Absolutely correct. But the man responsible for running the government was Yahya, if he could not handle it he should have removed himself from the scene. I don't absolve Zulfi and you are right he deliberately tried to sabotage any chances of a compromise with Bangalis but he was given that opportunity by incompetence of Yahya.
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Bhaee jo hazarat Army ko sacred cow samajhte hain they are all brainwashed by Zaid Hamid and Pakistani textbooks.Is army ne diya kya aaj tak?Har jung hari aur propaganda kiya. 3 million loogoun ko Bengal mein mara. Apne he mulk ko bar bar fatah karke shekhiyan maari.America keliye dalaali karke Soviet Union ke khilaf so-called Jihad kiya...aray kissi bhi human rights ki website per jaoo aur dekho inka asal chehra,inka kaisa bhayanak record hai human rights abuses mein.
Haan kuch hain jo professional tareeqe se kaam karte hain jaisa key woh jinki laashein India waloun ne tareefein karte hue Kargil se hand over ki thein. Warna yaqeen mano, is Military Dictatorship aur Army generals and estabishment ki history aur asliyat aisi hai key even Heera Mandi mein apna jism bechni wali prostitute bhi inse zyada izzat ki mustahiq hai.Woh tau phir bhi apna jism bechti hai,yeh Army wale tau jhoot bolte aur dhoka dete hain aur mulk ki izzat aur bharose ko bechte hain.Nehru ne sahi kaha tha key dunya ke mulkoun ke pass army hoti hai,Pakistan mein army ke paas mulk hai.
Aur issi army ko haddiyan milti hain kabhi White House se tau kabhi Saudiyaan ke us pervert king se. Yeh bus dalaali karne mein kaam aate hain.
Haan kuch hain jo professional tareeqe se kaam karte hain jaisa key woh jinki laashein India waloun ne tareefein karte hue Kargil se hand over ki thein. Warna yaqeen mano, is Military Dictatorship aur Army generals and estabishment ki history aur asliyat aisi hai key even Heera Mandi mein apna jism bechni wali prostitute bhi inse zyada izzat ki mustahiq hai.Woh tau phir bhi apna jism bechti hai,yeh Army wale tau jhoot bolte aur dhoka dete hain aur mulk ki izzat aur bharose ko bechte hain.Nehru ne sahi kaha tha key dunya ke mulkoun ke pass army hoti hai,Pakistan mein army ke paas mulk hai.
Aur issi army ko haddiyan milti hain kabhi White House se tau kabhi Saudiyaan ke us pervert king se. Yeh bus dalaali karne mein kaam aate hain.
mh.saghir
Minister (2k+ posts)
Well Bhutto was the Foreign Minister at time of Ayub Khan and he is the one who gave the idea of infiltrating the Indian Occupied Kashmir.
And in 1970's election, if Bhutto had some leniency and some respect for country then there will have been no Bangladesh...
But Ayub was the responsible person, he was the head of the state. He made Zulfi the foreign minister, being a soldier he was unable to gauge the impact in occupied Kashmir (he could have checked and double checked the reality on ground, he had the means). The country had to pay the price for the failures of Ayub, if we keep on passing the buck it will never stop.
Why blame Bhutto when Yahya was overlooking the affairs. It was Yahya's duty to ensure peaceful transfer of power to Mujeeb. Yahya could have compromised on some modified conditions (negotiate on 6 points of Mujeeb). What is amusing in this whole ordeal is that both Ayub and Yahya came forward with the promise of stabilization and both left bigger messes in their aftermath.
Jo bhi Pak army ke khilaf kisi kissam ka bhi propaganda kare ga , wo sab se bara namak haram hai. Yaad Rakho ke agr aaj aap aur hamare ghar wale Pakistan main chain ki neend so rahe hain, to wo sirf hamari bahadur Army ki waja se!!!!
PAK ARMY ZINDABAD
PAK ARMY KA EHSAAN, HAM KABHI BHI CHUKA NHI SAKTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TO ALL THOSE WHO HATE PAK ARMY GO TO HELL!!!
PAK ARMY ZINDABAD
PAK ARMY KA EHSAAN, HAM KABHI BHI CHUKA NHI SAKTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TO ALL THOSE WHO HATE PAK ARMY GO TO HELL!!!
Bangladesh ki baat chor do yaar, wo khitta, Pakistan ka banta hi nhi;;; hum apne sath jo Balochistan hai us ko nhi sambhal sakte, to bangladesh to dur ki baat hai, Bangladesh ne waise bhi aleyda ho jana tha bhai...
gazoomartian
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
The expense of defending a country specially Pakistan would never never go down mainly because of the deteriorating value of Rupee.
And defense is not something we can overlook. Our Nabi pbuh was hungry but sword always hung by wall for preparedness against kuffar and enemy of Allah. You can never be too careful in defense
TruPakistani
Minister (2k+ posts)
mh.saghir
Minister (2k+ posts)
Bangladesh in 1971 and today's Balochistan are the symbol of political incompetence of our leaders...
zsheikh
MPA (400+ posts)
Army kay generals khuda nahi hain jahan wo ghalat hongay unhay ghalat kaha jaye ga. Army kay soldiers ki beshak sacrifices hain lekin army kay generals ko DHA , Golf club bananay aur apnay pakistanion ko marnay ke ilaawa koi kaam nahi hai. Kyun raymond davis ko chora is army nein kyun NATO supply kholi inhon ne.
Pakistan Army(Top Leadership not Soldiers) are mercenaries. As long they are are running the show, Pakistan ka Khuda Hafiz. Only Army can put a person like Mushrraf on us for 8 years.
Sure he was selected by Nawaz and Ch Nisar who didnt like Kuli Khan but it was the Army that kept him in charge for 8 years. Just like Bhutto who selected Zia over many others. But thr Army keeps these people in charge. Corp commanders stay in line when you throw them a plot or two. Or a cushy post retirement job. Note of the three assassination attempts on Mush only Low level officer and soldiers were involved. After a ceratian rank patriotism/ideology/morals go out the window.
Only Airforce is known for its Independent streak. And you will notice Airchiefs have a habit of dying in accidents. Thats why they have to be bribed with F16 all the time.
Do a little research around you of everyone above the rank of Brigadier and I can assure you more than 70% have their children in the states,Canada and UK. In fact if you look at promotion beyond brigadier usually it involves courses in the Gulf, UK US after which they get recommended for promotion based on what their westren course instructors think.I think this is a informal weeding process. For e.g Mushraf who had a crap record was highly recommended by his British Course instructor in Sanhurst, which insured his promotion. Before that he was almost kicked out for indiscipline.
If you look at there facilities you will be amazed. Servents, clubs, Golf courses, Horse riding, pools,all you can eat messes, free tickets, 50% of on airfares etc, free mechanics,domestic,free mechanics help etc etc etc.Stuff most Pakistanis cant dream of. And then there Cantt residences. They control huge swathes of the countries economy. Like recently you must have seen how half of Mush era Staff was employed by Riaz Bahria. Tanks to some very creative laws they are the countries largest Qabza group.
On performance lets be honest we militarily lost every engagement since 47. And every time they will blame the BLOODY CIVILIANS. Take Drone strikes. They have allowed it (Infact till recently provided the information, maintained the media blackout and human intel) yet they have dumped the entire issue on the civilians who ofcourse dont have the backbone to make a decision. Which the Army of course knows.
I have friends in the Army and have family. A army man thinks totally different then the rest f us. Their lives are completely closed of. They have a strange superiority and victim hood complex and blame civilians on drop of a hat. Infact they have alot of contempt towards civilians. Laws , constitution are a joke. I cant tell how many times I have seen Army man scaring the crap out of Police ppl by showing their Army service card. I have also been witness to when they decide to thrash a traffic police man or guard for ever questioning them.
ISI may be useless abroad but they have infiltrated all media group political parties and will play every one against each other. They change government form and break coalition,decide elections.
I wont ever start on there Human rights record. Suffice to say in Bengal, Baluchistan,tribal areas Swat and Karachi they have done stuff we shouldnt be proud of.
Unfortunately most military types arent particularly smart. See all these Ex Generals on TV talk shows and you will be left very un impressed. They may be good in very narrow tactical matter or military abilities but otherwise pretty useless bunch.
But they are united and will always back each other. And that is there strength.
Sure he was selected by Nawaz and Ch Nisar who didnt like Kuli Khan but it was the Army that kept him in charge for 8 years. Just like Bhutto who selected Zia over many others. But thr Army keeps these people in charge. Corp commanders stay in line when you throw them a plot or two. Or a cushy post retirement job. Note of the three assassination attempts on Mush only Low level officer and soldiers were involved. After a ceratian rank patriotism/ideology/morals go out the window.
Only Airforce is known for its Independent streak. And you will notice Airchiefs have a habit of dying in accidents. Thats why they have to be bribed with F16 all the time.
Do a little research around you of everyone above the rank of Brigadier and I can assure you more than 70% have their children in the states,Canada and UK. In fact if you look at promotion beyond brigadier usually it involves courses in the Gulf, UK US after which they get recommended for promotion based on what their westren course instructors think.I think this is a informal weeding process. For e.g Mushraf who had a crap record was highly recommended by his British Course instructor in Sanhurst, which insured his promotion. Before that he was almost kicked out for indiscipline.
If you look at there facilities you will be amazed. Servents, clubs, Golf courses, Horse riding, pools,all you can eat messes, free tickets, 50% of on airfares etc, free mechanics,domestic,free mechanics help etc etc etc.Stuff most Pakistanis cant dream of. And then there Cantt residences. They control huge swathes of the countries economy. Like recently you must have seen how half of Mush era Staff was employed by Riaz Bahria. Tanks to some very creative laws they are the countries largest Qabza group.
On performance lets be honest we militarily lost every engagement since 47. And every time they will blame the BLOODY CIVILIANS. Take Drone strikes. They have allowed it (Infact till recently provided the information, maintained the media blackout and human intel) yet they have dumped the entire issue on the civilians who ofcourse dont have the backbone to make a decision. Which the Army of course knows.
I have friends in the Army and have family. A army man thinks totally different then the rest f us. Their lives are completely closed of. They have a strange superiority and victim hood complex and blame civilians on drop of a hat. Infact they have alot of contempt towards civilians. Laws , constitution are a joke. I cant tell how many times I have seen Army man scaring the crap out of Police ppl by showing their Army service card. I have also been witness to when they decide to thrash a traffic police man or guard for ever questioning them.
ISI may be useless abroad but they have infiltrated all media group political parties and will play every one against each other. They change government form and break coalition,decide elections.
I wont ever start on there Human rights record. Suffice to say in Bengal, Baluchistan,tribal areas Swat and Karachi they have done stuff we shouldnt be proud of.
Unfortunately most military types arent particularly smart. See all these Ex Generals on TV talk shows and you will be left very un impressed. They may be good in very narrow tactical matter or military abilities but otherwise pretty useless bunch.
But they are united and will always back each other. And that is there strength.
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