US firms begin big job reshoring drive : Shining India to Whining India

mithyaa

MPA (400+ posts)
[hilar][hilar][hilar][hilar][hilar] ...Miyan Mithu ...Kub seekhay ga tu ?? (bigsmile)

I told you a thousand times not to get stressed over issues facing India. We know that not having toilets causes serious concerns... Why talk about any other disease when most of the Indians are dieing from FILTH and Unhygienic conditions ??

Many diseases are spreading because of your dumb negligence :

http://zeenews.india.com/blog/india-s-open-toilet-crisis_322.html

What good is a Double growth rate when you are loosing jobs and your minister for employment is urging Saudis to not employ saudi people ?? ....Like are you dumb ??? (bigsmile)

Economy is growing then why is your budget deficit growing ??

Why arent you building more toilets ???[hilar][hilar]

F1 racing where the stink of **** is in the air. We know how big the commonwealth game disaster was ...shame on you for that !

Pakistan is way better in ratio's due to natural causes not due to female infanticide ...we dont have issues such as Sati, dev dasi, joghini and Banaras and God knows everything other kind of filth where wife is "rented" or "shared" ....shame on you for coming up here and sounding as dumb as you are [hilar][hilar]

Excuses. excuses. Numbers point to the fact that Pakistan is in a mess, yes it ranks among the top failed states.
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/06/18/whats_wrong_with_pakistan
http://tribune.com.pk/story/193321/pakistan-ranks-12th-on-failed-states-index-report/
http://dawn.com/2013/02/21/pakistan...ate-if-current-circumstances-persist-shahbaz/
http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/brinkley/article/Pakistan-a-failed-state-on-a-tinderbox-4224701.php
 

mithyaa

MPA (400+ posts)
I think your getting stressed again over the jobs moving out of India and hence you are starting to make no sense. I know it happens when the economy tanks and you have no toilets to **** in ...so you have to run around from one house to another to find a pit to relieve your call of nature [hilar][hilar]

Actually, come to think of it you must be thinking of some third rate cheap bollywood movie where the guy roams from one door to another in search of a job only to be kicked down by some third rate businessman. I think this must be your life story ?? - NO ?[hilar][hilar][hilar]

Making a movie about someone who already has everything is kind of boring. But you do not know much about movies except porn so no point in arguing with you. Also stop watching Indian movies if you think they are immoral.
 

modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Why are you bent on dragging this discussion towards "porn" by repeatedly mentioning it ??[hilar][hilar] ...dude, listen ...i know you are a supporter of bollywood/mujra/ or whatever you call it :lol: ...But that doesnt mean you get down to your actual profession of a "dalaal" right here [hilar][hilar]

I understand your urge to act naturally BUT i will advise you to behave as this is a decent Pakistani forum and not one of your Indian Bollywood forums where your content with watching pornographic pictures and talking about others mothers and sisters bodies (bigsmile) ...so Behave yourself Idiot [hilar][hilar][hilar]

You have already been warned by the MOD ..so stick to the topic and tell us what you intend to do from stopping the JOBS from going to other countries ...We stand with the poor indians in there endeavour (bigsmile)


Making a movie about someone who already has everything is kind of boring. But you do not know much about movies except porn so no point in arguing with you. Also stop watching Indian movies if you think they are immoral.
 

modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Dude, dont say i didnt warn you ...here read what one of your own is writing ...
[hilar][hilar][hilar][hilar]

India on track to becoming a failed state



  • BY:RAKESH AHUJA


INDIA ranks 78th in the Failed States Index 2012, which measures adversarial social, economic and political pressures faced by nations. Finland scores least risk at 177 and Somalia worst at 1.


India has fallen steeply from 110 in 2007.

Anecdotal evidence based on recent corruption and mal-governance-ridden domestic scams suggests it at 45-55 next year in company with the likes of Colombia, Angola and Kyrgyzstan.
India passes muster on just two of the 12 indicators that comprise the index -- intellectual capital and international behaviour.

It scores abysmally on other crucial indicators, including demographic pressures (malnutrition, water scarcity); group grievances (ethnic & communal tensions, powerlessness); state legitimacy (corruption, protests); public services (crime, social services); uneven economic development (income inequalities) and on political elite behaviour (factionalised and constantly in a gridlock over a quest for political power).


Is India on a slow track to a failing state? A pointer to what might be in store for India comes from the book by Daron Acemoglu and James Robinson, Why Nations Fail.

After a comprehensive survey of the rise and fall of nations from the Roman Empire to the Soviet Union to (new) African states, they contend that nation-states do not fail because of culture, weather, geography or ignorance of what policies are right. Nations collapse because "extractive" economic institutions fostered by local elites come to rule them.
Abetted by self-seeking functionaries, these institutions exist for the benefit of elites, who gain from extraction of valuable minerals, land, water, labour or from protected monopolies.

They conclude that the key to sustained progress is in "combining political centralisation with inclusive economic institutions". Absolutist states have strong centres, but power wielders fashion an economic framework to enrich themselves.

In democratic states, power rests with a plurality of groups and inclusive institutions arise.

But if there is no strong political centre to provide direction and to control or sanction, power accrues to the elite(s). Extractive institutions then arise. In both scenarios, internal contradictions pile up -- indicators for the Failed States Index provide a measure -- and the exploitative structure inevitably fails, bringing down the entire corrupt system with it.
The relevance of this analysis to India today is inescapable.

The centre is not holding. In the era of coalitions, power has been seeping from the Delhi sultanate to islands of political elites. And the relatively inclusive institutions midwifed by a superbly crafted constitution have been suborned by national and regional establishments into extractive tools for personal gain.

Indian legislatures are no longer forums for informed debate. Instead, under the guise of "seeking a consensus", they are now nodal points for crass political horse-trading. Or for obstructionist mobocracy.

Cutting across party affiliations, regional and social loyalties, the objective of the political class is to acquire power, not sound governance or advancing national interests. It has mauled the ideology of democracy into the sole objective of winning elections. Its parasitic behaviour is focused on extracting perks from public and private sectors; on status and symbols; competitive populism and casteism; dynasticitis; protecting each other from greater accountability; and on blatantly exercising discretion-based powers, which the Brits used for disbursing patronage to divide and rule, and which now serve as founts for extortion in cahoots with bureaucrats and crony capitalists.

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's indecisive leadership relies largely on confetti of populist schemes for electoral advantage. His own personal integrity is unquestionable, but he's led the most corrupt federal government since independence, benignly neglecting massive sleaze in ministerial fiefdoms under his watch.

Meanwhile bureaucracy, the famed steel frame of yesteryears, is rusting. With officials appointed and removed at whims of elected kleptocrats, the anointed favourites' humiliating task is to extract swill from troughs of discretionary powers for political snouts to sip. As for the defence establishment, it is now mired in scandals from land grabbing, procurement frauds to generals expropriating a share of largesse meant for war widows.

Worse, the army chief dragging the government to the courts on a personal issue has opened a chink to armed forces' potential politicisation.

The Indian judiciary is doing its best to fill the vacuum in the wake of a somnolent executive and paralysed legislatures.
But this activism has a major downside.

Handing out pronouncements daily on relatively trivial subjects, its higher reaches are becoming part of the political process, compromising their role as chambers of dispassionate reflection on issues of constitutional significance. It is also tainted by corruption and dispensing too little justice, too late. The legal system can no longer cope with the demands of a litigious citizenry increasingly aware of its rights.

The concerted attempts by the three constitutional pillars to undermine the media's role as auditors of their accountability is another insidious trend. India is turning increasingly censorious on books, arts, cinema, the internet and reporting.
Freedom is lost in small steps. Calls for protests to the American government over an article critical of Singh in the Washington Post betrays a disturbing mindset; it implicitly assumes that a government should control media content.
The debilitating shenanigans of the unholy, well-knit trinity of politicians, bureaucrats and their private sector cronies are now eroding confidence at home.

The tarnished economy is treading towards a 4-5 per cent GDP growth rate.

This self-inflicted, reform-resistant decline is evident in India's ranking at 111 in the latest Economic Freedom of the World Index (2010 data). It gauges the extent to which the policies and institutions in a country support economic activity for poverty reduction, etc. India is closer to Burundi (144) than to Hong Kong (1). Notably, it was 76th in 2007. This BRIC "angel" can only fall further in 2012.

The international euphoria that lauded India's recent "rise" from stultified economic depths is fading. Pessimism about its capabilities on regional and geopolitical fronts is seeping. The fluffy souffle of arrogant pretensions to a superpower status has fallen flat. India is a half-baked power.

Arguably, India's very antecedents are partly responsible for the fast-diminishing political and administrative authority of the central government. Post-Independence India was always an artificial construct. Fashioning it from 550-odd distinct entities was a landmark achievement.

But, to paraphrase Mark Twain, it was only a bundle of countries. It began to unravel with linguistic divisions. Sixty-five years later, values and practices associated with a genuine democracy have still not coalesced into good governance for the common good in (purportedly) a one nation-state.
Instead, demands and counter-demands and protests on endless issues have accelerated. Impulses more in line with a confederation than with a federation are emerging.

Interestingly, the government's acknowledgement that some economic reforms need not apply nationwide because of local opposition suggests a subliminal acceptance of a co-federalist model.

And yet the Indian political class continues to smugly showcase the country as an example of "unity in diversity".
A million mutinies thus confront India today. But the cadaverous gerontocracy across its political board remains preoccupied with fiddling for power post-2014 elections, while relegating policies to meet the aspirations of an expanding cohort of new, upwardly mobile stakeholders to the back burner.

India has depreciated from a "functioning anarchy" to a dysfunctional democracy.
If the idea of India (secularism, democracy) is to survive, the good among the ugly will have to cross their political and social divides and forsake the "me" culture to renovate the constitution and abolish feudal powers of patronage before darkness falls at noon on one of the most misgoverned nations on the globe.

Rakesh Ahuja heads Axessindia Consultancy Group, Canberra, and was the former Australian Deputy High Commissioner to India.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...g-a-failed-state/story-e6frg9if-1226516945582

 

chandbibi

Minister (2k+ posts)

mithyaa

MPA (400+ posts)
Dude, dont say i didnt warn you ...here read what one of your own is writing ...
[hilar][hilar][hilar][hilar]

India on track to becoming a failed state



  • BY:RAKESH AHUJA


INDIA ranks 78th in the Failed States Index 2012, which measures adversarial social, economic and political pressures faced by nations. Finland scores least risk at 177 and Somalia worst at 1.


India has fallen steeply from 110 in 2007.

Anecdotal evidence based on recent corruption and mal-governance-ridden domestic scams suggests it at 45-55 next year in company with the likes of Colombia, Angola and Kyrgyzstan.
India passes muster on just two of the 12 indicators that comprise the index -- intellectual capital and international behaviour.

It scores abysmally on other crucial indicators, including demographic pressures (malnutrition, water scarcity); group grievances (ethnic & communal tensions, powerlessness); state legitimacy (corruption, protests); public services (crime, social services); uneven economic development (income inequalities) and on political elite behaviour (factionalised and constantly in a gridlock over a quest for political power).


Is India on a slow track to a failing state? A pointer to what might be in store for India comes from the book by Daron Acemoglu and James Robinson, Why Nations Fail.

After a comprehensive survey of the rise and fall of nations from the Roman Empire to the Soviet Union to (new) African states, they contend that nation-states do not fail because of culture, weather, geography or ignorance of what policies are right. Nations collapse because "extractive" economic institutions fostered by local elites come to rule them.
Abetted by self-seeking functionaries, these institutions exist for the benefit of elites, who gain from extraction of valuable minerals, land, water, labour or from protected monopolies.

They conclude that the key to sustained progress is in "combining political centralisation with inclusive economic institutions". Absolutist states have strong centres, but power wielders fashion an economic framework to enrich themselves.

In democratic states, power rests with a plurality of groups and inclusive institutions arise.

But if there is no strong political centre to provide direction and to control or sanction, power accrues to the elite(s). Extractive institutions then arise. In both scenarios, internal contradictions pile up -- indicators for the Failed States Index provide a measure -- and the exploitative structure inevitably fails, bringing down the entire corrupt system with it.
The relevance of this analysis to India today is inescapable.

The centre is not holding. In the era of coalitions, power has been seeping from the Delhi sultanate to islands of political elites. And the relatively inclusive institutions midwifed by a superbly crafted constitution have been suborned by national and regional establishments into extractive tools for personal gain.

Indian legislatures are no longer forums for informed debate. Instead, under the guise of "seeking a consensus", they are now nodal points for crass political horse-trading. Or for obstructionist mobocracy.

Cutting across party affiliations, regional and social loyalties, the objective of the political class is to acquire power, not sound governance or advancing national interests. It has mauled the ideology of democracy into the sole objective of winning elections. Its parasitic behaviour is focused on extracting perks from public and private sectors; on status and symbols; competitive populism and casteism; dynasticitis; protecting each other from greater accountability; and on blatantly exercising discretion-based powers, which the Brits used for disbursing patronage to divide and rule, and which now serve as founts for extortion in cahoots with bureaucrats and crony capitalists.

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's indecisive leadership relies largely on confetti of populist schemes for electoral advantage. His own personal integrity is unquestionable, but he's led the most corrupt federal government since independence, benignly neglecting massive sleaze in ministerial fiefdoms under his watch.

Meanwhile bureaucracy, the famed steel frame of yesteryears, is rusting. With officials appointed and removed at whims of elected kleptocrats, the anointed favourites' humiliating task is to extract swill from troughs of discretionary powers for political snouts to sip. As for the defence establishment, it is now mired in scandals from land grabbing, procurement frauds to generals expropriating a share of largesse meant for war widows.

Worse, the army chief dragging the government to the courts on a personal issue has opened a chink to armed forces' potential politicisation.

The Indian judiciary is doing its best to fill the vacuum in the wake of a somnolent executive and paralysed legislatures.
But this activism has a major downside.

Handing out pronouncements daily on relatively trivial subjects, its higher reaches are becoming part of the political process, compromising their role as chambers of dispassionate reflection on issues of constitutional significance. It is also tainted by corruption and dispensing too little justice, too late. The legal system can no longer cope with the demands of a litigious citizenry increasingly aware of its rights.

The concerted attempts by the three constitutional pillars to undermine the media's role as auditors of their accountability is another insidious trend. India is turning increasingly censorious on books, arts, cinema, the internet and reporting.
Freedom is lost in small steps. Calls for protests to the American government over an article critical of Singh in the Washington Post betrays a disturbing mindset; it implicitly assumes that a government should control media content.
The debilitating shenanigans of the unholy, well-knit trinity of politicians, bureaucrats and their private sector cronies are now eroding confidence at home.

The tarnished economy is treading towards a 4-5 per cent GDP growth rate.

This self-inflicted, reform-resistant decline is evident in India's ranking at 111 in the latest Economic Freedom of the World Index (2010 data). It gauges the extent to which the policies and institutions in a country support economic activity for poverty reduction, etc. India is closer to Burundi (144) than to Hong Kong (1). Notably, it was 76th in 2007. This BRIC "angel" can only fall further in 2012.

The international euphoria that lauded India's recent "rise" from stultified economic depths is fading. Pessimism about its capabilities on regional and geopolitical fronts is seeping. The fluffy souffle of arrogant pretensions to a superpower status has fallen flat. India is a half-baked power.

Arguably, India's very antecedents are partly responsible for the fast-diminishing political and administrative authority of the central government. Post-Independence India was always an artificial construct. Fashioning it from 550-odd distinct entities was a landmark achievement.

But, to paraphrase Mark Twain, it was only a bundle of countries. It began to unravel with linguistic divisions. Sixty-five years later, values and practices associated with a genuine democracy have still not coalesced into good governance for the common good in (purportedly) a one nation-state.
Instead, demands and counter-demands and protests on endless issues have accelerated. Impulses more in line with a confederation than with a federation are emerging.

Interestingly, the government's acknowledgement that some economic reforms need not apply nationwide because of local opposition suggests a subliminal acceptance of a co-federalist model.

And yet the Indian political class continues to smugly showcase the country as an example of "unity in diversity".
A million mutinies thus confront India today. But the cadaverous gerontocracy across its political board remains preoccupied with fiddling for power post-2014 elections, while relegating policies to meet the aspirations of an expanding cohort of new, upwardly mobile stakeholders to the back burner.

India has depreciated from a "functioning anarchy" to a dysfunctional democracy.
If the idea of India (secularism, democracy) is to survive, the good among the ugly will have to cross their political and social divides and forsake the "me" culture to renovate the constitution and abolish feudal powers of patronage before darkness falls at noon on one of the most misgoverned nations on the globe.

Rakesh Ahuja heads Axessindia Consultancy Group, Canberra, and was the former Australian Deputy High Commissioner to India.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...g-a-failed-state/story-e6frg9if-1226516945582

Yes 78 is almost same as 12. Also to put things into some perspective China is 76.
 

modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Yes ...Yes ...Use Dettol ..Dettol [hilar][hilar]

[hilar][hilar][hilar] ...Kiya ??? "Aik" ...quote say topic banta hai ?? [hilar][hilar] ...You feeling alright man ?? ...Or has the toilet cholera started to affect you ?? ...Maybe you can use some disinfectant...***** [hilar][hilar][hilar]


Look at the flow of comments idiot. You brought the topic of porn into this discussion and now you are blaming me?
 

chandbibi

Minister (2k+ posts)
Great. Now you have all your favorite topics being discussed. Rape, Toilets, India's failed state status.
(clap) Total derailment of the thread.
Yes ...Yes ...Use Dettol ..Dettol [hilar][hilar]

[hilar][hilar][hilar] ...Kiya ??? "Aik" ...quote say topic banta hai ?? [hilar][hilar] ...You feeling alright man ?? ...Or has the toilet cholera started to affect you ?? ...Maybe you can use some disinfectant...***** [hilar][hilar][hilar]
 

modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Your not addressing anything ! (bigsmile) ..Is China known as the rape capital of the world ??...or the largest open air toilet in the world ??? - NO ...then where have you addressed any issue ??

Sati is still happening

Dev dasis are still live and well

Kashmiris want freedom

Tamil Nadu wants freedom

Telangana issue

maoists want freedom

seven sister states

economy tanking

Where has there been any improvement ??

Learn to read you dumb idiot (bigsmile)


Are the Dalits and Shudrs and harijans happy ???


Have you successfully hosted the commonwealth games ??

The kashmiris want secession for the pat 60 years

75 % of India doesnt have toilet ??


Like where is the improvement.

You have actually moved to a worse spot on the ranking ...if this continues which it is ,...you will be a WORSE failed State !



India is ranked 78 idiot. Pakistan is ranked 12. China is ranked 76. Don't you understand numbers??? what is wrong with you? The article you quoted did not say that India was a failed state it just mentioned that India has problems which if not addressed can lead to worse ranks. But we all know India will address those problems, unlike Pakistan which will not leave it's place in top 13 because of idiots like you.
 

mithyaa

MPA (400+ posts)
Great. Now you have all your favorite topics being discussed. Rape, Toilets, India's failed state status.
(clap) Total derailment of the thread.
You are right chandbibi. It is almost impossible to have any conversation with this guy without having him talking about toilets and rape and somehow I end up repeating the same facts to him. No point in arguing anymore. Time for me to stop feeding the troll.
 

modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Well what do you think we should discuss other than that regarding India ?? ...Dude, these are not my topics...these are mainstream headlines in your newspapers...which means all of India is discussing it.

Im just a Pakistani well-wisher hoping for a good debate (bigsmile) ..But Here let me bring this discussion which this idiot miyan mithu derailed ...

India's October-December current account deficit at record 6.7% of GDP



MUMBAI: India's current account deficit widened to a record high 6.7% of GDP in the December quarter, worse than expected, driven by heavy oil and gold imports and muted exports, but the balance of payments turned positive.

The country's current account deficit was at $32.63 billion in the three months through December, compared with $20.16 billion in the same period a year earlier.

In July-September, the current account deficit had widened to $22.3 billion from $16.6 billion in the previous quarter.

However, the balance of payments was in surplus of $781 million, compared with a deficit of $158 million in the previous quarter, the RBI data showed.

The trade deficit in the December quarter stood at $42.01 billion, down from around $48.3 billion in the September quarter.

India's financial account, which includes foreign direct investment, portfolio investment and overseas borrowing by Indian companies, stood at a surplus of $31.1 billion, compared with $24.2 billion in the September quarter.





Great. Now you have all your favorite topics being discussed. Rape, Toilets, India's failed state status.
(clap) Total derailment of the thread.
 

modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Dont remember inviting you here in the first place ... and you wont be missed now that you have finally decided to accept that India is a failed state and decided to leave ...God riddance (bigsmile)


You are right chandbibi. It is almost impossible to have any conversation with this guy without having him talking about toilets and rape and somehow I end up repeating the same facts to him. No point in arguing anymore. Time for me to stop feeding the troll.
 

chandbibi

Minister (2k+ posts)
OK. without googling tell me the definition of failed state.

Dont remember inviting you here in the first place ... and you wont be missed now that you have finally decided to accept that India is a failed state and decided to leave ...God riddance (bigsmile)
 

chandbibi

Minister (2k+ posts)
Basic necessities NO.
Now we shall use our friend google and choose the popular definition.
A failed state is a state perceived as having failed at some of the basic conditions and responsibilities of a sovereign government. There is no general consensus on the definition of a failed state. The definition of a failed state according to the Fund for Peace is often used to characterize a failed state:

Common characteristics of a failing state include a central government so weak or ineffective that it has little practical control over much of its territory; non-provision of public services; widespread corruption and criminality; refugees and involuntary movement of populations; and sharp economic decline.[SUP][1][/SUP]

These points are applicable to most countries of the world. The ranking tells you less failed or more failed. So on some parameters Pakistan is a more failed state than many others in world, and on some parameters India is more failed state. So by stating the obvious you don't win any war, as you are equally failed. Now you can say there is no single definition, so how are you claiming one set of rules for yourself and one set of rules for others?

There are many definitions of a failed state but specifically if any state fails to provide basic necessities then it may be qualified as a failed state
 

modern.fakir

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Thank You (clap)(clap) ...I have never argued on any of these points. The whole argument of this "failed State" concept was started by an Indian "Mithya" and NOT me. I agree that no country is without faults and that includes Pakistan and we are working to correct those issues...at the same time we also have a right to speak about issues which affect other countries just like others have a right to correct us.

Thats all that I ever said ..and basic necessities are covered under the "public services" designation. But overall I would agree with you :)

Basic necessities NO.
Now we shall use our friend google and choose the popular definition.
A failed state is a state perceived as having failed at some of the basic conditions and responsibilities of a sovereign government. There is no general consensus on the definition of a failed state. The definition of a failed state according to the Fund for Peace is often used to characterize a failed state:

Common characteristics of a failing state include a central government so weak or ineffective that it has little practical control over much of its territory; non-provision of public services; widespread corruption and criminality; refugees and involuntary movement of populations; and sharp economic decline.[SUP][1][/SUP]

These points are applicable to most countries of the world. The ranking tells you less failed or more failed. So on some parameters Pakistan is a more failed state than many others in world, and on some parameters India is more failed state. So by stating the obvious you don't win any war, as you are equally failed. Now you can say there is no single definition, so how are you claiming one set of rules for yourself and one set of rules for others?
 

gottiII

Banned
Your not addressing anything ! (bigsmile) ..Is China known as the rape capital of the world ??...or the largest open air toilet in the world ??? - NO ...then where have you addressed any issue ??

Sati is still happening

Dev dasis are still live and well

Kashmiris want freedom

Tamil Nadu wants freedom

Telangana issue

maoists want freedom

seven sister states

economy tanking

Where has there been any improvement ??

Learn to read you dumb idiot (bigsmile)


Are the Dalits and Shudrs and harijans happy ???


Have you successfully hosted the commonwealth games ??

The kashmiris want secession for the pat 60 years

75 % of India doesnt have toilet ??


Like where is the improvement.

You have actually moved to a worse spot on the ranking ...if this continues which it is ,...you will be a WORSE failed State !

Brother, I've been going wild trying to tell you folks about the Tamil Nadu issue. Please read up on it and slap these people because they have no answer to that or the Vaishnavite-Shaivite argument. [hilar]
 

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