Son of Osama - Omar bin Laden has integrity rather than Pakistan

Rana Tahir Mahmood

Senator (1k+ posts)
Sons lash out at bin Laden's 'arbitrary killing'
May 11, 2011 at 08:16
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By AFP
WASHINGTON - The sons of Osama bin Laden broke their silence Tuesday, denouncing his "arbitrary killing" and saying the whole family felt demeaned and humiliated by the father's burial at sea.

In a statement given to the New York Times, the sons asked why their father "was not arrested and tried in a court of law so that the truth is revealed to the people of the world."

Bin Laden was killed by US forces on May 2 after being tracked down to a Pakistani compound where he is believed to have lived for years, despite a massive global hunt for the architect of the September 11, 2001 attacks.

The statement denouncing his father's killing is said to have been prepared at the direction of his son, Omar bin Laden, 30, and also called for the Al-Qaeda leader's three wives and children to be released.

"We maintain that arbitrary killing is not a solution to political problems," the statement said, adding that "justice must be seen to be done."

It also called into question "the propriety of such assassination where not only international law has been blatantly violated."

Pakistani officials have said three of bin Laden's wives were recovered from the house in Abbottabad after the raid, all of them Yemeni or Saudi, and 13 of their children.

His Yemeni wife, Amal Ahmed Abdulfattah, was shot in the leg during the US Navy SEALs operation in which her husband died.

Omar bin Laden, who the Times said was the son of bin Laden and another wife, Najwa bin Laden, condemned the shooting in the statement, which did not name any of his brothers.

"We want to remind the world that Omar bin Laden, the fourth-born son of our father, always disagreed with our father regarding any violence and always sent messages to our father, that he must change his ways and that no civilians should be attacked under any circumstances," the statement said.

"Despite the difficulty of publicly disagreeing with our father, he never hesitated to condemn any violent attacks made by anyone, and expressed sorrow for the victims of any and all attacks."

The statement was given to the New York Times by American author by Jean Sasson, who helped Omar bin Laden write a 2009 memoir, "Growing Up bin Laden."

A shorter, slightly different statement was posted on a jihadist Web site Tuesday in which the sons said bin Laden's burial at sea "demeaned and humiliated" his family.

"It is unacceptable -- humanely and religiously -- to dispose of a person with such importance and status among his people, by throwing his body into the sea in that way, which demeans and humiliates his family and his supporters and which challenges religious provisions and feelings of hundreds of millions of Muslims," the shorter statement, provided by the SITE monitoring group, said.

US President Barack Obama was "legally responsible" for "a criminal mission" which "obliterated an entire defenseless family ... contrary to the most basic human sentiment, and they rushed to dispose of the body," it added.

The United States has said it expects Pakistan will soon let it question the three widows. But the exact whereabouts of the bin Laden family has been unclear since the September 11, 2001 attacks.

Source: Yahoo News
 

awan4ever

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Ager itni he integrity thee tau Osama ko chaheaye tha khud ko kisi third party kay hawalay ker deta aur kehta chala lo trail. Why bother waiting for the US to show up and arrest him and all that?
Itna fasad khara he na hota aur na he lakhon log Afghanistan aur Pakistan mein maray jatay.
 

Raaz

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
In a statement given to the New York Times, the sons asked why their father "was not arrested and tried in a court of law so that the truth is revealed to the people of the world."

They r right..Who the hell is America to decide alone , who is to be killed and who is good..

Why not he was put in a trial , may be in international court....

How America could decide that what country should be attacked and ruined...killing millions of innocent citizen...

Someone should go to international court...
 

KhanHaripur

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Ager itni he integrity thee tau Osama ko chaheaye tha khud ko kisi third party kay hawalay ker deta aur kehta chala lo trail. Why bother waiting for the US to show up and arrest him and all that?
Itna fasad khara he na hota aur na he lakhon log Afghanistan aur Pakistan mein maray jatay.

Mullah Omer offered them a neutral investigation & its was the Americans who denied it
CNN/BBC/GEO ka ilawah bhi koi chez khud say search kar kiya karain bhai
 

Piyasa

Minister (2k+ posts)
Awam Bhai bilkul sahi kaha aap nay, Agar bin laden sahib ko itni fikar masum afghani aur pakistani logo ki hoti tu in ka khud ka khon aisay nahin behta.

[FONT=&quot]Aur Raaz sahibaap bhi yaar, meray bhai tu aap kay Usama jee kia karahay thay; mukhtalif mazhabi nazriyea kay zaryea aur jihad ki aar mein kafi logo aur beshtar naujawan nasal ko qatal-o-gharat kay kaam mein laga diyalagay raho meray musalman bhaiyon jannat bhi milay gi aur hoorein bhi milain gi! [/FONT]
 

crankthskunk

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Expert: bin Ladens DNA results are inconsistent

Selected paragraph of an article based on the comments made by a DNA test expert. I will summarise his findings in a nutshell.

1- DNA can be done in routine matters quickly.

2- But when comparing specific persons DNA for identification then more relatives samples available better for expediency, accuracy and probability for a match.

3- OBL sister was only his half sister. 99.9% match means something is done to the calculation.

4- Matching the DNA with one relative would have taken longer period of time. While USA said the match was done before his body is dispatched in the sea. It is quite a fast service, keeping in mind he was taken to Afghanistan, not a very advance country.

5- Then there is the question of how, when and where his sisters DNA was taken and how it was transmitted to Afghanistan so quickly?

Only partial article is posted.

Expert: bin Ladens DNA results are inconsistent

A Fort Worth DNA expert says that no results from DNA samples from Osama bin Ladens body after he was killed in a U.S. raid on his hideout in Pakistan have been disclosed by U.S. government officials and that any media reports about the DNA are inaccurate.

Bruce Budowle is a local DNA expert and professor in the University of North Texas Health Health Science Centers Department of Forensic and Investigative Genetics, and executive director of the Institute of Investigative Genetics.


Budowle made a splash last week when he was quoted in national media as an expert in DNA and he said bin Ladens DNA case has not been reported well.

Given what Ive seen so far, there have been some inconsistencies in whats been presented, and the reason for that is unknown at this time, he said last week during an interview with the Business Press

The DNA test results that were reported also were inconsistent values, he said.
Weve heard that its from his sister in Boston, thats one explanation, and someone else said he only has a half sister and not a full sister, yet they had a 99.99 percent certainty. That alone says there was something done to the calculations, he said.

If you have a sample from the individual from years before and it is a direct comparison, you can have a very, very high probability, like 99.9 percent. However, if you are comparing indirectly and do not have a sample from the individual but comparing to a relative, youre only getting partial information, so the power is reduced unless you have a lot of relatives, Budowle said

The more family members one has to compare to an individuals DNA, the better the result for identification.
Many speculate if officials do have a direct sample of DNA from bin Laden, or if they have an indirect sample of DNA from a family member to compare the results.
Thats where the problem comes in. Right now, anything is just speculation or at best misunderstood, he said.
Accuracy and probability are two large factors when comparing DNA results.
Probability is not accuracy, because something can be very accurate but the result may not give you a high probability for certainty for identity, he said.

http://www.timesleader.com/FwBp/rotator/Expert-bin-Ladens-DNA-results-are-inconsistent-.html
 

samar

Minister (2k+ posts)
Osama incident was used to transfer the war from Afghanistan into Pakistan

Get ready they are coming prepare yourselves for jihaad.

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for the last two days fighter jets are hovering over Abbottabad at night..................I had talked with one of my friend in Abbottabad and he says now at this time jets are roaring in air over Abbottabad.
 
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Bilal_Mushi

Minister (2k+ posts)
CIA received the tip on Bin Laden from prisoner Hassan Gul

CIA received the tip on Bin Laden from prisoner Hassan Gul

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US intelligence agency CIA received information about Obama from an Al-Qaeda facilitator Hassan Gul.


After interviewing more than a dozen officials of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and the White House, a foreign news agency Reuters, prepared a special report which claims that the CIA started following Bin Ladens messenger, Abu Ahmed Al-Kuwaiti after receiving a tip from a prisoner and Al-Qaeda facilitator Hassan Gul.

According to US officials, Hassan Gul was released by Pakistani officials in 2007 when he again joined the terrorist organization Al-Qaeda.
The report by Reuters quoted a former US official claiming that the decision not to inform Pakistan about the operation in Abbottabad was made by President Obama.
http://www.dunyanews.tv/index.php?key=Q2F0SUQ9MiNOaWQ9MjU5ODM=
 

gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
NA keyed up for hearing military`s version

The government did not react to opposition leader Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khans demand that 15 to 20 senior media persons be also invited to the briefing behind closed doors and report its proceedings

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ISLAMABAD: Two key debates went by the board as the National Assembly ended its spring session on Thursday before parliament is to secretly hear from the military on Friday on how Osama bin Laden lived in hiding in Abbottabad for an estimated five years and was killed in an undetected US commando raid.


The opposition demanded that questions and answers rather than briefing by top military officials take most of the unspecified time of the in-camera joint sitting of the two houses of parliament beginning at 3pm, and the government agreed to settle parameters of the exercise in a joint meeting of business advisory committees of the National Assembly and the Senate earlier on Friday.

But the government did not react to opposition leader Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khans demand that 15 to 20 senior media persons be also invited to the briefing behind closed doors and report its proceedings, before Acting Speaker Faisal Karim Kundi read out a presidential order proroguing the house without completing a debate on the May 2 killing of Al Qaeda chief and even taking up a scheduled debate on the prevailing energy crisis.

No explanation was immediately given for cutting short one debate and giving up the other, nor there was any objection raised by the opposition.

The session, which began on April 11, was adjourned on April 29 for nine days to prepare for the opposition-sought energy debate. But Osamas killing overshadowed the proceedings as the session resumed on Monday, when Prime MinisterYousuf Raza Gilani promised a military briefing to a joint sitting of parliament, which was subsequently called by President Asif Ali Zardari for Friday.

Chauadhry Nisar, who had told the house on Monday his PML-N party would not attend the briefing if most of it were not open to media reporting, did not repeat the threat on Thursday though he said it should not be an eyewash and that rather than long briefing (speeches by military officials), more time should be taken by questions and answers.
There was also no echo in the house of Wednesdays three-day deadline given by PML-N leader Nawaz Sharif to the government to constitute a judicial commission headed by the chief justice of the supreme court and including chief justices of high courts to probe the Abbottabad episode.

Despite an apparently confrontational stance taken by the PML-N on the issue, the house presented a congenial atmosphere marked by the unanimous passage of a government bill seeking to create an autonomous National Vocational and Technical Training Commission after the Minister in charge for Cabinet Secretariat, Syed Naveed Qamar, agreed to amendments proposed by PML-Ns Zahid Hamid to substitute or omit some words so the draft conformed to the devolution of the subject of education to provinces under the Eighteenth Amendment.

When the prime minister briefly came to the house at the fag end of the proceedings after chairing a meeting of the Cabinet Committee on Defence, several PML-N members went to his desk to get some papers signed, and an opposition member from the party-less Federally Administered Tribal Areas, Mohammad Kamran Khan, who shouted insults at Interior Minister Rehman during Mondays turmoil over the Osama episode, too slipped to a nearby seat for some unknown business and was seen being patted by the same minister.
 

FaisalLatif

Councller (250+ posts)
Bin Laden: Exposing Pakistan's paradoxes - Aljazeera News

(This article at Aljazeera English news network shows how isolated Pakistan has become internationally.)

Killing of al-Qaeda leader puts focus on state's delicately balanced contradictions and strategic ambiguity.

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Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden was killed during a US raid on May 2 in a middle-class neighbourhood of Abbottabad, a military garrison town [GALLO/GETTY]

It had to be Abbottabad.

That is to say, while it is unsurprising to a degree that Osama bin Laden, al-Qaeda's leader and the most wanted man in the world, was found in Pakistan, it is particularly telling that when he was eventually tracked down (and killed), it was not to a cave in a remote tribal agency, but a fortified compound - not two kilometres from Pakistan's military academy, in the heart of a city that is home to three regimental headquarters of the Pakistani army.

The location of bin Laden's hideout - "in plain sight" as Yousuf Raza Gilani, the Pakistani prime minister, has put it - seems to indicate that members of Pakistan's intelligence services were either on some level complicit in harbouring the al-Qaeda leader, or were wholly incompetent in tracking his whereabouts.

Or, perhaps more likely, it was both. Depending on who you ask, sections of the Pakistani intelligence establishment were likely complicit in harbouring bin Laden, while others were incompetent in tracking him down as per stated government policy. Others, including the Pakistani government, have simply chalked it up to a "global intelligence failure". Either way, it is damning reading.

The US made its position on the perceived divisions in Pakistan's Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) clear when Leon Panetta, the director of the Central Intelligence Agency, said that intelligence on the operation to take out bin Laden was not shared with Pakistan out of fear that it would "jeopardise the mission".

"They might alert the targets," he said, of a country that is avowedly the US' most important ally in the region.

Barack Obama, the US president, stated on the US television show 60 Minutes that it was clear that bin Laden had "some sort of support network inside Pakistan", though he stopped short of saying that the Pakistani state was complicit in this network. Tom Donilon, the US president's national security adviser, later went on NBC's Meet The Press to say that he had "not seen any evidence that would tell us that the political, the military or the intelligence leadership had foreknowledge of bin Laden".

Nevertheless, when push came to shove, the US chose to act unilaterally, and in his speech to announce bin Laden's death, Obama made only the slightest allusion to "intelligence cooperation" with Pakistan. In the following days, several prominent US lawmakers, including the head of the Senate Armed Services Committee, strongly questioned whether the Pakistani state, in one form or another, was involved in harbouring the al-Qaeda leader.

There is then, it would appear, a distinct trust deficit for the US when it comes to the reliability of Pakistan's intelligence establishment.

Navigating the morass

That deficit notwithstanding, there is another narrative at play: that the ISI served up bin Laden to the United States.

"I find it quite unbelievable that in a place like Abbottabad that Osama could turn up without the ISI knowing that he was there," Shaukat Qadir, a defence analyst and retired Brigadier in the Pakistani army, told Al Jazeera.

Qadir points out that the house that bin Laden was killed in, in the Bilal Town area of the city, had previously been raided when the ISI had information that Abu Faraj al-Libi, a senior al-Qaeda operative, was staying there in 2003.

"Somebody would have been keeping an eye on this place," he said.

"The conclusion I come to is that he came [to Abbottabad] because he was lured in, and this whole thing is a case of entrapment [and] it could not have happened without the ISI being involved," Qadir proposes. He also points to the fact that the unnamed "trusted courier" who the US authorities say led them to bin Laden appears to have disappeared - neither the US or Pakistan say that they have him - as proof that bin Laden had been "set up".

"The agencies most probably knew, and by implication were complicit," Imtiaz Gul, the head of the Islamabad-based Centre for Research and Security Studies, told Al Jazeera. "Most probably they weighed various options and eventually decided to get rid of him, most probably for a quid pro quo: a greater role in post-phased US withdrawal in Afghanistan, and redressal of Pakistani apprehensions on the Indian presence in that country."

Several other Pakistani defence analysts, including Ayesha Siddiqa, the author of a book examining the Pakistani military, and Talat Masood, a retired Lieutenant-General in the Pakistani army, have also opined that it seems impossible that authorities on some level did not know that bin Laden was present in Abbottabad.
Indeed, this is about the only thing that analysts can seem to agree on: that someone, somewhere in Pakistan's intelligence establishment knew where bin Laden was. From there, however, the story grows murkier. While some, like Brig (retd) Qadir and Gul, believe that the ISI did the grunt work in tracking down bin Laden and delivering him, others such as Haroun Mir, the deputy director of the Afghanistan Centre for Research and Policy Studies in Kabul, say the intelligence authorities were entirely unaware of the operation to capture or kill the al-Qaeda leader.

"Based on the reaction of the Pakistanis, [I think] they were totally in the dark. They were certainly complicit by providing sanctuary for al-Qaeda members and Osama bin Laden himself," he said, questioning why Pakistan's intelligence services were not able to investigate the house where bin Laden had reportedly been living for years, when "even neighbours were suspicious of the people who were living in the compound".

Besides, Mir says that the ISI was unlikely to deliver bin Laden in a military garrison town: "If the Pakistanis wanted to get rid of Osama bin Laden, it would have been preferable for them that he be killed in a cave or a mountain near the Afghan border now that he is killed in the heart of Pakistan, this is certainly a big blow."

Haider Mullick, a Fellow at both the US Joint Special Operations University and the Institute of Social Policy and Understanding, suggests that there may be a middle path through the morass: "I suspect it's a little bit of both [complicity and incompetence]."

Mullick suggests bin Laden was harboured by former ISI operatives who had been recruited by al-Qaeda in the wake of purges in the agency in 2001 and 2002. In that clean-up, personnel who were deemed to be sympathetic to militant groups that were then being abandoned by the state were removed from service.
"That's a very important kind of network that the serving ISI does not have a lot of control over," Mullick told Al Jazeera.

Moreover, there are several directorates within the ISI, with some still involved in fomenting insurgency in Kashmir, he said, and that leaves room for various linkages between what the state considers to be "good" and "bad" groups.
Mullick suggests that an "ISI alumni network" has been actively involved in al-Qaeda attacks against the Pakistani state, while the upper echelons of the intelligence establishment remained unaware of Osama bin Laden's whereabouts.
This would allow for the ISI to provide indirect intelligence support for the operation over recent months, as US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and others have suggested, even as "rogue elements" may have actively harboured bin Laden.

Strategic calculus at odds

Regardless of which it is - incompetence or complicity - the United States is likely to grow even more wary of Pakistan's commitment to the strategic partnership between the two countries. Indeed, it would appear the strategic calculus of both countries is directly at odds. The United States has, over the past year, instituted a "surge" meant to weaken the Taliban in order to pursue a negotiated settlement to the war in Afghanistan, while Pakistan has been focusing only on fighting those groups who are involved in attacks on the Pakistani state.

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The country draws a distinction between the Afghan Taliban and the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), a group that has operated from South Waziristan Agency - until it was pushed out by a military operation that began in 2009 - and now has based itself in Orakzai Agency. It also has not committed to the elimination of groups focused on fighting the Indian state in Kashmir, including Jaish-e-Muhammad and Lashkar-e-Taiba.

The diverging objectives crystallise themselves in the Pakistani army's refusal to carry out an operation in North Waziristan, where the US says Taliban fighters and members of the Haqqani group have been finding refuge. The Pakistani army, however, is more interested in pursuing the TTP in Orakzai Agency, saying that it is attempting to outflank it by establishing a peace accord in Kurram Agency - a peace accord that Brig (retd) Qadir says that the Haqqani group has been helping to enforce. (That claim has been disputed by analysts on the ground in Kurram, however.)

Will the bin Laden episode put the US in a position to leverage for more Pakistani ground operations against targets the US wants addressed, or will it instead attempt to continue its current policy of encouraging such operations while not pushing too hard, in an attempt to keep Pakistan on-side for its help in reaching a negotiated Afghan settlement?

Again, a bit of both.

Christine Fair, an assistant professor at the Centre for Peace and Security Studies at Georgetown University, told Al Jazeera's Inside Story that, with a "creeping exasperation in [the US] Congress" regarding Pakistan's policies, the US is likely going to push for more pro-active policies.

"They certainly had a big 'I got you' moment when it came with Raymond Davis - this is a much bigger 'I got you' moment. And I think it is going to give the Americans much more leeway to prosecute their interests, with ever less input and support from the Pakistanis," she said.

"I think the Americans are certainly going to be much more galvanised to go it alone and [...] the Pakistanis are going to have to pretty much deal with this, because this is a pretty big failure on their part."

Nevertheless, Fair says there is also a "concerted effort to sort of salvage Pakistan".

"You've had Secretary Clinton say that Pakistan was very much a part of the operation, and so this signals to me that no matter what whether it's just ineptitude or complicity, the US does not have an interest in having a significant rupture in the relationship with Pakistan. And I think that's actually very important to note. It also should let the Pakistanis know that no matter what goes down, the Americans are going to be too afraid to let you completely unravel."

Mullick, the Washington-based analyst, agrees that the US is likely to "muddle through", criticising Pakistani policies while remaining within certain "red lines", afraid of the consequences of creating an unstable nuclear-armed country that adopts an overtly anti-US stance.

Pakistan, it would seem, is one of the few countries that can get more out of its international partners by pointing a gun to its own head.

"There will be no policy review," Mullick says, "but there will be policy adjustments, to calm down the US Congress and taxpayer."

Qadir, the retired Brigadier, agrees that the US will continue to attempt to pressure Pakistan through the military and civilian aid that it provides the country, but that "it's a question of who will outlast who".

"This pressure tactic [on a North Waziristan operation] is always a bit of a double-bluff game. We know that they need us. They know that we know that they need us."

Mullick, however, believes that, if Pakistan refuses to engage the Haqqani group in North Waziristan, the US may press the country to declare its incompetence in dealing with militancy, using the bin Laden episode as proof, and use this as justification for putting US boots on the ground in that area.

A fine balance

The picture that emerges from the apparent chaos is that of a country of carefully balanced contradictions.

The ISI, for example, has for decades carefully cultivated an air of omnipotence - and yet on cases such as the bin Laden episode, it pleads that it had no foreknowledge of his whereabouts.

Omnipotent, then, but selectively failure-prone, too.

The state makes distinctions between militant groups based on their targets, but not necessarily on their ideology. Groups such as Jaish-e-Muhammad, for example, are organisationally distinct from the Taliban and are cultivated for their role in Kashmir - but Maulana Masood Azhar, the group's leader, has from the group's inception advocated jihad against all those perceived to be the enemies of Islam, particularly the United States.

The distinctions do not end there. The country's strategic calculus demands that it also make distinctions between groups fighting the US-led coalition in Afghanistan, treating the Haqqani network and the Afghan Taliban - who say they do not consider the Pakistan state an enemy - as strategic assets.

In any Afghan endgame, Mullick says that Pakistan would look for the Haqqani group and the Quetta Shura to control Afghanistan's border regions, providing Pakistan what the state terms "strategic depth", in case of conflict with India.
From Kabul, this approach seems self-defeating."You cannot make distinctions between the Afghan and Pakistani Taliban, [they have the] same system, same madrassas and same propaganda, and I think [the Pakistani military is] making a huge mistake [thinking] that they could control the Afghan Taliban while eliminating their own Taliban," says Mir, the Kabul-based analyst.

"Now they want to use fire to extinguish fire, which will never work ultimately the ideology of both Talibans is the same, only their objectives differ."
Fair, the DC-based professor, agrees that it is Pakistan's support for certain militant groups that has landed it in this situation, where there is no clear line on militancy - as a result of state policies which use such groups as tools of its foreign policy.

"This is Pakistan reaping the whirlwind of decades of dangerous policies," she said.
And quite a whirlwind it has been: according to the Pakistani government, 30,000 Pakistani civilians have died since 2001 in attacks related to the war against terrorism. Moreover, since 2007, al-Qaeda declared the Pakistan state its primary enemy.

Nevertheless, Pakistan's populace remains fiercely anti-American, and, in the absence of a uniting narrative on militancy, often supportive of militant groups who espouse their political sentiments vis a vis the US.

It is thus that you have a country that, since 2001, is both terrorism's biggest victim, and sections of which are apparently also complicit in the continued existence of terrorism in the region.

In a 2010 study on public support for militancy in Pakistan, Fair and Jacob Shapiro, an assistant professor of politics and public affairs at Princeton, showed that Pakistanis tend to support militant groups not because of their religiosity, poverty or lack of education, but because of the political causes that such groups espouse. Indeed, the study showed there was significant evidence to suggest that Pakistanis differentiated between groups in much the same way as their government does: based on their political objectives.

It is thus that you have a government whose statements after the raid have tended to suggest that, while the war against terrorism is owned by Pakistanis, this war is different from the US war. Asif Zardari, the country's president, in an op-ed published in the Washington Post on May 3, argues that "Pakistan did its part" in getting Osama bin Laden, and seeks to draw a line under the whole affair. He did not address the matter in the domestic press.

Prime minister Gilani, meanwhile, in a speech to parliament on May 9, appeared to condemn the United States as much as he did terrorism - and while he tempered his rhetoric by saying that Pakistan's relations with the US are based on "mutual interests" as well as "trust" and "respect", Pakistani analysts rejected the speech as doing little to speak to the underlying contradictory narratives that Pakistanis battle with.

And that, ultimately, remains the real story for Pakistan: a country in the delicate balance of apparent paradoxes, which successive governments continually leave unaddressed.
 

Abdali

Senator (1k+ posts)
Bin Laden out, Gaddafi next,Zardari,Gaylani..

By Pepe Escobar

May 12, 2011 "
Asia Times" -- Let's start by invoking a Western cultural icon, Dante; "Abandon all hope ye who enter here" - because international law as we know it has just been delivered a stake through its heart. The "new" sociopolitical Darwinism entails humanitarian neo-colonialism, targeted assassinations - extrajudicial executions - and drone wars, all carried out in the name of a revamped white man's burden.

In the whirlwind of lies and hypocrisy engulfing the Osama bin Laden hit job, the key justice-related fact is how an unarmed man, codename "Geronimo", was captured live then summarily executed in front of one of his daughters - after a lightning-quick invasion of a theoretically "sovereign" country.

As for the quagmire war waged by the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) against Libya, the fact is that Western public opinion was fed a military attack against a sovereign country that has committed no violation of the United Nations charter. Talk about a wolf - neo-colonialism - in sheep's clothing - "humanitarian war".

At the heart of the matter is the concept itself of international law - adopted by all "civilized" nations, as well as what constitutes a just war. Yet for Western ruling elites this is just a detail; there has been no high-level debate on the implications of an United Nations-justified NATO war whose ultimate - and always unstated - objective is regime change.

Tomahawk Darwinism
The dirty operation in northern Africa reveals itself to be even nastier when it has been proved that the war on Libya was initially conceptualized by dubious French interests; that Saudi Arabia delivered a fake Arab League vote for the US because it wanted to get rid of Muammar Gaddafi and at the same time have a free hand in smashing pro-democracy protests in Bahrain; that Libya offers the perfect possibility for the Pentagon's Africom to have an African base; that a dodgy bunch of "rebels" hijacked legitimate protests, with Gaddafi defectors, al-Qaeda-linked jihadis and exiles such as Central Intelligence Agency asset General Khalifa Hifter, who had lived for nearly 20 years in Virginia, taking over.

The going got even nastier when one learned that on March 19 the Washington/London/Paris financial elites authorized the Central Bank of Benghazi to have its own - Western dictated - monetary policy, unlike the state-owned, and fully independent, Libyan national bank in Tripoli; Gaddafi wanted to get rid of both the US dollar and the euro and switch to the gold dinar as an African common currency - and many governments were already on board.

The war on Libya has been globally sold under the slogan R2P - Responsibility to Protect - a "new" humanitarian imperialist concept that in Washington was brandished with relish by three Amazon cheerleaders; US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, US ambassador to the UN Susan Rice and presidential adviser Samantha Power.

Large swathes of the developing world - the real "international community", not that fiction in the pages of Western mainstream media - saw it for what it is; the end of the concept of national sovereignty, as in a clever "reframing" completely blurring the original Article 2, Section 1 of the UN Charter principle of sovereign equality of states.

They saw that the "deciders" on R2P were exclusively Washington and a bunch of European capitals. They saw that Libya was slapped with NATO bombing - but not Bahrain, Yemen or Syria. They saw the "deciders" made no effort whatsoever to negotiate a ceasefire inside Libya - ignoring plans by Turkey and the African Union (AU).

And power players Moscow and Beijing of course could not fail to see that R2P could be invoked in the case of unrest in Tibet and Xinjiang - and the next step would be NATO troops inside Chinese territory. Same to what concerns Chechnya - with the additional Western hypocritical factor that Chechens have for years been armed by NATO via al-Qaeda-linked networks in the Caucasus/Central Asia.

Even South American players could not fail to see R2P invoked in the long run for a "humanitarian" NATO intervention in Venezuela or Bolivia.

So this is the new meaning of "international law": Washington - via Africom or NATO - intervenes anyway, with or without a UN Security Council resolution, in the name of R2P, and everyone keeps silent on collateral damage, on bombing a regime while denying the objective is regime change, on not helping boatloads of refugees stranded in the Mediterranean.

As for why Gaddafi gets the boot while the al-Khalifas in Bahrain, Saleh in Yemen and Bashar al-Assad in Syria get away with it - that's simple; you're not an evil dictator if you're one of "our" ******** - that is, play by "our" rules. The destiny of "independents" such as Gaddafi is to become toast. It helps if you already have a key US military base in your country - as with the al-Khalifas and the US 5th Fleet.

If the al-Khalifas were not US lackeys and there was no US military base, Washington would have no problems selling an intervention in favor of the peaceful, largely Shi'ite pro-democracy protesters against a ghastly Sunni tyranny which needs the House of Saud to repress its own people.

Then there are the legalese aspects. Imagine putting Gaddafi on trial. Martial court or civil court? A kangaroo court - a la Saddam Hussein or offering him all the "civilized" means to defend himself? And how to prosecute crimes against humanity beyond reasonable doubt? How to use testimonies obtained under torture, sorry, "enhanced interrogation"? And for how long? Years? How many witnesses? Thousands?

It's much easier to solve it all with a Tomahawk - or a bullet in the head - and then call it "justice".

 

QaiserMirza

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
In Bidding Farewell to Osama bin Laden

In Bidding Farewell to Osama bin Laden




IN the Op Ed page in the New York Times of May 4, 2011, Robert Klitzman, a psychiatrist, who lost his sister on 9/11, writes:When the members of Al-Qaeda attacked on 9/11, Americans wondered, Why do they hate us so much? Many here believe they dislike us for our freedom, but I think otherwise.

There are lessons we have not learned. I feel Karen (his deceased sister) would share my concerns that underlying forces of greed and hate persevere. American imperialism, corporate avarice, abuses of our power abroad and our historical support of corrupt dictators like Hosni Mubarak have created an abhorrence of us that, unfortunately, persists. We need to recognize how the rest of the world sees us, and figure out how to change that. Until we do that, more Osama bin Ladens will arise, and more innocent people like my sister will die.

The question: Why do they hate us? was being asked on 9/11 and immediately thereafter but it is no longer being asked. Those powerful people, whose interests lied in keeping the Americans uninformed, moved swiftly and erased the question. They couldnt care less about those who died on 9/11, nor hundreds of thousands who died thereafter as a result of unjust military actions on the part of the American administrations. Their interests, as Robert Klitzman has pointed out outweighed anything and everything, including world peace. In fact, 9/11 was a global event, which unleashed the dark forces of destruction, born of self-interests, unmitigated hatred and avarice.

Osama bin Laden is dead but his death, as has been reported, is only a footnote in the Arab countries. In fact Osama bin Laden had been dead for all practical purposes, ever since he left Tora Bora but the war has continued and is likely to continue until questions have been asked and answered. Innocent people will continue to be killed: American GIs in their twenties and teenagers from Afghanistan and Pakistan. The only thing that will survive will be ignorance and those, who nurture ignorance.

9/11 was a reprehensible act. The Muslims of America condemned it most vehemently, in the street and from the pulpits of masjids. No people has suffered as severely, as a result, as the Muslims of America, whose wellbeing has been in jeopardy ever since. The perpetrators of that act must be brought to justice, as some have been. However, Osama bin Ladens assassination, in the manner that it has been carried out, poses some serious questions. His guilt has not been proven and he stands to assume martyrdom and even sainthood in the minds of many people. Statements given immediately after the operation contained deliberate falsehood. It was said that a Muslims corpse must be buried according to the Shariah within twenty four hours and was thus slid into the sea! This is not a thoughtful excuse. Since when has Pentagon assumed the authority of Islamic jurists? By hastily disposing of the remnants of the deceased, what was the Pentagon hiding? Time and again the present president of the United States has shown that he has no regard for the international law and has tried to prove that he is more macho that a Texan.

Now for Pakistan: Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are ending. Conditions are being created to start another war, this time in Pakistan. Osama bin Laden hiding under the noses of the Pakistani military elite is incredible for Americans but not for us, who are familiar with the peculiarities of the Pakistani society. Choosing a place to hide, where he hid, indicates the genius of this man. The generals were not likely to search for him in their courtyard. Their search began away from their homes. The ISI is embarrassed but the Pakistanis are amused. A folklore has begun. Besides, the Pakistani law enforcement and crime investigation agencies are seemingly the most incompetent in the world. From 1948 up till now not a single political assassin has been caught.

The White House, the Capitol Hill and the Pentagon must think twice before doing anything to destabilize Pakistan any more than they have already done. It will explode with a vehemence, which will shake the world. It is a country of 180 million people, with 100+ nuclear weapons complete with delivery systems, with a military, which does not like civilian control. The civilian government is controlled by one of the darkest forces in history. Corruption is its pride rather than an impediment. The best we can do for Pakistan is to stop the aid, which we are giving. The people of Pakistan do not want this aid to continue, only the corrupt do. Leave Pakistan alone. It will not only survive but prosper and flourish.


Posted by Editor TheMuslim.ca on May 8th, 2011


By WAHEEDUDDIN AHMED







 

softlink

Citizen
Re: Usama Bin Laden still a head ache for USA?

Never believe on this bull **** news paper called ummat. They survive on lies and decit. Better avoid reading this because the reader will get misled. Ummat's only agenda is the malign Pak army, MQM, PPP and Qaaf leage. This news paper is run by munafiq jamati remants. Its editor rafeeq afghan killed his father in law called Salahudding and blamed it on Mqm and police tortured and killed one Mqm guy called jugnu.
 

zeshaan

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Re: Bin Laden out, Gaddafi next,Zardari,Gaylani..

Why wait sooooo long,should b. s..n,to save our country.
 
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crankthskunk

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
fake to real OBL

Americans issued 4 videos of OBL showing him rehearsing. Those were fake videos, using a double.

Fact is until now we have not seen anything linking OBL with the compound. Apart from conflicting and contradicting statements and details of the operation.

First we heard, live coverage, when the video demanded, the story leaked for 20/30 minutes it was a complete blackout, no pictures or video of actual raid.

Now after denying, a new story, all 25 seals helmets mounted cameras recorded the last minutes of OBL who after seeing the seal went back to his room, seal who entered first in the room secured OBL daughter away from him, then the lady either jumped at the seals or OBL pushed her towards the seals, spreading the message OBL was a coward. One seal shot him in the chest and the other one in the head.

Consider this, in the last version, they drag him out of the room and then shot him in the head according to his daughter.

Our Chaudry Nisar on the other hand said, OBL is captured alive and was injured in his leg.

The reason, why Americans portrayed they have taken OBL and the evidence from the compound is to discard any possibility of anyone else showing something from the compound or evidence of OBL.

They have the advantage to release whatever material they want in the guise it was recovered from the Compound of OBL.

Now they claim there was stack of Pornography recovered by the seals from the compound.

The propaganda machinery is in full swing, first there was OBL will to show he wanted his sons not to follow in his footsteps and now this ultimate insult. Expect more planted stories with every passing day.

Here is a gif showing the reality of the 4 videos released recently after his alleged death. We already know according to the locals the man watching the TV was Akbar Khan in his house.


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