The PTIs newest mantra

NohmnAli

MPA (400+ posts)
Another Blunder By PTI and IK. It seems that Pti is causing its own downfall.:angry_smile:

The PTIs newest mantra

ZAHID HUSSAIN UPDATED ABOUT 5 HOURS AGO

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The writer is an author and journalist.

The PTI now plans to go to international forums to amend what it describes as a stolen
electoral verdict. One thought the rigging controversy would be over after the NA-122 by-election. But the PTI is certainly not willing to give up.

Refusing to accept the result, the party now wants to take the battle to the international arena.

Former governor Chaudhry Mohammed Sarwar, who has emerged as the second-most powerful person in the PTI hierarchy, says he will raise the issue of new rigging techniques of the PML-N with the United Nations and the European Union. Surely, there is no limit to this absurdity. One wonders what this new rigging technique is all about and why it requires international attention.

What does the PTI expect these multilateral agencies to do? Fix the polls for next time? One cannot expect such a ridiculous stance from a serious political party. This mindless agitation and histrionics cannot take the party anywhere. The move to raise the issue of alleged electoral rigging at international forums exposes the partys irrational political
behaviour.


Calling for foreign intervention in our domestic affairs has become a part of our political culture.



In its obsession, the PTI seems to have forgotten that multilateral
organisations like the UN or the European Union do not have a mandate to intervene in the internal political matters of other countries. Who better than Chaudhry Sarwar, a former British member of parliament, would know this? Such moves only make a mockery of the party itself.

For sure, it is not the first and only instance of a political party approaching foreign powers for support even on minor political issues. It is almost normal practice for our political leaders
to knock on the doors of Western diplomatic missions in any internal political conflict. But the PTIs move crosses all limits.

There are fewer examples of sovereign countries where political parties are eager to obtain external help and blessings, showing little faith in the people and the institutions at home. For sure, there is always some justification for this approach: usually a long period of authoritarian rule, suppression of democratic rights and political
victimisation.

With many of the leaders being forced into exile over the years there is a new culture of remote-control politics. While Altaf Hussain fled the country in 1992, Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif also led their parties from outside reinforcing the culture of foreign support. This is certainly not the case in Pakistan today. With all its flaws and weaknesses, democracy has taken root in this country.

Interestingly, the PTI was in the forefront of castigating the MQM when Altaf Hussain called for UN intervention to stop what he described as the persecution and extrajudicial killings of his partys members. How come the MQM was wrong and the PTI is right in seeking UN support?

It is particularly shocking as the PTI claims to be fighting to bring about a change in the political culture of the country. It will not be surprising if the PTI next demands the holding of general elections under UN supervision. There is certainly no shortage of indiscretion when it comes to power politics in this country where national self-respect is in short supply.
Unfortunately, calling for foreign intervention in our domestic affairs has become a part of our political culture. Not only do the opposition parties seek international help to redress their grievances, ruling parties too often involve foreign powers to mediate in internal political conflicts.

It was perhaps most shocking when the Zardari government invited a UN investigation team to probe the murder of Benazir Bhutto. It was an unprecedented move by a government in power to rely on foreign investigators, a clear show of no-confidence in the domestic security agencies. Inevitably, the UN commission report only made things more complicated and added to the mystery surrounding the killing of the countrys former prime minister. The report was ultimately shelved, but the damage had been done.

Former foreign secretary Riaz Mohammed Khan lost his job for advising against involving the UN in the murder investigation. It was purely a political move that reinforced the perception of a failing
state unable even to conduct an impartial investigation into the killing of the countrys most powerful leader with her own party in the saddle.

One of the biggest examples of how deeply the foreign powers have been involved in our internal politics was the US-sponsored reconciliation negotiations between Gen Musharraf and Benazir Bhutto in 2007. The major objective of the reconciliation was to secure Musharrafs power and bring democratic legacy to his rule through an alliance with the PPP. The deal, however, never worked with Mushharaf losing control after the assassination of Benazir Bhutto. Musharraf had no choice but to step down when he lost Washingtons support too.

Besides the United States, the other country that has also been deeply involved in Pakistani politics is Saudi Arabia. It was in 1977 during the PNA movement that the Saudi ambassador got directly involved in the negotiations between the opposition alliance and the Zulfikar Ali Bhutto government.
But efforts failed and the Bhutto government was ousted in a military coup. The United States has been accused of playing a critical role in Bhuttos ouster.

Then in 2000 the Saudi government again got directly involved in getting Nawaz Sharif out of prison and hosted him for more than seven years. Saudi financial support for some of the parties has also been widely reported.

Any kind of external involvement in domestic politics is a major impediment in the development of a democratic culture and polity in the country. Democracy is a process and cannot be imposed from outside. So what is the rationale of inviting external intervention in the local elections in a democratic system? Is the PTI or other political parties not, wittingly or unwittingly, weakening the democratic political process by calling for external intervention?

http://www.dawn.com/news/1214443/the-ptis-newest-mantra
 
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DaPainKiller

Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: Where is PTI going with this? When MQM does it, its wrong. When PTI does it, its OK. Why??

When they invite Scotland Yard to investigate in the local matters then you are certain that the case is going to go no where.
MQM shouted for help in the past from UN, US, UK and India.
Now PTI is seeking foreign help too?
 

amir_ali

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Where is PTI going with this? When MQM does it, its wrong. When PTI does it, its OK. Why??

PTI is doing what it was hired to do, defame Pakistan, destabilize it.
 

arafay

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Where is PTI going with this? When MQM does it, its wrong. When PTI does it, its OK. Why??

this is lame by dawn. sarwar has already deny any such news but dawn/tribune and other english news dailies make money by 'making up' news about pti just to get more clicks and money. This is because unlike mqm where mostly you will find pan/ghutka bengali para crowd read urdu dailies many educated mohajirs supporting pti rely on english news dailies.
 

Will_Bite

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Re: Where is PTI going with this? When MQM does it, its wrong. When PTI does it, its OK. Why??

This piece of BS news has already been denied by PTI. Grow up patwarsis.
 

khandimagi

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Where is PTI going with this? When MQM does it, its wrong. When PTI does it, its OK. Why??

افسوس صد افسوس

یاد کیجے پی ٹی آئی کو جب و ہ تشکیلی مراحل میں تھی،
کون لوگ اپنی جانیں لڑا رہے تھے، ،کون لوگ اپنی زندگیوں کے قیمتی دن اسکے لئے برباد کررہے تھے

اور اب دیکھ لیجے پی ٹی آئی کس جگہ ہےاور کون لوگ اسکے کرتا دھرتا بنے ہوئے ہیں

پی ٹی آئی کے نظریاتی کارکنوں کو آہستہ آہستہ کھڈے لائین لگانے ،،
اور استحصالی عناصر کے ہاتھوں میں اسکی باگ دوڑ دینے سے
صاف پتہ چلتا ہے کہ اسکے
مالکان کا ایجنڈہ کیا ہے

افسوس پاکستان کی ایک اور نسل اس ملک کی سیاست پر
قابض استحصالی عناصرکے پھیلائے ہو ئے
فراڈ کی نظر ہوگئ
افسوس صد افسوس
 

karachii

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Where is PTI going with this? When MQM does it, its wrong. When PTI does it, its OK. Why??

افسوس صد افسوس

یاد کیجے پی ٹی آئی کو جب و ہ تشکیلی مراحل میں تھی،
کون لوگ اپنی جانیں لڑا رہے تھے، ،کون لوگ اپنی زندگیوں کے قیمتی دن اسکے لئے برباد کررہے تھے

اور اب دیکھ لیجے پی ٹی آئی کس جگہ ہےاور کون لوگ اسکے کرتا دھرتا بنے ہوئے ہیں

پی ٹی آئی کے نظریاتی کارکنوں کو آہستہ آہستہ کھڈے لائین لگانے ،،
اور استحصالی عناصر کے ہاتھوں میں اسکی باگ دوڑ دینے سے
صاف پتہ چلتا ہے کہ اسکے
مالکان کا ایجنڈہ کیا ہے

افسوس پاکستان کی ایک اور نسل اس ملک کی سیاست پر
قابض استحصالی عناصرکے پھیلائے ہو ئے
فراڈ کی نظر ہوگئ
افسوس صد افسوس

Same Happened with Original Muslim League under Jinnah, It was full of "Jageerdars" "Waderahs" and "Nawabs". Its the leader who is responsible for party actions.

Till now what we see in KPK is good enough to be believing in Imran Khan
 

NohmnAli

MPA (400+ posts)
Re: Where is PTI going with this? When MQM does it, its wrong. When PTI does it, its OK. Why??

Thanks for clarifying. But one thing is for sure that PTI should raised voice on other issues and make hue and cry the way they do on election rigging. Same attention to all the other problems is the only way forward. With the coming of CH. Sarwar it was hoped that PTI would renew its stance. But, it seems that PTI is going no where. PMLN has been successful in portraying IK as an immature politician. Now there are only two sorts of people. Those who hate IK because of his constant wranglings,and those who support him. There is no in between and mind it that those who hate him are increasing in numbers.
 

1mr4n

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Where is PTI going with this? When MQM does it, its wrong. When PTI does it, its OK. Why??

feel sorry for PTI[/QUOTEwhat to feel sorry for its eu commission funds elections they need to know so next time when they fund elections they know what to look for
 

NohmnAli

MPA (400+ posts)
Re: Where is PTI going with this? When MQM does it, its wrong. When PTI does it, its OK. Why??

When they invite Scotland Yard to investigate in the local matters then you are certain that the case is going to go no where.
MQM shouted for help in the past from UN, US, UK and India.
Now PTI is seeking foreign help too?
U are right. The same is going to happen with electoral reforms. PTI should work in parliament for electoral reforms as PMLN would try to stall such reforms. PTI is caught in this game because of their own obstinacy and it seems that there is no way out of this for them. PTI should renew and republish its manifesto and should start a mass contact movement is Pakistan as the time is ripe for LB elections.
 

ThirdUmpireFinger

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
According to EU report "Election 2013 were Pakistan's best ever and free election". IK always condemned for EU for their report on election 2013 but now Sarwar wants to involve them in NA122. I thought Sarwar is a sane man but he is proving himself more idiot than his leader.
 

NohmnAli

MPA (400+ posts)
Re: Where is PTI going with this? When MQM does it, its wrong. When PTI does it, its OK. Why??

G bilkul, boht afsos hota hy. Yahan Punjab main log IK ko serious nahi letay. IK ko punjab k masayil pe focus krna chahiye. KPK main IK ne dharney diye and Pakhtunon k huqooq ki baad ki. Poora saal mehnat ki tab ja KPK main in ko votes milay. Punjab main bhi IK ko yehi krna prey ga. Poora saal waqt lgana ho ga aur Punjab k issues jaisa k agriculture, textile industry, education system aur Police culture pe press conferences aur jalsey krney ho gay. Nhi to agley elections main bhi 2013 wala haal hpo ga.
 

NohmnAli

MPA (400+ posts)
Re: Where is PTI going with this? When MQM does it, its wrong. When PTI does it, its OK. Why??

PTI is doing what it was hired to do, defame Pakistan, destabilize it.
I don't think so. PTI's policies are much better than PMLN and they also have the people, tools and commitment to do so. Their 2.5 year govt. is proving to be better than 7.5 years continuous rule of PMLN. It is just a propaganda statement and people are starting to believe less and less in it. Although, its true that people of tired of IK's continuous tirade on rigging.
 

NohmnAli

MPA (400+ posts)
According to EU report "Election 2013 were Pakistan's best ever and free election". IK always condemned for EU for their report on election 2013 but now Sarwar wants to involve them in NA122. I thought Sarwar is a sane man but he is proving himself more idiot than his leader.
These elections were "relatively" free and fair. They could have been better. Reorganization is the only way forward. PTI should come up with a system to award tickets to its candidates else they are doomed.
 

khandimagi

Minister (2k+ posts)
Re: Where is PTI going with this? When MQM does it, its wrong. When PTI does it, its OK. Why??

same happened with original muslim league under jinnah, it was full of "jageerdars" "waderahs" and "nawabs". Its the leader who is responsible for party actions.
till now what we see in kpk is good enough to be believing in imran khan​

جناح کی مسلم لیگ میں اگر کچھ غلط ہوا تو اسے اب ہمارے لئے ایک سبق ہونا چاہئے،،ایسی چیزوں سے بچنا چاہئے
میں عمران خا ن کی بات نہیں کررہا،،پی ٹی آئی کے بات کررہا ہوں،،دوست
کیا جیسا میں نے لکھا ایسا نہیں ہوا،،،اگر ایسا ہوا تو آپ کو اسکی فکر کرنی چاہئے
کیونکہ جب مسلم لیگ میں ساری طاقت جاگیرداروں کے ہاتھ میں سما گئی تھی تو اسکا انجام قوم آج تک بھگت رہی ہے،،،کہ نہیں؟
انصاف کے لئے دربدر ماری ماری پھرتی قوم کیلئے، تحریک انصاف بپا کرنے کے بعد،،اسکے ساتھ انصاف کرنا آپکا فرض ہے،ہم آپ سے اسکی دہائی نہیں دیں گے تو کس سے فریاد کریں گے؟
تعمیری تنقید کو دل پر لینے اور دوسروں کو اپنے مفادات میں آڑے شخص کا طرفدار قرار دے دینے سے کیا آپ اپنی جماعت کو ایسا بنالیں گےجیسا اسے ہونا چاہئے،،سوچیں
 

rakaposh

Voter (50+ posts)
انصاف کے لیے تحریک انصاف کو کسی بھی فورم پر جانے پڑے تو اسے جانا چاہیے. اگر ایسے ہی 2018 کے انتخابات بھی ہوے تو نوررے پھر جیت جائیں گے اور خان صاحب کے پاس دو ہی راستے بچیں گے یا تو انتخابات کا راستہ ترک کر کے نوروں کے خلاف مسلح جدوجہد کا آغاز کریں یا پھر چلتی ٹرین گے آگے آ جائیں
 

ThirdUmpireFinger

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
These elections were "relatively" free and fair. They could have been better. Reorganization is the only way forward. PTI should come up with a system to award tickets to its candidates else they are doomed.

What will be response if EU refused to get involved in NA122 elections which has no importance even in Pakistan.
 

such bolo

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
چودھری سرور کہہ چکا ہے کہ اسنے ایسی کوئی بات نہیں کی

ڈان کی اس صحافی کو اتنی جلدی تھی کالم لکھنے کی
تصدیق کی نہیں خبر کی اور اپنا وقت اور سب کا وقت ضائع کیا