The Saudi Royals Money Making Schemes

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awan4ever

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
This is specially for the people who think that the Saudi Royal family should be respected for assisting their Muslim brothers everywhere. Read the highlighted part in red.


LONDON (Reuters) - When Saudi King Abdullah arrived home last week, he came bearing gifts: handouts worth $37 billion, apparently intended to placate Saudis of modest means and insulate the world's biggest oil exporter from the wave of protest sweeping the Arab world.
But some of the biggest handouts over the past two decades have gone to his own extended family, according to unpublished American diplomatic cables dating back to 1996.
The cables, obtained by WikiLeaks and reviewed by Reuters, provide remarkable insight into how much the vast royal welfare program has cost the country -- not just financially but in terms of undermining social cohesion.
Besides the huge monthly stipends that every Saudi royal receives, the cables detail various money-making schemes some royals have used to finance their lavish lifestyles over the years. Among them: siphoning off money from "off-budget" programs controlled by senior princes, sponsoring expatriate workers who then pay a small monthly fee to their royal patron and, simply, "borrowing from the banks, and not paying them back."
As long ago as 1996, U.S. officials noted that such unrestrained behavior could fuel a backlash against the Saudi elite. In the assessment of the U.S. embassy in Riyadh in a cable from that year, "of the priority issues the country faces, getting a grip on royal family excesses is at the top."
A 2007 cable showed that King Abdullah has made changes since taking the throne six years ago, but recent turmoil in the Middle East underlines the deep-seated resentment about economic disparities and corruption in the region.
A Saudi government spokesman contacted by Reuters declined to comment.
MONTHLY CHEQUES
The November 1996 cable -- entitled "Saudi Royal Wealth: Where do they get all that money?" -- provides an extraordinarily detailed picture of how the royal patronage system works. It's the sort of overview that would have been useful required reading for years in the U.S. State department.
It begins with a line that could come from a fairytale: "Saudi princes and princesses, of whom there are thousands, are known for the stories of their fabulous wealth -- and tendency to squander it."
The most common mechanism for distributing Saudi Arabia's wealth to the royal family is the formal, budgeted system of monthly stipends that members of the Al Saud family receive, according to the cable. Managed by the Ministry of Finance's "Office of Decisions and Rules," which acts like a kind of welfare office for Saudi royalty, the royal stipends in the mid-1990s ran from about $800 a month for "the lowliest member of the most remote branch of the family" to $200,000-$270,000 a month for one of the surviving sons of Abdul-Aziz Ibn Saud, the founder of modern Saudi Arabia.
Grandchildren received around $27,000 a month, "according to one contact familiar with the stipends" system, the cable says. Great-grandchildren received about $13,000 and great-great- grandchildren $8,000 a month.
"Bonus payments are available for marriage and palace building," according to the cable, which estimates that the system cost the country, which had an annual budget of $40 billion at the time, some $2 billion a year.
"The stipends also provide a substantial incentive for royals to procreate since the stipends begin at birth."
After a visit to the Office of Decisions and Rules, which was in an old building in Riyadh's banking district, the U.S. embassy's economics officer described a place "bustling with servants picking up cash for their masters." The office distributed the monthly stipends -- not just to royals but to "other families and individuals granted monthly stipends in perpetuity." It also fulfilled "financial promises made by senior princes."
The head of the office at the time, Abdul-Aziz al-Shubayli, told the economics officer that an important part of his job "at least in today's more fiscally disciplined environment, is to play the role of bad cop." He "rudely grilled a nearly blind old man about why an eye operation promised by a prince and confirmed by royal Diwan note had to be conducted overseas and not for free in one of the first-class eye hospitals in the kingdom." After finally signing off on a trip, Shubayli noted that he himself had been in the United States twice for medical treatment, once for a chronic ulcer and once for carpal tunnel syndrome. "He chuckled, suggesting that both were probably job-induced."
FOLLOWING THE MONEY
But the stipend system was clearly not enough for many royals, who used a range of other ways to make money, "not counting business activities."
"By far the largest is likely royal skimming from the approximately $10 billion in annual off-budget spending controlled by a few key princes," the 1996 cable states. Two of those projects -- the Two Holy Mosques Project and the Ministry of Defense's Strategic Storage Project -- are "highly secretive, subject to no Ministry of Finance oversight or controls, transacted through the National Commercial Bank, and widely believed to be a source of substantial revenues" for the then-King and a few of his full brothers, according to the authors of the cable.
In a meeting with the U.S. ambassador at the time, one Saudi prince, alluding to the off-budget programs, "lamented the travesty that revenues from 'one million barrels of oil per day' go entirely to 'five or six princes,'" according to the cable, which quoted the prince.
Then there was the apparently common practice for royals to borrow money from commercial banks and simply not repay their loans. As a result, the 12 commercial banks in the country were "generally leary of lending to royals."
The managing director of another bank in the kingdom told the ambassador that he divided royals into four tiers, according to the cable. The top tier was the most senior princes who, perhaps because they were so wealthy, never asked for loans. The second tier included senior princes who regularly asked for loans. "The bank insists that such loans be 100 percent collateralized by deposits in other accounts at the bank," the cable reports. The third tier included thousands of princes the bank refused to lend to. The fourth tier, "not really royals, are what this banker calls the 'hangers on'."
Another popular money-making scheme saw some "greedy princes" expropriate land from commoners. "Generally, the intent is to resell quickly at huge markup to the government for an upcoming project." By the mid-1990s, a government program to grant land to commoners had dwindled. "Against this backdrop, royal land scams increasingly have become a point of public contention."
The cable cites a banker who claimed to have a copy of "written instructions" from one powerful royal that ordered local authorities in the Mecca area to transfer to his name a "Waqf" -- religious endowment -- of a small parcel of land that had been in the hands of one family for centuries. "The banker noted that it was the brazenness of the letter ... that was particularly egregious."
Another senior royal was famous for "throwing fences up around vast stretches of government land."
The confiscation of land extends to businesses as well, the cable notes. A prominent and wealthy Saudi businessman told the embassy that one reason rich Saudis keep so much money outside the country was to lessen the risk of 'royal expropriation.'"
Finally, royals kept the money flowing by sponsoring the residence permits of foreign workers and then requiring them to pay a monthly "fee" of between $30 and $150. "It is common for a prince to sponsor a hundred or more foreigners," the 1996 cable says.
BIG SPENDERS
The U.S. diplomats behind the cable note wryly that despite all the money that has been given to Saudi royals over the years there is not "a significant number of super-rich princes ... In the end," the cable states, Saudi's "royals still seem more adept at squandering than accumulating wealth."
But the authors of the cable also warned that all that money and excess was undermining the legitimacy of the ruling family. By 1996, there was "broad sentiment that royal greed has gone beyond the bounds of reason". Still, as long as the "royal family views this country as 'Al Saud Inc.' ever increasing numbers of princes and princesses will see it as their birthright to receive lavish dividend payments, and dip into the till from time to time, by sheer virtue of company ownership."
In the years that followed that remarkable assessment of Saudi royalty, there were some official efforts toward reform -- driven in the late 1990s and early 2000s in particular by an oil price between $10-20 a barrel. But the real push for reform began in 2005, when King Abdullah succeeded to the throne, and even then change came slowly.
By February 2007, according to a second cable entitled "Crown Prince Sultan backs the King in family disputes", the reforms were beginning to bite. "By far the most widespread source of discontent in the ruling family is the King's curtailment of their privileges," the cable says. "King Abdullah has reportedly told his brothers that he is over 80 years old and does not wish to approach his judgment day with the 'burden of corruption on my shoulder.'"
The King, the cable states, had disconnected the cellphone service for "thousands of princes and princesses." Year-round government-paid hotel suites in Jeddah had been canceled, as was the right of royals to request unlimited free tickets from the state airline. "We have a first-hand account that a wife of Interior minister Prince Naif attempted to board a Saudia flight with 12 companions, all expecting to travel for free," the authors of the cables write, only to be told "to her outrage" that the new rules meant she could only take two free guests.
Others were also angered by the rules. Prince Mishal bin Majid bin Abdulaziz had taken to driving between Jeddah and Riyadh "to show his annoyance" at the reforms, according to the cable.
Abdullah had also reigned in the practice of issuing "block visas" to foreign workers "and thus cut the income of many junior princes" as well as dramatically reducing "the practice of transferring public lands to favored individuals."
The U.S. cable reports that all those reforms had fueled tensions within the ruling family to the point where Interior Minister Prince Naif and Riyadh Governor Prince Salman had "sought to openly confront the King over reducing royal entitlements."
But according to "well established sources with first hand access to this information," Crown Prince Sultan stood by Abdullah and told his brothers "that challenging the King was a 'red line' that he would not cross." Sultan, the cable says, has also followed the King's lead and turned down requests for land transfers.
The cable comments that Sultan, longtime defense minister and now also Crown Prince, seemed to value family unity and stability above all.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/special-report-u-cables-detail-saudi-royal-welfare-20110228-024349-974.html
 
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karachiwala

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
This is all bull, the crap that is being spread around. First of all that country is a kingdom not a democracy, the king owns the country and you say he needs to steal it from himself? Secondly we are very keen to see what Saudis are doing wrong and not what they are doing good. No doubt they have their share of bad apples but compare that to us. Do you think that if we were Saudi Arabia and we had Zardari and the whole lot of politicians what would have happened then??? You think West is free of corruption? No law can be made in USA until there is some money going into the pockets of some politicians. Have you heard the word pork barrel?? Why all of a suden yahoo and cnn and abc are looking into the affairs of KSA?? Some of us because of their personal grudge or belief are ready to lap up everything and spew it out harder then taking it in. I will say that again if you have been to Hajj then you will say that if any other country was running the affairs then this would have been impossible.
 

molson4u

Senator (1k+ posts)
Karachiwala bhai....These thugs charge Money to muslim brothers for hajj and spend million of those dollars in gambling, hookers and lavish lifestyles.

Please tell me from the way this thug King Abdual lives, did our prophet or Sahaba liked like him. These thugs are not even worth calling muslim because the loot money from muslim in the name of hajj yet promote USA and zionsit aganda to protect their filthy kingdom.
Zardari on the other hand is a thug that gets the money from USA and zionist and steels it, these thugs steel it from muslims and give it to the zionist...so who is better.

In this thug and looting game, Zardari wins.
 
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awan4ever

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
This is all bull, the crap that is being spread around. First of all that country is a kingdom not a democracy, the king owns the country and you say he needs to steal it from himself? Secondly we are very keen to see what Saudis are doing wrong and not what they are doing good. No doubt they have their share of bad apples but compare that to us. Do you think that if we were Saudi Arabia and we had Zardari and the whole lot of politicians what would have happened then??? You think West is free of corruption? No law can be made in USA until there is some money going into the pockets of some politicians. Have you heard the word pork barrel?? Why all of a suden yahoo and cnn and abc are looking into the affairs of KSA?? Some of us because of their personal grudge or belief are ready to lap up everything and spew it out harder then taking it in. I will say that again if you have been to Hajj then you will say that if any other country was running the affairs then this would have been impossible.

The king does not own the country. He subjugates it using force. The wealth of the nation belongs to the people and not to a family. Get out of this dark age mind set and read something for a change.

This is not to show comparison between us and them. this is just to corruption. Corruption is just corruption no matter where it occurs.

The West is not free of corruption but they are ruling the world while the Muslims are languishing in the dark ages with people like you thinking that the 'king' owns everything.

Read the highlighted text in the article. They havent even spared the Holy Masjids from corruption and all you can see is how well they manage Hajj.

Do you know how much your beloved royals invest in the US economy?
 

karachiwala

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Karachiwala bhai... These thugs charge Money to muslim brothers for hajj and spend million of those dollars in gambling, hookers and lavish lifestyles.

Please tell me from the way this thug King Abdual lives, did our prophet or Sahaba liked like him. These thugs are not even worth calling muslim because the loot money from muslim in the name of hajj yet promote USA and zionsit aganda to protect their filthy kingdom.
Zardari on the other hand is a thug that gets the money from USA and zionist and steels it, these thugs steel it from muslims and give it to the zionist...so who is better.

In this thug and looting game, Zardari wins.

No one in the entire world can even come near Sahaba (Radi Allahu Anhum Ajmaeen). They are wrong in many ways but they are also better in many more ways. I do not believe they are promoting zionist agenda and I certainly do not think that zardari is doing something better then these people. When you say these people steal from Muslims what do you mean?? Who have they stolen from?? As for Hajj have you ever been to Hajj? Do you know how much money is spent on each person? You talk good about Zardari was it not his minister who stole money from Hajis?? I still say your enmity is personal.
 
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awan4ever

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
The natural wealth of the country belongs to the people and not to the royal family. Every penny they spend without giving account of their finances is theft.
 

karachiwala

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
The king does not own the country. He subjugates it using force. The wealth of the nation belongs to the people and not to a family. Get out of this dark age mind set and read something for a change.

This is not to show comparison between us and them. this is just to corruption. Corruption is just corruption no matter where it occurs.

The West is not free of corruption but they are ruling the world while the Muslims are languishing in the dark ages with people like you thinking that the 'king' owns everything.

Read the highlighted text in the article. They havent even spared the Holy Masjids from corruption and all you can see is how well they manage Hajj.

Do you know how much your beloved royals invest in the US economy?

Whatever is being said in this article that you posted is to make us hate them. I think they are succeeding. My point was that there's is a kingdom not a democracy. Look at England the queen just made billions by allowing the government to install wind power turnbines in teh seas claiming she owns the sea!? This would be called stealing but you do not consider that to be stealing?? As for the Holy Masjids, please read what I wrote is the king trying to cheat himself/steal from himself. If he claims to own the land then why would he steal in this manner?? Please do not believe whatever you read in western media it is all hype. most of it is fabricated.
 

awan4ever

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Whatever is being said in this article that you posted is to make us hate them. I think they are succeeding. My point was that there's is a kingdom not a democracy. Look at England the queen just made billions by allowing the government to install wind power turnbines in teh seas claiming she owns the sea!? This would be called stealing but you do not consider that to be stealing?? As for the Holy Masjids, please read what I wrote is the king trying to cheat himself/steal from himself. If he claims to own the land then why would he steal in this manner?? Please do not believe whatever you read in western media it is all hype. most of it is fabricated.

If you want to keep your eyes closed and see everything as rosy and sweet thats your choice.
Can you give me a link to the Queens billion dollar scheme?
When you compare things, try to compare the amount of money the West spends on education and research which is the backbone of their superiority.
 

karachiwala

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
If you want to keep your eyes closed and see everything as rosy and sweet thats your choice.
Can you give me a link to the Queens billion dollar scheme?
When you compare things, try to compare the amount of money the West spends on education and research which is the backbone of their superiority.

That is all you see the superiority of the west? Do not worry that superiority is also going down the drain. Just wait and see. As for my eyes they are open and I am not one of those who see everything rosy. I do not believe Saudis are saints. I know there are a lot of bad apples there also but I do believe they are better than us. I go by what I have seen with my own eyes. I have seen poverty in that country and I did not like that. But I have alsom seen that the same country is spending millions of dollars and sending thousands of students to universities in Canada and USA to get educated. I have met these students most from very poor families. Are we doing the same??
 

awan4ever

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
That is all you see the superiority of the west? Do not worry that superiority is also going down the drain. Just wait and see. As for my eyes they are open and I am not one of those who see everything rosy. I do not believe Saudis are saints. I know there are a lot of bad apples there also but I do believe they are better than us. I go by what I have seen with my own eyes. I have seen poverty in that country and I did not like that. But I have alsom seen that the same country is spending millions of dollars and sending thousands of students to universities in Canada and USA to get educated. I have met these students most from very poor families. Are we doing the same??

Talk to me when their superiority goes down the drain. Right now they are ahead on every count be it technological or social and that is what matters. The present.

Go and check how much money the Saudis have invested in the US economy as opposed to any other country in the world.

Also show me how many advancements in technology have the Saudis come up with with their vast wealth and spending on 'education' as you claim.

Tell me one indigenous Saudi technology company only in the oil sector which is its biggest local produce?
 

karachiwala

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Talk to me when their superiority goes down the drain. Right now they are ahead on every count be it technological or social and that is what matters. The present.

Go and check how much money the Saudis have invested in the US economy as opposed to any other country in the world.

Also show me how many advancements in technology have the Saudis come up with with their vast wealth and spending on 'education' as you claim.

Tell me one indigenous Saudi technology company only in the oil sector which is its biggest local produce?

Quite simple explanation for all your outburst my dear watson. You are impressed by the WEST. I live in west but did not fall in love with it. END OF DISCUSSION
 

awan4ever

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Quite simple explanation for all your outburst my dear watson. You are impressed by the WEST. I live in west but did not fall in love with it. END OF DISCUSSION

Im impressed by what is impressive. If by that you conclude that I have lost my faith or that I look down upon myself then you are sadly mistaken.
If you have your head buried in the sand and cannot see what is evident then living in the west or the east wont matter to you. You will see the world through the goggles of false self aggrandizing dreams where the future is full of bliss and the past is full of glory but these goggles make you skip the humiliation of the present.

End of discussion.
 

dukelondon

Senator (1k+ posts)
@karachiwala

Please read about the history of Aal-e-Saud, who are they and how they came into power and you will know EXACTLY what brother awan4ever is talking about. If even after reading that, you cant understand, then any discussion is futile.
 

cefspan

Minister (2k+ posts)
This is all bull, the crap that is being spread around. First of all that country is a kingdom not a democracy, the king owns the country and you say he needs to steal it from himself?

And how does that happen? How they became the king> The answer is simple , they aided the british against Ottoman empire , they are blood traitors.....................
 

such bolo

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
بسم اللہ الرحمٰن الرحیم

میرے خیال میں مغرب پرستوں کے دن گنے جا چکے ہیں...امریکا کے زوال کی خبریں آنا شروع ہوچکی ہیں....پٹرول جو فلحال دنیا کی ترقی کو گرماے ہووے ہے اپنے اختتام پر ہے، زیادہ سے زیادہ ٢٠-٣٠ سال مزید جب پٹرول ٢٠٠-٣٠٠-٤٠٠ ڈالر پر بیرل کے قریب پونچیگا، منہگائی اپنے عروج پر ہوگی، سستے پٹرول نے جو تحقیق اور سرمایہ کاری کو ممکن بنایا ہوا ہے نایاب ہوجائیگا اور لاکھوں اور کروڑوں لوگوں کو روزگار دینا جب ناممکن ہوجائیگا اور موجودہ لائف سٹائل برقرار رکھنا بھی، اس وقت نام نہاد سرمایہ دارانہ نظام جس کی بنیاد سود اور لوگوں کے ٹیکسوں پر ہے بھی اپنی اہمیت اور افادیت کھودیگا اور بہت ممکن ہے کے وسائل کے حصول کے لئے خطرناک خونی جنگیں ہوں ...اللہ کے نبی صلی اللہ علیہ وسلّم کی پیشنگویاں سچ ہونگی کے پچاس پچاس عورتوں پر ایک مرد ہوگا...یعنی مرد نہ ہونگے جس کی ایک وجہ جنگوں میں مردوں کا ختم ہوجانا کہی جاتی ہے....اس وقت مغرب پرست کس طرف کھڑے ہونگے؟؟؟؟

سعودی حکمران آج ہیں کل نہیں...ہم کیوں کر اتنا شدو مد کے ساتھ انپر تنقید کرتے ہیں؟؟؟؟ وجہ صرف ایک ہے، جرم صرف ایک ہے یعنی انکا سرزمین اسلام پر حقیقی توحید قائم کرنا...اللہ کے نبی صلی اللہ علیہ وسلّم کی قبر مبارک کو عرس ، میلوں ٹھیلوں، قوالیوں، چادروں، سجدوں، دھمالوں، چرسیوں، مجاوروں، گدی نشینوں، شرک اور بدعت سے پاک کرنا.....انشاءللہ اللہ کے نبی صلی اللہ علیہ وسلّم کی قبر یں سب خرافات، بدعات، شرکیات اور کفریات سے پاک رہیگی قیامت تک...چاہے یہ حکمران رہیں یا نہ رہیں. اور جب تک اللہ ان حکمرانوں سے کام لینا چاہیگا لگا. انشاءللہ

 

cefspan

Minister (2k+ posts)
بسم اللہ الرحمٰن الرحیم


سعودی حکمران آج ہیں کل نہیں...ہم کیوں کر اتنا شدو مد کے ساتھ انپر تنقید کرتے ہیں؟؟؟؟ وجہ صرف ایک ہے، جرم صرف ایک ہے یعنی انکا سرزمین اسلام پر حقیقی توحید قائم کرنا...اللہ کے نبی صلی اللہ علیہ وسلّم کی قبر مبارک کو عرس ، میلوں ٹھیلوں، قوالیوں، چادروں، سجدوں، دھمالوں، چرسیوں، مجاوروں، گدی نشینوں، شرک اور بدعت سے پاک کرنا.....انشاءللہ اللہ کے نبی صلی اللہ علیہ وسلّم کی قبر یں سب خرافات، بدعات، شرکیات اور کفریات سے پاک رہیگی قیامت تک...چاہے یہ حکمران رہیں یا نہ رہیں. اور جب تک اللہ ان حکمرانوں سے کام لینا چاہیگا لگا. انشاءللہ




Bachae , Munnae , ja kae pehlae history parho , biddataen jahalat sae paida hotae haen , we r in extremes , agar Asia maen Biddat as dhamal , peeri hae then on the other extreme they have Wahabism .

Why Saudi dont go well with IRAN? ANSWER PLEASE>>>>>
 

Pakistani1947

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I 100% agree with brother such bolo; despite their human weaknesses, Saudi ruler have kept the Holy land free of all kind of SHIRK.

سعودی حکمران آج ہیں کل نہیں...ہم کیوں کر اتنا شدو مد کے ساتھ انپر تنقید کرتے ہیں؟؟؟؟ وجہ صرف ایک ہے، جرم صرف ایک ہے یعنی انکا سرزمین اسلام پر حقیقی توحید قائم کرنا...اللہ کے نبی صلی اللہ علیہ وسلّم کی قبر مبارک کو عرس ، میلوں ٹھیلوں، قوالیوں، چادروں، سجدوں، دھمالوں، چرسیوں، مجاوروں، گدی نشینوں، شرک اور بدعت سے پاک کرنا.....انشاءللہ اللہ کے نبی صلی اللہ علیہ وسلّم کی قبر یں سب خرافات، بدعات، شرکیات اور کفریات سے پاک رہیگی قیامت تک...چاہے یہ حکمران رہیں یا نہ رہیں. اور جب تک اللہ ان حکمرانوں سے کام لینا چاہیگا لگا. انشاءللہ
 
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molson4u

Senator (1k+ posts)
Now that the gang is here....let the game begin.

These Saudi thugs have destroyed Islam. To me there is no difference between Yazeed and Saud and Mr. Wahab. The didn't cut the branches of Islam but tried to cut the roots of Islam. Question is who taught you what is shirk and what is not shirk? The people who taught you about Allah, gave you his message, were the chosen one, preached the Quran and make you what you are. Respecting and loving them is shirk.

If there is no Muhammad(PBUH) there is no way to God and you will be dancing infront of Idols made of wood and stone like your forefathers did. These Saudi thugs who grew up on the Zakat of the Muslim ummah, today became the KING and prince's.


THEY ARE THUGS WHO CHARGE THOUSAND TO POOR TO DO HAJJ AND SPEND MILLION ON DRINKING, HOOKERS AND GAMBLING WHILE INVESTING THE MUSLIM RESOURCE OF OIL MONEY IN INVESTMENT IN THE WESTERN COUNTRIES.

You might not be impressed with the west but the people you worship( thug Saudi) are very impress with them. Before preaching me, preach them or stop following them. Don't be decieved its not abduallah but satan in the garb.
 

nasir ahmed

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wahabbi are americas lapdog and the biggest shirk is being a servent of America rather then Allah(swt) they have invested trillions in America and Europe.
 
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