Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Indeed Allah will not change ...

The quoted part of the quranic verse carries much greater sense in it than we take it for. When the Quran uses word like NAFAS from root NOON, FAA and SEEN it not only means soul or very being itself but something that belongs to or is connected with the word being eg ANFUSIHIM not only means each individual oneself but also each person that belongs to or is connected with those individuals. So people are told that if a group of people wants to change their state of existence then not only that individuals themselves need to change their own mindsets, attitudes and behaviours but also of those who are part of them. It is because a nation cannot be a nation unless people move together as one. In other words the quran tells us human beings that you are living like animals because you live as rivals and enemies due to living at the expense of each other despite the fact that you are all born from each other. What makes you turn against each other and ruins you all? There is a better way for you to live than this way of life that you have adopted due to your ignorance, illiteracy and lack of education. So if you want to get out of divisions you have created among yourselves due to rivalries, animosities, hatred and wars then here is advice for you in form of the quran. Learn to understand it and change your way of life from the way you live to what you are advised and see how fast you unite, become peaceful, develop and progress and become a prosperous human community.


It is because our rulers, mullahs and money lenders through their ulterior motives have derailed us by moving us away from the study of the quran that we are not bothered with learning the truth ourselves. NO wonder then that we are living in a terrible state of existence by trying to dominate each other through undermining each other.

If we look at the world, we will see Allah has created us different from each other. Some of us are male others female. Some of us are tall others short, some of us are fat others thin, some of us are strong others weak and so on and so forth. Had Allah created us all the same then human world could not function because we will not be able to recognise each other. Ask people who have identical twins and triplets etc.

Since we are created different from each other we are given a way of life to live by whereby we are supposed to stand in for each other ie each person with any advantage in any situation is supposed to help others who are disadvantaged in that situation in order to ensure well being of all. It is a way of life whereby you help others where you can and others help you where they can and so we are all happy because all our needs are met with help of each other. Now imagine if we all lived on this basis then what kind of world we will have brought about for ourselves?

The quran tells mankind to organise and regulate themselves along this ideology or way of life by giving up the way of life whereby we try to take advantage of each other the wrong way ie we try to dominate each other and undermine each other and end up fighting and killing each other for personal gains just because we have natural advantages over each other. The strong man instead of helping the weak beats up the weak and takes away what he can and calls it islam. This is what rulers, mullahs and money lender do and tell us this is islam. They are so stupid that they do not realise what the actual message of the quran is.

So no wonder we are misusing the quran and doing exactly that which the quran stops us from. Seeing our way of doing things nonmuslims are laughing at us all over the world and are running away from that kind of islam which is invented by rulers and meney lenders through their mullahs for this very purpose.

So do use your God given brains and senses and read the quran yourselves and think what the message of the quran might be and don't be fooled by label islam given to make beliefs and useless rituals because that is the actual trick and mechanism whereby people are fooled.

Mullah have little or no idea at all how the human language came about and evolved. Where did the words come from and how they got their concepts and meanings. Let me explain it a little. Words people speak are variations of sounds which when we write break down into letters eg a, b, c etc. Arabic words are derived from roots not from words. Each root is made of one, two, three, four or five etc letters. Mainly words are made from three letter roots eg see word NAFS above. These roots have concrete and abstract concepts and meanings attached to them. How do we derive meanings from roots and why? If we did research on language we will see that letters as we know them today were not written that way originally instead people have been coming up with new ways of writing them for thousands of generations. Arabic letters were most recent invention by arabs who borrowed them from other languages eg hebrew, syriac, armaic akkadian etc etc. Before people invented letters to write words they used to represent them as pictures of things eg what we call ALIF today was presented as a head of a bull. What we call BAA today was put in picture as a tent or house and so on and so forth. In hebrew BAA is called BEIT if we listen to its sound from a hebrew speaking person it sounds very close to arabic word BAIT=house. Now we should know that letters were invented from pictures. How did roots get their meanings? To understand how roots got their meanings we will have to look at pictures that represent letters as we know them today. For purpose of explanation let me take a letter called AIN in arabic. The letter AIN was represented by a picture of an eye in prototype languages. How did this letter get its meanings? People of those times gave meanings to letters on basis of things as to what they were, what they did or what they were used for ie the thing or the function of the thing was used to give it meaning. Now look at letter AIN and think about what is an eye and what it does or is used for. All these meanings are derived from this letter. For example, an eye is used for seeing things. So all meaning that have something to do with seeing or keeping an eye on things are found in letter AIN. An eye cries and tears run down from the eye so any water spring is also called AIN in arabic. This is how each letter has set of a meanings attached to it. When we say eye of the mind it means having sense of understanding of things. This is why in root based languages each set of letter is given all the meanings that each letter in that set has. You will find molvies telling us that a word in arabic language can have hundreds of meanings well that is the reason behind it which molvies need to know and explain to people. This should help people know how highly thinking people wrote dictionaries originally. Latter dictionaries are just words and a couple of meanings and that is all most people know. Now that we know how words are made from roots and and how roots got their meanings the next important things is context of a text. We cannot stick just any particular meaning anywhere just because a word can mean that, we can only take those meanings of a word that fit the context.

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Mechanical Monster

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Re: Indeed Allah will not change ...

The quoted part of the quranic verse carries much greater sense in it than we take it for. When the Quran uses word like NAFAS from root NOON, FAA and SEEN it not only means soul or very being itself but something that belongs to or is connected with the word being eg ANFUSIHIM not only means each individual oneself but also each person that belongs to or is connected with those individuals. So people are told that if a group of people wants to change their state of existence then not only that individuals themselves need to change their own mindsets, attitudes and behaviours but also of those who are part of them. It is because a nation cannot be a nation unless people move together as one. In other words the quran tells us human beings that you are living like animals because you live as rivals and enemies due to living at the expense of each other despite the fact that you are all born from each other. What makes you turn against each other and ruins you all? There is a better way for you to live than this way of life that you have adopted due to your ignorance, illiteracy and lack of education. So if you want to get out of divisions you have created among yourselves due to rivalries, animosities, hatred and wars then here is advice for you in form of the quran. Learn to understand it and change your way of life from the way you live to what you are advised and see how fast you unite, become peaceful, develop and progress and become a prosperous human community.


It is because our rulers, mullahs and money lenders through their ulterior motives have derailed us by moving us away from the study of the quran that we are not bothered with learning the truth ourselves. NO wonder then that we are living in a terrible state of existence by trying to dominate each other through undermining each other.

If we look at the world, we will see Allah has created us different from each other. Some of us are male others female. Some of us are tall others short, some of us are fat others thin, some of us are strong others weak and so on and so forth. Had Allah created us all the same then human world could not function because we will not be able to recognise each other. Ask people who have identical twins and triplets etc.

Since we are created different from each other we are given a way of life to live by whereby we are supposed to stand in for each other ie each person with any advantage in any situation is supposed to help others who are disadvantaged in that situation in order to ensure well being of all. It is a way of life whereby you help others where you can and others help you where they can and so we are all happy because all our needs are met with help of each other. Now imagine if we all lived on this basis then what kind of world we will have brought about for ourselves?

The quran tells mankind to organise and regulate themselves along this ideology or way of life by giving up the way of life whereby we try to take advantage of each other the wrong way ie we try to dominate each other and undermine each other and end up fighting and killing each other for personal gains just because we have natural advantages over each other. The strong man instead of helping the weak beats up the weak and takes away what he can and calls it islam. This is what rulers, mullahs and money lender do and tell us this is islam. They are so stupid that they do not realise what the actual message of the quran is.

So no wonder we are misusing the quran and doing exactly that which the quran stops us from. Seeing our way of doing things nonmuslims are laughing at us all over the world and are running away from that kind of islam which is invented by rulers and meney lenders through their mullahs for this very purpose.

So do use your God given brains and senses and read the quran yourselves and think what the message of the quran might be and don't be fooled by label islam given to make beliefs and useless rituals because that is the actual trick and mechanism whereby people are fooled.

Mullah have little or no idea at all how the human language came about and evolved. Where did the words come from and how they got their concepts and meanings. Let me explain it a little. Words people speak are variations of sounds which when we write break down into letters eg a, b, c etc. Arabic words are derived from roots not from words. Each root is made of one, two, three, four or five etc letters. Mainly words are made from three letter roots eg see word NAFS above. These roots have concrete and abstract concepts and meanings attached to them. How do we derive meanings from roots and why? If we did research on language we will see that letters as we know them today were not written that way originally instead people have been coming up with new ways of writing them for thousands of generations. Arabic letters were most recent invention by arabs who borrowed them from other languages eg hebrew, syriac, armaic akkadian etc etc. Before people invented letters to write words they used to represent them as pictures of things eg what we call ALIF today was presented as a head of a bull. What we call BAA today was put in picture as a tent or house and so on and so forth. In hebrew BAA is called BEIT if we listen to its sound from a hebrew speaking person it sounds very close to arabic word BAIT=house. Now we should know that letters were invented from pictures. How did roots get their meanings? To understand how roots got their meanings we will have to look at pictures that represent letters as we know them today. For purpose of explanation let me take a letter called AIN in arabic. The letter AIN was represented by a picture of an eye in prototype languages. How did this letter get its meanings? People of those times gave meanings to letters on basis of things as to what they were, what they did or what they were used for ie the thing or the function of the thing was used to give it meaning. Now look at letter AIN and think about what is an eye and what it does or is used for. All these meanings are derived from this letter. For example, an eye is used for seeing things. So all meaning that have something to do with seeing or keeping an eye on things are found in letter AIN. An eye cries and tears run down from the eye so any water spring is also called AIN in arabic. This is how each letter has set of a meanings attached to it. When we say eye of the mind it means having sense of understanding of things. This is why in root based languages each set of letter is given all the meanings that each letter in that set has. You will find molvies telling us that a word in arabic language can have hundreds of meanings well that is the reason behind it which molvies need to know and explain to people. This should help people know how highly thinking people wrote dictionaries originally. Latter dictionaries are just words and a couple of meanings and that is all most people know. Now that we know how words are made from roots and and how roots got their meanings the next important things is context of a text. We cannot stick just any particular meaning anywhere just because a word can mean that, we can only take those meanings of a word that fit the context.

http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?42439-Allama-Ghulam-Ahmad-Parwez-s-threads-collections&

I am deeply impressed by your last paragraph. I request you to start a thread on this topic and write it in Urdu so that more and more people may read and understand this. Don't forget to tag me in the thread also.........
 

Amal

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
اے ہمارے رب ہم پر اتنا بوجھ نہ ڈال

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TONIC

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: اے ہمارے رب ہم پر اتنا بوجھ نہ ڈال

Surah Al Baqara kee akhri do ayat bohat moasir hain....