I do agree that Pakistan studies textbooks shouldn't be looked upon as some sacred scriptures. Afghans sometimes laugh on us saying that look at them they rely and use our legends and figures. Plus, Islam reached India during the tenure of Hazrat Omar Faroque Razi Allahu Anhu, and by praising murderers, rapists and looters we are not doing anything good for our upcoming generations. Later on when Islamophobes say that Islam spread via sword, wars and genocides then we start whining....hypocrisy at its best. But in Pakistan asking for authenticity of school textbooks can get you labelled as Kafir or Traitor. I wonder whether those who praise Mahmud Ghaznavi here may repeat the Sialkot incident if someone criticizes liked of Gahuri, Ghaznavi, Lodhi or Tughlaq in real offline world.
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Ashoka was an ambitious person who ruled more than 95% of present day Pakistan and went as far as Kabul and Deccan in the South. He was a brutal person. But after the battle of Kalinga he felt really bad and ashamed , plus later on went on a path of reconciliation. He would accept Buddhism, preach it in different directions, would have written golden principle of humanity on stones and later on he even returned the conquered lands. What about the archaeological findings in Indus Valley and other parts?
Zionist Hindu
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Is that what you are taught in Pakistan? You could have got the answer by typing Hindu history in Wikipedia. Google search is a useful tool.
realitycheck
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No one can say Afghans rape women and kill people .....
No one can say Afghans torture people
No one can say Afghans did forced conversions .........
Yes they took booty of war.... Thats what Hindus did ... thats what every triumph army do.... People dont you feel sham.. I am proud of Ghaznavi , Ghori and Abdali
No one can say Afghans torture people
No one can say Afghans did forced conversions .........
Yes they took booty of war.... Thats what Hindus did ... thats what every triumph army do.... People dont you feel sham.. I am proud of Ghaznavi , Ghori and Abdali
ImRaaN
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Why have quoted me in it, i will kick the shiit out them who are barking against Gaznawi. Our four fathers belongs to Afghanistan.
Unicorn
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No there are no Pakistanis whose name could be used specially in the light of mass surrenders to Kafir armies. They need a name for missile that is associated with mass murders.
Unicorn
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I never said Afghans did terrible things as a whole. There are lot of Afghans that were very admirable people men of piece like Bacha Khan.
For Hindu audience in this thread I have a few comments to make :
1. It is my view that even before independence in 1947 , the hindu historians were synthesizing false history and events of 1947 forced both Congress and Hindu mahasabha to write wrong history as the correct history could remove the Nehru dynasty from power taking congress with it. The book by Jaswanth singh is one such episode pointing to this .
2. The Hindus try to project that Marhattas for instance were indigenous freedom fighters born out of excesses of Moguls esp Aurengzeb. A recent cambridge history nullifies that view and feels that Marhattas were sepoy clans of the Shiite regimes of Southern india and so their ascension is not popular revolution but rather a routine of history, I.e hired soldiers ultimately taking over regimes themselves.
3.British historians of last century were uninfluenced by current Hindu version of history and their view for example of Aurengzeb was of a principled , great king , infact British historians are of the view that Muslim rulers of India enhanced the status of Brahmins in India at the expense of Khastriya and one can guess when Auregzeb shifted for taxation from share in tributes from idol temples to Jizya the Brahmins must have been happy.
4. This needs ascertainment but that large city Hindu traders must have benefited from Muslim rule as for example it could enhance the trade both via land and sea as the world outiside india was a Muslim dominated world from Morroco to Indonesia .
5. Then although Muslim rule always helped Islam but KING of ancient time was a different concept , he was a father , loyalty to king transcended the faiths , so Hindu general in Muslim army or a Muslim to be the most influential man in Kublai Khan's court or Ranjit Lahore's corp commander to be Muslim and personal secretary of Ranjit to be Faqir Brothers has to be seen in different context.
6. The indian Hindu of today is not the same species as it was 1000 years back or even before 1947. Before Partition a Hindu of caste would not even buy an edible from Muslim Shop , today they in large cities dine with you .and act modern but not all do this .
7. Regarding revenue cessation , this was taken as sign of disloyalty and declaration of independence and needed Military invasion again . Even today if Bombay stops paying federal taxes will Indian army not invade .It will.
8. Element of Loot or Ghinamat in war was the order of the day with every conquerer , With no industry the main income source for barren land occupants was trade , labour , loot or sell slaves or else die of hunger . Selling slaves , making slaves , is a good example of making profit out of nothing . It is true that extortion by Muslim rulers was reported from time to time and hardly a few were interested in imposing serious Sharia law , many were drunkards like Jahangir .
9 .Hindus must have benefitted from being part of large empires of Muslims as in those anarchic times like many other places Hindus might have preffered to be part of large administrative systems and offcourse Hindu clerks and collectors did collect revenues as officers of moghal state even a century after Aurengzeb died and spoke persian and even the much Celebrated in India Marhattas according to Cambridge history collected revenues for moghuls for a quarter share and for decades the tarrif was more for Hindus and they collected it .
So Hindus should not try to sythesize history and accept mentally that Muslim invaders were indeed conquerers of a highest order and local indian population was not a match . We do not and will not say that Atom was discovered by any Muslim say some Mr.Kamran and neither should India fund Pakistani media to teach false history to us via Geo /Jang or the news and CJ Iftikhar should not protect such persons or institutions .
Hindus have to accept that for 800 years they lived in a world dominated by Muslims and Islam in this part of the world and to a great extent elsewhere. And yes they were Zimmis cum partners of the systems put in place by the overlords , the Muslims . They should be proud of this partnership , atleast they worked with persons who believed in equality of human beings in theory atleast.
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Unicorn
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Dude, just forget what Hindus write in there history books and read his biography by Persians. He was not an Afgnani was a Turk Slave. He slaughtered thousands of Muslims before he came to power and after.
Hopefully one day a Turk will arrive in Pakistan slaughter hundreds of thousands of Muslims gain power and than deal with pesky Hindus.
shami11
Minister (2k+ posts)
Imranpak
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
No doubt Muslim's in the subcontinent have given a lot to the region as well as causing mayhem. Question is why did the Hindu god's not intervene putting the likes of Ghaznavi in their place when they were on their looting spree;) Obviously they were happy to see the Muslim's do whatever they wanted taking over the entire region.
Unicorn
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In the battle of Guzba Hind are you going to wear Mehmud costume or something ells. I will be in my Pagan Gangez Khan costume.
Imranpak
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
No! I will be in denims and a t-shirt!!:biggthumpup:
karachiwala
Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Zionist Hindu, Unicorn and Descicad all of you have all the right in world to cry foul. Of course if had not been to Mahmood Ghanznavi and Muslims coming to India you would still be living in the **** holes, houses that has no windows or any kind of ventilation and there would have been no reason to post anything about toilet situation in India because this would not even have been the subject. The subject would have been which cow's urine is more sacred?
who should decide what kind of houses the locals want to live in or whether they want toilets or not?..........is it the people of the land or the invaders?...........
for example in afghanistan today, it is the americans or afghans who should decide how to live their lives?........
Yes we know about his stories, conquered whole of sub-continent and even went inside present day Afghanistan, and this gave a good reason to hardliner Hindus to demand for Akhand Bharat. But again, all these stories were concocted. Why is that, no one knew about this mighty Hindu warrior before 18[SUP]th[/SUP] century. Even the Hindus didnt have any clue about one of their most powerful king in history. First time the world ever came to know about Ashoka was through Jame Princep writing , a Britisher. The biggest evidence Princep had to support his theory was the pillars (the Edicts of Ashoka) , those pillars were distributed all over sub-continent to mark boundaries of his kingdom. According to archeological evidence, many of those pillars contain Buddhist scriptures which date back to Buddhas time, centuries before Ashoka was even born. Questions: If it contains Buddhist scriptures, which suggests it might have been raised after Ashokas conversion to Buddhism, the time when he turned a good guy, left his ambitions and gave back conquered land. Then why would he raise those pillars, which would reflect his ambitious victories. There are many other contradictions too.
What does Indus valley civilization has to do with Ashoka??? Its a 5000 years old civilization, almost 3000 years before Ashoka. Indus valley civilization was formed by people who settled around Indus River (current day Pakistan). So, Indus valley civilization belong to current day Pakistanis, we are the people of the land, whose ancestors have been living here since thousands of years, irrespective of whatever faith they had. Indian should stop hijacking our History, just because the name contains the word 'Indian", given during per-partition time.
I would also suggest you to read about personal lives of Bin Qasim, Ghaury, Ghaznavi Baber and Aurangzeb etc. Do that irrespective of religious bias, you will find they might also have a good aspect to their off-the-battle-field-life.
Unicorn
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Dude, we resisted the invaders for hundreds of years. We can clearly see how great those countries are where Invaders came from. With the exception of hand full the rest were all dirt bags who destroyed almost all centers of learning that were established in India which includes Texla and great Nalanda. Go and visit the ruins of Texla University it matches the ruins of Pakistan's education system:lol:
There is reference in one post above by unicorn about Pagan Genghiz Khan costume !. Correction is that Genghiz khan believed in God they say . This was the reason for my post about Gen.Zia where he was appreciated for helping in the defeat of the greatest Atheistic power in the history of Mankind , if Genghiz was atheist I would not have made that thread. By the way in this defeat of USSR a small credit goes to late Morar ji Desai too for resisting USSR pressure to invade Pakistan during Afghan Jehad and Zia regime announced to award him the highest Pakistani award but Benazir Bhutto regime cancelled it. Offcourse Desai did not resist USSR for Paksita but for USA but his person is important too .
Unicorn
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Pagans do believe in God in their own way. Mongols were not atheists they believed in " Tangiri " lord of the Blue Sky. They were terrified of thunder stroms in a believe that it was the wrath of Tangiri upon them.
