baat to sahi kre hy citizen ny , aap siasat ko or Islam ko alag alag deal krty ho ,
aap JUIF ky to nahi lolz
Speak the truth even if it is bitter
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aap JUIF ky to nahi lolz
nawaz.sharif
Minister (2k+ posts)
but her jaga yeh bat thori kernay wali hai ... itnay dosray threads hain wahan per apni bharas nikal lia karain...
nawaz.sharif
Minister (2k+ posts)
nahi I hate those filthy bas*ards
aap ka khud ky baray main kia khayal hy aik ghatya choor baygharat Islam ky dushman ko support krty ho jis ny Khatam e Nawuwat S.A.W tuk ko khatam krny ki koshish kre
jeeb loog ho yaar tussi
Wake up Pak
(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
O Bhai Prophet Mohammad used to teach Islam from the Quran nothing else.
nawaz.sharif
Minister (2k+ posts)
thanks
Wake up Pak
(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
69:44-48
“And if the messenger were to invent any sayings in Our name, We should certainly seize him by his right hand, And We should certainly then cut off the artery of his heart: Nor could any of you withhold him (from Our wrath). But verily this is a Message for the God-fearing”
abuomarsheikh
Councller (250+ posts)
speak truth even if it leads to your death
Citizen X
(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Oh jaar yaar, wadda ayya gunnah da mama. Jis banday ki bunyad hi jhoot, faraib aur dhoka ho woh gunnah ki baatain kertwa bhi acha nahi lagta.
Even man has his faults and shorts comings, no one is perfect but if you openly support evil, lies, fraud and dishonesty and on the other hand talk about God and Sin, thats called hypocrisy. First mend those basic faults then try to move further along
Citizen X
(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
But their leader is currently the leader of your leader, how come you haven't made even tiny squeak about that. Your blind support for evil and dishonesty stops you from even speaking against your political god knowing full well he is in cahoots with these as you call them bastards.
You see this is the problem with your kind
Kahin aab ais ke baat to nahi kr rahay video mulaihza farmai,
aap ke leader usse bas*ards ky kandhoo pr
Wake up Pak
(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
aaj is duniya main sirf aur sirf quraan hi khudaa ki kitaab hai. ye kitaab khudaa ne apne liye nahin likhi balkeh insaanu hi ki hidaayat ke liye likhi hai.
jab tak insaani dimagh is kitaab ko theek tarah se nahin samajh paate us waqt tak ye un ke liye hidaayat saabit ho hi nahin sakti.
lihaaza is per logoon ko mil jul ker kaam kerna ho ga taa keh is ko theek tarah se samajh saken aur isse woh drust hidaayat haasil ker saken jo khudaa chahta hai.
jab insaanu ko isse drust hidayat mil jaaye tab hi woh us hidaayat per theek tarah se amal ker ke is ke maqsad ko poora ker sakte hen warna diwaar ke saath sar maarte rahen aur zakhmi hote rahen aur aik doosre ko zakhmi kerte rahen.
is liye ye kehna keh insaanu ki kitaaben bilkul hi bekaar hen yaa un ki bilkul hi zaroort nahin hai bilkul hi ghalat baat hai. haan ye baat drust hai keh her insaani drust baat ko perkhane ka pemaana sirf aur sirf quraan hi ho sakta hai. aur quraan ki her baat ko saheeh tarah se perkhane ka pemaana insaani aqlo fiker se daryaaft shuda woh atal asool hen jin ki bunyaad per ye duniya wajood main laai gayee hai aur qaaim rakhi gayee hai.
jab tak insaani dimagh is kitaab ko theek tarah se nahin samajh paate us waqt tak ye un ke liye hidaayat saabit ho hi nahin sakti.
lihaaza is per logoon ko mil jul ker kaam kerna ho ga taa keh is ko theek tarah se samajh saken aur isse woh drust hidaayat haasil ker saken jo khudaa chahta hai.
jab insaanu ko isse drust hidayat mil jaaye tab hi woh us hidaayat per theek tarah se amal ker ke is ke maqsad ko poora ker sakte hen warna diwaar ke saath sar maarte rahen aur zakhmi hote rahen aur aik doosre ko zakhmi kerte rahen.
is liye ye kehna keh insaanu ki kitaaben bilkul hi bekaar hen yaa un ki bilkul hi zaroort nahin hai bilkul hi ghalat baat hai. haan ye baat drust hai keh her insaani drust baat ko perkhane ka pemaana sirf aur sirf quraan hi ho sakta hai. aur quraan ki her baat ko saheeh tarah se perkhane ka pemaana insaani aqlo fiker se daryaaft shuda woh atal asool hen jin ki bunyaad per ye duniya wajood main laai gayee hai aur qaaim rakhi gayee hai.
We must never accept human works without proper scrutiny. This is very important point and the reason is because humans make mistakes.
aap baat poori kiya karen. kisi bhi shakhs ka her qolo fail kisi bhi doosre shakhs ke liye deen ka darja nahin rakhta agarche keh woh qolo fail khudaa ke kisi paighambar ka hi kyun na ho.
agar aap aisi aadhi aadhi baaten karne se baaz nahin aayen ge to main aap se saboot maangoon ga jo aap kabhi bhi nahin de saken ge. aap hi nahin duniya bhar ke mullaan mil ker bhi aisa koi saboot nahin de sakte.
paighambar ka sirf aur sirf wohee qolo fail doosrun ke liye misaal ho sakta hai jo unhune ne apne khudayee mission ko poora kerne ke liye bola ya kiya ho. warna na to kisi ke paas waqt hai keh woh kisi doosre ki her baat ko note kare aur na aisa kerna kisi ke liye mumkin hi hai.
kisi bhi mullan ki sunnat ki taareef bilkul hi ghalat hai. aap saabit karen keh kisi bhi mullaan ki sunnat ki koi bhi tareef drust hai.
agar aap tanzeeme islami se wabasta hen to un ko bhi aqal sikhaayen na keh un ki ghalat baatun ki tasheer karen.
Shimaz
MPA (400+ posts)
If someone collects your sayings and actions in a book, would it be man-made? There's a difference between man-made and man-collected. Learn that first. Also learn the history and process of hadith. Just because there exists some books well sorted and in proper book form does not mean it was "written" by some man hundreds of years later. And Hadith were being collected in the very time of prophet on stones, books, leaves, etc and passed on.
The confusion is also that you do not understand how hadith works and what grading in hadith means.
In general questioning authenticity of hadiths is perfectly fine, for example I may not agree with some ahadiths especially in Kitab ul Fitn or in some other books, but that has to be done on individual basis and taking a full view of issue at hand, for e.g. a hadith in tirmizi says without bismillah wudu is not valid, which is questionable but it does not mean all hadith are incorrect. A blanket ban like you are imposing is itself illogical and non sensical and it's coming from some cultist point of view you seem to have developed on Hadith to reject everything without exception. It's not like prophet muhammad SAW exists before times of recorded history. Even on a worldly basis, this is scientifically illogical to believe sayings of one of the most important personality were not recorded at any level.
You are not alone. There are many non muslims who superficially reject Quran also because they "apparently" get lost in translation and find opposing statements here there.
A little education won't hurt before passing illogical conclusions.
Shimaz
MPA (400+ posts)
I sincerely wish they would understand. The biggest problem i have seen in discussion with PMLN supporters is that they lie a lot and never speak the truth even if it means utter humiliation for them.
The words of this Hadith fit perfectly as a litmus test on Pakistani socio political setting and i think the real purpose of this hadith by our prophet was for a society like ours where some group of ppl "knowingly lie" (not because they're unaware of truth), but by choice.
Shimaz
MPA (400+ posts)
There is a so called Maulana in PDM who uses religion to do his dirty politics on daily basis. Reflect on that on your own.
