should shia muslims leave pakistan?

[PAINDO]

کس سے انصاف چاہیں ملک کی باگ دوڑ ایک شیعہ کے ہاتھ ہی میں ہے

 

[BoneBasher]

کس سے انصاف چاہیں ملک کی باگ دوڑ ایک شیعہ کے ہاتھ ہی میں ہے

Ibless bhi shia ya sunni huakarte hein?

 

[insafandjust]

These all are due to PPP govt.majority of shias have given vote to ppp.This time if any pakistani want peace in pakistan.They should not cast vote on race or religion but to a very good person and party.

 

[zsheikh]

killing is never a solution. I also disagree with shia ideology but still I consider them muslims and i have shia muslim friend.

 

[gotti]

please dont talk about killing and stuff here....and may ur friends soulnrest in peace.

but really, if the majority of pak thinks we dont belomg here then we should pack our bags and bounce.

i will vote for imran khan if my id is not asked for in a bus before the elections, but if this genocide continues, where does this leave a minority of more than 50mn people?

Pakistan is your country, no one has the right to tell you to leave. Sunnis leave the country because of persecution based on injustices in the system and lack of employment. If those are your reasons, then by all means. Bahar US embassy kay kitni lines hain...aur europe bhi kitnay jaa rahay hain...

if you go like that, then fine...otherwise, just because shia's are being killed, then I will definitely disagree with you on the premise that this is not your country because it is...

With that said, the killing of sunnis today, I don't know if they are terrorists or part of a group or not, should be condemned...

the point is that no one has the right to be judge, jury and executioner...

This is a sectarian war being imported by those who are either blind with extremist obsession with their relative sects or have completely lost interest in Pakistan as a nation...they would rather have it engulfed into the gulf (bad pun, I know) or Iran

You must stay and prove that inter-sect harmony, the backbone of this nation is still intact...

I also appreciate you condemning that blood-thirsty war-monger...people like us can help make things better...we just need to be heard...

Yours Truly,

Mother Teresa...

P.S. Even America lights up the Empire State building for Eid...just a few meters away from ground zero...

They had the understanding of not judging an entire faith by a few of it's followers...

I have that understanding too, I won't judge Shi'a by that individual who is posting hateful comments and pretending to have friends in Quetta (for whom I wish a peaceful rest)

I hope you and the likes of you feel the same way and help promote social cohesiveness

 

[insafandjust]

U will vote for imran khan ?? i had a same mind 2-3 months back, but he is now with ppl who r calling Mullah umer ameerulmomineen to allow him and visit waziristan. no one can change the situation for shias in pak, ppl who killed 23 ppl yesterday, r blue eyed and good talban a/c to our pak army.

Imran is not calling mullah umer ameer ul momin nor imran will endorse sheikh rasheed agenda .going to waziristan do not mean that imran is going for 5000 TTP millitants but there are poor wazir and mehsood tribals who are killed daily by drones and by millitants.they are as much innocent as shias and other pakistanis

 

[gotti]

پاکستان میں شیعوں کو اسی طرح زندگی گزارنے کا حق ملنا چاہیے جس طرح کے حقوق ایران میں سنی مسلمانوں کو ہیں

پاکستان میں شیعوں کو اسی طرح زندگی گزارنے کا حق ملنا چاہیے جس طرح کے حقوق ایران میں سنی مسلمانوں کو ہیں

[MENTION=22657]lafatah[/MENTION]

In sahab ki baat is had tak theek hai kay iran jahan utnay hi sunni bastay hain jitnay Pakistan main shi'a...wahan sunni musalmanon ko koi bhi haquq nahi fraham...iraq aur janoobi lubnaan main bhi yeh hi haal hai...syria ka to aapko pata hi hai...

uskay khilaaf agar aap muzammat hi kerdain to aapki image behtar hogi...warna log aapko shak ki nigaah say hi dekhte rahaingay...

aap bura mat maniye ga laikin mujhe yaqeen hai kay aap is baat say to ittefaq kertay hongay kay aksariyat awam ko jo nazar aata hai...woh hi boltay hain...

ab unhain tv main yeh dikhaya ja raha hai kay shia sunnion ko maar rahay hain middle east main jaise kay syria...

phir jab aap shia ho ker support kertay hain unhi logon ko to phir kharab image banti hai...

haan, aapka iraan say koi taaluq nahi siwaye iskay kay aapka mazhabi rishta hai...laikin aap kyun nahi usko bhi condemn kertay...

wahan zyada zulm hai musalmaan bhaiyyon kay saath...

yahan to saari top positions per shia bethay hain...saddar, abidi aur zulfiqar mirza tv per publicly aa kay shiyyat ki baat kertay hain aur musalmaano kay aik tabqay ko gaalian daytay hain jis say aksariyat musalmaan ko mahsus hota hai kay mazhab ki wajah say unhain target kiya ja raha hai aur woh ghabratay hain

iran main to aap kehtay hain kay humain wahabbi say dushmani hai...sunni say nahi...jis tarah aap kehtay hain kay humain zionist say dushmani hai...yahudi say nahi...

isi tarah humain lagta hai kay woh asal main sunniyon kay dushman hain...jis tarah humain pata hai kay asal dushmani yahudion say hay...zionist ko akela kerna aik bahana hai takay log na kahain kay aap taasub kertay hain...

to jinaab...zara iss baat per bhi nazar dorain takay logon ko andaaza ho kay aapka koi agenda nahi...aap aik aam aadmi hai jo sirf sakun ki aur khushi ki zindagi guzaarna chahta hai

P.S. main waaqif hun aapkay logon ki mukhtalif aara say aur main un doston say bhi agaah hun jo ahmadinejad ko nahi chahtay aur intehapasandi kay khilaaf hain iraq waali...to isi liye aapse zikar kar raha hun...umeed hai kay aap meri baat samajh gaye hongay aur koi gustaakhi (agar hui) to maaf kerdaingay

 

[hans]

Try explaining your logic to Taliban.

Allah apko himmat de aur hifazat mein rakhay...but why label urself shia/sunni....why not "Muslim"

 

[gotti]

waisay in sab kasehra humari govt aur secuity agencies ko jata hai...jo sirf curoption aur DHA kay ilawa kisi say sarokar nahi hai

meri aapse yeh hi guzaarish hogi kay condemn zarur kijiye ga...

takay yeh na lagay kay aap firqawarana fasadaat shuro kerna chah rahay hain aisi baatein kerkay...

kay "hum mulk chor daingay"..."sara qasur fauj ka hai"... "jinnah kay fiqay waalon ki qadr hi nahi tumhain..."...

main aapke jazbaat samjhta hun kay aapke azeezon ko maut kay ghaat utaara ja raha hai...aur aap takleef main hain...

yaqeenan hum bhi takleef main hai kyunkay woh humaray jaafari bhai pakistani hain aur baluchi hain...

aap bhi yaqeenan yeh hi jazbaat rakhtay hongay iraq, syria aur iran kay baluchistan main basnay walay hanafi bhaion kay baray main...

 

[UKPakistani]

I do not want to get involved in this "debate".

My heartfelt condolences to the @TS

It is painful for ALL patriotic Pakistanis that such ignorance prevails

My message is in this pic

 

[KHALIFA.]

please dont talk about killing and stuff here....and may ur friends soulnrest in peace.

but really, if the majority of pak thinks we dont belomg here then we should pack our bags and bounce.

i will vote for imran khan if my id is not asked for in a bus before the elections, but if this genocide continues, where does this leave a minority of more than 50mn people?

bhai, yahan sunni bhi to mar rahay hain, iska matlab hum sunni bhi yahan say migrate kr jain..?

 

[waqas.shafiq]

نہ سنی، نہ شیعہ، نہ وہابی، نہ عصائ، نہ ہندو، نہ سکھ، نہ پی پی نہ نون، نہ انصافی، نہ جماعتی،
صرف پاکستانی، اور پاکستان ہمارا ملک ہے، خون ہے، یہ وطن ماں ہے ہماری، کیوں چھوڑ کے جائیں؟ اور کہاں جائیں؟

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[JusticeLover]

Ya Allah takafreeon ko tabah o barbad kar day.

Ya Allah in kay sath wasa hi slok kar aur azab day jasa to nay ZIA mardod kay sath kya.

 

[Gladiator]

I guess Shia muslim should start keeping weapons with them, so that they can defend themselves, If govt has failed to give protection. And I am so surprised, that people who were kafir themselves few generations ago, now publish fatwas on other people that they are kafir. Shame on all those people....

I really appreciate majority of Pakistani people, who think that religion is personal thing. everyone is answerable to Allah not to people. So let's live and let others live freely for heaven sake....

 

[UKPakistani]

@lafatah

In sahab ki baat is had tak theek hai kay iran jahan utnay hi sunni bastay hain jitnay Pakistan main shi'a...

Bhai Sahib aap ki sari post mehnay parh li magar aap siraf itna bata thay kay yeh saach lika heh aap nay ?

Iran is about 75 Million, Pakistan 180 million

Iran is 92% Shia Pakistan Approx 25%

7 Million Sunni in Iran, About 40 million Shia in Pakistan

Please show me evidence of people being taken off buses and shot because their name was unacceptable in Iran. Not once, but again and again. Then show me evidence that the State turned a blind eye to it. Then show me evidence that the State did NOTHING to prevent it happening again.

When you start your whole argument on a false premise, the rest is not worth reading.

Whatever point it is you are trying to make, is coming out in your reference to Zionists and Jews. There are Jews who hate and condemn Israel and apologise for it daily.

Yet you would treat them the same as Zionists who are the complete opposite. That to me is ignorance of the highest sort

There is a huge difference, but by saying there is NONE, is your version, in the same way as you express your views about Iran and the Shia Community

 

[romeojuliet]

There is no difference between Shia and Sunni Muslims. Anybody who tries to highlight differences is only enemy of Islam and humanity.

 

[romeojuliet]

نہ سنی، نہ شیعہ، نہ وہابی، نہ عصائ، نہ ہندو، نہ سکھ، نہ پی پی نہ نون، نہ انصافی، نہ جماعتی،
صرف پاکستانی، اور پاکستان ہمارا ملک ہے، خون ہے، یہ وطن ماں ہے ہماری، کیوں چھوڑ کے جائیں؟ اور کہاں جائیں؟

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Yes, this is the only spirit with which we should look forward to future of our country.

 

[Babatank]

jab tak app loog imam mahdi aur messia(as) ko accept kar kay ussi ki jamaat main shamouliyyat nhein kartay tabb tak apne aap ko is azaab main hi pao gai!!!

 

[gotti]

Bhai Sahib aap ki sari post mehnay parh li magar aap siraf itna bata thay kay yeh saach lika heh aap nay ?

Iran is about 75 Million, Pakistan 180 million

Iran is 92% Shia Pakistan Approx 25%

7 Million Sunni in Iran, About 40 million Shia in Pakistan

Please show me evidence of people being taken off buses and shot because their name was unacceptable in Iran. Not once, but again and again. Then show me evidence that the State turned a blind eye to it. Then show me evidence that the State did NOTHING to prevent it happening again.

When you start your whole argument on a false premise, the rest is not worth reading.

Whatever point it is you are trying to make, is coming out in your referece to Zionists and Jews. There are jews who hate and condemn Israel and apologise for it daily. Yet you would treat them the same as Zionists who are the complete opposite. That to me is ignorance of the highest sort

There is a huge difference, but by saying there is NONE, is your version, in the same way as you express your views about Iran and the Shia Community

The premise was inaccurate, yet you read it anyway, which is why you mentioned the Zionists vs. Jews example.

Those Jews are Naturei Karta and they are a minority within a minority. Those other ones who you are referring to do not believe that Israel does not have the right to exist except for the aforementioned sect, that too because they believe they have to wait for their "messiah" before it can exist.

Whereas you believe the exact opposite. Are you of the opinion that Israel has the right to exist under any circumstance? No! So it's better that you don't play that "Jews agree with us, too" card because it doesn't work here

Iran has 90% Shi'a, Pakistan has 25%, that makes a difference in the point that I am trying to make?

You are killing your foes every opportunity that you get and you are trying to tell us to support you in a war that you have created with them?

I am not going to back down and be pushed into a corner for choosing to not pick sides in a sectarian cold war being promoted by overzealous, bigoted individuals such as yourself.

I will not allow myself to be presented as indifferent and cold-hearted for not, over-zealously condemning the deaths of one group of individuals and not doing the same for others no matter how bad their PR or image is compared to yours.

Just today in dawn, the pictures of the Sunni "extremists" were shown and an entire blog was written against the Shi'a killings.

We don't know if they were extremists or not. You can't be judge, jury or executioner. Is this the law you want to promote?

Eye for an Eye?...The people that were killed were the same who took people off the bus?

Is this how justice works? If so and if you are in agreement with this and are cursing me for disagreeing with you then nothing can stop civil war because the entire country will have to pick a side or else they will be killed...for starters, they are being condemned, as well as cursed.

I can show you thousands of pieces of information about what happened in Iraq and Iran but that would get me labelled as a Wahabbi and the entire post will be dismissed altogether.

There isn't a huge difference. It is clear that you didn't address the fact that Sunni opinion is not taken in state affairs. Show me one Sunni MP. Even Israel has Palestinian MPs.

Show me ONE evidence of a Shi'a supporting Sunnis at the state level of if a Sunni can come on TV the way Zulfiqar Mirza and Abidi can.

Also, there is a strong belief that Sunnis have a higher population than what is reported. Do not try to tell me that Sunnis have any rights in Iran. Even people like Javed Akhtar use examples of how bad Ahmadis are in Pakistan and Sunnis in Iran to compare to India to prove how great India is.

The state in Pakistan has not turned a blind eye to what is going on in Pakistan. If they did then that would mean they are doing so for the entire security situation in Pakistan. They are incompetent and incapable. The situation in Iran, Iraq, South Lebanon and Syria is extremely the opposite where it is state funds and infrastructure being used.

Here's your HUGE difference. Thought you hit that one outta the park, didn't you?

Too bad you're myopic (near-sighted) and couldn't see me by the stands to catch what you threw at me (bad pun, but works for me)

There will be no war in Pakistan. They cannot tell us to pick them and you sure as hell aren't telling me to pick you.

You got my condemnation because that was the right thing to do. I wouldn't have cared had there been Sunnis dying or anyone because I am indifferent but I still went out of my way to condemn it because that's the right thing to do.

In other words, you can get my sympathies, but you sure as hell will not get me to kill anyone alongside you or glorify anyone's death or murder, you know why, because that's not the right thing to do.

Also, this will not be turning into a sectarian debate this time around as you would like by inciting me or others because that would directly play into your hands and create sectarian strife that I have a firm stance against.

P.S. The post was completely in your favor and was written to pacify you and create harmony. If this is how you treat those who are on your side...I don't even want to know the fate of those who choose to disagree with you in the slightest.

 

[Naveed Hasan]

شیعہ کمیونٹی کا قتل عام درست نہیں

جہاں تمام دہشتگرد تنظیموں کے خلاف سخت کروائی کی ضرورت ہے
چاہے سنی تنظیمیں ہوں یا شیعہ
وہیں ان تمام بنیادی وجوہات کو بھی ختم کیا جاۓ جن کو بنیاد بنا کر یہ تنظیمیں اپنے کارکنوں کو ورغلاتی ہیں

مثلا خمینی، ملا باقر مجلسی اور دیگر شیعہ علماء کی ان کتابوں کو فوری طور پر حکومتی سطح پر قابل ضبط قرار دیا جاۓ جن میں اصحاب رسول رضوان اللہ علیھم اجمعین اور امہات المومنین کے لئے انتہائی گستاخانہ اور غلیظ زبان استعمال کی گئی ہے
اور شیعہ کمیونٹی بھی اس معاملے میں تعاون کرے اور معاملے کی نزاکت کو سمجھے

سنی علماء اپنی اپنی مساجد میں لوگوں کو صبر و برداشت کی تلقین کریں اور اختلافی معاملات میں قانون کو ہاتھ میں لینا یا قتل و غارت گری کی مذمت کریں
اور لوگوں کی اصلاح و تربیت کریں

حکومت شیعہ سنی بھائی بھائی جیسے غیر منطقی نعروں پر اپنی توانائیاں خرچ کرنے کے بجاے عملی اقدامات کرے

سنی حضرات اپنی مقدس ہستیوں کو گالیاں دینے والوں کو بھائی کبھی نہیں سمجھ سکتے
ہاں باہمی بقا کی خاطر اور بنیادی انسانی تقاضوں کو سامنے رکھتے ہووے ایک دوسرے کو اختلاف کے باوجود برداشت کرنا لازم ہے اور قتل و غارت گری کسی طور پر قبول نہیں

جس طرح مختلف سیاسی جماتیں اپنی مخصوص پالیسیز کی وجہ سے ایک دوسرے کی مخالفت کرتی ہیں اسی طرح شیعہ سنی مسلہ بھی ہے
مگر
جس طرح ن لیگ پی پی پی کو
پی ٹی آئ ن لیگ کو اور پی پی پی کو اختلاف کے
باوجود برداشت کے ہووے ہے
تو شیعہ سنی بھی ایک دوسرے کو برداشت کر سکتے ہیں​