTW, last time you decided not to be "politically correct", we had a thing called Bangladesh and if you don't change your stance now, Sher al-Bunjabi, things will not be the same, as this time, like with Zardari (although I hate him, feudals of interior Sindh, waderas, bureaucrats, and other usurpers), other ethnic groups will unite and take over Pakistan just like MQM, PPP and ANP have, despite their shortcomings and misrepresentation of their own regional populations.
NEWS FLASH: Baluchistan is on fire, in case you haven't noticed and they only hate one ethnic group or blame them for their problems
HINT: It's not the "others" (Sindhi, Gilgit, Seraiki, Mohajir, Pashtun)
As far as your claim of me being a MQM member goes, it is quite clear that you have found yourself hurt and now feel that this is the best way to come out and garner support for your idiocy. You have absolutely no understanding of how Pakistani politics works and you are as knowledgeable as a haari with regards to the farm he is working on (since he doesn't own it and is only working for his daily wage, he knows nothing).
As I had told you, very clearly, TuQ is aligned with MQM and has no credibility due to this, but you kept arguing that your father's party (hopefully, Imran Khan isn't it and your old man is only a member) will form an alliance with him. Then, you insinuated sodomy vis-a-vis your favorite fetish involving red chillis and then, as a result, I got banned, permanently for responding to your mental retardation.
My response was justified but the mod, as in the case of Wadera (
for whom I have support as he is not being permitted the right to proselytize just as all other faiths are - he should be allowed to do the same - it's called freedom of religion), was biased. However, Waseem is not in the same league as the idiot who banned me.
The reason that mod has a grudge against me, is because he feels out of a population of 1.5 billion Muslims, with a history of 1400 years, he has a monopoly on the Qur'an (nauzobillah) and when he posts Ayaat, even if they are irrelevant, he should be granted unconditional virtue and honour (as I said, even if they are irrelevant to the topic, at hand).
He chose to post an Ayat on the Turkish show about promoting
bay hayayi amongst the believers but I explained to him the concept of cause vs. effect and the fact that the "believers" for whom the Ayat was in reference to, wouldn't have accepted the Turkish show, had they been "virtuous" themselves, to begin with. This fact is evident with Pakistan being the number 1 porn consumer (a statistic based on the number of porn searches on Google). Therefore, the popularity of the show is an effect and not a cause of promoting filth (given that the filth shown on Pakistani TV shows is filthy, too - along with the consideration that everyone watching Cable and American shows on the internet - the issue is beyond the scope of one Turkish TV show). This is a basic principle of any faculty and Milton Friedman with a baseball hat will vouch for this fact.
As it is now clear, TuQ was in bed with MQM and Andleeb Abbas said, clearly, in response to the rejection TuQ received from the masses, the party will never form an alliance with him. However, this British idiot started to display his knowledge of indecent and abusive language with the impunity associated with him being a regular visitor and keeping the site traffic up. And then, once he got a befitting reply to his barefaced and disrespectful post, he ran to the mods.
Wadera knows, himself, that I got into a never-ending argument with him over the beliefs of mystical Islam and I am an avid believer and follower of the faith so the idiot accusing me of the criticizing the same philosophy, is hysterical. You and TuQ have absolutely no right to lay claim to the beliefs of Tasawwuf because it has existed prior to you or TuQ even knowing that this can be a source of illegale wealth, trickery and power.
Unfortunately, there is no possible reason for anyone to believe in mysticism to also believe that criticizing TuQ pretending to get a dead person to read the Shahada equates to discriminating against the same school of thought as it would be so comical that it would be difficult to articulate in any human language one may have a grasp on.
In Islam, there is no belief of getting dead people to read the Shahada because we have lists of books with stories of Saints reading it before death and other similar stories.
What he did, is unacceptable to us and our beliefs whether an idiot, who also believed TuQ has nothing to do with MQM and will form an alliance with PTI, feels the same or not. The world does not work on the basis of what one idiot believed in his childhood or for how many years he believed TuQ was the greatest creature created (astaghfirullah).
In the end, I would like to clarify that I believe, Wadera, as with everyone, has the right to not ask questions because that's not what he is doing - but, instead, he wants to learn and understand the beliefs of a specific religion from their own mouths and sources - just so there is no doubt in his mind that the material available in favor of them or against them is true (or vice versa).
Put differently, this will give him no reason to believe those who say that X thing is only a lie and a rumor spread to defame the religion in question. Similarly, as Muslims, we welcome people who come and ask us about misconceptions spread about our religion and that has been the role of every Muslim and Pakistani living abroad, at home and in the government (foreign office, included) of trying to clear the doubts and misconceptions created about the religion of - what we believe is of - Allah, Himself.
A small example would be of Aisam-ul-Haq making sure to include that in his victory speech rather than the game or other mentions associated with the sport or his family.
