Re: Tonight with Jasmeen Special 22nd June 2012 - Orya Maqbool Jan, Hassan Nisar & Zafar Hilali
My answer to your reply was as long as your but it all disappeared somewhere :angry_smile:, so I'm too angry to write and recall the whole thing again
but will try my best!
first of all I agree with everything you said, I think you are 100% spot on including the core issues in army personnal training (i know cus people from my family had been in army so I do know the discriminatory attitudes in there).
But my problem is that when we have a civilian set up why drag military in every issue, specially every civilian issues without any proof whatsoever?
In MR case Only people from this channel not only on their channel but going on on other channels to say the same thing, putting blame on army just based on conjuctures, they failed to give us even a weakest proof in support of their arguement.
Only when that leaked video came out they calmed down a bit, but they haven't stopped (heard what asma jahangeer said? does she have any proof of that?)
yesterday Najaam sethi was saying that Masooom Zardari had nobdoy else appropriate for PM seat but Raja Rental, Poor zardari!
On balochistan and karachi issue, My stand is that how come a person like zardari can mess up the whole constitution, put the whole democratic system in jeopardy in order to defend his few million dollars saying we will take a stand for this 'COME WHAT MAY'? But says nothing on those core issues,
If army is responsible for this mess than why can't he tell them to step aside and I will sort this out 'COME WHA MAY'?and if stopped then should go for fresh mendate?
any practical steps from him? No! He enjoys power too much, So no I do not blame army for this, Govt is the authority and they should be blammed.
My problem with this channel is that they have this policy that they are hell bent on giving clean chit or create confusion in order to protect or justify actions of their respective political parties, I think they are doing this cus they know the kind of benefits they get from the present setup is not possible if status quo goes weaker.
Their individual and their 'Community interests' are far more important than the national interests.
My moto is SAY NO TO Status quo GHUNDA GARDI that includes army and It doesn't mean exclude ****** shareef and their alliance with Media! Ting!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't what's behind Geo's stance on this. It may be justified - we can't just assume that since they are taking on the agencies or the military establishment then they must be on the side of the argument. I think that if military can't see light of the day in the Baluchistan conflict or any other conflict for that matter then I don't have confidence in them and can't just give them benefit of the doubt. Could it be that Geo is big enough that they can call it as they see it. I have heard Malick, though he doesn't come across as brilliant, he is mostly on topic and has good and sensible arguments. I don't think that he is prone to hyperbole. You know that I don't have much trust in the military given their history and track record. Nothing in their past makes me very confident that they have the capability to make the right call. I strongly believe that their place is in the barracks and their responsibility is defending the country from the 'external' threats. The more they indulge in internal matters the more chances are that they will screw things up. I think that its high time that the 'agencies' should stick to defending the country from the external threats. It seems that these agencies are not able to protect us from the external threats rather they try to 'protect' us from the internal threats. Currently two of the internal conflicts have been grossly mismanaged and there doesn't seem to be any end in sight.
I will stop here - don't want to take too much of your time. You have to stick to more important things and spend less time in these futile discussions :-)
Military is not the holy cow. They should be up for critique as are other institutions. After all our poor nation sacrifices a lot to foot the bill of the military. As long as this feeling of superiority exists within the military we will keep having this discussion. I personally think that the way our officers are trained has to be radically overhauled. The ways of the british colonial military to train our officers has to change - its high time. The british had a reason to train their officers so that they will feel detached and superior to the common man. They couldn't afford to let the divide between the civilians and the military officers to disappear as that could have led to some serious detrimental consequences for the British masters. As you probably know best the British are adept at coming up best ways to use human psyche/history/culture/traditions to achieve the best results. I am sure that the way the british officers were trained in England was a lot different than how the sub-continent officers were trained in colonial british army.
Okay - I will stop rambling now. Just to sum up - positive criticsm is healthy in a democratic and civilized country. There should be no holy cows. Remember it was the military that led us into the war on terror and it was the military brains who invented the Taliban.
